But your post history suggests you are intensely covetous of the items in the C-Store and simply don't wish to pay for them, so you're obviously not as disaffected as you claim to be.
Reread my post history. Yes, I don't like the way that Cryptic is handling the C-Store, but I am far from a hater. Covetous? Hardly. Jealous? Get real. I'd rather work for my items, not just plop down a few bucks and get the new shiny of the week. Besides, there's very little there that I really want.
Cryptic, don't wreck the game's revenue stream by giving EVERYTHING free. It doesn't take a genius to see these folks who come here and flame the forums don't know the first thing about business. People fuss about how stuff should be available in-game and then fuss about the amount of grinding required to get said item on top of it.
Think about it. If you give the option of paying now for the item (C-Store) or grinding and working for the same item (badges, accolades, veteran's rewards, etc)...well, look. Cryptic would be making money either way. Getting people to grind means that they're playing (and paying if a monthly) to get the item...potentially making MORE money that way. It wouldn't be free. (BTW, I was a business major in college, so I'd like to think that I know a LITTLE something about it)
EDIT: Oh, and if you think think that I want the C-Store closed, then think again. Read my posts in the thread asking for it to be done and you'll see that I think that it should stay. It's not a bad concept, but it was poorly executed.
i'm confused on something here - I've seen the engineering reports about adding critters to the planets, but where was it ever mentioned that there would be pets going up on the c-store? I don't remember seeing a thread bout that.
i'm confused on something here - I've seen the engineering reports about adding critters to the planets, but where was it ever mentioned that there would be pets going up on the c-store? I don't remember seeing a thread bout that.
That's because the critters in the engineering reports were for ambient creatures to planets, not pets. This is just a bonus. There hasn't been a thread about it, it was only recently announced.
If this is a pet and those things exist in the game as ambient creatures then at least it falls under the legitimate family of C Store items.
Thank you.
This item does in fact fall under the category of items that SHOULD be in the C-store and you people are freaking out about it. Did any of you expect to get a Sehlat pet? It was a surprise to me. If not than you REALLY shouldn't complain because an item you didnt know was ever going to exist was put in the C-store.
The C-store exists, people. They are going to put things in it, including pets, get over it. You cant freak out everytime an item goes into the C-store.
I didn't hear about ambient critters pretty much since that poll.
It looks to me more like they made a few pets and instead of adding them as ambient critters they add them as C-Store Pets now.
The only Critter i have seen so far was the "Gekli" ...or "Junior" in the Undine Missions, which actually ended up to be a Ship instead of a neutral critter.
It certainly would be nice to see ambient critters first and THEN get the option to have one as pet ...not the other way arround.
Obviously you never played the Klingon only missions. First one you get has ambient critters wondering around.
Also after reading your post I see that once again you've made an assumption based on not being able to understand anything you read. It is quite clear that the quote you took from Dstahl refers to the critters on a planet during a mission while you somehow seem to think this is now only available via the C-store... What you get in the C-store will (as others have pointed out but ignored by you) will be a pet.
Yet more drama based on one persons inability to comprehend words.
Not a flame or an attack, just pointing out that your wrong... again.
Obviously you never played the Klingon only missions. First one you get has ambient critters wondering around.
Also after reading your post I see that once again you've made an assumption based on not being able to understand anything you read. It is quite clear that the quote you took from Dstahl refers to the critters on a planet during a mission while you somehow seem to think this is now only available via the C-store... What you get in the C-store will (as others have pointed out but ignored by you) will be a pet.
Yet more drama based on one persons inability to comprehend words.
Not a flame or an attack, just pointing out that your wrong... again.
I like how you worded that.
But also, you are correct. He was talking about the critters on the planets. Those OF COURSE are free. Pets are not, nor have they ever been free. So you and the rest are freaking out YET AGAIN over nothing.
I personally dont see a problem with this. It allows for more critters in the game. If you don't think you should have to spend money to have one follow you around then don't buy. More critters to look at plus more cash (and incentive) for cryptic to keep making stuff like this in game = win.
I'm fine with all of this... IF... there is a way to earn the pet just by playing the game.
I'm fine with all of this... IF... there is a way to earn the pet just by playing the game.
Well..........THERE......... is not. And I see no reason for there to be. Get over it. It is a vain item, and vain items, go in the C-store. They always have, no one complains about the Targ pup that's in there, or the tribbles, the rare pets, go in the C-store!
I am sure the Vulcan Sehlat is not related to critters. The Sehlat is a personal owned pet and the critters will manifest the planets.
You buy one and kill the others. Am I missing anything?
Yes you are missing things. They aren't all going to be viscous from my understanding. And they will be sehlats on Vulcan last I heard. Wild ones. Thus not only related to, but is part of the before mentioned 'critters'.
Well..........THERE......... is not. And I see no reason for there to be. Get over it. It is a vain item, and vain items, go in the C-store. They always have, no one complains about the Targ pup that's in there, or the tribbles, the rare pets, go in the C-store!
Game content is game content. I expect access to all game content for the price of the subscription fee. And I appreciate that dStahl has made attempts to make this happen with some of the latest items to be put up in the C-Store. Now only if he could make it all. I will continue to push until it happens even though I realize it may be a lost cause.
I dont want to see sto go F2P but they mite aswell as everything goes to the c-store anyway. What am i paying 15 bucks a month for? a weekly? so 4/15 = like 3.50 a week for a episode thats takes 20min to do?
Make sto f2p and charge us 2 bucks in cryptic points instead to run them (each episode), it would be cheaper for us
would save me 8 bucks a month cuz for these 8 bucks there isnt **** to do anyways
and getting a ship ingame for 500 emblems! can you think of a more boring way to earn a ship, Also it would take a month to earn it so you spent 15 bucks on it anyways + you lost alot of items you could have got with them emblems so you have to play another month (another 15 bucks) to get the items. so getting the ship in game and the gear the other guy who got it in c-store's amount of items for the emblems cost you 30 bucks
another MMO's expansion dosent even cost 30 bucks and there you get alot more content not just a ship and some items. Cryptic needs to look over there math
Game content is game content. I expect access to all game content for the price of the subscription fee. And I appreciate that dStahl has made attempts to make this happen with some of the latest items to be put up in the C-Store. Now only if he could make it all. I will continue to push until it happens even though I realize it may be a lost cause.
I blame DStahl himself for posts like this. He continues to set the expectation that forum tantrums with no basis in logic make it into the game. By refusing to financially support the game, you destroy the game. It's that simple.
I blame DStahl himself for posts like this. He continues to set the expectation that forum tantrums with no basis in logic make it into the game. By refusing to financially support the game, you destroy the game. It's that simple.
Please explain to me how my post is a forum tantrum and how it is that I have I not supported the game?
I personally dont see a problem with this. It allows for more critters in the game. If you don't think you should have to spend money to have one follow you around then don't buy. More critters to look at plus more cash (and incentive) for cryptic to keep making stuff like this in game = win.
Exactely. The ambient critters is probably a difficult project to get OK-ed by managment (time modeler's aren't working on something that would directly increase subscriptions, like new ships). But if you can use the same models for pets purchassed via-microtransaction then there's a revenue stream that requires the assets, and that justafies the time involved in creating the critters.
In short don't complain to much about the c-store pets as they're probably paying for the ambient critter project as a whole, which will make the in game maps much better overall.
Please explain to me how my post is a forum tantrum and how it is that I have I not supported the game?
From what I could tell about his posts in this thread, he likes to twist peoples' words around to suit whatever his own agenda is. I believe that these things should be attainable via other means as well, but he went and said that I'm a C-Store hater. He's doing the same to you, just because you think the same thing. He did that with others in this thread, too.
Personally, I don't think the C-Store items should just be handed out for free (apparently lost on Mr. Shizen), but I also don't think that the ONLY way should be to buy your way to them. I have said on several occasions to make them hard to attain in-game (also lost on Mr. Giggles, apparently). Give us a choice as to how we want to support the game...we can buy our way now through the C-Store or we can play the game and do the grind (whatever it would have turned out to be).
He probably just saw blue names and thought that we weren't supporting the game because we plopped down over $300.00 (at least $240.00 for the LTS and around $50-60 for at least one copy of the game) :rolleyes:
I dont want to see sto go F2P but they mite aswell as everything goes to the c-store anyway. What am i paying 15 bucks a month for? a weekly? so 4/15 = like 3.50 a week for a episode thats takes 20min to do?
Make sto f2p and charge us 2 bucks in cryptic points instead to run them (each episode), it would be cheaper for us
Where else do you get 20 minutes of genre entertainment for that price? 22 page comic books are $4 now. You can drop $3 for an episode of "How I Met Your Mother" on iTunes but I think a sci-fi game is worth more than that.
Now, I might agree you'd get a better value from some other MMOs. But, on the whole, I'd say weekly episodes plus access to things like PvP and UGC are worth $3.75 a week and that a good chunk of the C-Store doesn't strike me as content that needs to be included in the $15 a month (or even developed at all, really; it's nice but if it weren't on the C-Store, its exclusion wouldn't be worth noting).
From what I could tell about his posts in this thread, he likes to twist peoples' words around to suit whatever his own agenda is. I believe that these things should be attainable via other means as well, but he went and said that I'm a C-Store hater. He's doing the same to you, just because you think the same thing. He did that with others in this thread, too.
Personally, I don't think the C-Store items should just be handed out for free (apparently lost on Mr. Shizen), but I also don't think that the ONLY way should be to buy your way to them. I have said on several occasions to make them hard to attain in-game (also lost on Mr. Giggles, apparently). Give us a choice as to how we want to support the game...we can buy our way now through the C-Store or we can play the game and do the grind (whatever it would have turned out to be).
He probably just saw blue names and thought that we weren't supporting the game because we plopped down over $300.00 (at least $240.00 for the LTS and around $50-60 for at least one copy of the game) :rolleyes:
We are on the same page. Buy-it-now via the C-Store is fine as long as there is a way to get said items by playing the game. There is no reason there cannot be a game mechanic that forces you to subscribe a number of months in order to obtain an item that was put up in the C-Store. For example, if they add an item to the C-Store for $25 there is no reason that they cannot put a mechanic in the game that will require you to sub for 60 additional days from when the item was placed in the store -- in order to get the item by simply continuing your subscription.
Christ. As if Earth Spacedock didn't already look like a joke with 148 variations on the Starfleet uniform in 67 colors, females running around in dresses that make them look like they should be hooking the Vegas strip, and combat armored personnel that look like they belong on Reach, not Starbase 1 - Now we get to add 2000 sehlats to the mix, since everyone will get one to be unique, just to find out everyone had the same thought as them?
/facepalm
Yep. WoW in space with a hint of Star Trek flavor.
Christ. As if Earth Spacedock didn't already look like a joke with 148 variations on the Starfleet uniform in 67 colors, females running around in dresses that make them look like they should be hooking the Vegas strip, and combat armored personnel that look like they belong on Reach, not Starbase 1 - Now we get to add 2000 sehlats to the mix, since everyone will get one to be unique, just to find out everyone had the same thought as them?
/facepalm
Yep. WoW in space with a hint of Star Trek flavor.
Confine the pets to the Captain's quarters or ready-room. Problem solved (though this probably won't happen).
Christ. As if Earth Spacedock didn't already look like a joke with 148 variations on the Starfleet uniform in 67 colors, females running around in dresses that make them look like they should be hooking the Vegas strip, and combat armored personnel that look like they belong on Reach, not Starbase 1 - Now we get to add 2000 sehlats to the mix, since everyone will get one to be unique, just to find out everyone had the same thought as them?
/facepalm
Yep. WoW in space with a hint of Star Trek flavor.
Don't forget that there are more animals on that list too.:p
At least my targ pup makes sense, I'll just stay over here.
dStahl,
....how about i buy 10 of those and the Excelsior on top of it and therefore you tell a Dev to fix your User Interface so that it doesn't put my GPU in sleep mode while playing?
Its a pet. Pets are usually sold in item Stores. You ever played games with Item Stores before? Your complaining is completely off. First of all game is going pretty slow. There are very few new subscriptions and Cryptic needs to make at least SOME kind of money from this game. Instead of complaining go get a job and buy the pet from C-STore. Show a bit of your support to the game than just whinging about every item on C-STore.
Game content is game content. I expect access to all game content for the price of the subscription fee. And I appreciate that dStahl has made attempts to make this happen with some of the latest items to be put up in the C-Store. Now only if he could make it all. I will continue to push until it happens even though I realize it may be a lost cause.
Ah, but this is not game content. It is, as I have stated many a time, in fact, a vanity item. Nothing more than a pet. THUS something that belongs in the C-store
Christ. As if Earth Spacedock didn't already look like a joke with 148 variations on the Starfleet uniform in 67 colors, females running around in dresses that make them look like they should be hooking the Vegas strip, and combat armored personnel that look like they belong on Reach, not Starbase 1 - Now we get to add 2000 sehlats to the mix, since everyone will get one to be unique, just to find out everyone had the same thought as them?
/facepalm
Yep. WoW in space with a hint of Star Trek flavor.
DS9 had officers going around in all sorts of off-duty wear and several different uniforms while on-duty - even Picard and Sisko wore different uniforms as they both fell under different commands.
It wasn't like the Enterprise-D was waiting a shipment of the new space pants....
Ah, but this is not game content. It is, as I have stated many a time, in fact, a vanity item. Nothing more than a pet. THUS something that belongs in the C-store
Anything that is in the game IS game content just as 2 + 2 equals 4. But believe what you will.
DS9 had officers going around in all sorts of off-duty wear and several different uniforms while on-duty - even Picard and Sisko wore different uniforms as they both fell under different commands.
It wasn't like the Enterprise-D was waiting a shipment of the new space pants....
First and foremost -
DS9 is an exception to the rule. It wasn't a Starfleet installation, more like a Deep Space Station K-7, where Starfleet was there alot, the Federation oversaw it, but most parts of the station were open to the public. Therefore, you would see a variety of costumes and uniforms. For the visitors. However, DS9 Starfleet personnel wore one standardized uniform, as did Bajoran Militia personnel. You didn't see Sisko, Dax, Bashir and Worf all wearing whatever they wanted. When on duty, they all wore the same UNIFORM. That's what the word Uniform is about. Consistency.
Secondly, Picard's crew and DS9's crew wore different uniforms because during that period, Starfleet was in the process of making a change, whereas the DS9 Jumpsuit was consider a standard duty uniform and the TNG uniform was more like a lite-dress uniform. We saw this reflected in Star Trek: Generations where the Enterprise crew was seen wearing both uniforms. (DS9 Jumpsuit and TNG Season 7 Uniform) This is further reflected in the DS9 "Homefront" story arc when Sisko returns to Earth, and instead of wearing the DS9 jumpsuit he has been wearing day to day on station, he is wearing the TNG Season 7 uniform that he wore when he arrived on DS9. That would suggest the TNG Season 7 uniform was retained for more formalized occasions such as a meeting with the brass, where a full dress uniform wouldn't be required, but a jumpsuit would be considered inappropriate.
Now to the issue of Earth Space Dock. Earth Space Dock (aka Starbase 1) can't be compared to DS9 in terms of seeing a variety of uniforms, because Starbase 1 is a full fledged, restricted access, Starfleet facility, rather than a public space station like DS9. So, you might see some minor variety in uniforms if Starfleet is in a transition period (ala TNG / DS9) but for the most part, all Starfleet personnel aboard station would be wearing the same thing. Not formal gowns, tuxedoes, and everything else that seems to appear in STO's space dock.
And most certainly (to get this back on topic) you wouldn't see people walking their pets on Starbase 1.
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I don't mind buying it in the c-store either.
Reread my post history. Yes, I don't like the way that Cryptic is handling the C-Store, but I am far from a hater. Covetous? Hardly. Jealous? Get real. I'd rather work for my items, not just plop down a few bucks and get the new shiny of the week. Besides, there's very little there that I really want.
Think about it. If you give the option of paying now for the item (C-Store) or grinding and working for the same item (badges, accolades, veteran's rewards, etc)...well, look. Cryptic would be making money either way. Getting people to grind means that they're playing (and paying if a monthly) to get the item...potentially making MORE money that way. It wouldn't be free. (BTW, I was a business major in college, so I'd like to think that I know a LITTLE something about it)
EDIT: Oh, and if you think think that I want the C-Store closed, then think again. Read my posts in the thread asking for it to be done and you'll see that I think that it should stay. It's not a bad concept, but it was poorly executed.
That's because the critters in the engineering reports were for ambient creatures to planets, not pets. This is just a bonus. There hasn't been a thread about it, it was only recently announced.
Thank you.
This item does in fact fall under the category of items that SHOULD be in the C-store and you people are freaking out about it. Did any of you expect to get a Sehlat pet? It was a surprise to me. If not than you REALLY shouldn't complain because an item you didnt know was ever going to exist was put in the C-store.
The C-store exists, people. They are going to put things in it, including pets, get over it. You cant freak out everytime an item goes into the C-store.
You buy one and kill the others. Am I missing anything?
Obviously you never played the Klingon only missions. First one you get has ambient critters wondering around.
Also after reading your post I see that once again you've made an assumption based on not being able to understand anything you read. It is quite clear that the quote you took from Dstahl refers to the critters on a planet during a mission while you somehow seem to think this is now only available via the C-store... What you get in the C-store will (as others have pointed out but ignored by you) will be a pet.
Yet more drama based on one persons inability to comprehend words.
Not a flame or an attack, just pointing out that your wrong... again.
I like how you worded that.
But also, you are correct. He was talking about the critters on the planets. Those OF COURSE are free. Pets are not, nor have they ever been free. So you and the rest are freaking out YET AGAIN over nothing.
I'm fine with all of this... IF... there is a way to earn the pet just by playing the game.
Well..........THERE......... is not. And I see no reason for there to be. Get over it. It is a vain item, and vain items, go in the C-store. They always have, no one complains about the Targ pup that's in there, or the tribbles, the rare pets, go in the C-store!
Yes you are missing things. They aren't all going to be viscous from my understanding. And they will be sehlats on Vulcan last I heard. Wild ones. Thus not only related to, but is part of the before mentioned 'critters'.
Game content is game content. I expect access to all game content for the price of the subscription fee. And I appreciate that dStahl has made attempts to make this happen with some of the latest items to be put up in the C-Store. Now only if he could make it all. I will continue to push until it happens even though I realize it may be a lost cause.
Make sto f2p and charge us 2 bucks in cryptic points instead to run them (each episode), it would be cheaper for us
would save me 8 bucks a month cuz for these 8 bucks there isnt **** to do anyways
and getting a ship ingame for 500 emblems! can you think of a more boring way to earn a ship, Also it would take a month to earn it so you spent 15 bucks on it anyways + you lost alot of items you could have got with them emblems so you have to play another month (another 15 bucks) to get the items. so getting the ship in game and the gear the other guy who got it in c-store's amount of items for the emblems cost you 30 bucks
another MMO's expansion dosent even cost 30 bucks and there you get alot more content not just a ship and some items. Cryptic needs to look over there math
I blame DStahl himself for posts like this. He continues to set the expectation that forum tantrums with no basis in logic make it into the game. By refusing to financially support the game, you destroy the game. It's that simple.
Please explain to me how my post is a forum tantrum and how it is that I have I not supported the game?
Exactely. The ambient critters is probably a difficult project to get OK-ed by managment (time modeler's aren't working on something that would directly increase subscriptions, like new ships). But if you can use the same models for pets purchassed via-microtransaction then there's a revenue stream that requires the assets, and that justafies the time involved in creating the critters.
In short don't complain to much about the c-store pets as they're probably paying for the ambient critter project as a whole, which will make the in game maps much better overall.
From what I could tell about his posts in this thread, he likes to twist peoples' words around to suit whatever his own agenda is. I believe that these things should be attainable via other means as well, but he went and said that I'm a C-Store hater. He's doing the same to you, just because you think the same thing. He did that with others in this thread, too.
Personally, I don't think the C-Store items should just be handed out for free (apparently lost on Mr. Shizen), but I also don't think that the ONLY way should be to buy your way to them. I have said on several occasions to make them hard to attain in-game (also lost on Mr. Giggles, apparently). Give us a choice as to how we want to support the game...we can buy our way now through the C-Store or we can play the game and do the grind (whatever it would have turned out to be).
He probably just saw blue names and thought that we weren't supporting the game because we plopped down over $300.00 (at least $240.00 for the LTS and around $50-60 for at least one copy of the game) :rolleyes:
Where else do you get 20 minutes of genre entertainment for that price? 22 page comic books are $4 now. You can drop $3 for an episode of "How I Met Your Mother" on iTunes but I think a sci-fi game is worth more than that.
Now, I might agree you'd get a better value from some other MMOs. But, on the whole, I'd say weekly episodes plus access to things like PvP and UGC are worth $3.75 a week and that a good chunk of the C-Store doesn't strike me as content that needs to be included in the $15 a month (or even developed at all, really; it's nice but if it weren't on the C-Store, its exclusion wouldn't be worth noting).
We are on the same page. Buy-it-now via the C-Store is fine as long as there is a way to get said items by playing the game. There is no reason there cannot be a game mechanic that forces you to subscribe a number of months in order to obtain an item that was put up in the C-Store. For example, if they add an item to the C-Store for $25 there is no reason that they cannot put a mechanic in the game that will require you to sub for 60 additional days from when the item was placed in the store -- in order to get the item by simply continuing your subscription.
/facepalm
Yep. WoW in space with a hint of Star Trek flavor.
Confine the pets to the Captain's quarters or ready-room. Problem solved (though this probably won't happen).
That would be nice, but yeah, likely never going to happen.
Pretty soon Earth Spacedock is going to look an awful lot like Stormwind. Or at least Dalaran.
Don't forget that there are more animals on that list too.:p
At least my targ pup makes sense, I'll just stay over here.
Its a pet. Pets are usually sold in item Stores. You ever played games with Item Stores before? Your complaining is completely off. First of all game is going pretty slow. There are very few new subscriptions and Cryptic needs to make at least SOME kind of money from this game. Instead of complaining go get a job and buy the pet from C-STore. Show a bit of your support to the game than just whinging about every item on C-STore.
Ah, but this is not game content. It is, as I have stated many a time, in fact, a vanity item. Nothing more than a pet. THUS something that belongs in the C-store
It wasn't like the Enterprise-D was waiting a shipment of the new space pants....
Anything that is in the game IS game content just as 2 + 2 equals 4. But believe what you will.
First and foremost -
DS9 is an exception to the rule. It wasn't a Starfleet installation, more like a Deep Space Station K-7, where Starfleet was there alot, the Federation oversaw it, but most parts of the station were open to the public. Therefore, you would see a variety of costumes and uniforms. For the visitors. However, DS9 Starfleet personnel wore one standardized uniform, as did Bajoran Militia personnel. You didn't see Sisko, Dax, Bashir and Worf all wearing whatever they wanted. When on duty, they all wore the same UNIFORM. That's what the word Uniform is about. Consistency.
Secondly, Picard's crew and DS9's crew wore different uniforms because during that period, Starfleet was in the process of making a change, whereas the DS9 Jumpsuit was consider a standard duty uniform and the TNG uniform was more like a lite-dress uniform. We saw this reflected in Star Trek: Generations where the Enterprise crew was seen wearing both uniforms. (DS9 Jumpsuit and TNG Season 7 Uniform) This is further reflected in the DS9 "Homefront" story arc when Sisko returns to Earth, and instead of wearing the DS9 jumpsuit he has been wearing day to day on station, he is wearing the TNG Season 7 uniform that he wore when he arrived on DS9. That would suggest the TNG Season 7 uniform was retained for more formalized occasions such as a meeting with the brass, where a full dress uniform wouldn't be required, but a jumpsuit would be considered inappropriate.
Now to the issue of Earth Space Dock. Earth Space Dock (aka Starbase 1) can't be compared to DS9 in terms of seeing a variety of uniforms, because Starbase 1 is a full fledged, restricted access, Starfleet facility, rather than a public space station like DS9. So, you might see some minor variety in uniforms if Starfleet is in a transition period (ala TNG / DS9) but for the most part, all Starfleet personnel aboard station would be wearing the same thing. Not formal gowns, tuxedoes, and everything else that seems to appear in STO's space dock.
And most certainly (to get this back on topic) you wouldn't see people walking their pets on Starbase 1.