I don't remember many people doing that beyond brainstorming different system. The topic of FMs was never a "crusade," like it's being presented.
The simple issue for me is that I spent well over 100 hours crafting my stories. Before the IOR there were clickies, yes, but they did not dominate the lists. With the introduction of the IOR, the list of "top-rated" got absolutely flooded with "Farm Lootz 101."
These are missions primarily designed to give players the most stuffz for the least amount of work, because that is how the IOR treated Foundry in general:
"Hey player, do you want 960 dil +50 for playing a 15 minute grinder that was slapped together in 35 minutes? Or, do you want the same reward for a mission that was a labor of love by a Star Trek fan who is trying to tell their own story in a fictional universe that they love?"
If there was any kind of unified crusade, it was collective anger that all of our stories were getting drowned out by missions that didn't even try to tell a story. They were either exploits or missions where players go afk. Or, they are specifically designed to farm loot.
That they were so popular is a no brainer when all of you have endless buckets to fill.
Taking away FMs was not advocated very often, that I recall. The two most popular ideas were A. Rewards that scale with time; and B. UI that lets us sort between grinder stuff and actual story missions.
The biggest problem is that players like myself who rarely did the farming missions are now having to suffer for what other people did. Sure, for a time I farmed. Even made a video on it, but that changed when I discovered some of the really amazing ground missions. I love ground so much that I stopped farming space missions and went strictly ground where the value of the drops is significantly less. I didn't care that i walked out with a handful of hypos, shield charges, and maybe a couple of mostly worthless greens. I was having fun and the dil and FMs reward I felt made up for the lack of drops I was getting. So yes, there are people like me that were doing the missions the way that Cryptic wanted us to do them. I didn't AFK and let my BOffs kill stuff. I stuck around and positioned my people, then started the mission and battled my way through it, the right way. Now I am no longer rewarded with what was the most valuable thing to me. FMs.
It's kinda like being back in 1st grade and because that one kid who never listens acted up, now we all have to suffer the consequences and not get any candy.
No, I am not who you think I am. I am someone different. I am instead a banana.
So, if i get this right, we lost our fleetmarks because a bunch of dramaqueens threw a hissyfit because their foundry missions didn't rule the scoreboard?
And now that you got what you asked for, taking away any incentive to do those 3v1l quick foundry missions, you're saying "It wasn't us" and actually expect us to buy into that??:rolleyes:
Lost and Delirious... and Disenchanted too Apparently some forum posters have diplomatic immunity nowadays, where can I get mine?
Prior to the removal of the '1-Click Console' missions (back on 12/13/12 I believe); using that version of IOR netted players 50 FM for playing 3 Foundry missions once every 20 hours. All during that time Fleets were progressing and players weren't all up in arms over the situation.
My Question: Why was everyone okay (and in many ways content) with getting only 50 FM once every 20 hours (which works out to 2.5 FM an hour overall) -- yet now, all of a sudden it's pandemonium because for about 2 months they allowed players to grind 50 FM every 20 minutes or so?
Also, why is everyone thinking that somehow a few Foundry authors caused this change?
If you look at recent events (and changes like this done in the past) -- it's clear:
1) Cryptic datamines A LOT of data in the game (Just look at the third anniversary info graphic, as well as other in game statistics Cryptic has posted or discussed over the life of STO.)
2) Do you really think Foundry authors (of ANY mission content type, be it reward focused, or story focused missions) would want to see ANY incentive to draw STO players to use the Foundry summarily removed? (Honestly, I don't think so.)
3) Cryptic COULD have put the FM rewards on the same sliding scale that they've now put the Foundry dilithium rewards on; but didn't (And again, do you really think this was something suggested or condoned by any Foundry author -- or does anyone have a link to any player post where is was specifically suggested/demanded the FM rewards be summarily removed?)
4) Cryptic let the '1-click console' situation go on for nearly a year; and when they finally came out and stated it was not a method they intended (and that the player report system failed in their eyes because no one really did report these missions <-- At least that's what they claimed); they also said that they wouldn't wait so long to make Foundry mission reward adjustments going forward.)
It appears the change/nerf was caused by the following:
- Cryptic datamined info regarding how content was played and found the majority of players were gaining FM via the Foundry (using BOTH fast story based AND/OR Foundry Grind missions) and not playing the actual Fleet Event content (in the PvE Queue system) at a level they would expect. I also think they felt the the current Foundry reward setup (in their own eyes based on datamined info); rewarded FM at a higher rate then they liked.
End result: They decided to completely remove FMs as a reward from the Foundry in an attempt to effectively force the playerbase that wants FM to play the content specifically designed for that purpose. I don't think the other discussions regarding Foundry content really affected this decision one way or the other; because again, if they wanted to, they could have put the FM reward on a sliding scale as well.
Now, what can the playerbase do to make themselves heard? Just what they are doing, communicating their pleasure/displeasure here on the forums and any other avenues of communication that they feel have worked in the past.
However, I do think it needs to be more reasoned out (and some of it has been) then:
"The PvE queue content that rewards FM sucks!"
Give them suggestions on how to improve it so it doesn't 'suck' in your eyes. But that said, be aware that if they have determined a rate at which they want FM to be accumulated by players - and by doing this change they feel the game is at that rate; there may not be an argument you can make that will affect the decision other then no longer playing or buy Zen with actual/real cash <-- Again, that's usually the ONLY argument any Company listens to in the end.
Personally, I don't care for what they've done with regard to removing Foundry FM rewards; but the only chance you have at changing their minds is either to affect their bottom line - or come up with a reasonable counter argument.
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If it is true that complaining from certain Foundry offers caused Cryptic to look into this, NEWS FLASH: those players weren't playing your long missions before and they sure as heck weren't playing them even with IOR rewards. No offense, but that's just the reality of it. Personally, I would eventually have gotten to some of the long foundry missions after grinding out the rep trees on my two mains, but that would have taken a while. However, I would have enjoyed playing those spotlighted missions even more b/c of the dilithium and fleet mark rewards. Again, foundry authors, seriously, please do not in any way take this personally. Some people are just like that. They need to complete every available tree and path available to them in the game as quickly as they can, or they do not feel satisfied.
My Question: Why was everyone okay (and in many ways content) with getting only 50 FM once every 20 hours (which works out to 2.5 FM an hour overall) -- yet now, all of a sudden it's pandemonium because for about 2 months they allowed players to grind 50 FM every 20 minutes or so?
Also, why is everyone thinking that somehow a few Foundry authors caused this change?
B/c humans are creatures of habit. Once the new IOR mission got introduced, we began to get used to it. Once it was taken away, we had to break the habit of using them as were accustomed to.
Seeing as how this topic is so popular right now, I went ahead and made a video about it and uploaded it to Youtube. Look down for the link! :rolleyes:
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"Hey player, do you want 960 dil +50 for playing a 15 minute grinder that was slapped together in 35 minutes? Or, do you want the same reward for a mission that was a labor of love by a Star Trek fan who is trying to tell their own story in a fictional universe that they love?"
I am incredibly tired of this derogatory talking point that isn't even true.
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I just read on Branflakes Twitter that we are supposed to also get a 'special bonus' for playing the foundry spotlight missions. I played 2 today and didn't get any bonuses.
If there was any kind of unified crusade, it was collective anger that all of our stories were getting drowned out by missions that didn't even try to tell a story. They were either exploits or missions where players go afk. Or, they are specifically designed to farm loot.
That they were so popular is a no brainer when all of you have endless buckets to fill.
Taking away FMs was not advocated very often, that I recall. The two most popular ideas were A. Rewards that scale with time; and B. UI that lets us sort between grinder stuff and actual story missions.
Yet taking away fleet marks was advocated for. I do agree, having read the threads, that the two suggestions you quote at the end were the majority. But you missed out the next most popular one.....taking away ALL the rewards.
Once again, I make the point, that advocating to take away a resource that small fleets depended on was wrong. Especially wrong if it were done in the name of making people pay more attention to your own stories.
I have foundry slots, I'm new to things so nothing published yet, but I do have them.
Do I have the right though to insist on changes to force players to play my (future) foundry missions as opposed to foundry missions I dislike?
Absolutely not.
Neither did those foundry authors who lobbied for such changes.
You seem not to understand this fundamental point.
The very best, most interesting story based foundry mission is NOT better than a simple grinder. It's different, but its not better in any objective sense.
An individual may prefer one sort of mission over another, but that a subjective decision.
You, among others, have appeared to take the view that your missions are objectively better.
Do you not see that, to those who prefer other types of foundry missions, that attitude is fantastically arrogant?
And do you not also see that this change is hitting small fleets disproportionately?
Real people are really angry about this. Serious errors of judgement have been made, both by cryptic and those foundry authors who lobbied for change in their own favour without regard to the impact on the wider community.
Did one of the spotlights. Got 1,364 (quite a lot) of dilithium, but that's less than the 1440 extra those patchnotes say I'd be getting for the first spotlight of the day, so... What's the deal? There doesn't appear to be a new wrapper for it, or it's glitched with the old one.
I am incredibly tired of this derogatory talking point that isn't even true.
I tend to agree. Though I respect foundry authors like kirksplat for all the love and dedication they put into their foundry missions, they cannot dictate how others play the game. If we wish to play it one way and as long as we're not breaking TOS or trolling others, nobody has any business telling us how we should play it (STF's are the only exception b/c if people are telling you nicely how to complete the mission correctly and you ignore or purposely afk/troll, then you should be kicked IMO).
Anyone have a nice handy list with all those lovely authors who think free choice is overrated and we need moar guidance towards their missions? Just so I know who's missions I'll never play?
@below, sorry, comments are coming in so fast mine didn't end up where it made sense, so I just scrapped the obvious in lieu of a chance to name and shame
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"Hey player, do you want 960 dil +50 FMs for playing a 15 minute grinder that was slapped together in 35 minutes? Or, do you want the same reward for a significantly longer mission that was a labor of love by a Star Trek fan who is trying to tell their own story in a fictional universe that they love?"
My response to this would be "I read pages for a living. The last thing I want when I logon to a game is to read even more pages. Besides, I get paid to read pages and make corrections / improvements. Are you paying me cash and not virtual items to go over your mostly mediocre work? No? Move along, then. But if I do happen to get bored some days, which does happen, I will ask in ESD chat for someone to point out a good, story-driven mission in the foundry and I will play it and give honest feedback. Now that I no longer have fun in game, I doubt I'll be reading your stories...unless you can afford my rates."
No, I am not who you think I am. I am someone different. I am instead a banana.
I'm not one to complain on the forums. In fact usually when I comment or post its on Cryptic/PWE doing a pretty good job. But for this patch, I have some legitimate complaints that I don't think is asking too much.
1. Taking away the Fleet marks for the Officer Reports Daily was a terrible thing. Reduce the amount given if its that serious, but to take it away totally is BS. With 3 different types of Marks to get plus dilithium it was nice to have a mission that supplied two of those things with the variety of missions that the Foundry Offers.
2. An increase in the amount of Dilithium able to be refined a day. 8k is just not enough when you have fleet projects, Reputation projects, Dilithium gear, Fleet Gear(Which requires Dilithium). There's just too many different places Dilithium is used and needed.
3. And finally a complaint I've had for some time. PVE/STF events where people join, don't participate, and then still get rewarded for just sitting there. You need some sort of reporting system to penalize the people who don't do anything. Or find a way to track a person who doesn't participate and then don't give them any rewards.
Other then those minor complaints, I still love STO. I've been here since Beta and I'll be here for a very long time.
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My response to this would be "I read pages for a living. The last thing I want when I logon to a game is to read even more pages. Besides, I get paid to read pages and make corrections / improvements. Are you paying me cash and not virtual items to go over your mostly mediocre work? No? Move along, then. But if I do happen to get bored some days, which does happen, I will ask in ESD chat for someone to point out a good, story-driven mission in the foundry and I will play it and give honest feedback. Now that I no longer have fun in game, I doubt I'll be reading your stories...unless you can afford my rates."
I know how you feel. I, too, read pages and pages for a living doing translations of legal transcriptions. I would like a 15-20 foundry minute mission here and there, and the most I think I would do is a 30-45 minute one. That being said, I don't find walls of texts appealing either.
Seeing as how this topic is so popular right now, I went ahead and made a video about it and uploaded it to Youtube. Look down for the link! :rolleyes:
Priceless!:D Really, this vid sums up my thoughts on this wretched business. Really, ya would think the Devs would've learned a lesson after that STF dilithium nerf debacle. But noooo...instead they implement one Foundry nerf and compound it with an even worse nerf still.
I hate to say it, but all this (and by 'this' I mean a persistently evident pattern of leaving the playerbase disgruntled by daft decisions) points to gross incompetence that I really can't fathom anyone in the 'real world' tolerating for as long as this player community has.
Wish I could conjure up an appropriate analogy between STO and the likes of Best Buy, Starbucks, Apple or Walmart. Bottom line, I couldn't fathom any of those companies thriving whilst treating their customers to the constant give and take we've been subjected to, without rhyme or reason.
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Did one of the spotlights. Got 1,364 (quite a lot) of dilithium, but that's less than the 1440 extra those patchnotes say I'd be getting for the first spotlight of the day, so... What's the deal? There doesn't appear to be a new wrapper for it, or it's glitched with the old one.
same issue here. got 1364 dil but not the 1440 extra the notes said i should get and no energy credits
Brilliant idea!! How about a foundry mission where all those who asked for these changes appear as npc's and we can... I dunno, maybe throw plasma grenades at them? It would be quick and fun
Lost and Delirious... and Disenchanted too Apparently some forum posters have diplomatic immunity nowadays, where can I get mine?
I threw that in to let Brandon and the team at Cryptic know it's nothing personal. I know it was a business decision and that after all this dies down, we can still go out and get a steak.
Yet taking away fleet marks was advocated for. I do agree, having read the threads, that the two suggestions you quote at the end were the majority. But you missed out the next most popular one.....taking away ALL the rewards.
Link please. I remember at one point, I was like, "OMG Nerf the whole Foundry!" and most authors were like "Whoa that's crazy." BranFlakes even immediately locked my thread. I then kind of calmed down and changed my mind.
I have never, that I recall, singled out FMs as the source of the problem.
Brilliant idea!! How about a foundry mission where all those who asked for these changes appear as npc's and we can... I dunno, maybe throw plasma grenades at them? It would be quick and fun
It would either be 1) against the EULA or some other contrivance or 2) to get around that it would have to be so, er, cryptic, that no one but those who know who they are would get it.
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Did one of the spotlights. Got 1,364 (quite a lot) of dilithium, but that's less than the 1440 extra those patchnotes say I'd be getting for the first spotlight of the day, so... What's the deal? There doesn't appear to be a new wrapper for it, or it's glitched with the old one.
It's a bug. Only the newest spotlight is giving the extra rewards.
Again, I know that there's a lot of fingers being pointed amongst folks but remember, whether we're just players, or foundry fic authors, or foundry grind authors, it doesn't matter because we're all being equally screwed.
The Foundry wouldn't have spawned any grind missions at all, and would be enjoyed for its alternate stories if the game itself afforded the average player the time to enjoy these things.
Instead, it's get on, grind and contribute, grind, and contribute. PWE with their eastern grind mandate has forced the need for this style of gameplay in order to progress. I'm sure when the Foundry debuted, it was meant purely for story missions, and for the first little while that's what it was. Unfortunately when this turned into Grind Trek Online, people had to find avenues for currency at any cost.
Anger should be directed here unilaterally at PWE itself, not only for creating an atmosphere that ultimately creates a community dispute, but for also blatantly exploiting customers in a very devisive manner.
Lifetime subber and former STO player from when it didn't suck.
Link please. I remember at one point, I was like, "OMG Nerf the whole Foundry!" and most authors were like "Whoa that's crazy." BranFlakes even immediately locked my thread. I then kind of calmed down and changed my mind.
I have never, that I recall, singled out FMs as the source of the problem.
Kirk, there is no problem. the only problem is the foundry authors with no life, sitting around all day eating hot pockets in their underwear in their mom's basement, making 3 hour foundry missions. And, this shouldn't be new words to you, if you checked your comments on your missions recently.
It would either be 1) against the EULA or some other contrivance or 2) to get around that it would have to be so, er, cryptic, that no one but those who know who they are would get it.
It was a joke, and even that mission wouldn't get me to do a foundry mission lol. I never did IOR anyway, and while I think it's sad for the small fleets I'm kinda happy with the change lol. Maybe my friends will spend some more time actually *playing* the game instead of grinding away. Those that don't quit and give up on this game altogether that is.
Lost and Delirious... and Disenchanted too Apparently some forum posters have diplomatic immunity nowadays, where can I get mine?
Or, it could be that we have a Community Manager who is proud of some of our stories and devs who agree with him, regarding what the Foundry is meant to be used for: player fanfic.
You know , I don't have much experience with fanfic these days , but back in the mid 90's I was part of another fandom that ran out of "official media" and one way to entertain each other was through fanfics and fanzines (this was in the early days of the internets) .
Back then there was "good fanfic" , "bad fanfic" and "marysue" (slash and other stuff came later) .
But in all that time , I've never come across ppl who had the arrogant gall to tell another fan what his fanfic should constitute .
What is and isn't fanfic .
Tell me , is your -- I mean our Community Manager proud that in this community we have players , authors (and Devs) who do believe in dictating , editing and stifling creativity ?
Can you prove to me without a shadow of a doubt that a master foundry author like Alimac30 did not experiment with a "go there and scan that rock" as his first foray into the Foundry ?
Is it not possible that even a small number of authors that created a clicky as their first mission could have become interested in creating more elaborate missions over time ?
(instead of getting perhaps disheartened by the hounding he got by his "true author" peers ?)
For all you know , your quest to purify the foundry might have "killed" the next foundry or gaming Beethoven .
Let me put it to you in a simple manner :
Your sheer arrogance disgusts me and if it were up to me I would take away your toy (read : close the foundry) until your ego deflates and you learn how to value , share and play with the other kids .
You and the "true authors" are not as special as you think you are .
And those who have built a "scan a rock" mission to amuse themselves or others are not as "less special" then you think they are .
Anyone who tries to do something with that abomination of a UI that Cryptic threw in our face (without a tutorial) is special .
Too bad that on your way to your self appointed greatness , you kind of forgot about that , just as you forgot about how exiting it must have been for you too , when you created your first mission , be that a "go scan a rock" type or something else .
Well done Cryptic.... now small fleets are just about to die:
_ Since removing FMs from foundry is the straw that broke the camel's back
_ Since you don't even ask yourself why people do play foudnry grinders for FMs > maybe the standard events are so boring to play and reward so ridiculous amount ?
_ Since it's all now bout grind.
_ Since you are making my fellow mates disgusted of this whole thing
_ Since you are making them quit fleet for a larger unpersonal fleet.
_ Since it is VERY BORING to do do over and over the same FMs rewarding events that NO ONE wants to play more than once a day.
_ Since a single player with no fleet can't get the best ships the game provide
_ Since my small fleet can't afford playing ONLY FM events when members are online;
_ Since anyway the dilithium cost of EVERYTHING is way outrageous
_ Since you are LYING bout reducing currencies : Fleet Marks, ; Romulan Marks, Omega Marks, Fleet Credits, Dilithium , Energy Credit, Lobi, Gold Pressed Latinum ..; Is this your way of reducing ?
_ Since this game IS NOT fun AT ALL ; No one would ever play your so called wonderfull New Romulus if it was not for final romulan marks goal... I can safely say NO ONE is playing it for FUN.
_ Since only large fleets with T4 , T and full Embassy have a chance to recruit anymore ! > Who wants to join a T1, T2 , T3 fleet that is struggling with its dozen members to complete any projects ?
Anger should be directed here unilaterally at PWE itself, not only for creating an atmosphere that ultimately creates a community dispute, but for also blatantly exploiting customers in a very devisive manner.
PWE should get the majority, but I don't think weeks of pestilential "discussion" on the Foundry forums should be granted clemency either.
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The biggest problem is that players like myself who rarely did the farming missions are now having to suffer for what other people did. Sure, for a time I farmed. Even made a video on it, but that changed when I discovered some of the really amazing ground missions. I love ground so much that I stopped farming space missions and went strictly ground where the value of the drops is significantly less. I didn't care that i walked out with a handful of hypos, shield charges, and maybe a couple of mostly worthless greens. I was having fun and the dil and FMs reward I felt made up for the lack of drops I was getting. So yes, there are people like me that were doing the missions the way that Cryptic wanted us to do them. I didn't AFK and let my BOffs kill stuff. I stuck around and positioned my people, then started the mission and battled my way through it, the right way. Now I am no longer rewarded with what was the most valuable thing to me. FMs.
It's kinda like being back in 1st grade and because that one kid who never listens acted up, now we all have to suffer the consequences and not get any candy.
So, if i get this right, we lost our fleetmarks because a bunch of dramaqueens threw a hissyfit because their foundry missions didn't rule the scoreboard?
And now that you got what you asked for, taking away any incentive to do those 3v1l quick foundry missions, you're saying "It wasn't us" and actually expect us to buy into that??:rolleyes:
Apparently some forum posters have diplomatic immunity nowadays, where can I get mine? [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Prior to the removal of the '1-Click Console' missions (back on 12/13/12 I believe); using that version of IOR netted players 50 FM for playing 3 Foundry missions once every 20 hours. All during that time Fleets were progressing and players weren't all up in arms over the situation.
My Question: Why was everyone okay (and in many ways content) with getting only 50 FM once every 20 hours (which works out to 2.5 FM an hour overall) -- yet now, all of a sudden it's pandemonium because for about 2 months they allowed players to grind 50 FM every 20 minutes or so?
Also, why is everyone thinking that somehow a few Foundry authors caused this change?
If you look at recent events (and changes like this done in the past) -- it's clear:
1) Cryptic datamines A LOT of data in the game (Just look at the third anniversary info graphic, as well as other in game statistics Cryptic has posted or discussed over the life of STO.)
2) Do you really think Foundry authors (of ANY mission content type, be it reward focused, or story focused missions) would want to see ANY incentive to draw STO players to use the Foundry summarily removed? (Honestly, I don't think so.)
3) Cryptic COULD have put the FM rewards on the same sliding scale that they've now put the Foundry dilithium rewards on; but didn't (And again, do you really think this was something suggested or condoned by any Foundry author -- or does anyone have a link to any player post where is was specifically suggested/demanded the FM rewards be summarily removed?)
4) Cryptic let the '1-click console' situation go on for nearly a year; and when they finally came out and stated it was not a method they intended (and that the player report system failed in their eyes because no one really did report these missions <-- At least that's what they claimed); they also said that they wouldn't wait so long to make Foundry mission reward adjustments going forward.)
It appears the change/nerf was caused by the following:
- Cryptic datamined info regarding how content was played and found the majority of players were gaining FM via the Foundry (using BOTH fast story based AND/OR Foundry Grind missions) and not playing the actual Fleet Event content (in the PvE Queue system) at a level they would expect. I also think they felt the the current Foundry reward setup (in their own eyes based on datamined info); rewarded FM at a higher rate then they liked.
End result: They decided to completely remove FMs as a reward from the Foundry in an attempt to effectively force the playerbase that wants FM to play the content specifically designed for that purpose. I don't think the other discussions regarding Foundry content really affected this decision one way or the other; because again, if they wanted to, they could have put the FM reward on a sliding scale as well.
Now, what can the playerbase do to make themselves heard? Just what they are doing, communicating their pleasure/displeasure here on the forums and any other avenues of communication that they feel have worked in the past.
However, I do think it needs to be more reasoned out (and some of it has been) then:
"The PvE queue content that rewards FM sucks!"
Give them suggestions on how to improve it so it doesn't 'suck' in your eyes. But that said, be aware that if they have determined a rate at which they want FM to be accumulated by players - and by doing this change they feel the game is at that rate; there may not be an argument you can make that will affect the decision other then no longer playing or buy Zen with actual/real cash <-- Again, that's usually the ONLY argument any Company listens to in the end.
Personally, I don't care for what they've done with regard to removing Foundry FM rewards; but the only chance you have at changing their minds is either to affect their bottom line - or come up with a reasonable counter argument.
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B/c humans are creatures of habit. Once the new IOR mission got introduced, we began to get used to it. Once it was taken away, we had to break the habit of using them as were accustomed to.
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I am incredibly tired of this derogatory talking point that isn't even true.
There is a bug with that. Right now only the most recent spotlight rewards the extra stuff. It will be fixed, I hope.
Yet taking away fleet marks was advocated for. I do agree, having read the threads, that the two suggestions you quote at the end were the majority. But you missed out the next most popular one.....taking away ALL the rewards.
Once again, I make the point, that advocating to take away a resource that small fleets depended on was wrong. Especially wrong if it were done in the name of making people pay more attention to your own stories.
I have foundry slots, I'm new to things so nothing published yet, but I do have them.
Do I have the right though to insist on changes to force players to play my (future) foundry missions as opposed to foundry missions I dislike?
Absolutely not.
Neither did those foundry authors who lobbied for such changes.
You seem not to understand this fundamental point.
The very best, most interesting story based foundry mission is NOT better than a simple grinder. It's different, but its not better in any objective sense.
An individual may prefer one sort of mission over another, but that a subjective decision.
You, among others, have appeared to take the view that your missions are objectively better.
Do you not see that, to those who prefer other types of foundry missions, that attitude is fantastically arrogant?
And do you not also see that this change is hitting small fleets disproportionately?
Real people are really angry about this. Serious errors of judgement have been made, both by cryptic and those foundry authors who lobbied for change in their own favour without regard to the impact on the wider community.
I tend to agree. Though I respect foundry authors like kirksplat for all the love and dedication they put into their foundry missions, they cannot dictate how others play the game. If we wish to play it one way and as long as we're not breaking TOS or trolling others, nobody has any business telling us how we should play it (STF's are the only exception b/c if people are telling you nicely how to complete the mission correctly and you ignore or purposely afk/troll, then you should be kicked IMO).
@below, sorry, comments are coming in so fast mine didn't end up where it made sense, so I just scrapped the obvious in lieu of a chance to name and shame
Apparently some forum posters have diplomatic immunity nowadays, where can I get mine? [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Well you got to tell it plain or simple to some people they dont get it.
My response to this would be "I read pages for a living. The last thing I want when I logon to a game is to read even more pages. Besides, I get paid to read pages and make corrections / improvements. Are you paying me cash and not virtual items to go over your mostly mediocre work? No? Move along, then. But if I do happen to get bored some days, which does happen, I will ask in ESD chat for someone to point out a good, story-driven mission in the foundry and I will play it and give honest feedback. Now that I no longer have fun in game, I doubt I'll be reading your stories...unless you can afford my rates."
1. Taking away the Fleet marks for the Officer Reports Daily was a terrible thing. Reduce the amount given if its that serious, but to take it away totally is BS. With 3 different types of Marks to get plus dilithium it was nice to have a mission that supplied two of those things with the variety of missions that the Foundry Offers.
2. An increase in the amount of Dilithium able to be refined a day. 8k is just not enough when you have fleet projects, Reputation projects, Dilithium gear, Fleet Gear(Which requires Dilithium). There's just too many different places Dilithium is used and needed.
3. And finally a complaint I've had for some time. PVE/STF events where people join, don't participate, and then still get rewarded for just sitting there. You need some sort of reporting system to penalize the people who don't do anything. Or find a way to track a person who doesn't participate and then don't give them any rewards.
Other then those minor complaints, I still love STO. I've been here since Beta and I'll be here for a very long time.
Fleet Admiral Napolean "Stryker" Valmont
U.S.S MaYHeM - C
Battle Group MaYHeM
I know how you feel. I, too, read pages and pages for a living doing translations of legal transcriptions. I would like a 15-20 foundry minute mission here and there, and the most I think I would do is a 30-45 minute one. That being said, I don't find walls of texts appealing either.
I hate to say it, but all this (and by 'this' I mean a persistently evident pattern of leaving the playerbase disgruntled by daft decisions) points to gross incompetence that I really can't fathom anyone in the 'real world' tolerating for as long as this player community has.
Wish I could conjure up an appropriate analogy between STO and the likes of Best Buy, Starbucks, Apple or Walmart. Bottom line, I couldn't fathom any of those companies thriving whilst treating their customers to the constant give and take we've been subjected to, without rhyme or reason.
Vice-Admiral Methos Corinthian
methos71
same issue here. got 1364 dil but not the 1440 extra the notes said i should get and no energy credits
Apparently some forum posters have diplomatic immunity nowadays, where can I get mine? [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
perfect better then i could of put it
i loved the cat picture lol
Link please. I remember at one point, I was like, "OMG Nerf the whole Foundry!" and most authors were like "Whoa that's crazy." BranFlakes even immediately locked my thread. I then kind of calmed down and changed my mind.
I have never, that I recall, singled out FMs as the source of the problem.
It would either be 1) against the EULA or some other contrivance or 2) to get around that it would have to be so, er, cryptic, that no one but those who know who they are would get it.
It's a bug. Only the newest spotlight is giving the extra rewards.
The Foundry wouldn't have spawned any grind missions at all, and would be enjoyed for its alternate stories if the game itself afforded the average player the time to enjoy these things.
Instead, it's get on, grind and contribute, grind, and contribute. PWE with their eastern grind mandate has forced the need for this style of gameplay in order to progress. I'm sure when the Foundry debuted, it was meant purely for story missions, and for the first little while that's what it was. Unfortunately when this turned into Grind Trek Online, people had to find avenues for currency at any cost.
Anger should be directed here unilaterally at PWE itself, not only for creating an atmosphere that ultimately creates a community dispute, but for also blatantly exploiting customers in a very devisive manner.
Fed: Astarsha, level 60 tactical officer
KDF: K'tana level 54 tactical officer
Kirk, there is no problem. the only problem is the foundry authors with no life, sitting around all day eating hot pockets in their underwear in their mom's basement, making 3 hour foundry missions. And, this shouldn't be new words to you, if you checked your comments on your missions recently.
It was a joke, and even that mission wouldn't get me to do a foundry mission lol. I never did IOR anyway, and while I think it's sad for the small fleets I'm kinda happy with the change lol. Maybe my friends will spend some more time actually *playing* the game instead of grinding away. Those that don't quit and give up on this game altogether that is.
Apparently some forum posters have diplomatic immunity nowadays, where can I get mine? [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
You know , I don't have much experience with fanfic these days , but back in the mid 90's I was part of another fandom that ran out of "official media" and one way to entertain each other was through fanfics and fanzines (this was in the early days of the internets) .
Back then there was "good fanfic" , "bad fanfic" and "marysue" (slash and other stuff came later) .
But in all that time , I've never come across ppl who had the arrogant gall to tell another fan what his fanfic should constitute .
What is and isn't fanfic .
Tell me , is your -- I mean our Community Manager proud that in this community we have players , authors (and Devs) who do believe in dictating , editing and stifling creativity ?
Can you prove to me without a shadow of a doubt that a master foundry author like Alimac30 did not experiment with a "go there and scan that rock" as his first foray into the Foundry ?
Is it not possible that even a small number of authors that created a clicky as their first mission could have become interested in creating more elaborate missions over time ?
(instead of getting perhaps disheartened by the hounding he got by his "true author" peers ?)
For all you know , your quest to purify the foundry might have "killed" the next foundry or gaming Beethoven .
Let me put it to you in a simple manner :
Your sheer arrogance disgusts me and if it were up to me I would take away your toy (read : close the foundry) until your ego deflates and you learn how to value , share and play with the other kids .
You and the "true authors" are not as special as you think you are .
And those who have built a "scan a rock" mission to amuse themselves or others are not as "less special" then you think they are .
Anyone who tries to do something with that abomination of a UI that Cryptic threw in our face (without a tutorial) is special .
Too bad that on your way to your self appointed greatness , you kind of forgot about that , just as you forgot about how exiting it must have been for you too , when you created your first mission , be that a "go scan a rock" type or something else .
_ Since removing FMs from foundry is the straw that broke the camel's back
_ Since you don't even ask yourself why people do play foudnry grinders for FMs > maybe the standard events are so boring to play and reward so ridiculous amount ?
_ Since it's all now bout grind.
_ Since you are making my fellow mates disgusted of this whole thing
_ Since you are making them quit fleet for a larger unpersonal fleet.
_ Since it is VERY BORING to do do over and over the same FMs rewarding events that NO ONE wants to play more than once a day.
_ Since a single player with no fleet can't get the best ships the game provide
_ Since my small fleet can't afford playing ONLY FM events when members are online;
_ Since the overall gameplay has become NO FUN
_ Since you've made this game bout grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind etc
_ Since anyway the dilithium cost of EVERYTHING is way outrageous
_ Since you are LYING bout reducing currencies : Fleet Marks, ; Romulan Marks, Omega Marks, Fleet Credits, Dilithium , Energy Credit, Lobi, Gold Pressed Latinum ..; Is this your way of reducing ?
_ Since this game IS NOT fun AT ALL ; No one would ever play your so called wonderfull New Romulus if it was not for final romulan marks goal... I can safely say NO ONE is playing it for FUN.
_ Since only large fleets with T4 , T and full Embassy have a chance to recruit anymore ! > Who wants to join a T1, T2 , T3 fleet that is struggling with its dozen members to complete any projects ?
_ Since even if you are in a large fleet it's only all about ... grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind
_ Since you've made this game such as a lot of Fan BoyTrolls in large fleets will come trolling on this post anyway
_ Since you never fix important bugs.
_ But you are really quick to fix money sinks ones.
_ Since the reputation system seems a good idea only to you guys
_ Since LTS players are beeing left on the edge.
_ Since for anyone want to have a very very little fun in the end it is about this amount of : grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind
_ SINCE YOU ARE NOT AT ALL FOLLOWING WHAT HAS EVER BEEN THE STAR TREK SPIRIT !!!!
PWE should get the majority, but I don't think weeks of pestilential "discussion" on the Foundry forums should be granted clemency either.