I think you should change "we" in the above quote you "you". It's an OPTION - if YOU (as a Romulan character) don't want to fly a Fed/KDF ship YOU don't have to. Don't go imposing your view on everyone else.
There is a large majority of player saying this option is silly/should'nt exist at all. It makes sense from a buisness standpoint, because it allows cryptic not to make many romulan vessels and say players that they can use fed or kdf ships for more variety, but it's not really acceptable story-wise.
The visual identity matters. Romulan players will want to see they're a part of a Romulan community, like KDF players like seeing KDF ships, and can occasionally interact with them (sending a raiding party is the first example i can see). If all you see in a year is Romulans flying the UberOP class federation escortscitank vessel, because it's by far the best ship in game and because cryptic didn't bother to update the shipyard (see the KDF shipyards and compare it to recent fed additions such as the vesta, the armittage, the andorian escort, and so on), then there will be no community at all. And no Romulan faction either, no matter what cryptic says.
Live and let live is a valid principle, as long as you don't apply it to critical stuff. A community is critical in a MMO. This is why keeping a visual identity so that players don't end up flying the best available ships as they tend to do is critical someone wants a Romulan faction to survive more than 6 months. It will force cryptic to update the shipyard, even if they are extremely reluctant to do so, because players will be lobbying for it, like kdf players do, even if they don't get anything, but at least romulans will mostly fly romulan ships and keep their faction consistent.
...i don't like that the Romulans will just get shoehorned into FED/KDF DOffing, i want them to have their own FULL set of DOffs, Assignments and Chains.
Is this really true? Will I be a Romulan assigning my Fed doffs to conduct a Mozart performance in Ten Forward?
So, because there's not going to be enough unique Romulan content (read: ships, starbases) for a solo faction, we're going to use someone elses. Pretty lame, but I imagine with Cryptic that's the best we're going to get until they finish the faction down the road. (Just like KDF)
Note that the same story could easily be told without requiring access to Fed/KDF ships, let's not pretend that this decision was anything other than rounding out the variety of available ships to the Romulans. It makes sense if they're not going to create a full variety of ships for Romulans by themselves.
We're still left with some lingering but important questions:
How do we avoid Romulan players on opposite ally's feeling disconnected from each other?
Are we to assume Romulans get the boffs/doffs of their ally as well?
How do you stop the Romulans from feeling like they're still Refugees dependent on ally's aid at endgame (after the story)?
How do you reconcile the supposed want to avoid Rom players from having to spend resources on starbases, when that's the only way to get Fleet Credits to buy fleet stuff?
If you intend to have Romulan Starbases in the future, what happens to all the Romulans that are stuck in Fed/KDF fleets?
We honestly need more information. Dribbling it out bit by bit so you can make news items out of it is insufficient. Please give us all the information, and not select pieces.
Originally Posted by pwebranflakes View Post
Honestly, I couldn't be more excited. I've played some of the content (saving as much as I can for the actual launch) and have had some of the most fun gaming I've ever had in my life. The team has done an incredible job with the Romulan Republic faction and I can not wait till you all get to roll your first Romulan. Prepare for your minds to be blown.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
If you think anyone is naive enough to take anything you said here seriously you need to re-evaluate what you say to people. Statements like 'some of the most fun gaming i've ever had in my life...' and 'prepare for your minds to be blown' reek of propaganda and spinning. We know what shape this game is in. The next update isn't going to be blowing anyones minds and we all know that. This is why people don't believe claims from members of cryptic anymore. Because of absurd claims. Just like this one
I think you should change "we" in the above quote you "you". It's an OPTION - if YOU (as a Romulan character) don't want to fly a Fed/KDF ship YOU don't have to. Don't go imposing your view on everyone else.
Then take your own advice, you speak for nobody but yourself too. an option doesn't mean its a good option or that it should exist
Since when is having the devs give people MORE options a bad thing?
just because its an option doesn't mean its a good one.
But you know what? The romulan stuff doesn't concern me nearly as much as one other detail that seems to have been overlooked in this interview. What is that you ask? The fact that this interview involves a person who not very long ago was in hot water over making mass insults, in public, against most of the community in her massively blog, the same incident that got a certain dev in trouble for making statements that agreed with it and insulted many customers. Something he got a talking to for. The fact that it happened at all says alot about what cryptic really thinks of their customers. The fact that they now give this information out to such a person, at the same place that person committed said incident, speaks volumes about how they actually feel about that situation and about us. Frankly its more than offensive. I can't imagine any situation in which a company that respects its customers would ever be doing such interviews, nor associating directly in such a way, with a person who did such a thing, especially when a dev was involved the last time.
Such behavior is unacceptable, and so is doing anything to support, in any way, people who behave in that way. that is common sense. That says far too much about what cryptic really thinks of us
Loudly complaining on a gaming forum does not a majority make, pus its kind of canon any way.
Criticism of a bad thing is not 'complaining' accusing people of that is nothing more than an attempt to belittle them and shut them up. It is ignorant and offensive. That aside it IS the majority and no it isn't canon 'in a way'
It's not "spin." It's the story STO chose to write...
Sorry Dan, we don't *want* the "advantage" of being able to fly Fed ships as Romulans. If we wanted that we'd play our Fed captains. Please, please please please get rid of this "feature" before it's too late and the faction is ruined for good.
After Dastahl had explained the process in-depth, I am now looking forward to this upgrade. I hope I can use my Armitage as a Romulan. It was a great purchase. I love the ship to death.
I wholly agree. The spin isn't fooling anyone. :mad:
It's not "spin." It's the story STO chose to write... It's the story you're going to play if you keep playing the game. He isn't fooling anyone, he IS telling everyone how it is. STO writes the story and you decide whether to play said story. They aren't trying to please everyone and it's not possible anyways. What they are doing is giving you a choice on what to fly or not to fly and what to play or not to play. Everything he said is the truth and he gave you his rationale for it. You don't have to agree with his rationale but they are the ones writing the content and so they are the only ones who know why. If you don't like it don't play it. It doesn't get any simpler than that.
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You know the funny thing about that episode is that during one of the brain washing sessions they had Laforge kill O'brien who later went on to be DS9's resident butt monkey that they did horrible TRIBBLE to.
Also, interesting that these questions come from Terilynn Shill shortly after she makes a news item on the Massively site claiming her subjective numbers suggest anyone unhappy with the Romulan news is just a troll.
I do hope Cryptic isn't playing favourites with the journalists.
Yes; there are Romulan Warbirds available at every tier. More information about these ships will be posted in a Dev Blog in the very near future.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
Would be cool for like doff crafting if you could take a kar'fi cloak and maybe a romulan phase cloak prototype and doff craft those together for something cool to use (Could help KDF if they had a lot of perks of Romulan toons joining the KDF like that.)
Also, interesting that these questions come from Terilynn Shill shortly after she makes a news item on the Massively site claiming her subjective numbers suggest anyone unhappy with the Romulan news is just a troll.
I do hope Cryptic isn't playing favourites with the journalists.
actually her article reported that we have really loud people who seem to be the majority but are not.
so the newly formed romulan republic is at odds with empress sela that the known leader of the rse. all be it she's mia. sounds like an internal affair, civil war it even could be. either way that is not a situation the federation would get involved with. as they don't get involved with governments internal affairs. they wouldn't arm any one outside the ufp. they might protect them, aid them but not arm them.
your comparison with bajor in ds9 is bad. very bad. because they are totally different. the bajoran resistance cells was labelled as terrorists by the cardassians because they was fighting against the carddassian occupation (outside force) which turned the bajorans into slaves in the labour camps, ore processing. it's not even close in any way to being compared to the romulans and remans situation.
other than kira when did you see anyone in command of anything regarding a federation star ship? even worf could pull rank on the defiant. worf made that point in 1 episode that. apocalypse rising.......
KIRA: I'm glad the two of you are in agreement. But with the Captain gone, I am in charge of the station and I say we stay.
WORF: You may be in charge of the station, Major, but I command the Defiant.
she may have been in command of the defiant some times but it rarely happened. also when she hailed some one it was ... this is major kira nerys of the FEDERATION starship, defiant. it was never of the bajoran milita. so this 1 off arrangement is the example given for why the federation will give fleets of Starfleet vessels to romulans?? don't make me laugh. it's bad. lol it's actually the worse thing in the entire expansion this cross faction ship usage.
also d'tan is longing for reunification... while dividing his own people more? that's pretty weird. you can see why the tal shair have been watching him lol
glad to hear romulans/remans get their own doffs and some of their own doff mission.
the new kdf content although some maybe be reworked fed missions. the new unique stuff dose sound very promising.
btw looking forward to trait and the new ui. so far from what I've seen even in the early stages it was looking promising
while I have been pretty negative with comments regarding many things about being aligned and story around that, no 3 way pvp, lack of starbases. I do try to be constructive with my criticism rather than just rage posting. it's not personal.
no 1 can deny that the team is working hard. I think the recent picture of the wardbird art work just shows the quality of some of the work being added. it was simply amazing.
Maybe I am missing something but where are you getting the 40 levels worth information from? From what I read, from the Cardassian series going forward will be the leveling path for the Romulans.
I could have misread something.
The way I look at it is this. The Federation as of right now has 48 unique missions that it doesn't have to share with anyone. I imagine there's going to be at least half of that devoted to the Romulans.
I appreciate all of the work put into this expansion, May will be great. Just one thing Cryptic, please consider removing the Romulan ability to fly Starfleet and KDF ships. I could see the factions sharing technology, but the Klingons would never share their ships with the Romulans and Starfleet Intelligence would be very strongly opposed to sharing their latest technology with a race known for their deception. Having Starfleet/KDF ships on the Romulan side would also break the immersion to a degree.
There is the fact that D'Tan's Romulans are trying to get away from all the deception. On New Romulus and around Tau Dewa, anytime you fight Romulans now, they are the Tal'Shiar, who have been a threat for a long time. The federation is simply trying to help a group that they see as another ally who needs their help.
so the newly formed romulan republic is at odds with empress sela that the known leader of the rse. all be it she mia. sounds like an internal affair, civil war it even could be. either way that is not a situation the federation would get involved with. as they don't get involved with governments internal affairs.
It seems that the justification is that Starfleet has evidence that the Tholians are pulling the strings, therefore it's no longer an internal affair.
I'm not sure if that passes the smell test of the Prime Directive. Regardless, most of my first contacts with every species in the Galaxy involves firing phasers before even talking to them.
If you think anyone is naive enough to take anything you said here seriously you need to re-evaluate what you say to people. Statements like 'some of the most fun gaming i've ever had in my life...' and 'prepare for your minds to be blown' reek of propaganda and spinning. We know what shape this game is in. The next update isn't going to be blowing anyones minds and we all know that. This is why people don't believe claims from members of cryptic anymore. Because of absurd claims. Just like this one
I will attest to branflakes love for this game and I believe what he said. I am a member of the fleet he was part of and he has always been a dedicated player and resource for the players and the fleet. He helped build one the largest and oldest fleets in the game. Long before he had a job as a podcaster and at Cryptic he learned this game inside and out. He helped me as well as many others run the STFs back when they took hour+ to complete and helped many of us learn the best builds and best way to handle the Crystalline Entity. If there is any one person at Cryptic who knows this game as well as any other player, it's Brandon. So when Brandon says this update is epic (and I hate the abuse of that word on everything gaming), I believe him. So give the guy credit for doing his job and yet being honest with everyone as well... that's a rare find in any workplace these days.
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Alright, You got me convinced, Romulans are NOT a faction. Can you tell us, in the next dev blog, something new, something useful? Can you stop trying to convince us that white is black and black is white?
[SIGPIC]Join Date: August 2009[/SIGPIC] I live in an alternate universe, where j.j. abrams and cryptic never existed,
where R.S.E. is what it always should be.
actually her article reported that we have really loud people who seem to be the majority but are not.
Using rather subjective methods to turn opinions into numbers and then make conclusions predicated on their supposed accuracy, possibly to fit into her previous rants against the STO community. A flawed premise at best.
I will attest to branflakes love for this game and I believe what he said. I am a member of the fleet he was part of and he has always been a dedicated player and resource for the players and the fleet. He helped build one the largest and oldest fleets in the game. Long before he had a job as a podcaster and at Cryptic he learned this game inside and out. He helped me as well as many others run the STFs back when they took hour+ to complete and helped many of us learn the best builds and best way to handle the Crystalline Entity. If there is any one person at Cryptic who knows this game as well as any other player, it's Brandon. So when Brandon says this update is epic (and I hate the abuse of that word on everything gaming), I believe him. So give the guy credit for doing his job and yet being honest with everyone as well... that's a rare find in any workplace these days.
There's a difference between believing what you say is true, and what you say being factually true. One of my smell tests for games these days is "How many adjectives and platitudes have the developers used to sell me on this?" If the answer is "more than a few," you have reason to be wary.
Sounds like we are going to play an inverted Worf. When he was on the Enterprise, Worf was torn between the Federation and Klingon Empire. Once Worf made his way to Deep Space Nine, he once again had to choose between his alliances. Worf's story ended with him killing Gowron, and then he became a Federation diplomat for the Klingons.
Legacy of the Romulans will setup some really nice roleplaying options.
I will attest to branflakes love for this game and I believe what he said. I am a member of the fleet he was part of and he has always been a dedicated player and resource for the players and the fleet. He helped build one the largest and oldest fleets in the game. Long before he had a job as a podcaster and at Cryptic he learned this game inside and out. He helped me as well as many others run the STFs back when they took hour+ to complete and helped many of us learn the best builds and best way to handle the Crystalline Entity. If there is any one person at Cryptic who knows this game as well as any other player, it's Brandon. So when Brandon says this update is epic (and I hate the abuse of that word on everything gaming), I believe him. So give the guy credit for doing his job and yet being honest with everyone as well... that's a rare find in any workplace these days.
Seconded....
I do want to also add, while I disagree with Ship Sharing in general. I do feel that the development team, and everyone involved is trying very hard to provide a game that we all enjoy. Within this very thread, you have people from both sides of the fence (yes, allow sharing, no don't), still others that want some sort of conversion tool to convert their Fed Base to a Rom Base when that comes up... This does help to illustrate the enormity of the task, and challenges they face.
Looks good to me. At first I didn't like that Roms were going to be able to fly Fed and KDF ships but...in the end what do I care what others fly? We already have Feds and Klingons flying around in other faction's ships anyway. I fly Fed ships on my Fed, KDF ships on my Klingon, and I'll fly Romulan ships on my Romulan. Y'all can fly whatever you want.
Any information you can share about how captain traits will change / be expanded? Seems as though the newly minted Romulan will have a leg up on any established character by being able to use both exclusve ships and ally ships... any chance through the trait system or some other means we could port established characters over to Romulan side... as an alien perhaps?
The Federation as of right now has 48 unique missions that it doesn't have to share with anyone.
I wish they would just take out 15 Fed missions and rewrite them for Romulan factions. It's not like most Fed captains play the official missions when they get to VA after completing the Romulan front.
I know that I haven't been to the Bajoran fire caves since my first toon.
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Yeah, becuase Romulans never ever used Klingons ships ever...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWTKh0WXgrg
There is a large majority of player saying this option is silly/should'nt exist at all. It makes sense from a buisness standpoint, because it allows cryptic not to make many romulan vessels and say players that they can use fed or kdf ships for more variety, but it's not really acceptable story-wise.
The visual identity matters. Romulan players will want to see they're a part of a Romulan community, like KDF players like seeing KDF ships, and can occasionally interact with them (sending a raiding party is the first example i can see). If all you see in a year is Romulans flying the UberOP class federation escortscitank vessel, because it's by far the best ship in game and because cryptic didn't bother to update the shipyard (see the KDF shipyards and compare it to recent fed additions such as the vesta, the armittage, the andorian escort, and so on), then there will be no community at all. And no Romulan faction either, no matter what cryptic says.
Live and let live is a valid principle, as long as you don't apply it to critical stuff. A community is critical in a MMO. This is why keeping a visual identity so that players don't end up flying the best available ships as they tend to do is critical someone wants a Romulan faction to survive more than 6 months. It will force cryptic to update the shipyard, even if they are extremely reluctant to do so, because players will be lobbying for it, like kdf players do, even if they don't get anything, but at least romulans will mostly fly romulan ships and keep their faction consistent.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
Mostly its what ever xp category is specific to that faction ie diplomacy for fed or marauding for klinks.
I wonder what Romulans will get.
Is this really true? Will I be a Romulan assigning my Fed doffs to conduct a Mozart performance in Ten Forward?
Tie blind man up to chair and brainwash.
Loudly complaining on a gaming forum does not a majority make, pus its kind of canon any way.
My character Tsin'xing
Note that the same story could easily be told without requiring access to Fed/KDF ships, let's not pretend that this decision was anything other than rounding out the variety of available ships to the Romulans. It makes sense if they're not going to create a full variety of ships for Romulans by themselves.
We're still left with some lingering but important questions:
How do we avoid Romulan players on opposite ally's feeling disconnected from each other?
Are we to assume Romulans get the boffs/doffs of their ally as well?
How do you stop the Romulans from feeling like they're still Refugees dependent on ally's aid at endgame (after the story)?
How do you reconcile the supposed want to avoid Rom players from having to spend resources on starbases, when that's the only way to get Fleet Credits to buy fleet stuff?
If you intend to have Romulan Starbases in the future, what happens to all the Romulans that are stuck in Fed/KDF fleets?
We honestly need more information. Dribbling it out bit by bit so you can make news items out of it is insufficient. Please give us all the information, and not select pieces.
If you think anyone is naive enough to take anything you said here seriously you need to re-evaluate what you say to people. Statements like 'some of the most fun gaming i've ever had in my life...' and 'prepare for your minds to be blown' reek of propaganda and spinning. We know what shape this game is in. The next update isn't going to be blowing anyones minds and we all know that. This is why people don't believe claims from members of cryptic anymore. Because of absurd claims. Just like this one
Then take your own advice, you speak for nobody but yourself too. an option doesn't mean its a good option or that it should exist
just because its an option doesn't mean its a good one.
But you know what? The romulan stuff doesn't concern me nearly as much as one other detail that seems to have been overlooked in this interview. What is that you ask? The fact that this interview involves a person who not very long ago was in hot water over making mass insults, in public, against most of the community in her massively blog, the same incident that got a certain dev in trouble for making statements that agreed with it and insulted many customers. Something he got a talking to for. The fact that it happened at all says alot about what cryptic really thinks of their customers. The fact that they now give this information out to such a person, at the same place that person committed said incident, speaks volumes about how they actually feel about that situation and about us. Frankly its more than offensive. I can't imagine any situation in which a company that respects its customers would ever be doing such interviews, nor associating directly in such a way, with a person who did such a thing, especially when a dev was involved the last time.
Such behavior is unacceptable, and so is doing anything to support, in any way, people who behave in that way. that is common sense. That says far too much about what cryptic really thinks of us
Criticism of a bad thing is not 'complaining' accusing people of that is nothing more than an attempt to belittle them and shut them up. It is ignorant and offensive. That aside it IS the majority and no it isn't canon 'in a way'
No, its spin
It's not "spin." It's the story STO chose to write... It's the story you're going to play if you keep playing the game. He isn't fooling anyone, he IS telling everyone how it is. STO writes the story and you decide whether to play said story. They aren't trying to please everyone and it's not possible anyways. What they are doing is giving you a choice on what to fly or not to fly and what to play or not to play. Everything he said is the truth and he gave you his rationale for it. You don't have to agree with his rationale but they are the ones writing the content and so they are the only ones who know why. If you don't like it don't play it. It doesn't get any simpler than that.
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You know the funny thing about that episode is that during one of the brain washing sessions they had Laforge kill O'brien who later went on to be DS9's resident butt monkey that they did horrible TRIBBLE to.
I do hope Cryptic isn't playing favourites with the journalists.
Would be cool for like doff crafting if you could take a kar'fi cloak and maybe a romulan phase cloak prototype and doff craft those together for something cool to use
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actually her article reported that we have really loud people who seem to be the majority but are not.
your comparison with bajor in ds9 is bad. very bad. because they are totally different. the bajoran resistance cells was labelled as terrorists by the cardassians because they was fighting against the carddassian occupation (outside force) which turned the bajorans into slaves in the labour camps, ore processing. it's not even close in any way to being compared to the romulans and remans situation.
other than kira when did you see anyone in command of anything regarding a federation star ship? even worf could pull rank on the defiant. worf made that point in 1 episode that. apocalypse rising.......
KIRA: I'm glad the two of you are in agreement. But with the Captain gone, I am in charge of the station and I say we stay.
WORF: You may be in charge of the station, Major, but I command the Defiant.
she may have been in command of the defiant some times but it rarely happened. also when she hailed some one it was ... this is major kira nerys of the FEDERATION starship, defiant. it was never of the bajoran milita. so this 1 off arrangement is the example given for why the federation will give fleets of Starfleet vessels to romulans?? don't make me laugh. it's bad. lol it's actually the worse thing in the entire expansion this cross faction ship usage.
also d'tan is longing for reunification... while dividing his own people more? that's pretty weird. you can see why the tal shair have been watching him lol
glad to hear romulans/remans get their own doffs and some of their own doff mission.
the new kdf content although some maybe be reworked fed missions. the new unique stuff dose sound very promising.
btw looking forward to trait and the new ui. so far from what I've seen even in the early stages it was looking promising
while I have been pretty negative with comments regarding many things about being aligned and story around that, no 3 way pvp, lack of starbases. I do try to be constructive with my criticism rather than just rage posting. it's not personal.
no 1 can deny that the team is working hard. I think the recent picture of the wardbird art work just shows the quality of some of the work being added. it was simply amazing.
BLUE
RED
GREEN
and give everyone the opportunity to use everything! :mad:
The way I look at it is this. The Federation as of right now has 48 unique missions that it doesn't have to share with anyone. I imagine there's going to be at least half of that devoted to the Romulans.
There is the fact that D'Tan's Romulans are trying to get away from all the deception. On New Romulus and around Tau Dewa, anytime you fight Romulans now, they are the Tal'Shiar, who have been a threat for a long time. The federation is simply trying to help a group that they see as another ally who needs their help.
It seems that the justification is that Starfleet has evidence that the Tholians are pulling the strings, therefore it's no longer an internal affair.
I'm not sure if that passes the smell test of the Prime Directive. Regardless, most of my first contacts with every species in the Galaxy involves firing phasers before even talking to them.
I will attest to branflakes love for this game and I believe what he said. I am a member of the fleet he was part of and he has always been a dedicated player and resource for the players and the fleet. He helped build one the largest and oldest fleets in the game. Long before he had a job as a podcaster and at Cryptic he learned this game inside and out. He helped me as well as many others run the STFs back when they took hour+ to complete and helped many of us learn the best builds and best way to handle the Crystalline Entity. If there is any one person at Cryptic who knows this game as well as any other player, it's Brandon. So when Brandon says this update is epic (and I hate the abuse of that word on everything gaming), I believe him. So give the guy credit for doing his job and yet being honest with everyone as well... that's a rare find in any workplace these days.
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I live in an alternate universe, where j.j. abrams and cryptic never existed,
where R.S.E. is what it always should be.
Using rather subjective methods to turn opinions into numbers and then make conclusions predicated on their supposed accuracy, possibly to fit into her previous rants against the STO community. A flawed premise at best.
There's a difference between believing what you say is true, and what you say being factually true. One of my smell tests for games these days is "How many adjectives and platitudes have the developers used to sell me on this?" If the answer is "more than a few," you have reason to be wary.
Still, I'm excited for this update.
Legacy of the Romulans will setup some really nice roleplaying options.
I am won over.
Seconded....
I do want to also add, while I disagree with Ship Sharing in general. I do feel that the development team, and everyone involved is trying very hard to provide a game that we all enjoy. Within this very thread, you have people from both sides of the fence (yes, allow sharing, no don't), still others that want some sort of conversion tool to convert their Fed Base to a Rom Base when that comes up... This does help to illustrate the enormity of the task, and challenges they face.
Now.. that being said... still... No Ship Sharing
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I wish they would just take out 15 Fed missions and rewrite them for Romulan factions. It's not like most Fed captains play the official missions when they get to VA after completing the Romulan front.
I know that I haven't been to the Bajoran fire caves since my first toon.