Don't see why people hate this ship. Throw an escort build on it, a sci with some hazards and you have a kick TRIBBLE killer.
Maybe not in PVP, but in PVE it's a monster.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
This thread should be renamed "I am utter garbage with the Breen Chel'gret Warship". I think it's far more appropriate, especially considering I have run the breen ship on a number of different toons with all 3 careers, I have as of yet to find one that it fails with. In fact more often than not, it's doing more damage than most of the other ships I run with, and living more often. Just an hour ago, I ran an ESTF in which there was an Oddy (friend of mine, I know his build, and it's pretty damn good), and he and I were arguing over aggro (he's got 4 points in TC), and he died more than I did, despite his ship being tankier on paper.
Maybe its not up with the G2W lockbox ships but the damn thing is a monster, I rather not risk a BoP on a STF and so far I seem to have died because the Borg decide I am too dangerous to live and gang up on me.
Hehehe been there. Using BoP in STF is "cloak, buff, close point blank range, kill something and get out". The BoP has some nice offense, but little stamina.
Even with my current rainbow set (restarted char before X-mas, still refitting my BoP) i kill cubes with this strategy. Spheres are always a pain, but cubes are no problem.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
Umm... I Rip ESTF's and PVP apart in this ship from what I have used it on so far. This Ship outclasses The Armitage and the Steam Runner/Blockade Runner in my Opinion. Looking at what you shown for your BOFF skills and weapon Load outs, you claim to "know how to play the game" I call very much questionable, apparently Everyone else in this thread has as well.
I will not go into how I have mine setup, but I will say, You need to either Respec your Captain or Decide what your Captain is going to be doing in his Career.
Agreed! I spent the last few days studying as much as I could on PVP BoFF & Doff layouts. This included reading through the Hillbert Guide a few dozen times.I even went so far as to RESPEC yesterday based on some excellent advice found in the froums and as well the viewable builds with medals via the Skill Builder. In the end I find myself wiping out Elite Borg probes and spheres whilst not having lost too much of the endurance this ship has by getting ride of some of the heals. I also wiped out the entire 'gimmick' consoles bar one, the original Breen dissipator, (freaken Rom Rep system takes forever to build Rom marks for the ZPM) though that will be gone soon too.
Furthermore, since this thread has started I have seen half a dozen or so of these ships in PVP and let me tell you, they are mopping up the floor with everything and everyone!
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Agreed! I spent the last few days studying as much as I could on PVP BoFF & Doff layouts. This included reading through the Hillbert Guide a few dozen times.I even went so far as to RESPEC yesterday based on some excellent advice found in the froums and as well the viewable builds with medals via the Skill Builder. In the end I find myself wiping out Elite Borg probes and spheres whilst not having lost too much of the endurance this ship has by getting ride of some of the heals. I also wiped out the entire 'gimmick' consoles bar one, the original Breen dissipator, (freaken Rom Rep system takes forever to build Rom marks for the ZPM) though that will be gone soon too.
Furthermore, since this thread has started I have seen half a dozen or so of these ships in PVP and let me tell you, they are mopping up the floor with everything and everyone!
Thats funny you say moping the floor with everyone..that everyone must not include myself..I find the breen crapship likes to explode rather quickly when i drop out of Cloak on my fleet tac escort refit.
Cant be a coincidence, every breen ship i encounter seems to explode when i encounter them..must be a bug eh?
The ship is garbage, there is a reason its free. Im sorry if u wasted 20 something of your days or 300 bucks to find that out, but accept the fact
For pvp...you may be correct. For pve....you are mistaken!
Edit: I challenge you to take aggro from me in ISE. PLEASE!
I am having trouble passing it because I am a DPS machine in the Breen.
Good luck!
Look, more mirror universe ship captains defending their free breen ship rofl..
Now that im done with this thread, and that ive proven along with the OP what a pile of garbage this breen ship is, ill ignore any responses in this thread.
I can understand why you want to like the breen ship and why you want it so desperately to be a good ship, but it is simply not.
I can either utilize my fleet advanced heavy cruiser or my fleet tac escort and destroy any breen ship with any loadout there is.
The ship is weak..the structural integrity is low, its a escort wannabe with a worse turn rate and a lower hull than a cruiser..im sorry, its garbage.
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Look, more mirror universe ship captains defending their free breen ship rofl..
Now that im done with this thread, and that ive proven along with the OP what a pile of garbage this breen ship is, ill ignore any responses in this thread.
I can understand why you want to like the breen ship and why you want it so desperately to be a good ship, but it is simply not.
I can either utilize my fleet advanced heavy cruiser or my fleet tac escort and destroy any breen ship with any loadout there is.
The ship is weak..the structural integrity is low, its a escort wannabe with a worse turn rate and a lower hull than a cruiser..im sorry, its garbage.
Im done , enjoy your free ship rofl.
big talk for someone that's only been in the game for 2-3 months.
i may be an 'ol timer from ancient days' but after a year, i've learned that in PVE turnrate isnt going to save your life. thats why bugships suck in most STF. you need survivability and damage.
the breenship has enough tactical slots to do alot of damage. even if it couldnt equip cannons it'd be a great ship. its got enough turnrate to be very effective. its got enough damage to be very powerful. its got enough science and engie that a smart person can survive in it for a very long time.
however while this ship is great, i will always prefer my fleet ships. simply because they are cooler.
Now that im done with this thread, and that ive proven along with the OP what a pile of garbage this breen ship is, ill ignore any responses in this thread.
Um... You haven't proven anything. You haven't brought in screenshots of your destruction of breen ships, you haven't brought in any statistics.
Your proof is your word only. Nothing else. And tbh, on the internet, that's not worth much of anything.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
Look, more mirror universe ship captains defending their free breen ship rofl..
Now that im done with this thread, and that ive proven along with the OP what a pile of garbage this breen ship is, ill ignore any responses in this thread.
I can understand why you want to like the breen ship and why you want it so desperately to be a good ship, but it is simply not.
I can either utilize my fleet advanced heavy cruiser or my fleet tac escort and destroy any breen ship with any loadout there is.
The ship is weak..the structural integrity is low, its a escort wannabe with a worse turn rate and a lower hull than a cruiser..im sorry, its garbage.
Im done , enjoy your free ship rofl.
You didn't even refute his claim that the Breen ship was useful in PvE. As for blowing up Breen ships in PvP, I do agree that the Breen ship is somewhat inferior in PvP, due to the maneuverability issue. However, there is something you should keep in mind. Given that many are trying out the ship and experimenting with it, it is only logical to think that most of its pilots are either still getting used to the ship or just not skilled enough to build it properly. Therefore, there is a statistically higher chance of meeting new players who pilot it.
Furthermore, the 'proof' you offer that the ship is lousy is equal to that offered by the supporters of the ship: personal experience. In fact, if you haven't noticed, its 'structural integrity' or rather hull strength is equal to that of the Vor'cha Retrofit, and higher than that of the Chimera. Lower hull than a cruiser? Of course! However, it makes up for it greatly in maneuverability. In fact, I believe the devs balanced this against the Chimera; increased hull strength in exchange for a slightly lower turnrate (1 degree)/
In 1v1 PvP, this ship might even do well against some builds. Fleet Tac Escort Retrofit? VM and what do you do? Fleet Excelsior? This ship has just enough maneuverability to stick to your six, and what will you do then?
Furthermore, to take another example, look at the Vesta. It has a turnrate of 12, and yet people can use dual heavy cannons on it!
On a side note:
Mirror universe ship captains? Seriously, couldn't think of a better insult? Are they somehow inferior to prime universe ships? How about the Mobius? The Mirror Qin? That was just plain pitiful.
Thats funny you say moping the floor with everyone..that everyone must not include myself..I find the breen crapship likes to explode rather quickly when i drop out of Cloak on my fleet tac escort refit.
Cant be a coincidence, every breen ship i encounter seems to explode when i encounter them..must be a bug eh?
The ship is garbage, there is a reason its free. Im sorry if u wasted 20 something of your days or 300 bucks to find that out, but accept the fact
Good day
The reason why so many blow up is because of how many have been picked up. There a bad players using them too. I've seen plenty of FAW beam Chel's out there and am still shaking my head.
I have seen plenty of good players in Chel's using their "crapship" to deadly effect in PvP and PvE.
The Chel' isn't an "I win" ship, it still takes a good build and a person who has a good idea of how to use it to make it awesome.
I use the build linked below and I can't say I've ever had an issue with this ship. Going from Escort Carrier to this, I notice the difference, especially with staying alive. The only thing I'm waiting for now is to get my Fleet Escort Carrier - Problem is, not everyone is the same when running a ship, different setups or skill when using them, I know theres definately a few players out there that beat on me on PVP but then I'm more for the PVE anyway. It's a shame people can't just share their views on something in a mature manner with constructive feedback. Oh well....
The reason why so many blow up is because of how many have been picked up. There a bad players using them too. I've seen plenty of FAW beam Chel's out there and am still shaking my head.
I have seen plenty of good players in Chel's using their "crapship" to deadly effect in PvP and PvE.
The Chel' isn't an "I win" ship, it still takes a good build and a person who has a good idea of how to use it to make it awesome.
^this.
It's the same with any new ship. There's a rush to get it. Most will blow up often, then go back to whatever they were using before.
Good Breen ships will be more commonly seen as players get used to it and develop a workable fighting style for them.
The same is, ironically true for real world fighting machines.
It's not that the vehicle or aircraft is TRIBBLE. In the case of Japanese Zero vs early Allied fighters, the Zero dominated the battlespace until Allied pilots knew -not- to turn with the Zero but use boom and zoom tactics. The Zero was gradually then totally outclassed by new tactics and equipment.
Likewise in STO, tactics and doctrine have to be matched with the ship's capability.
It would also appear that the "DHC cruiser" is really nothing new - Klingons had them since forever. So, as others have posted, don't bash the ship. It's not the ship at fault.
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The reason why so many blow up is because of how many have been picked up. There a bad players using them too. I've seen plenty of FAW beam Chel's out there and am still shaking my head.
I have seen plenty of good players in Chel's using their "crapship" to deadly effect in PvP and PvE.
The Chel' isn't an "I win" ship, it still takes a good build and a person who has a good idea of how to use it to make it awesome.
Agree, its all about the player and their skills. I personally fly a Mirror Assault Cruiser (54k hull and 8k shields with the borg set on it.) and i play the tank role of my group. i can take the best hit from anyone in this game 1v1 and still tell the tale. so PVE is no issue while doing ESTFs. while i do not do the most amazing damage with my cruiser i still heal my entire team when needed and can take massive hit while pulling all aggro. now there are time where i mess up and hit a skill to fast or hit the wrong skill and leads to my demise but if done properly, i'm a pretty good tank. (weapons: fore: 2 beam arrays and 2 cannons :: aft : 4 beam arrays)
Now, i also fly the chel' warship as of recently and have the breen set on it, (47k hull and about 9k shields) and i fly that for more of a punch than what my cruiser can give with less tanking but it depends on what im doing.... i know that my healing abilities are more limited in this but that is why i fly it differently while still pulling all aggro.... FYI the chel is not for beam arrays at all,(weapons: fore:2 cannons, 1 DHC, ! rapid reload torp :: atf: 3 turrets, 1 cutting beam)
so i agree, it is all about the player and their skills...
I saw this post and thought that it can't really be that bad, can it ? I put it to the test!
A few hundred Lobi crystals later and it was sat in my ship yard getting fitted out with fleet issue weapons. Whaat, whaaat, whaaaaaaaht! 4 slots for turrets on the back!? Amazing, just boost the weapons power a little and its' a pure DPS machine. Who needs a tank when you have cruisers for that?
This ship eats borg for breakfast. With the right setup it's dps is pretty insane.
I'm not the best at setting up ships, and having a yhear off didnt help either, but here's how I set it up.
Kitted out with the Mk XI Borg shields, impulse and deflector along with the assimilated module.
4* 28 + damage to disruptor tatical consoles.
Boff setup was the usual tatical setup for rapid fire, spread and tatical team 1, some hull regen skills, reverse shield polairty and hazard emitters. (ie, oh **** get out of dodge moments).
I have a few of the nice Doff's including the +10% dmg to borg one, but notyhing else special.
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As with all tatical ships, you should not be taking damage, or at least tanking things. If you see a plasma torp coming at you, either shoot it down or get out of the way.
It's the same with any new ship. There's a rush to get it. Most will blow up often, then go back to whatever they were using before.
Good Breen ships will be more commonly seen as players get used to it and develop a workable fighting style for them.
The same is, ironically true for real world fighting machines.
It's not that the vehicle or aircraft is TRIBBLE. In the case of Japanese Zero vs early Allied fighters, the Zero dominated the battlespace until Allied pilots knew -not- to turn with the Zero but use boom and zoom tactics. The Zero was gradually then totally outclassed by new tactics and equipment.
Likewise in STO, tactics and doctrine have to be matched with the ship's capability.
It would also appear that the "DHC cruiser" is really nothing new - Klingons had them since forever. So, as others have posted, don't bash the ship. It's not the ship at fault.
Yeah, Zeros had a much tighter turning radius. But.... they couldn't take a hit. It's kinda like comparing a BoP to a Chimera.
Anyways the point is to play to YOUR strengths not your enemy's. What can YOU do well? One of the more amusing tactics the allied pilots would use was to turn towards each other when they had Zeros chasing them. Why? Since Zeros had no armor even an accidental hit from friendly fire could do serious damage.
Yeah, Zeros had a much tighter turning radius. But.... they couldn't take a hit. It's kinda like comparing a BoP to a Chimera.
Anyways the point is to play to YOUR strengths not your enemy's. What can YOU do well? One of the more amusing tactics the allied pilots would use was to turn towards each other when they had Zeros chasing them. Why? Since Zeros had no armor even an accidental hit from friendly fire could do serious damage.
Don't forget the P-47 combat dictum, "When in doubt, DIVE, nothing out-dives a 'Jug'".
Just curious, what shield are you using? ....and what is the regen rate for it?
I have both borg sets on mine, with three field generators.... the passive regens of the borg sets are great!
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Adapted maco deflector and shield. I never cared much for regen (I use heals for that) but it is one of the lowest out of the stf sets.
Set bonus is
+8.8 aux power
25% projectile bonus
Crew bonuses
I don't have the three piece bonus...but it has something to do with giving stealth to yourself and anyone within a 5k bubble. It also applies a defensive bonus.
The engine is also the fastest turning and works at low power levels.
I am currently using the romulan prototype engine for giggles!
Edit: I forgot to add...two field gens and a romulan science console.
The Damage out put on this ship is crazy.That is what it is made for you have to use cannons on this ship if you use beams then you ant doing TRIBBLE damage.Cannons are the best way to go for this kinda ship not beams.
I am not even maxed out on my damage yet and still per shot on front cannons with just normal attacks i am putting out 1,000 two 2,500 per shot with my front cannons and with my 4 turrets i am doing between 100 to 500 or more if i boost.
And this is just with my weapons at 75% level and my shields are at 75%.
Most of my gear is not even at MK XII yet.my weapons are but my disruptor induction coils are only mk xi white not mk xii purple.
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I know it's not the usual setup, but i'm running beams, wide angle quan, and a quan mine on my breen ship for my engie. Works out awesome, can always broadside and torp mobs and then use my jemmy officer for both beta dispersal pattern 3 and torp spread 3.
So after collecting the 1000 photos I needed to get this ship I take it out for a spin with the best of the best that I have (antiproton cannons, the Maco MKXII set, tricobalt device (antiborg) MK XII Rapid Reload Transphasic Torpedoes MK XI, Neutronium Plating X 3 granting 50% resistance against both kinetic and energy weapon damage, etc etc) I go into a standard STF with my stations set, play like I normally would and I die in the first five seconds without reason. One moment I'm at full health the second I'm down to 3% and I've been hit once. Power distribution dropped. In the same STF I died 8 times with this ship where with the Vesta or even the mirror universe Recon-Science ship I'd maybe die once normally.
This ship is supposed to be on par with the Dreadnaught for the most part according to the website yet it is HORRIBLY underpowered. I thought the Vesta was bad and no where near what they said it was but this ship is utter uter Shista.
I'm not happy right now that they wasted my time and my resources for such a poorly designed "warship". Even the Galor warship lasts longer than this thing and it's hull is 3000 points lower than the Ghet warship.
And now that I've been reading about the kinetic 360 weapon I'm debating quitting this game all over again. The developers are purposefully under powering weapons and ships for supposed game balance which is truly stupid.
i dont have any resist consoles and using KHG engines and deflector with a xii shild is got out of a lock box not having any problems with ship its a fine ship.
Now I'm trying it out as a torp boat, and things are still dying. Darn it!
The BG is a warship in name only. It's more an heavily armed escort or Vesta class cruiser. I load out with Tet heavy cannons and turrets to shred shields, and rapid reload trans torps plus the cluster torp that does devestating damage when shields are down. Get as many cannon and torp BO skills as you can, Plasma and Kenetic consoles for STF's, MACO shield and Borg engine and deflector for regen, lotsa shield and hull heals. Take advantage of its fast turns and speed, don't sit there and slug it out like the Odyssey cruisers.
I tested the Chel Grett out in Gorn Mine Field against the Fleet Advanced Escort and Mobius Destroyer. The Chel Grett consistently placed 1st, while the other two ships always placed 2nd despite running nearly the same BOFF + DOFF set-ups on all of them. I know I need to run more test trials, but based on initial results, it seems like the 4th aft weapon slot makes a bigger DPS difference than a 5th tac console slot.
I know it's not the usual setup, but i'm running beams, wide angle quan, and a quan mine on my breen ship for my engie. Works out awesome, can always broadside and torp mobs and then use my jemmy officer for both beta dispersal pattern 3 and torp spread 3.
Have tried Tricobalt? Hehe.... dump a tric DPB3 on top of a Borg cube.
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Maybe not in PVP, but in PVE it's a monster.
This guy has said it all!
Hehehe been there. Using BoP in STF is "cloak, buff, close point blank range, kill something and get out". The BoP has some nice offense, but little stamina.
Even with my current rainbow set (restarted char before X-mas, still refitting my BoP) i kill cubes with this strategy. Spheres are always a pain, but cubes are no problem.
Agreed! I spent the last few days studying as much as I could on PVP BoFF & Doff layouts. This included reading through the Hillbert Guide a few dozen times.I even went so far as to RESPEC yesterday based on some excellent advice found in the froums and as well the viewable builds with medals via the Skill Builder. In the end I find myself wiping out Elite Borg probes and spheres whilst not having lost too much of the endurance this ship has by getting ride of some of the heals. I also wiped out the entire 'gimmick' consoles bar one, the original Breen dissipator, (freaken Rom Rep system takes forever to build Rom marks for the ZPM) though that will be gone soon too.
Furthermore, since this thread has started I have seen half a dozen or so of these ships in PVP and let me tell you, they are mopping up the floor with everything and everyone!
Thats funny you say moping the floor with everyone..that everyone must not include myself..I find the breen crapship likes to explode rather quickly when i drop out of Cloak on my fleet tac escort refit.
Cant be a coincidence, every breen ship i encounter seems to explode when i encounter them..must be a bug eh?
The ship is garbage, there is a reason its free. Im sorry if u wasted 20 something of your days or 300 bucks to find that out, but accept the fact
Good day
Look, more mirror universe ship captains defending their free breen ship rofl..
Now that im done with this thread, and that ive proven along with the OP what a pile of garbage this breen ship is, ill ignore any responses in this thread.
I can understand why you want to like the breen ship and why you want it so desperately to be a good ship, but it is simply not.
I can either utilize my fleet advanced heavy cruiser or my fleet tac escort and destroy any breen ship with any loadout there is.
The ship is weak..the structural integrity is low, its a escort wannabe with a worse turn rate and a lower hull than a cruiser..im sorry, its garbage.
Im done , enjoy your free ship rofl.
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big talk for someone that's only been in the game for 2-3 months.
i may be an 'ol timer from ancient days' but after a year, i've learned that in PVE turnrate isnt going to save your life. thats why bugships suck in most STF. you need survivability and damage.
the breenship has enough tactical slots to do alot of damage. even if it couldnt equip cannons it'd be a great ship. its got enough turnrate to be very effective. its got enough damage to be very powerful. its got enough science and engie that a smart person can survive in it for a very long time.
however while this ship is great, i will always prefer my fleet ships. simply because they are cooler.
Um... You haven't proven anything. You haven't brought in screenshots of your destruction of breen ships, you haven't brought in any statistics.
Your proof is your word only. Nothing else. And tbh, on the internet, that's not worth much of anything.
You didn't even refute his claim that the Breen ship was useful in PvE. As for blowing up Breen ships in PvP, I do agree that the Breen ship is somewhat inferior in PvP, due to the maneuverability issue. However, there is something you should keep in mind. Given that many are trying out the ship and experimenting with it, it is only logical to think that most of its pilots are either still getting used to the ship or just not skilled enough to build it properly. Therefore, there is a statistically higher chance of meeting new players who pilot it.
Furthermore, the 'proof' you offer that the ship is lousy is equal to that offered by the supporters of the ship: personal experience. In fact, if you haven't noticed, its 'structural integrity' or rather hull strength is equal to that of the Vor'cha Retrofit, and higher than that of the Chimera. Lower hull than a cruiser? Of course! However, it makes up for it greatly in maneuverability. In fact, I believe the devs balanced this against the Chimera; increased hull strength in exchange for a slightly lower turnrate (1 degree)/
In 1v1 PvP, this ship might even do well against some builds. Fleet Tac Escort Retrofit? VM and what do you do? Fleet Excelsior? This ship has just enough maneuverability to stick to your six, and what will you do then?
Furthermore, to take another example, look at the Vesta. It has a turnrate of 12, and yet people can use dual heavy cannons on it!
On a side note:
Mirror universe ship captains? Seriously, couldn't think of a better insult? Are they somehow inferior to prime universe ships? How about the Mobius? The Mirror Qin? That was just plain pitiful.
The reason why so many blow up is because of how many have been picked up. There a bad players using them too. I've seen plenty of FAW beam Chel's out there and am still shaking my head.
I have seen plenty of good players in Chel's using their "crapship" to deadly effect in PvP and PvE.
The Chel' isn't an "I win" ship, it still takes a good build and a person who has a good idea of how to use it to make it awesome.
http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/index.php?build=ChelGrettTac_2583
^this.
It's the same with any new ship. There's a rush to get it. Most will blow up often, then go back to whatever they were using before.
Good Breen ships will be more commonly seen as players get used to it and develop a workable fighting style for them.
The same is, ironically true for real world fighting machines.
It's not that the vehicle or aircraft is TRIBBLE. In the case of Japanese Zero vs early Allied fighters, the Zero dominated the battlespace until Allied pilots knew -not- to turn with the Zero but use boom and zoom tactics. The Zero was gradually then totally outclassed by new tactics and equipment.
Likewise in STO, tactics and doctrine have to be matched with the ship's capability.
It would also appear that the "DHC cruiser" is really nothing new - Klingons had them since forever. So, as others have posted, don't bash the ship. It's not the ship at fault.
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That's pretty much what could be said for both sides of this issue but Meh.. There are some nuggets though...
Agree, its all about the player and their skills. I personally fly a Mirror Assault Cruiser (54k hull and 8k shields with the borg set on it.) and i play the tank role of my group. i can take the best hit from anyone in this game 1v1 and still tell the tale. so PVE is no issue while doing ESTFs. while i do not do the most amazing damage with my cruiser i still heal my entire team when needed and can take massive hit while pulling all aggro. now there are time where i mess up and hit a skill to fast or hit the wrong skill and leads to my demise but if done properly, i'm a pretty good tank. (weapons: fore: 2 beam arrays and 2 cannons :: aft : 4 beam arrays)
Now, i also fly the chel' warship as of recently and have the breen set on it, (47k hull and about 9k shields) and i fly that for more of a punch than what my cruiser can give with less tanking but it depends on what im doing.... i know that my healing abilities are more limited in this but that is why i fly it differently while still pulling all aggro.... FYI the chel is not for beam arrays at all,(weapons: fore:2 cannons, 1 DHC, ! rapid reload torp :: atf: 3 turrets, 1 cutting beam)
so i agree, it is all about the player and their skills...
A few hundred Lobi crystals later and it was sat in my ship yard getting fitted out with fleet issue weapons. Whaat, whaaat, whaaaaaaaht! 4 slots for turrets on the back!? Amazing, just boost the weapons power a little and its' a pure DPS machine. Who needs a tank when you have cruisers for that?
This ship eats borg for breakfast. With the right setup it's dps is pretty insane.
I'm not the best at setting up ships, and having a yhear off didnt help either, but here's how I set it up.
*Cannons cannon cannons*
Weaps:
Front 2 * Fleet DHCP Disruptors (crit), 2 * Fleet Disrupter Turrets (Acc)
Rear 4 * Fleet Disrupter Turrets (2 * acc and 2* crit multiplyer)
Kitted out with the Mk XI Borg shields, impulse and deflector along with the assimilated module.
4* 28 + damage to disruptor tatical consoles.
Boff setup was the usual tatical setup for rapid fire, spread and tatical team 1, some hull regen skills, reverse shield polairty and hazard emitters. (ie, oh **** get out of dodge moments).
I have a few of the nice Doff's including the +10% dmg to borg one, but notyhing else special.
Weapon batters in devices
As with all tatical ships, you should not be taking damage, or at least tanking things. If you see a plasma torp coming at you, either shoot it down or get out of the way.
Anyways the point is to play to YOUR strengths not your enemy's. What can YOU do well? One of the more amusing tactics the allied pilots would use was to turn towards each other when they had Zeros chasing them. Why? Since Zeros had no armor even an accidental hit from friendly fire could do serious damage.
My character Tsin'xing
My Breen is running with 48,711 hull and 13,912 per shield face....:P
Everything just dies so fast!
Now I'm trying it out as a torp boat, and things are still dying. Darn it!
Wicks and Things: NW-DI4FMZRR4 : The Fenwick merchant family has lost a caravan! Can you help?
Beggar's Hollow: NW-DR6YG4J2L : Someone, or something, has stolen away many of the Fenwicks' children! Can you find out what happened to them?
Into the Fen Wood: NW-DL89DRG7B : Enter the heart of the forest. Can you discover the secret of the Fen Wood?
Just curious, what shield are you using? ....and what is the regen rate for it?
I have both borg sets on mine, with three field generators.... the passive regens of the borg sets are great!
Thx
Locutus
Delirium Tremens
Tier 4 Starbase, Tier 3 Embassy
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Don't forget the P-47 combat dictum, "When in doubt, DIVE, nothing out-dives a 'Jug'".
I have tried to correct this problem with Mk I Phaser Beam Array's all around, I no longer have this problem.
Adapted maco deflector and shield. I never cared much for regen (I use heals for that) but it is one of the lowest out of the stf sets.
Set bonus is
+8.8 aux power
25% projectile bonus
Crew bonuses
I don't have the three piece bonus...but it has something to do with giving stealth to yourself and anyone within a 5k bubble. It also applies a defensive bonus.
The engine is also the fastest turning and works at low power levels.
I am currently using the romulan prototype engine for giggles!
Edit: I forgot to add...two field gens and a romulan science console.
I am not even maxed out on my damage yet and still per shot on front cannons with just normal attacks i am putting out 1,000 two 2,500 per shot with my front cannons and with my 4 turrets i am doing between 100 to 500 or more if i boost.
And this is just with my weapons at 75% level and my shields are at 75%.
Most of my gear is not even at MK XII yet.my weapons are but my disruptor induction coils are only mk xi white not mk xii purple.
i dont have any resist consoles and using KHG engines and deflector with a xii shild is got out of a lock box not having any problems with ship its a fine ship.
The BG is a warship in name only. It's more an heavily armed escort or Vesta class cruiser. I load out with Tet heavy cannons and turrets to shred shields, and rapid reload trans torps plus the cluster torp that does devestating damage when shields are down. Get as many cannon and torp BO skills as you can, Plasma and Kenetic consoles for STF's, MACO shield and Borg engine and deflector for regen, lotsa shield and hull heals. Take advantage of its fast turns and speed, don't sit there and slug it out like the Odyssey cruisers.
My character Tsin'xing