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  • qjuniorqjunior Member Posts: 2,023 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    So you'd restrict them from things that are already cross faction?

    How is giving them their own version of the time ships a restriction ??? :confused:
  • p2wsucksp2wsucks Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    suaveks wrote: »
    I've got no problem with doffs themselves, but rather with the fact that romulan doff system seems to be the exact same one of their allies.

    There are many good points in the commens as to why would anyone want to create FED/KDF character for purposes other than the story.

    Roms get FED/KDF toys, ships, system, missions, as well as their own. This may and probably will be fun, don't get me wrong, but when we'll look at the bigger picture there are some concerns as to whether they're really a faction, or just re-skinned FED/KDF with added bonuses.

    If Romulans from day 1 of their release get more or even the same amount of unique story missions as the KDF had the day before their release, and they have Unique Captains, Unique ships, Unique Boff/Doffs, special weapons etc, then wouldn't it be closer to a Faction +, rather than a sub faction? Granted they wouldn't have their own star bases, but seriously do you want to grind that?

    The access to allied gear is what would make them a faction plus potentionally and why people would gravitate toward Romulans over Feds/KDF. This part I'm concerned about more than anyother complaint I've come across.
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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    saedeith wrote: »
    Maybe I am missing something but where are you getting the 40 levels worth information from? From what I read, from the Cardassian series going forward will be the leveling path for the Romulans.

    I could have misread something.

    From a prior dev comment last week.

    That said, it would appear that Klingons and Romulans are getting the Fed Cardassian front ported over, possibly with some hidden extras buried into the maps that you have to explore to find.
  • daboholicdaboholic Member Posts: 265 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    originpi wrote: »
    Thats a great question!

    Yes it is, because if the Romulans are a "Faction" of their own then (Much like 2 Federation Captains or 2 KDF Captains can do now) Fed-allied Romulans and KDF-allied Romulans should be allowed to team up and play story missions together.

    After all they are both from the same "Faction" just with different allies.
  • umaekoumaeko Member Posts: 748 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    In my federation campaigns, I remember my character doing relief effort to independent Romulan colonies. I was pretty eager in helping out the destitute romulans rebuild, especially if it also meant finally having a chance to improve relations with them.

    Therefore, I'm pretty comfortable with the idea of my Romulan captain heavily interacting with the Federation and a specific Federation fleet if any.

    I don't care much for the idea of using Federation ships, but I can see how it'd make things easier for lockbox and such. Designing twovariants of an item is likely arduous enough, and saving oneself from having to do three makes sense. It's not really desirable, but I can understand the reason for it.

    Personally, I wouldn't use Fed ships with a romulan PC. I'd just switch to a fed character if I wanted to. The current arrangement doesn't stop me... though can't help but feel that if I wanted to get access to Fed or KDF toys, implementing a reputation system to curry their favor would be far more pleasing and consistent.

    It's too bad that we won't get Romulan starbases - there's already a few examples in-game... and I felt certain of the 'rightness' in implementing them as upgradeable fleet installations as well. That definitely would've been desirable in my eyes. Mol'Rihan and the general area is nice - I'm at least hoping we'll have a hub zone within the city itself to act as an ESD equivalent. Even access to the Vault for use by Romulans and Remans would've been cool (Memory Alpha equivalent?).

    * * *

    Basically, I'm happy with what it looks like we'll be getting... though I can't shake the impression that with a stronger push, the Romulan Republic couldn't have been better established. It's definitely a decision I hope Cryptic will be inclined to reverse basedon the metrics of the Romulan faction.
  • diogene0diogene0 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    What makes me sad is that the next faction after romulans could very well be another republic. I hate republics and good guys! Let me be mean.

    So, i'm waiting for the cardassian republic, fighting the obsidian order and the true way, the Borg republic, fighting the queen, the undine republic, fighting xenophobia and dancing in rivers of milk and honey, the dominion republic, fighting founders, the breen republic, fighting other breen for unknown reasons, and so on.
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  • captainrevo1captainrevo1 Member Posts: 3,948 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I'm not exactly a fan of letting Romulans fly fed or KDf ships, but at the same time its not something im that bothered about.

    it falls into the 'who cares what the next guy does'. if no one wants to fly one then no problem and if some people do want to fly them, then there is evidentially some interest but its not going to hamper others people's experience.

    we are going to be seeing fed and KDF ships flying around anyway. we are going to have to ally with fed or kdf so having a romulan fly one is not much more of a stretch.

    it more or less fits the story and it has precedent as romulans once shared their tech for klingon ships in the past.
  • drogyn1701drogyn1701 Member Posts: 3,606 Media Corps
    edited April 2013
    I am definitely excited for this update. However, I still haven't heard the answer to the most pressing question on my mind and I'll keep asking till I get an answer:

    What about the Foundry?

    I firmly believe that the Romulans need their own exclusive mission listing of missions created only for the Romulan faction. It does not make sense for Romulan captains to be picking missions from the Fed and KDF lists. There are thousands of missions there that are specifically written for those two factions. They do not fit Romulan captains. All we really need is just a third option in that drop-down menu to set the mission as Romulan only, just like we set them to be Fed or KDF only now.

    I really hope we can get an answer for this soon as a lot of us are very interested in getting to work on writing Romulan missions.
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  • captainmal3captainmal3 Member Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    originpi wrote: »
    Ships, races, uniforms, missions and a few items more than likely. Pretty much the same as the difference between factions now.

    Ok here's the thing: from what I understand so far, playing a romulan is not going to FEEL like playing a romulan.

    If I play as a FED, I get to fly around sirius and nearby sectors, occasionally Running an STF, defending my own factions starbase or clearing out the gorn minefield or defending starbase 24, among other things.

    If I play a klingon, I get to fly around omega leonis and nearby sectors, running pi canis sorties, occasionally running an STF and clearing out the FED minefield.

    If I play a romulan I get to either fly around sirius, defending my sworn enemy's starbases, running STFs and clearing minefields for my sworn enemies. Or, I can run around omega leonis, defending my other sworn enemy's starbases etc etc, I think you get the point. The fact that I happen to look like a romulan doesn't make me feel like one.
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    qjunior wrote: »
    How is giving them their own version of the time ships a restriction ??? :confused:

    I thought you were talking about winter coats, temporal jumpsuits, etc.
  • aelfwin1aelfwin1 Member Posts: 2,896 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    [dStahl]
    The Romulan Republic isn't about to start taking orders from other factions.

    Really ?
    They also ask for help in constructing and defend their Starbases on the war front

    Defend them from the opposing faction ... with whom they are also allied .

    So :
    a) they are becoming door mats to their 'allied faction' .
    b) they are likely to kill a lot of the other faction -- with who'm they have also have a pact .
    c) they are de-facto betraying their allies from the opposing faction .

    You know what , on Planet Yo-Yo , this might work !
    The have Bobo the Clown in charge over there and every time it seems that things get pushed too far , Bobo the Clown engages his very own 'temporal back step' device and the craziness just starts off from the beginning . :)
    Boy I sure am glad we won't live on that planet !
    Oh wait ... . :eek:
    The Federation wants to pursue reunification, peace, and trade in technology.

    Right .
    And in order to do that they are handing out WMD's (starships) to any and all who ask for them (be they a Tholleron weapon obsessed Reman , or your average Romulan with a chip on his shoulder) .
    Yep , sounds like the Federation I know . :rolleyes:
    Much like the Bajorans in the Deep Space 9 series, they've been labeled terrorists and are seeking the aid of other nations for protection.

    You and I must have seen a whole lotta different show then , 'cause I missed the part where the Federation armed the Bajorans with Galaxy Class starships and sent them off on their marry way for one more blood bath with the Cardassians .
  • sudoku7sudoku7 Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Hoping to see an explicit remark regarding the Liberated Borg. I am assuming it won't be an option at this point, but I would still like to see it.
  • p2wsucksp2wsucks Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    umaeko wrote: »
    In my federation campaigns, I remember my character doing relief effort to independent Romulan colonies. I was pretty eager in helping out the destitute romulans rebuild, especially if it also meant finally having a chance to improve relations with them.

    Therefore, I'm pretty comfortable with the idea of my Romulan captain heavily interacting with the Federation and a specific Federation fleet if any.

    I don't care much for the idea of using Federation ships, but I can see how it'd make things easier for lockbox and such. Designing twovariants of an item is likely arduous enough, and saving oneself from having to do three makes sense. It's not really desirable, but I can understand the reason for it.

    Personally, I wouldn't use Fed ships with a romulan PC. I'd just switch to a fed character if I wanted to. The current arrangement doesn't stop me... though can't help but feel that if I wanted to get access to Fed or KDF toys, implementing a reputation system to curry their favor would be far more pleasing and consistent.

    It's too bad that we won't get Romulan starbases - there's already a few examples in-game... and I felt certain of the 'rightness' in implementing them as upgradeable fleet installations as well. That definitely would've been desirable in my eyes. Mol'Rihan and the general area is nice - I'm at least hoping we'll have a hub zone within the city itself to act as an ESD equivalent. Even access to the Vault for use by Romulans and Remans would've been cool (Memory Alpha equivalent?).

    Is that the mission where you murdered a bunch of their Scientists? Not sure why any Romulan would want to ally w/Feds after that one. :P
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  • pwebranflakespwebranflakes Member Posts: 7,741
    edited April 2013
    sollvax wrote: »
    Are you yourself excited by the new Romulans (I am assuming you have seen them in action of course) and are you going to be Joining the RR?

    Honestly, I couldn't be more excited. I've played some of the content (saving as much as I can for the actual launch) and have had some of the most fun gaming I've ever had in my life. The team has done an incredible job with the Romulan Republic faction and I can not wait till you all get to roll your first Romulan. Prepare for your minds to be blown.

    Cheers,

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  • lostusthornlostusthorn Member Posts: 844
    edited April 2013
    3 Things,

    1) Will romulans get access to their allies uniform options?

    2) Liberate Borg Romulan, we want that.

    3) It is a massivlely unwise decision to allow Romulans to fly their allies ships in addition to their own. Whiel disallowing their allies at the same time not to fly romulan ships. This creates a imbalance and clearly favors the romulans to the point that playing other races makes no sense form a gameplay point.
    This is really really bad.
    Two options to correction this, allows the allies to fly romulan ships, not a good option since it pretty much reduces the faction identities even more.
    The correct and right course of action would be to disallow the use of their allies ships.
    You can not allow one faction such massiv advantage over the other factions. Either a faction stays with its own ships+lockbox, or all factions have access to all ships. Do not single out one faction to have access to everything and disallow this for the others.
  • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Yes; there are Romulan Warbirds available at every tier. More information about these ships will be posted in a Dev Blog in the very near future.

    Cheers,

    Brandon =/\=

    Tomorrow? :)
    I'm not exactly a fan of letting Romulans fly fed or KDf ships, but at the same time its not something im that bothered about.

    it falls into the 'who cares what the next guy does'. if no one wants to fly one then no problem and if some people do want to fly them, then there is evidentially some interest but its not going to hamper others people's experience.

    we are going to be seeing fed and KDF ships flying around anyway. we are going to have to ally with fed or kdf so having a romulan fly one is not much more of a stretch.

    it more or less fits the story and it has precedent as romulans once shared their tech for klingon ships in the past.

    This is my opinion as well. I'd rather there was no ship sharing, but I think it's too late for them to go back on it by now. And it's not that big of a deal anyway.
    drogyn1701 wrote: »
    I am definitely excited for this update. However, I still haven't heard the answer to the most pressing question on my mind and I'll keep asking till I get an answer:

    What about the Foundry?

    I firmly believe that the Romulans need their own exclusive mission listing of missions created only for the Romulan faction. It does not make sense for Romulan captains to be picking missions from the Fed and KDF lists. There are thousands of missions there that are specifically written for those two factions. They do not fit Romulan captains. All we really need is just a third option in that drop-down menu to set the mission as Romulan only, just like we set them to be Fed or KDF only now.

    I really hope we can get an answer for this soon as a lot of us are very interested in getting to work on writing Romulan missions.

    I want an answer too!
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  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    p2wsucks wrote: »
    Is that the mission where you murdered a bunch of their Scientists? Not sure why any Romulan would want to ally w/Feds after that one. :P

    Well some Romulan Scientists might "Ah the Federation Captain who killed my immediate superior , Let me buy you a drink and an orion slave girl"
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  • kirksplatkirksplat Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    aelfwin1 wrote: »



    You and I must have seen a whole different show then , 'cause I mussed the part where the Federation armed the Bajorans with Galaxy Class starships .

    I don't remember that episode either.
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  • pwebranflakespwebranflakes Member Posts: 7,741
    edited April 2013
    Tomorrow? :)

    Maybe :D

    Cheers,

    Brandon =/\=
  • qjuniorqjunior Member Posts: 2,023 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I thought you were talking about winter coats, temporal jumpsuits, etc.

    Okay, I think they should have access to all cross-faction stuff. But the faction-flavored stuff should come in a Romulan version too. :)
  • lostusthornlostusthorn Member Posts: 844
    edited April 2013
    saedeith wrote: »
    It sounds like the Romulans will be getting 1 or 2 unique episode series and then it is back to doing the shared series. Disappointing.:(
    Honestly, I couldn't be more excited. I've played some of the content (saving as much as I can for the actual launch) and have had some of the most fun gaming I've ever had in my life. The team has done an incredible job with the Romulan Republic faction and I can not wait till you all get to roll your first Romulan. Prepare for your minds to be blown.

    Cheers,

    Brandon =/\=

    Well, unless you guys can't top the writing and questing in The Secret Word, i doubt my mind will be blown.
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Honestly, I couldn't be more excited. I've played some of the content (saving as much as I can for the actual launch) and have had some of the most fun gaming I've ever had in my life. The team has done an incredible job with the Romulan Republic faction and I can not wait till you all get to roll your first Romulan. Prepare for your minds to be blown.

    Cheers,

    Brandon =/\=

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  • tuskin67tuskin67 Member Posts: 1,097 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    walshicus wrote: »
    Sorry Dan, we don't *want* the "advantage" of being able to fly Fed ships as Romulans. If we wanted that we'd play our Fed captains. Please, please please please get rid of this "feature" before it's too late and the faction is ruined for good.


    Visual identity is important. If half of all Romulan characters are in Flavour of the Week C-store Fed/KDF ships, why even bother making a Romulan faction in the first place. By all means make the consoles from C-store ships available cross-faction... But I really don't know how the idea of smudging faction boundaries by allowing ships from one to the other came about, because nobody asked for it... :(

    This I agree with 110%
  • zeratkzeratk Member Posts: 409
    edited April 2013
    Have their been more than one Captain on a FED-Ship from the bajoran military?
    No!
    Have their been FED ships with full bajoran military crews?
    No!
    So this is not an argument [dstahl]! There will be FED-Ships with a full romulan/reman crew, which is nothing else than an technology sellout! FED is sharing military technology! Are you serious? :mad:

    Furthermore you threatend us with romulan lockboxes last week. You said there will be romulan ships for FED- and KDF-Captains, so the following has to be a lie:
    To clarify, this alliance does not extend in reverse. FED and KDF captains will not be allowed to command Warbirds. The deal that D?Tan makes with these factions when New Romulus is established is for Romulan technology (via the Reputation System) but that doesn?t extend to Republic ships.

    Or you changed your mind, which would be much better.
    This is Crypticverse... :mad:
  • hatepwehatepwe Member Posts: 252 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Any word on Liberated Borg Romulans/Remans?
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  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    zeratk wrote: »
    Have their been more than one Captain on a FED-Ship from the bajoran military?
    No!
    Have their been FED ships with full bajoran military crews?
    No!
    So this is not an argument [dstahl]! There will be FED-Ships with a full romulan/reman crew, which is nothing else than an technology sellout! FED is sharing military technology! Are you serious? :mad:

    Furthermore you threatend us with romulan lockboxes last week. You said there will be romulan ships for FED- and KDF-Captains, so the following has to be a lie:


    Or you changed your mind, which would be much better.

    Actually yes
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  • p2wsucksp2wsucks Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    sollvax wrote: »
    Well some Romulan Scientists might "Ah the Federation Captain who killed my immediate superior , Let me buy you a drink and an orion slave girl"

    Yeah, those would be the Undine you could've tested for if you hadn't wiped all their Scientists out.:P
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  • wast33wast33 Member Posts: 1,855 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    QUOTE
    [Terilynn] Can you clarify how ships will be able to be used? Will Federation/KDF players be able to fly Romulan vessels? Will Romulan players be able to fly KDF or Starfleet ships?

    [dStahl] This is where Romulan Republic captains have an advantage. Not only can they pilot their exclusive Warbird class ships with singularity cores, but they also gain the ability to command ships of their ally, much like Kira Nerys would command the Defiant while still wearing her Bajoran Militia uniform.

    Romulans also gain access to the Fleet Ships of their chosen ally as well as any Romulan Republic only Fleet ships. They can also fly any limited edition lock box ship as well.

    One potential disadvantage to commanding an allies' ship is that Romulan Captains have a unique species space trait called subterfuge which provides a bonus to cloak and decloak ambush damage. If a Romulan is flying a ship without cloak, they are not getting the most out of their trait.

    To clarify, this alliance does not extend in reverse. FED and KDF captains will not be allowed to command Warbirds. The deal that D?Tan makes with these factions when New Romulus is established is for Romulan technology (via the Reputation System) but that doesn?t extend to Republic ships.


    ...reading this makes me feel sick! PLZ step back from giving overall ship-access to rommies, this is just incredible...*fill in ungentle word*...
    why anyone ever should play anything else than a rommie??? what about diversity and balance??? flatening everything to equal (in an unequal way ^^), guess that deserves some form of respect (may anyone can take that point of view ;D).
    PLZZZZ really rethink this deeeeeply!!! thx.
  • mikeflmikefl Member Posts: 861 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I know we will start out in our ancient TOS Warbird-of-Prey, or I expect this to be the case.

    Will we have Romulan Warbirds for all levels as we level up so we may stay in Romulan only ships or is this where the "sharing" of KDF or FED ships comes into play?

    I would rather not have any outside faction ships for the Romulans, but I would not stand in the way of others who may want that. I just would like to make sure that I can play Romulan only ships all the way up to max without having to fly a Fed or KDF ship if I do not want to.

    -Seacat

    Agreed. I like that its an individual players decision for once. Who really is going to fly a ship they have been flying for months anyways. I can see where you might want to take a rommie on a fleet defiant for the added cloak ability but is it worth sacrificing other traits? We don't even know the rommie ship specs yet...

    Why does everyone obsess with how other people want to enjoy their gaming experience... live and let live. The story in STO is what STO makes it to be whether or not anyone agrees with it. You don't have to like it and you don't have to play it. You can move on to a whole different game. I have had my differences in decisions they have made and made my thoughts known but once I have done that enough said... continuing to whine incessantly on the forums just makes you look like a grown baby. It doesn't change the fact that you are playing the story that STO chooses to create for you for better or worse. Stories evolve and times change and since this is the only trek in this time line they decide what is canon and what is not when they write STO's future. CBS provides its blessing and life goes on.
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  • johnny111971johnny111971 Member Posts: 1,300 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    sollvax wrote: »
    Actually yes
    The Federation supplied Bajor with Runabouts

    The romulans can have as many Fed Runabouts as they need... no complaint... Defiant? Vesta? Galaxy? Oddessy? Completely different animal.

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