that defeats the purpose they said we could leave it on the engineering spot but if we move it we couldnt put it back well they moved it so we have no choice now that isnt right they need to fix this
Based on that information I've crafted a Field Generator. Ok, 7,000 dilithium aren't much, but it still angers me, that I've spent them for nothing. Well, I should have known better, and the devs cannot respect the needs of all players. Otherwise there would be no further development. But that doesn't make me feel better and I'm starting to ask myself, why am I still doing this, why am I working on my builds day after day when they get nerfed anyway with the next update.
I had the +35% console on the ships of all of my VA captains.
I log in after the patch and the console is missing on most all of my toons. Where the console was slotted on my ships is now an empty hole. In addition the console is not in my inventory.. It appears to have been deleted.
I paid DL for each of those Mk XI consoles and now they are just removed from the toon? What is that?
Cryptic, give me back my consoles or refund the DL I spent on them... As it is now you took something I paid you real cash to get ($ > C-Points > DL) and just outright deleted it on most all my toons.
The Shield consoles that were changed to science are no longer on my ship. As a matter of fact, they aren't on my character anymore at all!!!! They are completely removed! I thought that any change would not affect the consoles current location, much less be removed automatically?! COME ON GUYS!
that defeats the purpose they said we could leave it on the engineering spot but if we move it we couldnt put it back well they moved it so we have no choice now that isnt right they need to fix this
It's going to be nearly impossible to fix this now since it's already affected most/all players unless they are changed back to engineering consoles.
I would, however, like to hear the justification for this change. It makes no sense to me. Why would you modify the existing ones instead of creating entire new science consoles? I also use more shield modification powers on my Engineering DOff's than Science Doff's.
It's going to be nearly impossible to fix this now since it's already affected most/all players unless they are changed back to engineering consoles.
I would, however, like to hear the justification for this change. It makes no sense to me. Why would you modify the existing ones instead of creating entire new science consoles? I also use more shield modification powers on my Engineering DOff's than Science Doff's.
I would like to know why it seems random if your account is affected to get them ejected or not...
A friend has all of em still in the ships and I have all of em out :rolleyes:
1) This is the same guy that asked for feedback on the new ships, got over 25 pages of it, and then completely ignored it. I'm not really sure how much I believe him.
2) Adjusting these consoles to use skill while still providing the same buff would require them to set the skill bonus to more than 100 - i.e. more than you get from actual skills. That's going to look pretty weird, and when they see it, they may decide not to return them to that level.
3) The console has needed a nerf for a long time.
4) It is currently possible to stack them, so with 3 or 4 of them you get back to, and possibly over, the old shield values.
Taken together, this looks far more like a deliberate plan than an accident. And, even if it is an accident, I have a feeling that it is going to stick around.
Taken together, this looks far more like a deliberate plan than an accident. And, even if it is an accident, I have a feeling that it is going to stick around.
'Accidents' have a way of doing that around here. :rolleyes:
Time honored cop out strategy for people who are embarrassed to admit they used their power to do something wrong.
A fleetmate just confirmed both of his are missing also. I went and made a new console, swapped my borg console to that empty engineering slot, put the new generator on, and it's making no change to my ship! Seriously? This is the most pita nerf you guys have ever done. I want answers!
I found your stupid consoles. They were in my overflow bag. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE! WTF?! There is the saying 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it'. Rediculous.
The problem is, that the players can spend real money to buy more dilithium. Therefore every item has a value in real money. Ok, a Field Generator isn't very expensive, but it still has a value, either in time (to farm the necessary dilithium) or in real money (for those who buy dilithium with cryptic points). And there surely are players, who don't like these changes because they realized, that they have spent precious cryptic points for nothing. That's something Cryptic has to consider in the future. Balancing is an ongoing process, but this more than just balancing some values. The devs have literally removed an item from the game an replaced it with a completely different item. That goes too far, and although it might have been necessary, it should not happen anymore in future.
Ok, I see they're "working" on it. But how or why has this been turned into a Sci Console instead of it being an Eng Console
Two reasons.
1) As of the recent skills change, shields are a science thing instead of an engineering thing.
2) Previously, science consoles were only really useful on science ships. Now, they (well, at least one) have a use even if you are not boosting science powers.
Moving it to Science, I think was a good move. Especially for Cruiser and Escort captains where their only real Science console of any use was Bio Mon. And that wasn't very useful for Escorts anyway with such a small crew in the first place.
Now they can put it in Science and free up an Engineering socket for something actualy useful like more Armor(s) or SIF, and still keep the field emitter.
Then.. there is that bit about converting the Field Emitter to +Skill rather than keeping flat percentage. That I do kind of question.
This is NOT true... When you first Log into the game, yes it stays in your Eng. slots... Though once you either Beam to your ship, or play any mission, they automaticaly go into your OVERFLOW BAG in the Inventory Window... WHY???
I'm going to go with... "Because it is Cryptic, and they lie." "Because they cannot QA anything to save their life" would also have been accepted.
come on after all we went trough to get that ship and u change the engi consoles to science.....
increase the science conlose on bug ship or change it back to the way it was :mad:
1) This is the same guy that asked for feedback on the new ships, got over 25 pages of it, and then completely ignored it. I'm not really sure how much I believe him.
2) Adjusting these consoles to use skill while still providing the same buff would require them to set the skill bonus to more than 100 - i.e. more than you get from actual skills. That's going to look pretty weird, and when they see it, they may decide not to return them to that level.
3) The console has needed a nerf for a long time.
4) It is currently possible to stack them, so with 3 or 4 of them you get back to, and possibly over, the old shield values.
One more point:
5) It results in the Jem'Haddar ship being indirectly nerfed.
Ugh. Change not needed. Granted, I often struggle with finding stuff to put in Science console slots, but now my Defiant refit has a problem. It only has 2 spaces, and both consoles in those 2 spots are sorely needed. One is the Borg console, and the other is a Biofunction monitor which definitely helps a lot due to the tendency for my entire crew to die whenever I am attacked.
I feel hamstrung. I don't dare move the console I have from the engineering spot it currently resides in now.
Edit: never mind - checking my overflow bag removed it for me. Cryptic - please stop changing things that were not asked for nor needed. Make new missions.
Ugh. Change not needed. Granted, I often struggle with finding stuff to put in Science console slots, but now my Defiant refit has a problem. It only has 2 spaces, and both consoles in those 2 spots are sorely needed. One is the Borg console, and the other is a Biofunction monitor which definitely helps a lot due to the tendency for my entire crew to die whenever I am attacked.
I feel hamstrung. I don't dare move the console I have from the engineering spot it currently resides in now.
Good news then. As soon as you run a mission or beam to your ship, the console will automatically move to your overflow bag. Enjoy!
This is par for the course for Cryptic. Get used to it.
The Bug ship did need a weakness, so alot of us would be happy to see it suffer, even if only by sideaffect
considering how rare it is and how much money we spent for the ship it should be better than other escorts.
but its not like it was better anyway but now it just sucks big time nerly imposibe to keep shields up now.:mad:
My favorite part of this is the assurance that if the console is left in the engineering slot, it'll stay there. Until the patch goes in and the patch forcibly removes it from your engineering slot and makes you search for it in the overflow bag and have to re-equip it as a science console.
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Based on that information I've crafted a Field Generator. Ok, 7,000 dilithium aren't much, but it still angers me, that I've spent them for nothing. Well, I should have known better, and the devs cannot respect the needs of all players. Otherwise there would be no further development. But that doesn't make me feel better and I'm starting to ask myself, why am I still doing this, why am I working on my builds day after day when they get nerfed anyway with the next update.
I log in after the patch and the console is missing on most all of my toons. Where the console was slotted on my ships is now an empty hole. In addition the console is not in my inventory.. It appears to have been deleted.
I paid DL for each of those Mk XI consoles and now they are just removed from the toon? What is that?
Cryptic, give me back my consoles or refund the DL I spent on them... As it is now you took something I paid you real cash to get ($ > C-Points > DL) and just outright deleted it on most all my toons.
This is not cool in my book.
<sigh>
It's going to be nearly impossible to fix this now since it's already affected most/all players unless they are changed back to engineering consoles.
I would, however, like to hear the justification for this change. It makes no sense to me. Why would you modify the existing ones instead of creating entire new science consoles? I also use more shield modification powers on my Engineering DOff's than Science Doff's.
I would like to know why it seems random if your account is affected to get them ejected or not...
A friend has all of em still in the ships and I have all of em out :rolleyes:
Well, a couple of points:
1) This is the same guy that asked for feedback on the new ships, got over 25 pages of it, and then completely ignored it. I'm not really sure how much I believe him.
2) Adjusting these consoles to use skill while still providing the same buff would require them to set the skill bonus to more than 100 - i.e. more than you get from actual skills. That's going to look pretty weird, and when they see it, they may decide not to return them to that level.
3) The console has needed a nerf for a long time.
4) It is currently possible to stack them, so with 3 or 4 of them you get back to, and possibly over, the old shield values.
Taken together, this looks far more like a deliberate plan than an accident. And, even if it is an accident, I have a feeling that it is going to stick around.
'Accidents' have a way of doing that around here. :rolleyes:
Time honored cop out strategy for people who are embarrassed to admit they used their power to do something wrong.
Two reasons.
1) As of the recent skills change, shields are a science thing instead of an engineering thing.
2) Previously, science consoles were only really useful on science ships. Now, they (well, at least one) have a use even if you are not boosting science powers.
Copy/Paste from my other post
I'm going to go with... "Because it is Cryptic, and they lie." "Because they cannot QA anything to save their life" would also have been accepted.
increase the science conlose on bug ship or change it back to the way it was :mad:
One more point:
5) It results in the Jem'Haddar ship being indirectly nerfed.
Yeah, this change isn't going away.
I feel hamstrung. I don't dare move the console I have from the engineering spot it currently resides in now.
Edit: never mind - checking my overflow bag removed it for me. Cryptic - please stop changing things that were not asked for nor needed. Make new missions.
Good news then. As soon as you run a mission or beam to your ship, the console will automatically move to your overflow bag. Enjoy!
Yep, see my edited post.
considering how rare it is and how much money we spent for the ship it should be better than other escorts.
but its not like it was better anyway but now it just sucks big time nerly imposibe to keep shields up now.:mad:
Bang up job! Top notch!
Yes. Because you spent your real money on a video game you deserve to be the best. Around. No one's ever gonna keep you down.
Suddenly I like it.
Put the shield console in a sci slot and move the assimilated console from sci to the engineer slot the shield console just came out of.
not ideal, but there is a reason why universal console are universal