Seven of Nine and the whole Borg/Federation cultural exchange programme.
Totally agree. The same thing in DS9 towards the end. Why do all aliens need to become more human (more precisely Western culture human)? Why can't the Ferengi remain capitalists? Why can't Cardassia be a dictatorship?
Not so much stupid as (unintentionally?) hilarious: the EMH's loading of the word 'Borg', as in "Seven of Nine's Borg implants..."
I mean, what else might we assume they meant? ;-)
Seven of Nine's ... were Borg implants? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!! Why cant u keep that to urself?! You ruined my childhood!!
That was, despite the cornball, one of the better TOS eps. The concept of what a civilization would be like if everyone had telekinetic powers was awesome.
Commodore Decker just lost his crew and proceeds to take command of the Enterprise. After nearly getting the Enterprise destroyed and he's relieved of command, is he sedated then dragged to sickbay? NO! They send one guy to "escort" him to sickbay, resulting in his suicide and....
wait... maybe that wasn't stupid as if it had not happened they wouldn't have found a way to destroy the Doomday Machine.
And green skinned space women... Where'd that idea come from?
*sings* "I like Gammera! He's so neat!!! He is full of turtle meat!!!"
"Hah! You are doomed! You're only armed with that pathetic excuse for a musical instrument!!!" *the Savage Beast moments before Lonnehart the Bard used music to soothe him... then beat him to death with his Fat Lute*
And green skinned space women... Where'd that idea come from?
"Okay, we want her to not be human, but we have a budget of about $10."
Fun story, when they came up with the idea for the Orion slavegirl in "The Cage", they painted Majel Barrett green for screentests to see what she looked like. And after the film came back from processing, Barrett wasn't green. So they kept trying different greens to get one that'd show up on film, to no avail. Turned out the films had been "corrected" by the processing lab because no one had told them that Barret was supposed to be green.
"Okay, we want her to not be human, but we have a budget of about $10."
Fun story, when they came up with the idea for the Orion slavegirl in "The Cage", they painted Majel Barrett green for screentests to see what she looked like. And after the film came back from processing, Barrett wasn't green. So they kept trying different greens to get one that'd show up on film, to no avail. Turned out the films had been "corrected" by the processing lab because no one had told them that Barret was supposed to be green.
Ah yes, most of the Iconic things from TOS came from it's pittance of a budget. The Vulcans, Orions, all the humanoid races really, the ships, the sets, phasers, even the transporter came from the fact they couldn't afford shuttle models to film. :P
I've seen all of Voyager, so I'm going to talk about that. I know it's been talked about already but... it's just stupidly funny to go over this again.
I watched most of it instantly on Netiflix, so there's a little descrpition of what the episode's about. "When a shuttle crashes..." "When Voyager encounters a xenophobic alien race..." Is basically what happens every few episodes. Also, Janeway attempted to destroy Voyager four times and succeded twice. Yet it's still around at the end. Now time to pick out individual ones:
Caretaker: This was a good episode expcept I always wonder why they just didn't set the array to auto-destruct a few minutes after they left.
Threshold: nuff said.
Sacred Ground: Now this was just a bad episode. The Netflix description was "When Kes is injured on an alien planet's sacred ground, Janeway must undergo a spiritual quest to save her life." So you might be thinking, "It can't be as bad as it sound, it's got to have some phaser fire..." No, the description is pretty accurate. It's just not a good plot really.
Then there's the episode withe demon planet. I forgot the name but you know what I'm talking about (hopefully): They say early on, "We shouldn't even get in orbit of the planet." Well guess what, they orbit it, go down in EV suits, and even land Voyager. The plot just gets worse from there, with the Silverblood. Then the sequal. The silverblood apparently copied all of Voyager including the computer, antimatter warp core, and what ever else in onboard. Really? Then at the end the real Voyager detecs traces of what's left of the clone ship, but can't identify it so they move on and the episode is essentially wasted.
Any episodes involving the holodecks malfunctioning: There were many episodes with holodeck malfunctions one of which included a hologram of Seska capturing Tuvok and Paris I think it was. Yeah. Really. Why can they turn the safeties off in the first place?
Voyager was a good series but had its little horror holes here and there that make you want to throw a brick at the TV.
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Sorry about that, but it's just the absolute worst episode of Voyager hands down. It started out good until it got to that part where...
Enterprise opening with that dumb folk song instead of Scott Bakula narrating "Space. The Final Frontier."
Was sitting in a dorm room with a dozen other sci-fi geeks the night that show premiered, everyone waiting for something to cheer for. Turned out to be a looooooot of waiting.
If i remember right they had to rush an ending, okay understandable,.. but to randomly kill off a character? FOR NO REASON. It just made no sense... yet wasn't my biggest gripe,
In a move which in my eyes was saying this entire series was just so a certain commander can make a decision, was disgraceful!
...the same commander that worms his way into VOY and DS9
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TATV is just wrong, those events were a fictional program independent of the series. That saves the stress.
I apply the same to the 2387 portion of XI - all alternate universe.
Canon is what you make of it.
Andorians have 4 sexes.
If i remember right they had to rush an ending, okay understandable,.. but to randomly kill off a character? FOR NO REASON. It just made no sense... yet wasn't my biggest gripe,
In a move which in my eyes was saying this entire series was just so a certain commander can make a decision, was disgraceful!
...the same commander that worms his way into VOY and DS9
Not using the Insurrection cloaking suits in the Dominion War.
Most people have posted what I would have listed. However on this one, I think people have gotten the wrong idea.
Those weren't cloak suits. Those suits were holographically hidden by the same hologram projectors hiding the observation base. Once those emitters were taken out, the suits were visible. Think of it as wearing a green suit in front of a green screen.
On the battle field it could work to an extent. It wouldn't fool sensors, but it could fool a person's natural senses.
Seven of Nine's ... were Borg implants? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!! Why cant u keep that to urself?! You ruined my childhood!!
Actually, I have no idea either way, but I was led to believe that she is/was actually...'unaugmented'.
So there you go; childhood restored.
Re: Green-skinned alien women - provided they look like Susan Oliver, who cares?!
I was actually more troubled by the boot-polish Klingons.
Enterprise: One thing I never got was why the Vulcans were presented as they were. It might have been a long road getting from there to here and all that malarkey, but how do you go from Soval and that whole general attitude to Spock and Sarek?
Though, tbh, I kind of wandered from Enterprise when Archer started morphing into Sam Beckett. All that temporal stuff...NOT WITH SCOTT BAKULA!!
Star Trek V: I almost write it off as a bad dream after Kirk get a concussion falling off a that mountain....
The TOS episode with Jack the Ripper... It would have been ok if they didn't shoehorn in the History part. and the enormous leap of logic to that in the first place -___-
Any episode where they find a planet that was "Just like Earth in X time period." Seriously, it would have been more believable if the Enterprise was the TARDIS and they just happen to be traveling through... Although Sigma Iotia II (The Chicago Gangster planet) was still badass.
Inter-species children... I know that the entire galaxy was seeded by the forerunners to make everyone humanoid. But still, there SHOULD be enough genetic differences after THOUSANDS of years to drift the different species apart so that having healthy children would require more than a one night stand and some hypos.
Earth centrism. Why is EARTH, only ONE of the founding worlds of the Federation, the most important planet in the entire quadrant? How many times has Earth been attacked? How many times has the entire Starfleet been called to defend Earth? Why is the executive, legislative, judicial and military based off this one planet? Why is it that the Map of the entire GALAXY is centered around Earth? Humans were relatively LATE to the Star Trekking game. Why do they get to make the rules?
Multicultural stereotypes. Why is it that an entire race of people is so monotone? "Don't mind him, He is a Klingon, you know how they get." And entire race, and entire species of people are represented in one light. The Klingons are all Honorable Warriors who prefer a direct fight rather than a sly conversation. The Romulans are untrustworthy clever spies and liars. DS9 somewhat shows the other side of these cultures, but always in the light of "Wow.. he is STRANGE for a Ferengi..."
Stupid misuse of technology... Holodeck, Replicators, Transporters... I could go on...
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Star Trek V gets all the "glory" for movie stupidity, but Generations has a virtual slab of Swiss cheese for a plot.
1) The punch line to LaForge's joke ("The clown can stay, but the Ferengi in the gorilla suit has to go") only makes sense if you know what a Ferengi looks like in the first place. But Data says LaForge told that joke during the Farpoint mission, at which point Starfleet still "kn[e]w virtually nothing about" the Ferengi, presumably including what they looked like.
2) If the El-Aurians were fleeing from the Borg in the late 23rd century (and for that matter, if Annika Hansen's parents knew enough about the Borg to study them on their own in the mid-24th), how come Picard acted as though he'd never heard of the Borg before when he first encountered them in "Q Who"?
3) Why doesn't Soran just get himself a thruster-suit (as seen in ST:TMP) and have Lursa and B'Etor drop him off in space in the ribbon's path, so he can fly himself in without trashing a perfectly good ship or having to cause any more mayhem?
4) Assuming Veridian III is about the same distance from its star that Earth is from the sun, it would take light from the star about eight minutes to reach the planet. But when Soran fires his probe, the sun can be seen going dark, from the planet's surface, just seconds later!
5) Why doesn't LaForge eject the warp core (or at least explain to Riker why he can't do so) when it starts to breach!?
6) For two legendary captains, you'd think Kirk and Picard could have come up with a much better gameplan for defeating Soran. Like maybe have Picard go back a few days, send a message to Earth to warn his brother about the fire, and then arrest Soran as soon as they encounter him at Amargosa. Meanwhile, send Kirk back to the Enterprise-B and have him do nothing while the energy ribbon destroys the second ship, thus letting Soran and Guinan remain in the Nexus. (Granted, this would also have retconned Guinan out of the TV series, but it's still a better solution overall than the one they came up with, and certainly a better outcome than having Kirk die and the Enterprise-D get blown to bits.)
7) In the final scene, Picard's apparently nonplussed reaction to the loss of his ship is like Dad giving Son (i.e. Riker) the car keys, Son totaling the family vehicle and Dad being OK with it because Dad's favorite CD (Picard's family album) survived intact. Not to mention that Picard casually tosses aside the Kurlan naiskos - an object he treated with great awe and reverence when he was first given it in sixth season's "The Chase" (and which miraculously seems to have survived the crash intact) - to get to the aforementioned family album.
2) If the El-Aurians were fleeing from the Borg in the late 23rd century (and for that matter, if Annika Hansen's parents knew enough about the Borg to study them on their own in the mid-24th), how come Picard acted as though he'd never heard of the Borg before when he first encountered them in "Q Who"?
Because the El-Aurians were a small group of refugees. We don't know what they new about the Borg, if anything. They probably said, "Okay, let's get the hell out of here", instead of trying to learn anything. Would you?
The Hansen's were scientists operating independently of Starfleet, and thus had no one to report to, and had no one to look into their disappearance.
As for everything else though.... Yup, still stupid.
Dead officers are less use than demoralised ones, and it only takes one person to deliver the message that they're all screwed anyway.
It worked for the Axis, the Allies were too afird to attack on land the Germans for years after the British Troops evacuated from Dunkirk and were too much in shock years later that they could not come up with a plan to free Europe.
If i remember right they had to rush an ending, okay understandable,.. but to randomly kill off a character? FOR NO REASON.
Firstly, it was scheduled to take place years after what would have been any kind of ending for Enterprise (7 seasons), and Trip did not die quite in vain. He had a rather decent reason to do what he did.
Also, they were still in talks about extending ENT for another season, this episode when it was filmed was not assumed to be the last episode of the series.
To Pax:
1: I see no reason to believe they didn't know what Ferengi looked like.
2: there's a LOT the El-Aurians haven't told the Federation... this is relatively minor in comparison.
3: yeah I wondered about that, then wrote it off as "Soran is nuts".
4: it's a movie... what were you expecting?
5: maybe it was stuck? If the core is badly damaged maybe the ejector mechanism was broke....
6: hehe.... probably something to do with wanting to avoid a temporal paradox. Not that there aren't hundreds of those as-is.
7: what would you have him do? Also, it's worth considering that this was several hours after he heard it had been destroyed. And the ancient alien relic was broken. Picard only found the top peice of it. The rest was apparently destroyed in the crash.
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Seven of Nine's ... were Borg implants? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!! Why cant u keep that to urself?! You ruined my childhood!!
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it was an insult to Greece (one of many)
Commodore Decker just lost his crew and proceeds to take command of the Enterprise. After nearly getting the Enterprise destroyed and he's relieved of command, is he sedated then dragged to sickbay? NO! They send one guy to "escort" him to sickbay, resulting in his suicide and....
wait... maybe that wasn't stupid as if it had not happened they wouldn't have found a way to destroy the Doomday Machine.
And green skinned space women... Where'd that idea come from?
"Hah! You are doomed! You're only armed with that pathetic excuse for a musical instrument!!!" *the Savage Beast moments before Lonnehart the Bard used music to soothe him... then beat him to death with his Fat Lute*
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"Okay, we want her to not be human, but we have a budget of about $10."
Fun story, when they came up with the idea for the Orion slavegirl in "The Cage", they painted Majel Barrett green for screentests to see what she looked like. And after the film came back from processing, Barrett wasn't green. So they kept trying different greens to get one that'd show up on film, to no avail. Turned out the films had been "corrected" by the processing lab because no one had told them that Barret was supposed to be green.
Ah yes, most of the Iconic things from TOS came from it's pittance of a budget. The Vulcans, Orions, all the humanoid races really, the ships, the sets, phasers, even the transporter came from the fact they couldn't afford shuttle models to film. :P
I watched most of it instantly on Netiflix, so there's a little descrpition of what the episode's about. "When a shuttle crashes..." "When Voyager encounters a xenophobic alien race..." Is basically what happens every few episodes. Also, Janeway attempted to destroy Voyager four times and succeded twice. Yet it's still around at the end. Now time to pick out individual ones:
Caretaker: This was a good episode expcept I always wonder why they just didn't set the array to auto-destruct a few minutes after they left.
Threshold: nuff said.
Sacred Ground: Now this was just a bad episode. The Netflix description was "When Kes is injured on an alien planet's sacred ground, Janeway must undergo a spiritual quest to save her life." So you might be thinking, "It can't be as bad as it sound, it's got to have some phaser fire..." No, the description is pretty accurate. It's just not a good plot really.
Then there's the episode withe demon planet. I forgot the name but you know what I'm talking about (hopefully): They say early on, "We shouldn't even get in orbit of the planet." Well guess what, they orbit it, go down in EV suits, and even land Voyager. The plot just gets worse from there, with the Silverblood. Then the sequal. The silverblood apparently copied all of Voyager including the computer, antimatter warp core, and what ever else in onboard. Really? Then at the end the real Voyager detecs traces of what's left of the clone ship, but can't identify it so they move on and the episode is essentially wasted.
Any episodes involving the holodecks malfunctioning: There were many episodes with holodeck malfunctions one of which included a hologram of Seska capturing Tuvok and Paris I think it was. Yeah. Really. Why can they turn the safeties off in the first place?
Voyager was a good series but had its little horror holes here and there that make you want to throw a brick at the TV.
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Sorry about that, but it's just the absolute worst episode of Voyager hands down. It started out good until it got to that part where...
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Sela was underused too.
No. No, it wasn't.
Now that you have said that, I feel you are too rediculous to ever take seriously again.
Sela? yeah, I was hoping to see her in DS9. What's that?
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Was sitting in a dorm room with a dozen other sci-fi geeks the night that show premiered, everyone waiting for something to cheer for. Turned out to be a looooooot of waiting.
Most of the episode.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] "I weary of the chase. Wait for me. I shall be merciful and quick."
The last episode.
What the ----
If i remember right they had to rush an ending, okay understandable,.. but to randomly kill off a character? FOR NO REASON. It just made no sense... yet wasn't my biggest gripe,
In a move which in my eyes was saying this entire series was just so a certain commander can make a decision, was disgraceful!
...the same commander that worms his way into VOY and DS9
I apply the same to the 2387 portion of XI - all alternate universe.
Canon is what you make of it.
Andorians have 4 sexes.
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Most people have posted what I would have listed. However on this one, I think people have gotten the wrong idea.
Those weren't cloak suits. Those suits were holographically hidden by the same hologram projectors hiding the observation base. Once those emitters were taken out, the suits were visible. Think of it as wearing a green suit in front of a green screen.
On the battle field it could work to an extent. It wouldn't fool sensors, but it could fool a person's natural senses.
The man had about two episodes about him in four damn years! On the other Star Trek series his role would be filled by an extra.
Anthony Montgomery has to have head the worst agent in the history of the franchise.
Actually, I have no idea either way, but I was led to believe that she is/was actually...'unaugmented'.
So there you go; childhood restored.
Re: Green-skinned alien women - provided they look like Susan Oliver, who cares?!
I was actually more troubled by the boot-polish Klingons.
Enterprise: One thing I never got was why the Vulcans were presented as they were. It might have been a long road getting from there to here and all that malarkey, but how do you go from Soval and that whole general attitude to Spock and Sarek?
Though, tbh, I kind of wandered from Enterprise when Archer started morphing into Sam Beckett. All that temporal stuff...NOT WITH SCOTT BAKULA!!
(I love Star Trek. Really I do...)
Actually, we could just stop there.
The TOS episode with Jack the Ripper... It would have been ok if they didn't shoehorn in the History part. and the enormous leap of logic to that in the first place -___-
Any episode where they find a planet that was "Just like Earth in X time period." Seriously, it would have been more believable if the Enterprise was the TARDIS and they just happen to be traveling through... Although Sigma Iotia II (The Chicago Gangster planet) was still badass.
Inter-species children... I know that the entire galaxy was seeded by the forerunners to make everyone humanoid. But still, there SHOULD be enough genetic differences after THOUSANDS of years to drift the different species apart so that having healthy children would require more than a one night stand and some hypos.
Earth centrism. Why is EARTH, only ONE of the founding worlds of the Federation, the most important planet in the entire quadrant? How many times has Earth been attacked? How many times has the entire Starfleet been called to defend Earth? Why is the executive, legislative, judicial and military based off this one planet? Why is it that the Map of the entire GALAXY is centered around Earth? Humans were relatively LATE to the Star Trekking game. Why do they get to make the rules?
Multicultural stereotypes. Why is it that an entire race of people is so monotone? "Don't mind him, He is a Klingon, you know how they get." And entire race, and entire species of people are represented in one light. The Klingons are all Honorable Warriors who prefer a direct fight rather than a sly conversation. The Romulans are untrustworthy clever spies and liars. DS9 somewhat shows the other side of these cultures, but always in the light of "Wow.. he is STRANGE for a Ferengi..."
Stupid misuse of technology... Holodeck, Replicators, Transporters... I could go on...
1) The punch line to LaForge's joke ("The clown can stay, but the Ferengi in the gorilla suit has to go") only makes sense if you know what a Ferengi looks like in the first place. But Data says LaForge told that joke during the Farpoint mission, at which point Starfleet still "kn[e]w virtually nothing about" the Ferengi, presumably including what they looked like.
2) If the El-Aurians were fleeing from the Borg in the late 23rd century (and for that matter, if Annika Hansen's parents knew enough about the Borg to study them on their own in the mid-24th), how come Picard acted as though he'd never heard of the Borg before when he first encountered them in "Q Who"?
3) Why doesn't Soran just get himself a thruster-suit (as seen in ST:TMP) and have Lursa and B'Etor drop him off in space in the ribbon's path, so he can fly himself in without trashing a perfectly good ship or having to cause any more mayhem?
4) Assuming Veridian III is about the same distance from its star that Earth is from the sun, it would take light from the star about eight minutes to reach the planet. But when Soran fires his probe, the sun can be seen going dark, from the planet's surface, just seconds later!
5) Why doesn't LaForge eject the warp core (or at least explain to Riker why he can't do so) when it starts to breach!?
6) For two legendary captains, you'd think Kirk and Picard could have come up with a much better gameplan for defeating Soran. Like maybe have Picard go back a few days, send a message to Earth to warn his brother about the fire, and then arrest Soran as soon as they encounter him at Amargosa. Meanwhile, send Kirk back to the Enterprise-B and have him do nothing while the energy ribbon destroys the second ship, thus letting Soran and Guinan remain in the Nexus. (Granted, this would also have retconned Guinan out of the TV series, but it's still a better solution overall than the one they came up with, and certainly a better outcome than having Kirk die and the Enterprise-D get blown to bits.)
7) In the final scene, Picard's apparently nonplussed reaction to the loss of his ship is like Dad giving Son (i.e. Riker) the car keys, Son totaling the family vehicle and Dad being OK with it because Dad's favorite CD (Picard's family album) survived intact. Not to mention that Picard casually tosses aside the Kurlan naiskos - an object he treated with great awe and reverence when he was first given it in sixth season's "The Chase" (and which miraculously seems to have survived the crash intact) - to get to the aforementioned family album.
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Because the El-Aurians were a small group of refugees. We don't know what they new about the Borg, if anything. They probably said, "Okay, let's get the hell out of here", instead of trying to learn anything. Would you?
The Hansen's were scientists operating independently of Starfleet, and thus had no one to report to, and had no one to look into their disappearance.
As for everything else though.... Yup, still stupid.
It worked for the Axis, the Allies were too afird to attack on land the Germans for years after the British Troops evacuated from Dunkirk and were too much in shock years later that they could not come up with a plan to free Europe.
Firstly, it was scheduled to take place years after what would have been any kind of ending for Enterprise (7 seasons), and Trip did not die quite in vain. He had a rather decent reason to do what he did.
Also, they were still in talks about extending ENT for another season, this episode when it was filmed was not assumed to be the last episode of the series.
Jim
1: I see no reason to believe they didn't know what Ferengi looked like.
2: there's a LOT the El-Aurians haven't told the Federation... this is relatively minor in comparison.
3: yeah I wondered about that, then wrote it off as "Soran is nuts".
4: it's a movie... what were you expecting?
5: maybe it was stuck? If the core is badly damaged maybe the ejector mechanism was broke....
6: hehe.... probably something to do with wanting to avoid a temporal paradox. Not that there aren't hundreds of those as-is.
7: what would you have him do? Also, it's worth considering that this was several hours after he heard it had been destroyed. And the ancient alien relic was broken. Picard only found the top peice of it. The rest was apparently destroyed in the crash.
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