None of these ships were ever shown in any episode of star trek, except in your own imagination. None of them are even related to canon.
If either would had been in an episode the usual suspects like ex astris scientia would have been all over them to analyse them in any way imaginable.
The biggest and newest kdf ship ever on screen was the negh'var.
//edit: btw Armada 2 didn't feature them either, the biggest kdf ship I remember from there is the Fekh'ir dreadnought and the suicide ship. the only way your fanfic thing could have been in there is a user generated mod
None of these ships were ever shown in any episode of star trek, except in your own imagination. None of them are even related to canon.
If either would had been in an episode the usual suspects like ex astris scientia would have been all over them to analyse them in any way imaginable.
The biggest and newest kdf ship ever on screen was the negh'var.
//edit: btw Armada 2 didn't feature them either, the biggest kdf ship I remember from there is the Fekh'ir dreadnought and the suicide ship. the only way your fanfic thing could have been in there is a user generated mod
It says Qeh'Ral is an older ship, which isn't correct, it came after NeghVar, not before, but just for the other user saying it wasn't in Star Trek Armada 2.
After reading Peregrine Falcon's informative history on Cryptic and the Klingon Empire.
I have a lot of respect for Peregrine Falcon, but....... I've read his history also, and while all the events that lead many to call Cryptic "liars" and "manipulators" are listed, there is something of a bias in the descriptions.
If Cryptic said "we are working on...." the description reads "Crpytic promised". If Cryptic said, "we have plans for...", it is interpreted as "Cryptic promised". If one of the Devs said, "this is high on our priority list..." his comments are presented as "Cryptic promised". If DStahl said, "I would really like to have that in game..." that is listed as "Cryptic Promised".
What Cryptic was guilty of was trying to be as open as possible about future plans, things that were being worked on, and changes in those plans. Every time something changed, they were accused of lying.
I dare you to show me one business that never changes their plans, never works on something that doesn't come to fruition, never reconsiders an idea.
We used to get a lot of information about what was being considered and worked on. Now we get very little. Can you blame them? Is it better?
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It says Qeh'Ral is an older ship, which isn't correct, it came after NeghVar, not before, but just for the other user saying it wasn't in Star Trek Armada 2.
i cannot remember it in armada 2 and i modded that game to death
It is one of the original ships for the Klingon Empire.
But anyways, when you look at the Qeh'Ral, you can see the gorn influences.
don't remember it either, only thing I can imagine it could be a one off from one of the story missions, but then it did not leave any lasting impression.
btw, about being older that reasoning makes sense since it looks like a decendent of the IKS sword of kahless from klingon academy. which played around the time of ST V and IV.
still it was never on screen in the TV series or there would be documentation like crazy about it.
1) "Hard" canon - this was shown or said in the movies and TV series.
2) Soft canon - this was on novels and other licensed material, as long it does not conflict with hard canon its accepted (Vesta class falls into this category).
3) Non-canon - Everything that is unlicensed, this includes mods to licensed games.
Also Cryptic have stated they cannot use designs from other games, if someone brings up a Armada II design this is what I reply, anything is NOT possible so dont drop in the same bag something like the Luna or the Vesta along with a Armada II fan design, the Luna and Vesta were from officially LICENSED materials.
Not quite correct. It sepends apon the licenced material for what game. There is quite a bit of stuff thats been used in other games (specificly ships) that they can use. This is from one of the art folks. It was stated in a pod cast inteview some time in the last 6 months.
If its anything where a licence reverts back to CBS then it belongs to CBS.. the art assets anyway. SOme they can use, some they cant. But my understanding is ship models are generally in the "can" department.
Relax guys.. more stuff coming.. its one of those "Daniel Stahl said" things in a pod cast recently (like just days) the "word" is escort class/sized ships.. certainly mostly fed, and some may be previously used skins with slighty different stats..and my money says many will be "fleet" ship designs. we'll just have to wait an d see.. it'll be happening over the next 6-8 weeks.y KDF will get some love..
.............they have been consistant about thowing things KDF way when the feds get goodies even when its not much (for the KDF) over the last year.
Khemaraa sends.
P.S. personally holding off on the tar and feathers until end of May, beginning of June.
....and a if'n they don't... the virtupertive Khemaraa of old will be a post'n. Yes Cryptic has FUBAR'd in the past.. but they have done a few little things now and again. The impression is the next "more then a season and sounds kinda like an actuall expansion"is a big real KDF content thing not a little thing.. seeing it kinda needs to be the big "we've been waitng 3 years for" big thing, they either deliver, or its seriously bad press time.
You know, they should just do away with factions altogether.
Instead, when creating a player character, you can chose a origin Starfleet, KDF, Romulan, get a nice tutorial in the representing setting. Then you set out into the world, sporting your origins color and go safe the galaxy from the iconians, borg, undine, whatever.
You can shop at every place, you can visit every place.
however there are restrictions. to visit the homeworld sector of a different origin, you have to get diplomatic reputation, to visit the actual homeworld/base, better be a high ranking diplomat.
Want ships not from where you come from, get your standing with them up, aka reputation.
You can also pledge you allegiance to one power when you have reached max reputation with them, aka defecting to the other side.
Can expand that rather easy with other powers, cardassian, neutral traders, whatever.
You know, they should just do away with factions altogether.
Instead, when creating a player character, you can chose a origin Starfleet, KDF, Romulan, get a nice tutorial in the representing setting. Then you set out into the world, sporting your origins color and go safe the galaxy from the iconians, borg, undine, whatever.
You can shop at every place, you can visit every place.
however there are restrictions. to visit the homeworld sector of a different origin, you have to get diplomatic reputation, to visit the actual homeworld/base, better be a high ranking diplomat.
Want ships not from where you come from, get your standing with them up, aka reputation.
You can also pledge you allegiance to one power when you have reached max reputation with them, aka defecting to the other side.
Can expand that rather easy with other powers, cardassian, neutral traders, whatever.
Sounds cool.
I would support this.
NO to ARC RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
I have a lot of respect for Peregrine Falcon, but....... I've read his history also, and while all the events that lead many to call Cryptic "liars" and "manipulators" are listed, there is something of a bias in the descriptions.
If you were to judge DStahl on his track record, how would you judge it? Did he deliver the goods for the KDF in this game? Or was it really just no cups in the kitchen and then ... lockbox lotto?
Not at all, It was in one of the final episodes when the fleets were clashing and fighting their way to Cardassia, it appears after Mortok and Worf jump in with their BoPs, When the whole Klingon Fleet appears, it's the huge Klingon Ship in the middle of the mass.
Worf was on the Defiant during the last episode of DS9, so he couldn't have "jumped in".
The only time he did something remotely like that was during the th season in "Sacrifice of Angels" and there was no ship that fits the description if it either.,
I didn't know what it was until Star Trek Magezine back in the day published an article about it, it was a cross between Klingon and Gorn Technology, mainly illustrated in a Star Trek book (back story while the Dominion War was undergoing, the Klingon Empire conquered the Gorn, or something like that)
I'll see if I can find a screen shot or pic.
If the Klingons had supposedly conquered the Gorn (which they didn't) during the DOminion War, why would they conquer them again afterwards in the STo backstory decades later?
It is one of the original ships for the Klingon Empire.
But anyways, when you look at the Qeh'Ral, you can see the gorn influences.
The ship exists exclusively in Armada 2 and the guys at Cryptic have explicitly said time and again they can't use ships from other game companies, nor reference their material.
The ship also does not exist from a canon standpoint because it was not in the shows.
And now you say one can see the Gorn influence instead of it being in the ship's backstory.
Where are we supposed to see it?
There's the Star Trek game we want and the Star Trek game we got... which is quite dated, too small in scope to be considered "massively", overly instanced, and is the best ST theme-based chat room to date.
Open galaxy, territorial control-based PVP would keep me around but judging how this game can't handle balloons let alone epic space battles... my expectations are lowered so I won't be surprised what the "not-season 8" does not bring for me as a PVPer.
Too bad gear carrot battleground based PVP was tacked onto this game but it is the way it is. I refuse to go into another queue and treat combat as a mini-esport.
In fairness, will see what the future brings us all. Will reserve my comment with regards to the topic until that time.
Hope Cryptic figures things out and we all get a bit of what we want.
"Dammit J'mpok! I'm a Warrior, not a Worrier!"
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities.Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
In fairness, will see what the future brings us all. Will reserve my comment with regards to the topic until that time.
When season 8 launches and it's not there but the devs (and their defenders) say that the first patch of the season isn't the whole season and the KDF should wait for the rest of the season to play out ...
When that also comes up empty and the Devs say for the KDF to wait, as there's more in the pipeline ...
When that also comes up empty and the head honcho makes some quote about the KDF being 12 percent or 16 percent of the target audience ...
When seasons 1 through 7 essentially repeat themselves ...
When season 8 launches and it's not there but the devs (and their defenders) say that the first patch of the season isn't the whole season and the KDF should wait for the rest of the season to play out ...
When that also comes up empty and the Devs say for the KDF to wait, as there's more in the pipeline ...
When that also comes up empty and the head honcho makes some quote about the KDF being 12 percent or 16 percent of the target audience ...
When seasons 1 through 7 essentially repeat themselves ...
The IP is about to get popular again.
"not season 8" will not come quietly.
Cryptic will parade that around for all to see.
All I can say is that it better be good.
That's my line in the sand.
Am all about swift, decisive action.
"Dammit J'mpok! I'm a Warrior, not a Worrier!"
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities.Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
It is one of the original ships for the Klingon Empire.
But anyways, when you look at the Qeh'Ral, you can see the gorn influences.
Considering the only cannon Gorn ship was seen in the TOS episode "Arena" and even then was just a blur - no, you can't see Gorn influence. In anything. Including the modern Gorn ships in STO.
And I'm almost certain that your massive Klingon ship from DS9 was the mirror universe Regent's flagship, which was a Negh'var model scaled up by about 300%.
...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
- Anne Bredon
Considering the only cannon Gorn ship was seen in the TOS episode "Arena" and even then was just a blur - no, you can't see Gorn influence. In anything. Including the modern Gorn ships in STO.
In fact, in all of TNG, DS9, VOY and the movies, there has been only one reference to the Gorn. If it hadn't been for ENT, the Gorn would have gone down in history as the rubber suit monster from TOS: Arena (a Gorn appeared in a TAS episode, but who can remember). Even after ENT there's barely any canon information about the Gorn.
The ship exists exclusively in Armada 2 and the guys at Cryptic have explicitly said time and again they can't use ships from other game companies, nor reference their material.
The ship also does not exist from a canon standpoint because it was not in the shows.
And now you say one can see the Gorn influence instead of it being in the ship's backstory.
Where are we supposed to see it?
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
The novels have strayed too far from STO for there to be any common ground. Voyager went back to the Delta Quadrant with a fleet, the Borg have been completely removed from our galaxy, and the Typhon Pact is a counter to the Federation. I figure there are 3 universes as far as Star Trek is concerned since I don't consider the JJ universe to be part of Star Trek. There is the novel universe, Star Trek Online universe, and the TV show universe that we know nothing about until someone decides to create a movie or TV show after Romulus was destroyed.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
*hear....sorry bit of a grammar TRIBBLE. On the forums here actually, back when I first started playing in January 2012 there was a big debate thread about that.....well okay not that big it only lasted a few pages before someone posted a link to the information regarding what is considered canon and what is not. Check the archives for last January and it should be in there.
Again sorry for the whole grammar thing but my son just started school and I am kind of in overdrive in those areas.
On the forums here actually, back when I first started playing in January 2012 there was a big debate thread about that.....well okay not that big it only lasted a few pages before someone posted a link to the information regarding what is considered canon and what is not. Check the archives for last January and it should be in there.
I couldn't seem to find it. Do you remember the name of the thread? Or at least the section of the forums it was in?
According to Memory Alpha, only the five live-action series and the eleven (soon to be twelve) movies are considered official canon. STO and other games/novels are licensed canon, meaning they need CBS's approval before they're released, but live-action productions take priority.
In other words, STO can only be considered canon until a new series or movie contradicts it.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
There are some problems with pinning any hopes to that.
1- The playerbase here loves to bash the movies. And Abrams. Lots of Abrams bashing.
2- CBS does not own the movie rights. Paramount does. This is very important because ...
3- Cryptic can't do anything with the movie stufff. Nor have they been able to negotiate any licensing with the movie stuff.
4- CBS took great strides to keep their licensing stuff very strict with Cryptic and keep the movie/paramount's licensing far away from this game.
Remember the last movie came out while this game was getting close to launch. And did next to nothing to help boost this game directly. It was all indirect because yeah, they both have the name Star Trek involved in the title. And yes, that will have an effect this time too. But that's it. There's nothing that can directly link the game and the movie.
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If either would had been in an episode the usual suspects like ex astris scientia would have been all over them to analyse them in any way imaginable.
The biggest and newest kdf ship ever on screen was the negh'var.
//edit: btw Armada 2 didn't feature them either, the biggest kdf ship I remember from there is the Fekh'ir dreadnought and the suicide ship. the only way your fanfic thing could have been in there is a user generated mod
I'll look for the screen shot/figure out which episode.
The Qeh'Ral is seen surrounded by two Neghvar and several Vorcha and K'Tenga's
then you will be looking till the end of time. It is not there.
You didn't play Star Trek Armada 2 then........
Scroll down to the Klingon Empire Warships
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Armada_II
Besides, the Vesta is technically non-canon, being from the books and not the shows, and it's still in STO... anything's possible after all
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
http://gaming.trekcore.com/armada2/ships-klingon.html
It says Qeh'Ral is an older ship, which isn't correct, it came after NeghVar, not before, but just for the other user saying it wasn't in Star Trek Armada 2.
I have a lot of respect for Peregrine Falcon, but....... I've read his history also, and while all the events that lead many to call Cryptic "liars" and "manipulators" are listed, there is something of a bias in the descriptions.
If Cryptic said "we are working on...." the description reads "Crpytic promised". If Cryptic said, "we have plans for...", it is interpreted as "Cryptic promised". If one of the Devs said, "this is high on our priority list..." his comments are presented as "Cryptic promised". If DStahl said, "I would really like to have that in game..." that is listed as "Cryptic Promised".
What Cryptic was guilty of was trying to be as open as possible about future plans, things that were being worked on, and changes in those plans. Every time something changed, they were accused of lying.
I dare you to show me one business that never changes their plans, never works on something that doesn't come to fruition, never reconsiders an idea.
We used to get a lot of information about what was being considered and worked on. Now we get very little. Can you blame them? Is it better?
STO Forum member since before February 2010.
STO Academy's excellent skill planner here: Link
I actually avoid success entirely. It doesn't get me what I want, and the consequences for failure are slim. -- markhawman
i cannot remember it in armada 2 and i modded that game to death
DELTA PRICE RISING
I played without Mods, and still knew of it.
It is one of the original ships for the Klingon Empire.
But anyways, when you look at the Qeh'Ral, you can see the gorn influences.
don't remember it either, only thing I can imagine it could be a one off from one of the story missions, but then it did not leave any lasting impression.
btw, about being older that reasoning makes sense since it looks like a decendent of the IKS sword of kahless from klingon academy. which played around the time of ST V and IV.
still it was never on screen in the TV series or there would be documentation like crazy about it.
Not quite correct. It sepends apon the licenced material for what game. There is quite a bit of stuff thats been used in other games (specificly ships) that they can use. This is from one of the art folks. It was stated in a pod cast inteview some time in the last 6 months.
If its anything where a licence reverts back to CBS then it belongs to CBS.. the art assets anyway. SOme they can use, some they cant. But my understanding is ship models are generally in the "can" department.
Relax guys.. more stuff coming.. its one of those "Daniel Stahl said" things in a pod cast recently (like just days) the "word" is escort class/sized ships.. certainly mostly fed, and some may be previously used skins with slighty different stats..and my money says many will be "fleet" ship designs. we'll just have to wait an d see.. it'll be happening over the next 6-8 weeks.y KDF will get some love..
.............they have been consistant about thowing things KDF way when the feds get goodies even when its not much (for the KDF) over the last year.
Khemaraa sends.
P.S. personally holding off on the tar and feathers until end of May, beginning of June.
....and a if'n they don't... the virtupertive Khemaraa of old will be a post'n. Yes Cryptic has FUBAR'd in the past.. but they have done a few little things now and again. The impression is the next "more then a season and sounds kinda like an actuall expansion"is a big real KDF content thing not a little thing.. seeing it kinda needs to be the big "we've been waitng 3 years for" big thing, they either deliver, or its seriously bad press time.
Instead, when creating a player character, you can chose a origin Starfleet, KDF, Romulan, get a nice tutorial in the representing setting. Then you set out into the world, sporting your origins color and go safe the galaxy from the iconians, borg, undine, whatever.
You can shop at every place, you can visit every place.
however there are restrictions. to visit the homeworld sector of a different origin, you have to get diplomatic reputation, to visit the actual homeworld/base, better be a high ranking diplomat.
Want ships not from where you come from, get your standing with them up, aka reputation.
You can also pledge you allegiance to one power when you have reached max reputation with them, aka defecting to the other side.
Can expand that rather easy with other powers, cardassian, neutral traders, whatever.
Sounds cool.
I would support this.
RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
If you were to judge DStahl on his track record, how would you judge it? Did he deliver the goods for the KDF in this game? Or was it really just no cups in the kitchen and then ... lockbox lotto?
Worf was on the Defiant during the last episode of DS9, so he couldn't have "jumped in".
The only time he did something remotely like that was during the th season in "Sacrifice of Angels" and there was no ship that fits the description if it either.,
If the Klingons had supposedly conquered the Gorn (which they didn't) during the DOminion War, why would they conquer them again afterwards in the STo backstory decades later?
The ship exists exclusively in Armada 2 and the guys at Cryptic have explicitly said time and again they can't use ships from other game companies, nor reference their material.
The ship also does not exist from a canon standpoint because it was not in the shows.
And now you say one can see the Gorn influence instead of it being in the ship's backstory.
Where are we supposed to see it?
Open galaxy, territorial control-based PVP would keep me around but judging how this game can't handle balloons let alone epic space battles... my expectations are lowered so I won't be surprised what the "not-season 8" does not bring for me as a PVPer.
Too bad gear carrot battleground based PVP was tacked onto this game but it is the way it is. I refuse to go into another queue and treat combat as a mini-esport.
In fairness, will see what the future brings us all. Will reserve my comment with regards to the topic until that time.
Hope Cryptic figures things out and we all get a bit of what we want.
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities. Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
When season 8 launches and it's not there but the devs (and their defenders) say that the first patch of the season isn't the whole season and the KDF should wait for the rest of the season to play out ...
When that also comes up empty and the Devs say for the KDF to wait, as there's more in the pipeline ...
When that also comes up empty and the head honcho makes some quote about the KDF being 12 percent or 16 percent of the target audience ...
When seasons 1 through 7 essentially repeat themselves ...
The IP is about to get popular again.
"not season 8" will not come quietly.
Cryptic will parade that around for all to see.
All I can say is that it better be good.
That's my line in the sand.
Am all about swift, decisive action.
- KDF Ambassador Syon vocalizing her objection to the discussions of possible peace talks with the UFP due to recent Borg and Undine activities. Hegh'bat, Stardate 66588.8
Considering the only cannon Gorn ship was seen in the TOS episode "Arena" and even then was just a blur - no, you can't see Gorn influence. In anything. Including the modern Gorn ships in STO.
And I'm almost certain that your massive Klingon ship from DS9 was the mirror universe Regent's flagship, which was a Negh'var model scaled up by about 300%.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Regent's_flagship
...Oh, baby, you know, I've really got to leave you / Oh, I can hear it callin 'me / I said don't you hear it callin' me the way it used to do?...
- Anne Bredon
STO may simply not follow the novels.
The novels are not canon. So STO doesn't need to follow them.
That said, STO isn't canon either ...
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
Actually since CBS says it's canon it is sooooo.......
Really? Where did you here that?
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
Again sorry for the whole grammar thing but my son just started school and I am kind of in overdrive in those areas.
I'm kind of like that too.
I couldn't seem to find it. Do you remember the name of the thread? Or at least the section of the forums it was in?
According to Memory Alpha, only the five live-action series and the eleven (soon to be twelve) movies are considered official canon. STO and other games/novels are licensed canon, meaning they need CBS's approval before they're released, but live-action productions take priority.
In other words, STO can only be considered canon until a new series or movie contradicts it.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
It it helps: I'm far from one and the writing skills shown on the forums by players who aren't ESL make me cringe far too often.
You mean Star Trek Into Darkness?
The JJ Abrams movie?
There are some problems with pinning any hopes to that.
1- The playerbase here loves to bash the movies. And Abrams. Lots of Abrams bashing.
2- CBS does not own the movie rights. Paramount does. This is very important because ...
3- Cryptic can't do anything with the movie stufff. Nor have they been able to negotiate any licensing with the movie stuff.
4- CBS took great strides to keep their licensing stuff very strict with Cryptic and keep the movie/paramount's licensing far away from this game.
Remember the last movie came out while this game was getting close to launch. And did next to nothing to help boost this game directly. It was all indirect because yeah, they both have the name Star Trek involved in the title. And yes, that will have an effect this time too. But that's it. There's nothing that can directly link the game and the movie.
Paramount. Everyone forgets about Paramount.