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Cryptic should give up...

warbird001warbird001 Member Posts: 246 Arc User
edited February 2013 in Klingon Discussion
After reading Peregrine Falcon's informative history on Cryptic and the Klingon Empire. It appears that in three years, Cryptic have been consistently lying and manipulating their player base. It is sad to see Star Trek used in this way, I've never been overly enthralled with the Klingon Empire so I never noticed before but I really feel for Klingon players due to what they have had to put up with from Cryptic.

Cryptic had made consistent mistakes on both the Federation and Klingon side and now they want to bring in a third faction as well? I think its about time they admitted that they just cannot cope with the scope of the project and give it over to somebody who can.

Unfortunately, I fear that things are only going to get worse when the lockboxes and ships are going to wear thin over the gaping lack of content. Why should Stahl and the rest of the team care about the monster they created? Not with people signing their paychecks each month with lock-boxes.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I am waiting for May's update to see if Cryptic has completely screwed over the KDF faction. If they introduce a new playable faction and KDFs aren't at the level that Feds were at launch, then they have screwed up. It is possible to have two well designed factions in one major update, but considering their past, then it is not surprising that most people doubt that they can do it. Cryptic had a really short development time which initially screwed up the KDF faction. They should have just done the Federation faction, then introduce the KDF faction later instead of releasing the KDF faction as a PvP faction. Then there was the problem of Atari TRIBBLE over Cryptic since they obviously wanted to just sell Cryptic and not provide a decent budget. Even after PWE took over and hired a bunch of people, it takes time for employees to be properly trained and develop content. Hopefully, STO is done with all the idiocy that has hindered the development of this game.
  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,334 Arc User
    edited February 2013
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  • warbird001warbird001 Member Posts: 246 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    starkaos wrote: »
    I am waiting for May's update to see if Cryptic has completely screwed over the KDF faction. If they introduce a new playable faction and KDFs aren't at the level that Feds were at launch, then they have screwed up. It is possible to have two well designed factions in one major update, but considering their past, then it is not surprising that most people doubt that they can do it. Cryptic had a really short development time which initially screwed up the KDF faction. They should have just done the Federation faction, then introduce the KDF faction later instead of releasing the KDF faction as a PvP faction. Then there was the problem of Atari TRIBBLE over Cryptic since they obviously wanted to just sell Cryptic and not provide a decent budget. Even after PWE took over and hired a bunch of people, it takes time for employees to be properly trained and develop content. Hopefully, STO is done with all the idiocy that has hindered the development of this game.

    So how long are we supposed to sit here and hope while they milk us for money and add items into the game the unbalance PvP and have no need to be in the game in the first place. I would be happy to have another Year of Hell if it meant they would completely redesign the game from the ground up.
  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,334 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Perfect World Entertainment Community Rules and Policies . ~BranFlakes
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  • catstarstocatstarsto Member Posts: 2,149 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    :O I hope they dont give up, I bought a lifetime sub a couple of years ago. I expect to be able to play for many years to come still. Even if they started to create flying snowcones that shoot sillystring while playing frosty the snowman, I would stay. I have found friends on here that I wouldnt wanna see go. Our fleet is a good bunch of people, we are really a close-nit community. Im always glad to be recived by them. They are my main reason for being here, well that and getting to play as CatStar =^.^=

    Lets say they did make flying snowcones....would that be the next breen ship giveaway? :3
  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I think its about time they admitted that they just cannot cope with the scope of the project and give it over to somebody who can.

    It's not that they can't, they choose not to. They're convinced that their survival depends on catering to the majority but they don't want to lose the minority players so they say they will do something, put in a half-hearted attempt (ya, I'm an optimist) then can't deliver so they re-promise something in the future.

    Look at the anniversary mission, the KDF version is exactly the same as the Fed. They couldn't even swap out the ship (guess that would hose the tasha character appearance) without a major dialog re-write.

    Season 8 better be spectacular. If not, theres always next year.
    ;)
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  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,334 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Well forgive me for my earlier remark if you managed to read it before branflakes took it down but I have to say that cryptic is doing good.I mean seriously this game was free MMO of the year and I'm sure cryptic does their best so think about that next time you bad mouth them.
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  • catstarstocatstarsto Member Posts: 2,149 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Aw come on guys, its free. You didnt have to buy anything, they gave away some items for free. This should be a cool thing for people who cant afford to buy the other items. I know, meet me as ESD and ill buy you a drink to toast to the celebration ^^
  • bloctoadbloctoad Member Posts: 660 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    lordmalak1 wrote: »
    It's not that they can't, they choose not to. They're convinced that their survival depends on catering to the majority but they don't want to lose the minority players so they say they will do something, put in a half-hearted attempt (ya, I'm an optimist) then can't deliver so they re-promise something in the future.

    Look at the anniversary mission, the KDF version is exactly the same as the Fed. They couldn't even swap out the ship (guess that would hose the tasha character appearance) without a major dialog re-write.

    Season 8 better be spectacular. If not, theres always next year.
    ;)

    Indeed. Given the fragile state of affairs of the prime STO timeline and the volatile backstory presented in the Tholian timeline, I would have no reason to trust or take anything at face value as delivered by Yar, Drake, or Castillo. There would be no reason for me to stake my occupation and livelihood, temporally tampered or not, on the word of a few humans.
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  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    bloctoad wrote: »
    Indeed. Given the fragile state of affairs of the prime STO timeline and the volatile backstory presented in the Tholian timeline, I would have no reason to trust or take anything at face value as delivered by Yar, Drake, or Castillo. There would be no reason for me to stake my occupation and livelihood, temporally tampered or not, on the word of a few humans.

    LOL, as an above poster put it - it's free. So I'm obliged to forgive them for maiking my Klingon toons rescue Enterprise-C, then giving me something else when I complete the mission.

    :D
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  • catstarstocatstarsto Member Posts: 2,149 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    lordmalak1 wrote: »
    LOL, as an above poster put it - it's free. So I'm obliged to forgive them for maiking my Klingon toons rescue Enterprise-C, then giving me something else when I complete the mission.

    :D

    *Facepaw* lol
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    They could have wrote it better for the Klingons, but the Klingons are no better off than the Humans so a universe where they are free, but Humans are still around is much better than being slaves or dead. Besides what Klingon ship could they have used that would have the same impact as the Enterprise-C? There would have to be a Klingon ship that traveled through time and whose disappearance would cause a monumental change to history. Unfortunately none come to mind.
  • mrlee9569mrlee9569 Member Posts: 78 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    lordmalak1 wrote: »

    Season 8 better be spectacular. If not, theres always next year.
    ;)

    I've heard that with Season 4,5,6,7. And Ill keep hearing it for 8.9.10....

    I quit STO after season 4 and just came back a couple of days ago. PLENTY of changes and stuff for me to do now! :)
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Season 8 is the key. With Cryptic bragging how they doubled the number of their staff, about Season 8 being bigger than a season and having more than half a year since the launch of S7 to the launch of S8, one would expect to see the fruits of their success and hard work.
    Since they managed to increase staff, one would expect that they are finally doing well now and with increased numbers they can catter to the neglected parts of STO.

    Needles to say, I don't expect KDF to ever be on the same level as the Feds. The Fed. has more players and is the rich utopia type. KDF has less and it's the sturdy warrior faction. And that is ok.
    I would be satisfied if we get 1 KDF ship for every 3 Fed. I would be satisfied if we get 1 costume for every 3 or 4 the Fed. gets. That would be ok.
    What is not ok is the statement they made that KDF will not be getting ships in the Z-Store any time soon. What is not ok is when asked about KDF ships getting the answer that the KDF will have ships availible from the next lock box. Well, so will the Feds. So what? If they made faction specific ships in the lockboxes like the temporal one was, I would understand this. But, I don't want my Klingon in a slow fat-TRIBBLE Jem'Hadar Dreadnought. I want it in a Klingon design.

    Like I said, I don't expect KDF to be ever at the same level as the Fed. Nor do I insist on it. What I consider to be finished KDF faction is having the opportunity to have the 30% from what the Fed. gets, but this to be done constantly. I'll consider KDF finished when I have missions and FEs thay would give me that Klingon feel instead of nonsence like "make Cassidy a nerve tonic". Or a Klingon Captain, Nausicaan pirate and Orion marauder beam to Drozana in TOS era and McCoy gives them a hypospray and is like "let's save some people now."
    *facepalm* If they saw this trio in TOS timeline, they'd sound the alarm :D

    I don't expect miracles in S8, but it will be the key to see if anyone is serious about KDF development any more.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    You've stated that you thought that the upcoming Season Eight release would be "big" for the Klingon faction. Do you have anything you can add to that?

    We've stopped calling it a season for starters. When we look at all the time and energy being put into this next update, it feels like it's shaping into something much larger. While we haven't shared specifics yet, we will be detailing our plans for the Klingon faction in the coming months.

    Toss in the Romulan page stuff, the Friday screenshot, etc, etc, etc... and well, it's hard not to read the above as:

    We've stopped calling it a season for starters. When we look at all the time and energy being put into this Romulan update, it feels like it's shaping into something much larger.

    While we haven't shared specifics yet, we will be detailing our plans for the Klingon faction down the road in the coming months.
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    You've stated that you thought that the upcoming Season Eight release would be "big" for the Klingon faction. Do you have anything you can add to that?

    Anything? How about the 1000 times that mr.Stahl stated that there will be no new factions added untill the KDF is complete.

    Now, excuse me if I don't consider the winter jackets as a Klingon uniform options, although I use them on every KDF toon in the lack of real options. Excuse me, but I don't consider KDF complete yet, not because it's not on par with the Fed. - which it'll never be, but because I'm offered to play Fed. FEs coloured in red atm.

    I don't have anything against a Romulan faction. I wholeheartedly endorse it. I always wanted to PvP against Romulan players in their Warbirds, the Feds. just don't amuse me that much. lol :D
    I could live with KDF's current arsenal of ships, it's fine by mine standards. But if Rommies are comming in S8 like you say, I'd expect a couple of costume options for the KDF, storyline that would be around the Empire's perception of the developments not the Federation, with unique mission content for the KDF. And possibly a couple of patrol missions in Klingon Space, like the Fed. has.
    This would make S8 "big" for the KDF for me. Not some delusional dream that KDF will ever equal the Feds.

    And just for the record, we can't add much more than the Romulan teaser poster to the thesis that there is a Romulan faction on the way. It could mean pretty much anything at this point.

    If you're completely right though and I'm completely wrong about KDF getting anything out of S8, that would imply that someone is lying and I don't want to call anyone a liar, not just yet...;)
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  • warbird001warbird001 Member Posts: 246 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I just feel sorry for KDF players, its so hard to get used to a string of broken promises and I personally think they should just try to develop the KDF BEFORE tackling the Romulans. I've read posts where I've been appalled by Dan Stahl's attitude towards Klingon players. He seems somewhat belligerent when KDF players go to him for complaints about the quality of the project he is managing.

    Can I also state that he left the project once before as well and only came back when PW offered him a fair bit of money. I think we personally need an executive producer who is going to be more straight up and not content to lie to us all the time. A little bit of honest from Cryptic would go a long way.

    If Cryptic would just admit that the Klingons need work and actually spend some time doing it, even if it took a while and it was a gradual process. But they cut the bull and just were honest with the player-base with what they were doing. This game would instantly be better.
  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    starkaos wrote: »
    They could have wrote it better for the Klingons, but the Klingons are no better off than the Humans so a universe where they are free, but Humans are still around is much better than being slaves or dead. Besides what Klingon ship could they have used that would have the same impact as the Enterprise-C? There would have to be a Klingon ship that traveled through time and whose disappearance would cause a monumental change to history. Unfortunately none come to mind.

    Forgive me for not having an answer but I missed the episode about Enterprise-C causing a monumental change to history. If a young Gorkon or Martok had been onboard one of the pursuing klingon ships mentioned in the mission it would likely have made more sense to my KDF toons rescuing the captured captain and his kamarag, without changing anything else in the mission except to have the option to have him distract the guard.
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  • cjtombraider#7376 cjtombraider Member Posts: 71 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I think they just need to get rid of all the red stuff on the KDF side. Then I'd play it more.
  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,246 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Give up? Oh please, that's just what the Feds want us to do ;)

    Btw, a 'string of broken promises' to you is merely standard business wording for me. Everything they say is not set in stone, merely 'We're gonna TRY to get this done by then'. They get it done, then great, if not, then changes/setbacks/etc happened and we continue onward like normal.

    It's a subtle distinction, but a crucial one.
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  • stirling191stirling191 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    shpoks wrote: »

    Anything? How about the 1000 times that mr.Stahl stated that there will be no new factions added untill the KDF is complete.

    Stahl flat out lying about major content details is far from without precedent.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    scimitar2 wrote: »
    I think they just need to get rid of all the red stuff on the KDF side. Then I'd play it more.

    It's like regular soda vs. diet soda. Once you get used to diet soda, regular soda tastes funny. Having gotten used to the red, the blue seems awkward.
  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    The days of whinning should be behind us at this point. They have constantly stringed us along, yes. They copy/paste us into endgame and new missions, yes.

    Its time to be the stoic faction and just wait to see if this new promise/hint/ whatever of upcomming KDF content comes to be or falls through again.

    We lose nothing at this point if they fail to deliver but they lose potientail revenue.

    I do hold some hope that the new year holds more for us as promised (no rse before the KDF is completed) and we can finally burry the hatchet and just enjoy the game.
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    It's like regular soda vs. diet soda. Once you get used to diet soda, regular soda tastes funny. Having gotten used to the red, the blue seems awkward.

    +1 on this :cool:
    Stahl flat out lying about major content details is far from without precedent.

    Yeah, I know, but to be fair the situation for Cryptic has not been quite rosy in the past. If I look really really hard into it, I can find some logical reason for their past broken promises even if I don't agree with them nor understand their perception.
    But now when they say they doubled the staff and have more positions opened, I'm safe to say they're doing well (which I'm happy for) and they will not have any excuse on not delivering more to the KDF.

    @bitemepwe - I share your feeling of optimism for the KDF about the upcomming year. I'm not sure why, but I feel we'll start to get a few nice things here and there that would help the KDF becomming more complete over time.
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  • evendzharevendzhar Member Posts: 209 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    lordmalak1 wrote: »
    Forgive me for not having an answer but I missed the episode about Enterprise-C causing a monumental change to history.
    Watch Yesterday's Enterprise or read the Memory Alpha page on the episode and all will be revealed.

    I don't mind piloting the Enterprise as a Klingon, but at the very least the dialogue should have been changed to make more sense. Why does Yar expect a member of the KDF to care about changing the Federation back to the way it used to be? That would not be in the interests of the Empire.
  • hank900hank900 Member Posts: 88 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    In making more money, they are now able to hire more to put more content in so

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  • mustafatennickmustafatennick Member Posts: 868 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I like the way they can come on and delete posts for violations but don't come on to explain what's going to happen

    I love this game but its so hard for new players to get into it because of lack of information and misinformation

    I really hope they don't bring a new faction out and chose to finish the factions they've got klinks really need some help science wise and raptorwise not to mention the glitches witch come with levelling up
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  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,246 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    shpoks wrote: »
    +1 on this :cool:
    Seconded :D I used to play Fed all the time, then I got into the KDF and suddenly when I went back to check on a few things, I had visual whiplash... and it still looks odd to this day ;)
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  • ninten92ninten92 Member Posts: 68 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I agree with more KDF content, or at least a re-write of all the KDF (Shared FED) mission dialogue so it's consistent.

    Hey, I'd even be okay with re-using a few Federation costume packs for the KDF, like the Bajoran and Mercenary gear. Another idea is, make the species-exclusive costume parts like the Orion and Nausican gear available for all characters, or at least the Alien option.

    It's rehashing the little things, yes, but it's a start.
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