On top of all that's already been said let's not forget that even when you have built up your shipyard and starbase to lvl 5, and have unlocked all the fleet ships, you then have to stock your fleet ship store - see the S6 dev blog #2 and I quote, "Add limited numbers of new ships or other elite equipment to Fleet stores."
So every time your fleet runs a project to stock the shipyard you'll get a limited number of ships added to the fleet ship store for sale and once those are bought you'll need to run the project again to restock. Same goes for the ship equipment fleet store and ground equipment fleet store as well as the new operational assets store.
My point is that when you get your fleet starbase to tier 5 the grind isn't over by a long shot, especially for the very large fleets who will have to spend vast amounts of resources to continually restock the various fleet stores so members can buy stuff.
My main character is T'Les which was also my former forum name and I want it back! Hylarr is one of my alts.
They really need to update the f2p where it's "fee to play" or put in a * for the Free to Play stating that it is a limited to f2p due to fact i'm seeing more than a stretch of the imagination to be able to conjure up any of these ships.
Looks like they quickly moved it from general discussion lol. F2P is a fail idea in any MMO but in the hands of asian MMO companies it turns into Pay 2 Win very, very fast. Dunno why i keep playing.
Prices that no non 23-hour gamer could ever afford.
GG, Cryptic. GG.
Guess what? Since they added the exchange to the game I've earned a total of about 10k c-points by trading dilithium, and I only play a few hours a day. That means I can buy the modules I want directly from the store without PAYING anything. So how is that "pay 2 win"? Oh yeah, its not.
Cryptic is forcing KDF players to pay 4x the amount for Fleet ships than Fed since they elected not to include in the promotion all the C-Store ships they deemed worthy of a Fleet Ship model. In other words, not include most of the KDF ships deliberately. Once again we get hosed.
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Which KDF ships (already purchased in the cstore) are not covered? :eek:
Only the two T5 ships are. I asked Brandon if the Scourge Destroyer was covered since it was a C-Store purchase they deemed worthy of a Fleet upgrade:
"That ship is a Tier 4 ship (min rank Captain), so it does not qualify for the FSM discount."
~PWE_Branflakes via Twitter
As I said. We get hosed. Again.
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That's just as true for any Fed player who doesn't have one of the T5 c-store ships.
I get no discount on the Fleet Intrepid, despite having bought the Bellerophon. People who bought the Gladius don't get a discount on the Fleet Saber.
It's not a unique problem for the KDF.
Yet shall we list the number of Fleet Fed ships with T5 counterparts against the same for KDF? Being asked to pay that amount again for a slight upgrade for a ship you already purchased is asinine.
Season 6 Starbase isn't new content. It's simply an alternative method of C-Store sales.
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I suppose it makes a difference for folks like me who have multiple KDF alts.
But it IS counterintuitive to say, "Man. Cryptic hosed us by not releasing more $25 ships."
It's TRUE if you plan to play more than one KDF alt in a Fleet ship because having the C-Store version reduces the cost of a fleet ship from $20 to $5. On a single alt, buying the C-Store ship + Fleet variant costs more. But then on each additional alt, it becomes $5.
On two or more alts, fleet ships become dramatically more expensive when a ship has no T5 C-Store counterpart.
So you lose nothing if you only play ONE KDF character. But there's a heavy discouragement here to playing more than one KDF character.
I suppose it makes a difference for folks like me who have multiple KDF alts.
But it IS counterintuitive to say, "Man. Cryptic hosed us by not releasing more $25 ships."
It's TRUE if you plan to play more than one KDF alt in a Fleet ship because having the C-Store version reduces the cost of a fleet ship from $20 to $5. On a single alt, buying the C-Store ship + Fleet variant costs more. But then on each additional alt, it becomes $5.
On two or more alts, fleet ships become dramatically more expensive when a ship has no T5 C-Store counterpart.
So you lose nothing if you only play ONE KDF character. But there's a heavy discouragement here to playing more than one KDF character.
Actually I still lose $15 more than necessary per character whether I play one KDF or multiple KDF.
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My original thread/post was a completely distinct entity from the other thread(s) regarding this matter and Cryptic has attempted to bury it by moving it to another thread.
If you're unhappy with the Season 6 content scam of alternative methods of C-Store sales in lieu of actual content and the additional costs we're being asked to incur for this content, make your presence known on the Twitter accounts of those who made those decisions. As this is not on the level of necessity as milk, bread, eggs, we as consumers hold more power than we tend to realize.
Make your voices heard.
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Yet shall we list the number of Fleet Fed ships with T5 counterparts against the same for KDF? Being asked to pay that amount again for a slight upgrade for a ship you already purchased is asinine.
Season 6 Starbase isn't new content. It's simply an alternative method of C-Store sales.
It's a ridiculous amount to ask regardless. The Fleet retrofits cost the same amount of real money as the original VA retrofits; but have no special consoles, no new variants, are single character purchases instead of account unlocks, cost in game currency in addition to the cost of the fleet modules, and you have to grind starbase stuff to get access to them.
They just aren't worth it. Not even close.
All I'm objecting to is your suggestion that the KDF are the sole victims here; it's anyone who does not have a T5 c-store version of whatever ship they are after.
There should be more noise over this than there is, and I think part of the problem is a lot of people haven't looked into just how everything here works very deeply. Heck, I haven't heard a podcast yet that seems to grasp how everything works in the fleet system. RSA is way off base, podcastUGC only seems to halfway get it, PO is so fanboyish these days I rarely listen to them, but I'd bet they either have it wrong too or will portray it in the rosiest possible light anyway.
Cryptic doesn't seem to care either, or at least have been told not to appear they do from on high. After all, there are probably just enough people with more money than sense for them to afford not to care.
Actually I still lose $15 more than necessary per character whether I play one KDF or multiple KDF.
If I play one Fed character and I buy:
A Fleet Tactical Escort? $20 (4 FSMs)
A C-Store Tactical Escort and a Fleet Tactical Escort? $20 for the ship + $5 = $25
It's only $5 difference. A Token Tactical Escort does not qualify for the discount. It's $20 or $25. (The real savings is on alts, where it continues to be $5 per alt.)
If I play a Klingon and I buy:
A Fleet Hegh'ta Heavy Bird-of-Prey? $20 (4 FSMs)
So it's the same or ahead of the Fed version IF you only play one Klingon.
However in the proposed scenario, someone who plays TWO Feds would pay $30 and someone who plays TWO Klingons would pay $40. Someone who plays THREE Feds would pay $35 and someone who played THREE Klingons would pay $60.
Actually I get them wanting the ships to be Toon specific instead of Account wide. Means more money.
BUT, at least make ALL Fleet ships worth that $20 + Grind.
I'm in a large fleet, We already have a stockpile of Ship Provs, and except for 2 Fleet Patrols. Everyone wants the Defiant and/or HEC.
There's simply NOTHING else in the Fleet ship stock worth spending $20 PER toon on.
Why is the HEC, Defiant, Patrol, seem like the only ships that they actually made better?
Most of the others are so small a diff, or sometimes even WORSE then what we are already using. So why Bother? I really tried to talk myself into buying 1 for each toon, But I just cant justify it with what's available or soon to be available.
I'm prob gonna buy an Excelsior this week, Always wanted that ship. And dont see any FLEET ship better then that for a Cruiser at all. lol
Why would one buy the Fleet Heavy Cruiser Retro over whats already available? Just for the Model I guess.
A C-Store Tactical Escort and a Fleet Tactical Escort? $20 for the ship + $5 = $25
It's only $5 difference. A Token Tactical Escort does not qualify for the discount. It's $20 or $25. (The real savings is on alts, where it continues to be $5 per alt.)
If I play a Klingon and I buy:
A Fleet Hegh'ta Heavy Bird-of-Prey? $20 (4 FSMs)
So it's the same or ahead of the Fed version IF you only play one Klingon.
However in the proposed scenario, someone who plays TWO Feds would pay $30 and someone who plays TWO Klingons would pay $40. Someone who plays THREE Feds would pay $35 and someone who played THREE Klingons would pay $60.
You assume everyone buying FSMs for fleet ships has never purchased a ship and would be buying both at the same time. You also assume no KDF player as ever purchased a ship equivalent to the Fed rank C-Store ships as those monetary figures would break your equation. There are also zero KDF fleet ships with a T5 C-Store equivalent. Thus KDF will never pay less than Fed for any Fleet vessel and in most cases pay more as your Fleet Hegh'ta example does not exist.
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You assume everyone buying FSMs for fleet ships has never purchased a ship and would be buying both at the same time. You also assume no KDF player as ever purchased a ship equivalent to the Fed rank C-Store ships as those monetary figures would break your equation. There are also zero KDF fleet ships with a T5 C-Store equivalent. Thus KDF will never pay less than Fed for any Fleet vessel and in most cases pay more as your Fleet Hegh'ta example does not exist.
What difference does it make to you when somebody bought one?
$20 spent 6 months ago or $20 spent right now.
There's no equation to break. Just simple math and buy date is irrelevant.
You're not making sense.
The KDF is behind here because the KDF has fewer T5 C-Store ships with which to qualify for the discount.
This penalizes people who play multiple KDF characters.
There is absolutely NOTHING to dispute there.
The KDF will never pay less. The KDF will pay more IF you have multiple alts.
You can't compare pre-T5 ships here, which is what I think you're trying to do. Buying the Tactical Escort Refit doesn't get Fed players any discount on the Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit either.
NOBODY gets a discount for pre-T5 ships, pre-existing, C-Store, whatever.
A T5 Fleet ship will cost you $20 per character unless you bought another T5 C-Store ship of the exact same type for $20 and then it's $5 per character. Same for everybody, Fed or KDF.
A Fleet retrofit of a pre-T5 ship will cost you $20 and there is no discount available. Same for everybody, Fed or KDF. Doesn't matter if it's a retrofit of a C-Store ship if that ship was pre-T5. The Tactical Escort Refit doesn't provide any discount on the Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit.
Where the difference exists is that Feds have more T5 C-Store ships. And ONLY T5 C-Store ships give a discount on their fleet counterpart. There is no way, for example, for Feds to get ANY discount on the Fleet Escort Retrofit because neither the Escort nor the Escort Refit qualify as ships that provide a Fleet Module discount.
Ships for Whom NO Discount is possible. Will cost everyone 4 FSMs or $20, per character. This is because there is no T5 C-Store version of the ship:
Fleet Scourge Destroyer Retrofit
Fleet K't'Inga Retrofit
Fleet Qin Heavy Raptor
Fleet Tor'kaht Battle Cruiser Retrofit
Fleet Somraw Raptor Retrofit
Fleet Norgh Bird of Prey Retrofit
Fleet Corsair Flight Deck Cruiser Retrofit
Fleet Negh'Var Heavy Battle Cruiser Retrofit
Fleet Hoh'sus Bird of Prey
Fleet Vo'quv Carrier Fleet Patrol Escort
Fleet Deep Space Science Vessel
Fleet Heavy Cruiser Retrofit
Fleet Research Science Vessel Retrofit
Fleet Star Cruiser
Fleet Reconnaissance Science Vessel
Fleet Escort Retrofit
Fleet Science Vessel Retrofit
Fleet Aquarius Destroyer
The following ARE offered at a possible discount because they have a corresponding T5 C-Store ship, if you bought the T5 version. Lower tier versions do not count. Only the T5 versions count. You can purchase these either for 4 fleet modules or for 1 fleet module IF you own the $20+ C-Store T5 version of the ship. Meaning the total cost is either $20 per character or $25 on the first character and $5 for each additional character. Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit
Fleet Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit
Fleet Exploration Cruiser Retrofit
Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier
Fleet Long Range Science Vessel Retrofit
The Fleet Assault Cruiser Retrofit may join this list after the C-Store Assault Cruiser Retrofit is launched, as may any of the ships from the first list which receive a T5 C-Store version.
The following WOULD BE offered at a discount IF they existed in Fleet versions: Fleet Varanus Fleet Support Vessel
Fleet Marauder Flight Deck Cruiser
Fleet B'rel Bird of Prey Retrofit
Fleet Guramba Siege Destroyer
Fleet Kar'Fi Battle Cruiser Fleet Caitian Atrox Carrier
Fleet Dreadnought
Fleet Mulivector Advanced Escort
Fleet Vulcan D'Kyr Science Vessel
Fleet Advanced Heavy Retrofit
By and large these ships are considered both unsuitable for fleet construction projects at the starbase because they are not Federation/KDF designed (fleet versions may be added elsewhere) or are considered by Cryptic to already be on tier with fleet ships due to innate powers and abilities.
I'd say there is a case to add Fleet versions of the B'rel and MVAM to the second list.
What difference does it make to you when somebody bought one?
$20 spent 6 months ago or $20 spent right now.
There's no equation to break. Just simple math and buy date is irrelevant.
You're not making sense.
The KDF is behind here because the KDF has fewer T5 C-Store ships with which to qualify for the discount.
This penalizes people who play multiple KDF characters.
There is absolutely NOTHING to dispute there.
The KDF will never pay less. The KDF will pay more IF you have multiple alts.
You can't compare pre-T5 ships here, which is what I think you're trying to do. Buying the Tactical Escort Refit doesn't get Fed players any discount on the Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit either.
NOBODY gets a discount for pre-T5 ships, pre-existing, C-Store, whatever.
A T5 Fleet ship will cost you $20 per character unless you bought another T5 C-Store ship of the exact same type for $20 and then it's $5 per character. Same for everybody, Fed or KDF.
A Fleet retrofit of a pre-T5 ship will cost you $20 and there is no discount available. Same for everybody, Fed or KDF. Doesn't matter if it's a retrofit of a C-Store ship if that ship was pre-T5. The Tactical Escort Refit doesn't provide any discount on the Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit.
Where the difference exists is that Feds have more T5 C-Store ships. And ONLY T5 C-Store ships give a discount on their fleet counterpart. There is no way, for example, for Feds to get ANY discount on the Fleet Escort Retrofit because neither the Escort nor the Escort Refit qualify as ships that provide a Fleet Module discount.
You thought you were privy to my references and that was your first mistake. I don't recall ever stating that any T4 ship gives a discount to either side as you with to attribute to my account to further your argument. My post was meant to punch out the obvious holes in your ludicrous theory.
Fed will either pay $5 or $20 for a Fleet Ship. You wish to include the purchase of the T5 in that but it is a separate entity and does not figure into the cost of the Fleet Ship. It doesn't matter what else you purchase to get the Fleet Ship, it does not increase the cost of the Fleet Ship.
"A C-Store Tactical Escort and a Fleet Tactical Escort? $20 for the ship + $5 = $25"
Your math may be correct but your logic is flawed. If I buy a product for full price--$20-- and get the second product for $5 because of the purchase of the full price item, that does not mean the cost of the second product was $25. The $20 cost of the C-Store ship does not increase the cost of the Fleet Ship. It lowers it. You are not paying $25 for a Fleet Ship. You are paying $20 for a C-Store ship and likely console then $5 for a Fleet ship. $25 is the total sale. You did not pay $5 more for your Fleet Ship than someone with out the C-Store version. You paid $15 less for your fleet ship. You paid $20 for a non-fleet ship, one distinct item, and $5 for a fleet ship, a second distinct item.
A KDF player could buy an equivalent non-discount qualifying C-Store ship (which by the way, no KDF ship qualifies and the only Fleet ships to have a T5 equivalent are the Negvar and the Voq'uv, neither of which are even C-Store ships.) and then a Fleet ship for a total of $40. They did not pay $40 for a fleet ship but $20. They paid $20 for one distinct item and $20 for a second distinct item. If Cryptic sold candy bars or hot dogs would the additional purchase of this increase the cost of the fleet ship to $20.79 or $25.79? No.
No KDF player will ever pay less than $20 currency or the local equivalent. KDF will always pay 4x the amount than is possible for Fed as there is no way for KDF to receive a discount on any ship.
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4x Energy Credits
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Fed will either pay $5 or $20 for a Fleet Ship. You wish to include the purchase of the T5 in that but it is a separate entity and does not figure into the cost of the Fleet Ship. It doesn't matter what else you purchase to get the Fleet Ship, it does not increase the cost of the Fleet Ship.
There is absolutely no reason to exclude that. It is a discount applied for a purchase made.
There is no point in BUYING or OWNING a T5 C-Store ship from the category listed.
You can say that Fleet ships are too expensive. I agree. You can say that Klingons should have more Fleet versions of their C-Store ships. I agree. You can say that Klingons should have more C-Store ships. I agree.
But there is absolutely zero validity in discounting the purchase price of a T5 C-Store ship in factoring in the discount. The discount is offered because of the purchase. The discount is not offered without the purchase even if people own that ship without the purchase.
The cost of a T5 C-Store ship is part of the price. Discounting that is insanity. It's inventing a reason to be upset by ignoring a purchase that was made.
There are plenty of good reasons to be upset. There are plenty of good reasons to be upset as a Klingon player. Yours are meritless.
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So every time your fleet runs a project to stock the shipyard you'll get a limited number of ships added to the fleet ship store for sale and once those are bought you'll need to run the project again to restock. Same goes for the ship equipment fleet store and ground equipment fleet store as well as the new operational assets store.
My point is that when you get your fleet starbase to tier 5 the grind isn't over by a long shot, especially for the very large fleets who will have to spend vast amounts of resources to continually restock the various fleet stores so members can buy stuff.
VA in game rank, not fleet.
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Prices that no non 23-hour gamer could ever afford.
GG, Cryptic. GG.
Guess what? Since they added the exchange to the game I've earned a total of about 10k c-points by trading dilithium, and I only play a few hours a day. That means I can buy the modules I want directly from the store without PAYING anything. So how is that "pay 2 win"? Oh yeah, its not.
Well I'm curious, how does one make 15 million EC in 20 minutes in Kerrat?
Just stumbled across this...Lemme get this right.
I drop 1000 Zen on a T3 Klink D7 wanna be.
To get the fleet version...I have to drop another 2000 Zen?
So to get a Fleet Ship you are looking at a minimum of 3000 Zen?!?!
Not counting all the work to get the starbase up to the tier you need...
Yep, and let's not forget that fleet ship is only for that one character, if you want it on another klink that will be 2000 more zen.
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Only the two T5 ships are. I asked Brandon if the Scourge Destroyer was covered since it was a C-Store purchase they deemed worthy of a Fleet upgrade:
"That ship is a Tier 4 ship (min rank Captain), so it does not qualify for the FSM discount."
~PWE_Branflakes via Twitter
As I said. We get hosed. Again.
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I get no discount on the Fleet Intrepid, despite having bought the Bellerophon. People who bought the Gladius don't get a discount on the Fleet Saber.
It's not a unique problem for the KDF.
Yet shall we list the number of Fleet Fed ships with T5 counterparts against the same for KDF? Being asked to pay that amount again for a slight upgrade for a ship you already purchased is asinine.
Season 6 Starbase isn't new content. It's simply an alternative method of C-Store sales.
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All cloaks should be canon.
But it IS counterintuitive to say, "Man. Cryptic hosed us by not releasing more $25 ships."
It's TRUE if you plan to play more than one KDF alt in a Fleet ship because having the C-Store version reduces the cost of a fleet ship from $20 to $5. On a single alt, buying the C-Store ship + Fleet variant costs more. But then on each additional alt, it becomes $5.
On two or more alts, fleet ships become dramatically more expensive when a ship has no T5 C-Store counterpart.
So you lose nothing if you only play ONE KDF character. But there's a heavy discouragement here to playing more than one KDF character.
Actually I still lose $15 more than necessary per character whether I play one KDF or multiple KDF.
Al Rivera hates Klingons
Star Trek Online: Agents of Jack Emmert
All cloaks should be canon.
If you're unhappy with the Season 6 content scam of alternative methods of C-Store sales in lieu of actual content and the additional costs we're being asked to incur for this content, make your presence known on the Twitter accounts of those who made those decisions. As this is not on the level of necessity as milk, bread, eggs, we as consumers hold more power than we tend to realize.
Make your voices heard.
Al Rivera hates Klingons
Star Trek Online: Agents of Jack Emmert
All cloaks should be canon.
It's a ridiculous amount to ask regardless. The Fleet retrofits cost the same amount of real money as the original VA retrofits; but have no special consoles, no new variants, are single character purchases instead of account unlocks, cost in game currency in addition to the cost of the fleet modules, and you have to grind starbase stuff to get access to them.
They just aren't worth it. Not even close.
All I'm objecting to is your suggestion that the KDF are the sole victims here; it's anyone who does not have a T5 c-store version of whatever ship they are after.
Cryptic doesn't seem to care either, or at least have been told not to appear they do from on high. After all, there are probably just enough people with more money than sense for them to afford not to care.
If I play one Fed character and I buy:
A Fleet Tactical Escort? $20 (4 FSMs)
A C-Store Tactical Escort and a Fleet Tactical Escort? $20 for the ship + $5 = $25
It's only $5 difference. A Token Tactical Escort does not qualify for the discount. It's $20 or $25. (The real savings is on alts, where it continues to be $5 per alt.)
If I play a Klingon and I buy:
A Fleet Hegh'ta Heavy Bird-of-Prey? $20 (4 FSMs)
So it's the same or ahead of the Fed version IF you only play one Klingon.
However in the proposed scenario, someone who plays TWO Feds would pay $30 and someone who plays TWO Klingons would pay $40. Someone who plays THREE Feds would pay $35 and someone who played THREE Klingons would pay $60.
BUT, at least make ALL Fleet ships worth that $20 + Grind.
I'm in a large fleet, We already have a stockpile of Ship Provs, and except for 2 Fleet Patrols. Everyone wants the Defiant and/or HEC.
There's simply NOTHING else in the Fleet ship stock worth spending $20 PER toon on.
Why is the HEC, Defiant, Patrol, seem like the only ships that they actually made better?
Most of the others are so small a diff, or sometimes even WORSE then what we are already using. So why Bother? I really tried to talk myself into buying 1 for each toon, But I just cant justify it with what's available or soon to be available.
I'm prob gonna buy an Excelsior this week, Always wanted that ship. And dont see any FLEET ship better then that for a Cruiser at all. lol
Why would one buy the Fleet Heavy Cruiser Retro over whats already available? Just for the Model I guess.
You assume everyone buying FSMs for fleet ships has never purchased a ship and would be buying both at the same time. You also assume no KDF player as ever purchased a ship equivalent to the Fed rank C-Store ships as those monetary figures would break your equation. There are also zero KDF fleet ships with a T5 C-Store equivalent. Thus KDF will never pay less than Fed for any Fleet vessel and in most cases pay more as your Fleet Hegh'ta example does not exist.
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What difference does it make to you when somebody bought one?
$20 spent 6 months ago or $20 spent right now.
There's no equation to break. Just simple math and buy date is irrelevant.
You're not making sense.
The KDF is behind here because the KDF has fewer T5 C-Store ships with which to qualify for the discount.
This penalizes people who play multiple KDF characters.
There is absolutely NOTHING to dispute there.
The KDF will never pay less. The KDF will pay more IF you have multiple alts.
You can't compare pre-T5 ships here, which is what I think you're trying to do. Buying the Tactical Escort Refit doesn't get Fed players any discount on the Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit either.
NOBODY gets a discount for pre-T5 ships, pre-existing, C-Store, whatever.
A T5 Fleet ship will cost you $20 per character unless you bought another T5 C-Store ship of the exact same type for $20 and then it's $5 per character. Same for everybody, Fed or KDF.
A Fleet retrofit of a pre-T5 ship will cost you $20 and there is no discount available. Same for everybody, Fed or KDF. Doesn't matter if it's a retrofit of a C-Store ship if that ship was pre-T5. The Tactical Escort Refit doesn't provide any discount on the Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit.
Where the difference exists is that Feds have more T5 C-Store ships. And ONLY T5 C-Store ships give a discount on their fleet counterpart. There is no way, for example, for Feds to get ANY discount on the Fleet Escort Retrofit because neither the Escort nor the Escort Refit qualify as ships that provide a Fleet Module discount.
Fleet Scourge Destroyer Retrofit
Fleet K't'Inga Retrofit
Fleet Qin Heavy Raptor
Fleet Tor'kaht Battle Cruiser Retrofit
Fleet Somraw Raptor Retrofit
Fleet Norgh Bird of Prey Retrofit
Fleet Corsair Flight Deck Cruiser Retrofit
Fleet Negh'Var Heavy Battle Cruiser Retrofit
Fleet Hoh'sus Bird of Prey
Fleet Vo'quv Carrier
Fleet Patrol Escort
Fleet Deep Space Science Vessel
Fleet Heavy Cruiser Retrofit
Fleet Research Science Vessel Retrofit
Fleet Star Cruiser
Fleet Reconnaissance Science Vessel
Fleet Escort Retrofit
Fleet Science Vessel Retrofit
Fleet Aquarius Destroyer
The following ARE offered at a possible discount because they have a corresponding T5 C-Store ship, if you bought the T5 version. Lower tier versions do not count. Only the T5 versions count. You can purchase these either for 4 fleet modules or for 1 fleet module IF you own the $20+ C-Store T5 version of the ship. Meaning the total cost is either $20 per character or $25 on the first character and $5 for each additional character.
Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit
Fleet Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit
Fleet Exploration Cruiser Retrofit
Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier
Fleet Long Range Science Vessel Retrofit
The Fleet Assault Cruiser Retrofit may join this list after the C-Store Assault Cruiser Retrofit is launched, as may any of the ships from the first list which receive a T5 C-Store version.
The following WOULD BE offered at a discount IF they existed in Fleet versions:
Fleet Varanus Fleet Support Vessel
Fleet Marauder Flight Deck Cruiser
Fleet B'rel Bird of Prey Retrofit
Fleet Guramba Siege Destroyer
Fleet Kar'Fi Battle Cruiser
Fleet Caitian Atrox Carrier
Fleet Dreadnought
Fleet Mulivector Advanced Escort
Fleet Vulcan D'Kyr Science Vessel
Fleet Advanced Heavy Retrofit
By and large these ships are considered both unsuitable for fleet construction projects at the starbase because they are not Federation/KDF designed (fleet versions may be added elsewhere) or are considered by Cryptic to already be on tier with fleet ships due to innate powers and abilities.
I'd say there is a case to add Fleet versions of the B'rel and MVAM to the second list.
You thought you were privy to my references and that was your first mistake. I don't recall ever stating that any T4 ship gives a discount to either side as you with to attribute to my account to further your argument. My post was meant to punch out the obvious holes in your ludicrous theory.
Fed will either pay $5 or $20 for a Fleet Ship. You wish to include the purchase of the T5 in that but it is a separate entity and does not figure into the cost of the Fleet Ship. It doesn't matter what else you purchase to get the Fleet Ship, it does not increase the cost of the Fleet Ship.
"A C-Store Tactical Escort and a Fleet Tactical Escort? $20 for the ship + $5 = $25"
Your math may be correct but your logic is flawed. If I buy a product for full price--$20-- and get the second product for $5 because of the purchase of the full price item, that does not mean the cost of the second product was $25. The $20 cost of the C-Store ship does not increase the cost of the Fleet Ship. It lowers it. You are not paying $25 for a Fleet Ship. You are paying $20 for a C-Store ship and likely console then $5 for a Fleet ship. $25 is the total sale. You did not pay $5 more for your Fleet Ship than someone with out the C-Store version. You paid $15 less for your fleet ship. You paid $20 for a non-fleet ship, one distinct item, and $5 for a fleet ship, a second distinct item.
A KDF player could buy an equivalent non-discount qualifying C-Store ship (which by the way, no KDF ship qualifies and the only Fleet ships to have a T5 equivalent are the Negvar and the Voq'uv, neither of which are even C-Store ships.) and then a Fleet ship for a total of $40. They did not pay $40 for a fleet ship but $20. They paid $20 for one distinct item and $20 for a second distinct item. If Cryptic sold candy bars or hot dogs would the additional purchase of this increase the cost of the fleet ship to $20.79 or $25.79? No.
No KDF player will ever pay less than $20 currency or the local equivalent. KDF will always pay 4x the amount than is possible for Fed as there is no way for KDF to receive a discount on any ship.
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There is absolutely no reason to exclude that. It is a discount applied for a purchase made.
There is no point in BUYING or OWNING a T5 C-Store ship from the category listed.
You can say that Fleet ships are too expensive. I agree. You can say that Klingons should have more Fleet versions of their C-Store ships. I agree. You can say that Klingons should have more C-Store ships. I agree.
But there is absolutely zero validity in discounting the purchase price of a T5 C-Store ship in factoring in the discount. The discount is offered because of the purchase. The discount is not offered without the purchase even if people own that ship without the purchase.
The cost of a T5 C-Store ship is part of the price. Discounting that is insanity. It's inventing a reason to be upset by ignoring a purchase that was made.
There are plenty of good reasons to be upset. There are plenty of good reasons to be upset as a Klingon player. Yours are meritless.
Instead of griping about it only happening to apply to Federation ships, you should be griping that it should apply to more Klingon ships as well.
It makes no sense unless you just think Federation players suffering is ever, possibly, remotely a good thing.