considering how rare it is and how much money we spent for the ship it should be better than other escorts.
Well, at the risk of sounding callous, thats your problem for spending the money.
The rest of us would rather have balance even at cost to those who spent money on, what I'd consider anyways, a gimmick.
Well, at the risk of sounding callous, thats your problem for spending the money.
The rest of us would rather have balance even at cost to those who spent money on, what I'd consider anyways, a gimmick.
yea i can tell u hate the ship before even reading waht u type by looking at ur sig.
but come on im not asking for the ship to better than other c-store ships just equal at least
1) As of the recent skills change, shields are a science thing instead of an engineering thing.
2) Previously, science consoles were only really useful on science ships. Now, they (well, at least one) have a use even if you are not boosting science powers.
Understand what you're saying but it's still confusing a bit. Leme try to put it another way. Do you ask the Sci Officer to increase the shield capacity or do you ask him to find a way to increase resistances? Yes the deflector is responsible for the shields. But where does the power for it come from? But then yes there is the fact that Sci can increase the deflectors capabilities and thus it's capacity. I guess it could go either way.
I guess most of my complaining is that they changed it and messed up the abilities. I can switch it with my Universal Borg Console or my Transwarp Console just as easy.
My favorite part of this is the assurance that if the console is left in the engineering slot, it'll stay there. Until the patch goes in and the patch forcibly removes it from your engineering slot and makes you search for it in the overflow bag and have to re-equip it as a science console.
Bang up job! Top notch!
Icing on the cake is that their apparent solution will be to edit the patch notes to make it look like this was their intent all along.
they really didnt think this through ships with 1 sci slot are now useless unless u count ramming speed which u can only use once in a blue moon
dern... what i do with that shocked face again....
AH HA! found it.. :eek:
meaning ships like the NEW Bortas? hmmm? or perhaps some other ships? you understand its a T5 FLAGSHIP of the KLINGON EMPIRE, which was a one trick pony after the latest nerf, now is worse then that???
dern... what i do with that shocked face again....
AH HA! found it.. :eek:
meaning ships like the NEW Bortas? hmmm? or perhaps some other ships? you understand its a T5 FLAGSHIP of the KLINGON EMPIRE, which was a one trick pony after the latest nerf, now is worse then that???
here u can have my shocked face :eek: and a few others :mad:
hope this helps.
cya later have to try find a ship with more than one sci slot to replace my bug ship
I think this is just a way to make all consoles useless, so there is more incentive to buy universal consoles for $$. After Beta it was the Science consoles, then EPS, followed by the weapons power consoles. I bet they plan in nerfing the damage and resist consoles next.
Does no one ever bother to check and see if this has been posted before they post? It's been said many, many, many times now that there is a math bug in the new console. They're working on fixing it.
Does no one ever bother to check and see if this has been posted before they post? It's been said many, many, many times now that there is a math bug in the new console. They're working on fixing it.
I would usually do that for the other game, but consider the poor rate of reply from dev on this forum/game, nah, i rather spend my time making an extra post. (on the side note, still stareing at my 7 days open in-game ticket)
If it goes from engi to science, it is logical that it gives a bonus to the appropriate skill.
And +35 is still better than +26. You should be able to stack it now.
Really? Still no dev response on what to expect with this. Lies and nerfs to be ignored... Quick everyone focus on the TRIBBLE Q quest and ignore this issue, please.
Does no one ever bother to check and see if this has been posted before they post? It's been said many, many, many times now that there is a math bug in the new console. They're working on fixing it.
You do realize that this patch *WAS* supposed to be a fix, don't you? Cryptic's track record on fixes and reputation aren't worth a whole heck of a lot to me right now.
the only way this could have happened is on purpose. it wasnt a simple console transfer. they chaged the console from a % to a skill increase. and now theyre playing dumb about it.
Firstly, shields were (and always had been) an Engineering role (according to canon) unless shields were in someway affected by their surroundings, though normally if the shields were done for the ship normally was (to a degree).
Second, there was *already* a console for shields in Science (Shield Emitters) that came with the Science Console overhaul for Season 5.
Third, this now means that Engineering consoles have lost MORE than Science has GAINED. Put it simply, most players will be using a combination of SIF Generator and this console (pre nerf) in their Engineering slots as it gives both an improvement in hull regen and shield capacity, as well as whatever "power" console (such as the Anti-Matter Spread) they were using if they had more than two.
Colour me extremely un-impressed. At the very least, they should've swapped the consoles round so that this console moves to Science and the Shield Emitters console got moved to Engineering. At least it would stop *some* of the negativity if the players got offered a (meagre) replacement.
but its no long adds capacity to your shield... sucks they need to fix it the field gen has been badly nerfed. this is bad bad bad my shield are so weak its worthless. come fix it put it back the it was . please.
They are not consistently going into the overflow bag. Two of my consoles just vaporized entirely and I had to re-buy their nerfed counterparts on the Exchange.
If it goes from engi to science, it is logical that it gives a bonus to the appropriate skill.
And +35 is still better than +26. You should be able to stack it now.
But it's useless for my bop now.
Do you run a SciBoP?
otherwise try Scicon = FE/ SEA / FE
fe = Field Emmiter
SEA = Shield Emmitter Amplifier
Dear lord, do you people go into a blind rage when everything in your life goes unexpectedly? There's like seventeen dozen threads with eleventy billion posts about this (I counted).
Yes, the whole debacle with moving eng consoles to sci slots to "fix" sci consoles was boneheaded. Yes, they broke the conversion. Yes, nothing about this switchover is going as they said. Yes, they're aware of it and intend to fix it.
No, it is not some giant conspiracy to drive some of you away from the game and ruin your lives.
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Well, at the risk of sounding callous, thats your problem for spending the money.
The rest of us would rather have balance even at cost to those who spent money on, what I'd consider anyways, a gimmick.
yea i can tell u hate the ship before even reading waht u type by looking at ur sig.
but come on im not asking for the ship to better than other c-store ships just equal at least
...... really grow up
Understand what you're saying but it's still confusing a bit. Leme try to put it another way. Do you ask the Sci Officer to increase the shield capacity or do you ask him to find a way to increase resistances? Yes the deflector is responsible for the shields. But where does the power for it come from? But then yes there is the fact that Sci can increase the deflectors capabilities and thus it's capacity. I guess it could go either way.
I guess most of my complaining is that they changed it and messed up the abilities. I can switch it with my Universal Borg Console or my Transwarp Console just as easy.
Sorry, kind of skimed through and haven't had enough coffee.
Icing on the cake is that their apparent solution will be to edit the patch notes to make it look like this was their intent all along.
yeah... <.< mind reader...
I did and apparenlty so have many others since I got that advice as soon as I mentioned that relogging didn't fix it either.
dern... what i do with that shocked face again....
AH HA! found it.. :eek:
meaning ships like the NEW Bortas? hmmm? or perhaps some other ships? you understand its a T5 FLAGSHIP of the KLINGON EMPIRE, which was a one trick pony after the latest nerf, now is worse then that???
here u can have my shocked face :eek: and a few others
hope this helps.
cya later have to try find a ship with more than one sci slot to replace my bug ship
after patch 8374 shield -> 9054 shield on the same dreadnought.
talking about a universal nerf on everyone, well played cryptic.
until you start stacking them...oh hai science ships with 15K shields.
well i can't speak for others only for myself.
I would usually do that for the other game, but consider the poor rate of reply from dev on this forum/game, nah, i rather spend my time making an extra post. (on the side note, still stareing at my 7 days open in-game ticket)
Actually, I have over 20,000.
And +35 is still better than +26. You should be able to stack it now.
But it's useless for my bop now.
You do realize that this patch *WAS* supposed to be a fix, don't you? Cryptic's track record on fixes and reputation aren't worth a whole heck of a lot to me right now.
it went from +% to +skill.
the only way this could have happened is on purpose. it wasnt a simple console transfer. they chaged the console from a % to a skill increase. and now theyre playing dumb about it.
you cant fool me cryptic....
Firstly, shields were (and always had been) an Engineering role (according to canon) unless shields were in someway affected by their surroundings, though normally if the shields were done for the ship normally was (to a degree).
Second, there was *already* a console for shields in Science (Shield Emitters) that came with the Science Console overhaul for Season 5.
Third, this now means that Engineering consoles have lost MORE than Science has GAINED. Put it simply, most players will be using a combination of SIF Generator and this console (pre nerf) in their Engineering slots as it gives both an improvement in hull regen and shield capacity, as well as whatever "power" console (such as the Anti-Matter Spread) they were using if they had more than two.
Colour me extremely un-impressed. At the very least, they should've swapped the consoles round so that this console moves to Science and the Shield Emitters console got moved to Engineering. At least it would stop *some* of the negativity if the players got offered a (meagre) replacement.
They are not consistently going into the overflow bag. Two of my consoles just vaporized entirely and I had to re-buy their nerfed counterparts on the Exchange.
nerfed no, they changed it from engineering to science for some reason
and unless a bug or bad rumor, it now a +35 power console as oppossed to a +35% and is stackable.
thought they said that was a bug
Do you run a SciBoP?
otherwise try Scicon = FE/ SEA / FE
fe = Field Emmiter
SEA = Shield Emmitter Amplifier
Have we gotten a Dev response to that?
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=3985491&postcount=175
Yes, the whole debacle with moving eng consoles to sci slots to "fix" sci consoles was boneheaded. Yes, they broke the conversion. Yes, nothing about this switchover is going as they said. Yes, they're aware of it and intend to fix it.
No, it is not some giant conspiracy to drive some of you away from the game and ruin your lives.