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  • drunkenguyverdrunkenguyver Member Posts: 46 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    raven1s wrote: »
    I admit i am still noob at this game only lvl 31 capt but i was on the crystalline ent one last night i jumped in and we was firing on the ent and all over chat was no torps/mines you noobs stuff like that all in CAPS it really p*ssed me off that when people join in some of these matches all you get is abuse just because you are new then people wonder why new players quit the game and never come back

    Try not to worry about people like that Raven, everyone has to start someplace and what some people forget is that they were a noob once, and rather than shouting abuse at people over chat, they should help em out . . i must say i've been fortunate and was lucky to make some good friends here on STO, whom have helped me out . . shown me what to do on normal stfs first, before i progressed to Elite. Try not to let idiots put you off.

    I'd much rather be a noob in STFs in a computer game, than a noob in social skills needed in everyday life . . anyday of the week.

    If you still find you're getting grief, you're welcome to play with our team, you won't get any of that shouting rubbish there, and our team mates will be happy to help you if needed.

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  • quiscustodietquiscustodiet Member Posts: 350
    edited June 2012
    A most irritating trend I've run into in ISE is this people following the 10% for the Generators... and when we take them down, just focusing on the Spheres that pop at the gate.
    What's the point of following the 10% and then not destroying the Transformer ASAP?
    So annoying.


    If I'm on my Escort when they do that, ok, I can take down the Transformer with little help, but if I'm on my Cruisers, I know we're in it for a long time.
  • robertcrayvenrobertcrayven Member Posts: 355 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    ISE. Me in my tac Odyssey, a Klink carrier, MVAM escort, an Intrepid, and what looked like a stock Defiant. Klink almost immediately asks "Does everyone know about the 10% rule?" 4 people respond "yes." The Defiant says nothing. We pop the cube and its escorts pretty easy, and go after the left transformer and generators, taking out the cube. Only then do we notice one of the generators has already been destroyed. Accusations fly back and forth about who popped the generator as we're overwhelmed by a swarm of probes - one which seems even nastier than normal. We finally make it through the mayhem and go to the right, only to find that 2 or 3 of the generators on the right side are gone, with the cube still hovering overhead. Also present is the guy in the Defiant - apparently he'd gone aggro on the generators on the left, then moved over to the right while we were getting buried in the probe spam from both sides. Attempts to contact the guy finally resulted in a couple of lines in what appeared to be a Serbian dialect, followed by a response of "make shoot gate" in broken English.
  • rdm1958rdm1958 Member Posts: 822 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    There's two behaviours make me feel strange.
    Leavers in Khitomer Accord STF (ground or space , normal or elite).
    And people who say they protect the Kang and when they are overflooded by raptor. They said nothing.
    Yesterday. We start The crure space normal. I thought. It will be easy. We started. One guy went on the right. I went in the middle. Another went on the left. 2 guys stayed to protect the kang. I start to destroy probes. I looked on the kang. It seemed they deal with raptor. I thought it's ok. After a while I had to deal with a raptor protecting the cube. I looked on the KAng. We lost optionnals. Argh... I went to the Kang. I healed it. Killed 2 raptors. Adn go back to the cube. The guy on the right killed the cube and went to help me to terminate the cube. And at this time my ops said. "you failed!". These two guys were not able to say help.


    i always protect kang and often get over run by borg like when someone destroys a cube early. no one generally notices, not always, but often. i usually try to let others know i need help, but when you are up to your ears in borg i find it hard to type sometimes. why don't people use voice more often?? i don't do normals only elites.
  • msilenusmsilenus Member Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    I'm a new player...before playing advanced areas of the game I read the forums. It is not difficult to google STF walkthroughs. Why cannot be it a prerequisite to pass a small exam before playing STFs?

    Make it part of the game FFS, its not hard.
  • quintarisquintaris Member Posts: 816 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    Worst STF experience: somehow (and I have no idea how), my brain/hand coordination went out the window and clicked "Leave Map" instead of picking up the loot for finishing an STF.

    As I'm warping out without collecting my EDC, I'm going "What? No! Why are you leaving the map!"
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  • dood98998dood98998 Member Posts: 389
    edited June 2012
    quintaris wrote: »
    Worst STF experience: somehow (and I have no idea how), my brain/hand coordination went out the window and clicked "Leave Map" instead of picking up the loot for finishing an STF.

    As I'm warping out without collecting my EDC, I'm going "What? No! Why are you leaving the map!"

    Ouch dude, that had to hurt. I just realized that, while this thread is hilarious and entertaining, it has over 600 posts, and is one of the longest running threads in the forums :eek: . Thats kinda depressing considering that this is a rant/complaint thread about how stfs are broken. :(
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  • robertcrayvenrobertcrayven Member Posts: 355 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    dood98998 wrote: »
    Ouch dude, that had to hurt. I just realized that, while this thread is hilarious and entertaining, it has over 600 posts, and is one of the longest running threads in the forums :eek: . Thats kinda depressing considering that this is a rant/complaint thread about how stfs are broken. :(

    I don't think the STFs are broken in the sense of what's being discussed in this thread - although I won't argue that they're broken in many other senses of the word. I see this as more of a rant thread about how people are mostly utterly incapable of functioning as a coordinated team in this game. :P
  • oldkirkfanoldkirkfan Member Posts: 1,263 Arc User
    edited June 2012
    quintaris wrote: »
    Worst STF experience: somehow (and I have no idea how), my brain/hand coordination went out the window and clicked "Leave Map" instead of picking up the loot for finishing an STF.

    As I'm warping out without collecting my EDC, I'm going "What? No! Why are you leaving the map!"


    You should fire your Conn officer. He/She should have asked if you were sure you wanted to leave...
  • jake81499jake81499 Member Posts: 249 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    dood98998 wrote: »
    Thats kinda depressing considering that this is a rant/complaint thread about how stfs are broken. :(

    I don't really think they are broken either. A number of the people that play the stf's are broken but that's not the games fault. And that's more of what the thread is about. You'll notice in many of the senerios listed here we could be talking about the same person, over and over and over. LOL :D
  • mandrake45mandrake45 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Agreed, player fail does not a broken STF make.
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  • dapperdrakedapperdrake Member Posts: 254 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    jake81499 wrote: »
    I don't really think they are broken either. A number of the people that play the stf's are broken but that's not the games fault. And that's more of what the thread is about. You'll notice in many of the senerios listed here we could be talking about the same person, over and over and over. LOL :D

    I think STF are broken.
    Yesterday I ran several STF. The CSE. We we end up and got optionnals. But we wait for 2 minutes before the button appears to let us leave the map.
    I ran 6 Khitomer STF (ground or space). 4 on 6 we started ? 4 and we end up at 4 sometimes at 3. And the drop was TRIBBLE and rubbish. It's not normal we can start Khitomer with 4 player and no one come while we play. By the way it's not normal there is more leaver in khitomer than any else STF.
    Making hard stf again and again broke STF...
  • verlaine11verlaine11 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I think STF are broken.
    Yesterday I ran several STF. The CSE. We we end up and got optionnals. But we wait for 2 minutes before the button appears to let us leave the map.

    That is one of those things that are getting people annoyed, i know it looks like a minor thing but people get annoyed and leave before the box comes up - which in turn suckers people who are queued up to start into a game that has ended allready, it has a knock on effect
  • dood98998dood98998 Member Posts: 389
    edited July 2012
    point taken guys, but think about it. drop rates for good stuff are rubbish, and the *coughs*crapboxes*cough* are worse than ever. invisa crits are a nightmare, and it gets old when stfs are the only real end game content other than nascar pvp. i, personnaly, still think its scary that the longest running post in the forums is a rant :(
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  • mikewendellmikewendell Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Isn't Cure the one with the three cubes and the Klingon ship in the middle?

    Just played it on normal. I always go left to keep that cube busy and the generated ships that pop up from time to time. I go after the spheres as well. Normally I get the spheres finished when the first cube goes and other players start floating my way.

    I took that cube out and had all of the spheres and the generated ships taken out of the middle cube and the rest of the group was still dealing with the cube on the right. I have to wonder if they had taken out the spheres first or had skipped them and gone after the cube first.

    We still got the optional which surprised me but it came down right to the wire.
  • thoroonthoroon Member Posts: 409 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Must have been lucky ... 15 PUG Elite STFs in a row, optionals included, 3 Mins left Minimum ...
    So atm worst STF Experience was when we finished ISE with 3 Minutes left :eek:
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  • ferdzso0ferdzso0 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    had an interesting one today. in the end it payed off, but it was bad, really bad.

    so here is this guy, lets name him Barney. we are on infected elite. first we engage the cubes and spheres. he starts off luring one sphere away from the cube to the right. why? we dunno. then he ofc dies by that cube's hands(? :D). so we kill the cube, and as we are closer to the right transformer all of us go for that.

    and thats when the problems started. Barney decided he wants to go left. so what does he do? goes right, ignores the cube, and attacks the generators. hokay, we are attacking the right side, Barney ignores the chat. we destroy the generators, try to destroy the transformer. we hadnt enough DPS (I have a really really good science DPS build, but as a sci I had to divide my attention between the transformer and the incoming nanites, so we were short by 20%).

    as usual here a guy jumps ship, Barney is oblivious anything that is not on the left (now he is starting to struggle because he has some spheres on him, so his death streak starts). so the three of us left try to concentrate on the right, destroy the cubes, save what we can. we could destroy the transformer.

    now comes the best part. we thought we were good, because we could destroy loads of spheres and the transformer. what we didnt know how many spheres Barney brought out of the magic gate. plus the cube was still there. so I alone took on the cube, because now we had some disagreement. one other thought we should thin the spheres, one was silent, one was Barney, and I thought we should go for the cube, and bring everything on us. after I killed the cube the others realised what I am trying to do, and it was quite effective. we could destory the transformer, and we could finish the game.

    it took us 40 minutes... basically if we hadnt the guy who exited we would have finished in less than 30 minutes.

    moral of the story? dont be an idiot like Barney, and do not jump ship if the optional is lost. plus try to think things through

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  • carmenaracarmenara Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    We were just finished with bacon and eggs and some of the Odyssey pilots of the fleet were wanting a relaxing start to the day's operations.

    In order to create some communication between fleet pilots and PUGs we all said good morning on entering mission.

    We got a hostile remark from the PUGs in the map saying "why are you saying good morning, it's afternoon here". I was like LOL. The world is not flat. Just wanting to break up the nonsensical confrontation I proceeded to coordinate the Odyssey pilots in shorthand so they knew what to target, where to go and assign the correct number of ships to counter first the BoPs then the Raptors and the Negh'vars all in record time.

    These are mature players who were at first very afraid of the 'noob bashing' hostile environment of STFs and so they joined my fleet for demonstration runs and ramp up their skills to Elite level STFs and PvP competitive play.

    PUG, who speaks very highly of his "Fatherland" and telling us how us Americans suck and we were posting BS in chat continued to be a background annoyance for the rest of the mission and accused me of flaming him continuously with my shorthand.

    I sort of told him off that they were completely innocent team comms, not meant for him and we proceeded to win the map + optional without his support. Because you know, someone spending 50% of his time in the chat box can't be doing much DPS at all, and my Newbies in Odysseys (tm) were demonstrating superb formation battle drill thanks to shorthand tactical orders.

    Besides, my shorthand isn't at all hard to understand - especially after posting on chat that most of my group run USAF-style roleplay.

    "Chevy 2 engage MiG29 at Kang"
    "GW on B52s on tgt 3"

    I could understand these at age 4. Pfffft!

    I also cannot think of anyone that would find a B-52 Stratofortress offensive.. unless he's Communist and living in the 70s in Asia :D
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  • dapperdrakedapperdrake Member Posts: 254 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    carmenara wrote: »
    We were just finished with bacon and eggs and some of the Odyssey pilots of the fleet were wanting a relaxing start to the day's operations.

    In order to create some communication between fleet pilots and PUGs we all said good morning on entering mission.

    We got a hostile remark from the PUGs in the map saying "why are you saying good morning, it's afternoon here". I was like LOL. The world is not flat.

    Sorry, but it's really funny :D
    That's why I like chat in stf :)
  • dapperdrakedapperdrake Member Posts: 254 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Yesterday night I ran a really weird KASE.
    We started wrong. Not together but one by one. And then the Tac cube shoot us one by one...
    We killed it. I went on the left taking probe. A fed tac went on the right taking probes.
    3 players had to kill nodes, cubes and transformers. One said something. And they realized they are from Texas. So then they went into a stupid blahblah about Texas. Texas rules, America is best. Whole of world is ****. English speakers as second language are b****. And... We totaly failed :eek: Because while they were busy to say bad words against everything is not from Texas. They forgot to play:mad:
  • theshadowed1theshadowed1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    It was Elite Infected Ground. I came in near what seemed like the beginning of the STF. Some of the team had already gone forward and were engaging the Borg. I ran over and by the time I'd gotten there-this was the first group, mind you, so it didn't take that long to get there-most of the team had died and were either waiting to respawn or be healed. I fought with the people who were left and we got killed.

    When I respawned, I found myself to be doing this STF with only one teammate. The others had quit. Maybe they were playing longer than I thought? Not one to give up, we went for it, hoping to make some headway and thinking people would pop in. No dice. After a few deaths, I was playing alone. Rushing in and out and picking up injuries like...a lone Vice Admiral on an Elite STF...and trying to do some damage. I had long since run out of regenerators by the time "reinforcements" came in.

    After playing for a good 10-15 minutes, I started getting yelled at for having so many injuries by the new guys. "I hate when people don't come prepared" "Have you ever played this before?" I thought it kinda bs. You ever try to clear out a room as a Sci Captain on an Elite STF by yourself and NOT get injured? Nah. Unlikely. :cool:

    We finished with them witching and moaning about it the entire time.

    I don't know if that's the worse than the first 30 seconds I'd played Elite Cure Ground in which we spawned, a guy asked if anyone had not ever played it before, to which I replied that I hadn't on elite and another person replied the same. This caused the other 3 of the players to leave with a "There are too many noobs in here." Of course that fixes the problem of inexperience. We knew two of us wouldn't beat the final boss and would be hard pressed to even get halfway there in the first place. Had to leave and take the long time penalty :/.

    Ironically, I played it again with a group of 3 inexperienced players and pulled it off later on. Beyond annoying experiences though :mad:
  • rdm1958rdm1958 Member Posts: 822 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    sto is full of people ready to hate for any reason and those with no life calling everyone a noob and using that as an excuse to quit. i would rather play with a friendly new player that stays in game rather than some veteran jerk calling everyone "noob" and quitting.
  • dapperdrakedapperdrake Member Posts: 254 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I'm in GMT+2. I already understood the best moment to play nice STF is at the morning (around 6 or 7o'clock at the morning) or late at night. Kids and as*****e don't play at this time. I ran all of my worst STF at the evening between 8 and 10 o'clock.
  • dood98998dood98998 Member Posts: 389
    edited July 2012
    I'm in GMT+2. I already understood the best moment to play nice STF is at the morning (around 6 or 7o'clock at the morning) or late at night. Kids and as*****e don't play at this time. I ran all of my worst STF at the evening between 8 and 10 o'clock.
    Totally agree with you. You can add noobs (the kind that dont open chat and rant about what everyone else is doing wrong when they dont know what theyre doing) to the list of people that dont play in mornings or evenings.
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  • zillak2zillak2 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Think I've just hit mine. Gotten to the end of Infected Elite, down to the last Tac cube, and my entire team - after making a complete ballsup of the generators and bringing the entire Collective over for a visit - have bailed. We'd managed to get the cube down to 2% health then the last of our team died, and with that bloody stupid lag time in effect nobody could respawn in time to prevent the thing healing itself right back up to 100%.

    So everyone gave up one by one, and now it's just me left, one Tac cube away from victory. Cos yes, I'm still in there. And I'm bloody annoyed... :(
  • alastorforthrighalastorforthrigh Member Posts: 222 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I love the guys who sit around in Cure Space and don't do anything the whole mach and then try and ninja the optional, and if the optional is failed, call all of us newbs and then bail.
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  • matteo716maikaimatteo716maikai Member Posts: 823
    edited July 2012
    this one time me and 4 of my buddies were all in shuttles/fighters and some random dude in an oddy was teamed with us. it was infected space i think, after about 20 minutes the dude had the the nerve to warp out on us....

    we werent able to complete the mission :(
  • ferdzso0ferdzso0 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I love the guys who sit around in Cure Space and don't do anything the whole mach and then try and ninja the optional, and if the optional is failed, call all of us newbs and then bail.

    had one interesting Cure space normal on this thought.

    game starts like normal, everyone waits for the others to make their moves. everyone moves first, forward. hokay, I go right, as usual then. one other guy followed me. out of the three one carrier was camping (that might be forgiveable), and another cruiser was camping too, but BEHIND the carrier, and one guy was flying around. I wrote in the chat after 2 mins if they thought this through, the "one guy" lol'd and came to help. now everything seemed fine, until the first cube was down (we had good dps, so it was still in time). I go immediately to the other cube, since two is more then enough to defend even against the raptors. now the rest didnt think that, so I had to destroy 5 probes til I saw another friendly, and when we killed the rest the third guy showed up for the cube.
    and with the last the rest was on the third cube with me (after I destroyed 3 nanites, since the one raptor that was left and the two neghvars were quite a challange), and we finished happily.

    the funny thing is, we even got the optional. I honestly do not know how we managed that (maybe I was not the onlyone who had a ship equipped for elite, I dunno), since we averaged 2 ppl at the cubes :D still I had a good laugh, which was not spoiled by a bitter ending

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  • bladeofkahlessbladeofkahless Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I've actually had a string of pretty bad ones lately.
    Luckily, I've been running with my regular wingman, so we've been able to successfully salvage most of them.

    Here's a little of what I've seen...

    - ISE: There's always at least one person who doesn't know what the 10% rule is.
    And after messing up the first one, and gets it explained to them... will mess it up again.
    Also, apparently people think it's a good idea to split the teams firepower between the gate and Tac cube. Because focusing one down quickly makes too much sense. (/sarcasm)

    - CSE: Nobody wants to hold their post. I've seen so many people do BoP duty on left or center, then just stop, leaving their post wide open.
    In my Vo'Quv, I'm always on BoP duty. But it seems like I always get left to do BoP/Raptor duty for all 3 cubes, while everyone else goes all "Ooh, SHINY!". (yes, not even the BoP/Raptors from the cube EVERYONE is working on).
    Also, if you're firing on the probes of a cube... yes, you are expected to take out that cube's spawns.

    - KASE: Nobody wants to do Probe Duty.
    For instance, 4 people on the left, and 2 probes slip through.
    Now, I admit I was on the left. I was on my spec'd tank, and was holding down aggro on the cube at the time. Maybe I should have tried to handle that too, but call me crazy for expecting one of the other 3 guys to handle it.
    Also, for those who spawn a cube, and get spanked by it... please, don't spawn it if you can't tank it or kill it.
    While I CAN pull it off of you, hold aggro on the other cube AND take hits from the gate (while healing your busted hull), it's not efficient. You're just making everyone's life harder. Including yours.

    - People in skittle-boats invariably end up being the worst people on the team. Not just not knowing what to do, but have an uncanny knack for doing the completely wrong thing at the wrong time.

    - Even though Escorts, Sci ships and Cruisers play to a certain career's strength, apparently very few people want to maximize their effectiveness.
    If I decide to put my Eng in a BoP, it'll be restricted to solo play. We all want to be special little snowflakes, and I'm all for that. I'll just do it when it doesn't affect anyone else.

    - Almost forgot...
    Carriers. Please keep those pets on a leash. Thx!

    /rant

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  • worilworil Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Just had an interesting Cure Space Elite, where some guy demanded that all five team members focus on the right cube only. At some point he blew it up prematurely and after some quite stupid discussion he claimed that he did it intentionally because not everybody was following his orders. :eek:

    Not the worst STF, but quite funny. Perhaps he mixed it up with Infected.
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