Not quite sure where you got that they're a frigate from, Rick Sternbach designed her as an explorer vessel. Though the only reference to the ship in the series was: "Voyager may not be as big as a Galaxy class ship but she's quick and smart, like her Captain." (VOY: "Scientific Method", "Relativity").
Copied straight from Memory Alpha without citing the source, lol.
Making this ship a DSSV with Galaxy turn rate will make it the single worst science vessel in the fleet.
You guys are being blind to gameplay here out of love of canon or whatever.
It'd be the Galaxy X of science ships. Pretty to look at, but horrible to pilot. Let this thing stay as dstahl posted ... a cruiser. With that setup it's got a chance to be good.
As a DSSV it won't be worth the money you spend on it.
Hmm, considering that this game has needed improved cloak detection for quite some time... is it really wise to release a ship whose special ability is cloak detection into the C-Store? Isn't this one step shy of paying for a bug fix? When a certain functionality has been lacking you generally don't tack a fix onto a product and stick it into the money store.
Now, someone with an orange name might say that "improved cloak detection" is "in the works" or is on the way in the "coming months" for the ships that are in the game now, but is that actually anything even resembling acceptable?
Boy is this one a doozy. Stealth detection as a paid ability. The slippery slope that Cryptic has in their offices must be smoother than Teflon.
It'd be the Galaxy X of science ships. Pretty to look at, but horrible to pilot. Let this thing stay as dstahl posted ... a cruiser. With that setup it's got a chance to be good.
As a DSSV it won't be worth the money you spend on it.
Yup. I don't see why people are nitpicking this ship to death. I understand some of the complaints, but it's just another ship out of the many we have added recently. We'll get more science and escorts later (and hopefully more Klingon ships before anything else Fed side). :rolleyes:
Tru dat. I was hoping for a T3 Nebula as well so I no longer have to pilot that gawd aweful golf ball epcot center hospital ship! *cringe*
T3 version would be nice, as long as they make it a sci-vessel. I hated flying that .... well I probably can't say what 'micro organism' produced by males it looks like, just slap on a pair of nacelles.
Yup. I don't see why people are nitpicking this ship to death. I understand some of the complaints, but it's just another ship out of the many we have added recently. We'll get more science and escorts later (and hopefully more Klingon ships before anything else Fed side). :rolleyes:
Exactly. People are being way too hasty here.
Putting science powers on a ship that turns like a galaxy?
That's ... impulsive. So many science powers require a 90 degree arc. The galaxy's weakness is ... it can't maintain a 90 degree arc.
Except the statement made was about what is/was and not what might be:
What is/was is what's up for debate, not what might be. For all we know, the Nebula will be the 1st duel specialty ship, but thats not a set up thats been put forth. They want our reactions. While its nice to have so many new cruisers I'll never fly, I think it's time for the science people to get a ship, along with a Norway or Steamrunner for the escort flyers.
A possibility atm is that the Nebual could be a DSSV varient. i put my feedback behind that option. We all don't need new shinies, especially us cruiser captains who have the excelsior.
Very first episode, she is talked about in the same vein as the defiant, a new wave of ships designed to pack a punch. The Prometheus class is actually an evolution of the Intrepid design.
And when was any of that mentioned exactly in the episode, having watched it not too long ago I'm sure I'd have remembered?
I know this was said about the ship:
Tom Paris: "I've never seen a Federation Starship that could maneuver through the plasma storms."
captain Janeway: "You've never seen Voyager."
*sigh* Another cruiser, now i am sad. We need science ship and escort options. Players with those ships have money too, you know.
you can clearly use 2 science officers on that and make it a sci cruiser if you want, or you can pack some decent tac on or make it an overhealed engie boff tank. its the kdf that doesnt have a single, not one, dedicated sci vessel, we have a tac carrier with built in target subs, oooo, useless.
The thing can be equipped with a tactical pod with tons of torpedoes. In soft canon it was roughly 80% as strong as a Galaxy however in many soft canon sources it could surpass the Galaxy in ONE job if properly equipped (firepower, shields, whatever).
That's soft canon though.
I still must say that we NEED a Lieutenant Commander Universal Slot. This ship is supposed to be Versatile (yes, by equipment but we'll ignore that). Having just one Lieutenant slot won't cut it.
Nerf whatever you need to so we can make it happen.
The shape of the Nebula doesn't exactly scream "Cruiser" isn't exactly common shape period, and the shapes of most Starfleet vessels, regardless of purpose, are fairly standard. In fact, the Advanced Escorts, Reconnaissance Science Vessels, Heavy Escorts, Research Science Vessels, Long Range Science Vessels, and vanilla Science Vessels are all much closer to the traditional "Cruiser shape," meaning a saucer separated from a body, with the nacelles jutting outward from the body on pylons. The Nebula, on the other hand, is all wrapped around itself.
Seriously, all the cruisers have been damage centric ships except the Star Cruiser.
So you believe that the three additional Cruisers released (GalX, GalR and ExR) weren't quite your cup of tea so there should be a fourth released? While there has been a total of one Science Vessel and one Escort... so you think Cruisers should have twice as many new ships as the other two classes combined because you they haven't quite gotten all the flavours is basically what you're saying, meanwhile everyone else has had... significantly less...
Why not the C-Store? It really would cause a lot of trouble and flames forum posts if they didnt put it in the C-Store. 500 Emblems is ludicrous. And most players have spent their plaque already.
He didn't say NO money store, he said he wanted other methods AS WELL. The Excelsior can't be earned in game, it must be bought with real money. He, and most people, want to avoid a re-occurrence.
Of course, it's sounding in here like there will only be ONE Nebula. Supposedly the "compromise" for the Excelsior being in the C-Store at T5 was a free T3 version. If there's no T3 version... what will be the compromise on the Nebula to make it easier to swallow that we're being asked to pay for more content?
Tru dat. I was hoping for a T3 Nebula as well so I no longer have to pilot that gawd aweful golf ball epcot center hospital ship! *cringe*
You know... I absolutely -HATED- that ship. Up until I flew it. I was just so much of an improvement over the Nova that I immediately took to it and loved the ship.
QFT. Dan is stating how much he wants to do things to help fill out the Klingon side, but I see little action on that. And with this thread I see little planning for that as well. At least the latest poll asked what sort of Klingon ship we want. But then that gets overshadowed when 4 more fed ships are released right afterward. *sigh*
I haven't read all 19 pages, so forgive me if this has been suggested.
Why not make it a hybrid. That is, give it the Cruiser stats and skills, but give it a top end Console slot that's universal. Cruiser pilots could use Engineers, Science Captains could use Science Officers. Heck, that would even let Tactical Captains use Tactical Officers.
Thus:
Nebula
A StarCruiser variant (Its not a Retrofit. It utilizes the StarCruiser Skill).
Unique Ability:
Tachyon Detection Grid: PBAoE buff that increases your, and allies w/in 10k, Starship Sensor Stat and Cloak Detection. Each buffed ally in turn will buff more allies within 10k of them - thus extending the grid.
Turn Rate = Galaxy
Any other stats not mentioned are the same as a Star Cruiser.
You know... I absolutely -HATED- that ship. Up until I flew it. I was just so much of an improvement over the Nova that I immediately took to it and loved the ship.
Of course, this was before the Science nerf...
Yes it is a very nice ship once you get past the fact that you're piloting an ice cream scoop with warp nacelles. The weapons and turn rate on it are great.
I think it should be more nimble than the galaxy or at the very least a tad bit faster than other cruisers if anything because of it's size.
I also am in the school of thought that it should maybe be a science ship, but maybe make it like a blend of the two, lime make it more sluggish than a DSSV and more nimble than a cruiser give it a little more hull and little less shields than a science vessel. As for the BO slots I'm thinking something like this:
Boff seats:
1 Lt Science
1 Cm Science
1 LC Eng
1 Lt Universal
This keeps with it's mutirole support set up so you COULD use the 4th BO for tactical stuff OR you could put more science or engineer things in there.
BTW, you ensign seats, right? You didn't get the ranks mixed up did you?
Also, if you've done what I think you did based on the second screen shot, making a variant of it for each galaxy variant is, hands down, the most freaking awesome thing ever and I'm glad you guys took that initiative
it also has to do with the device slots. there are 4 for engy and 3 for sci...just revese it and allow it to be more sci based...
you also have the CDR engy slot verses the LCdr Sci slot...
thus it makes it a base engy ship (cruiser) and more geared for skill sets in that class.
guy what difference does that make, you can put aux modifiers in there, or shield (depending on your taste), the eng/cruiser is the universal of them all, it doesnt matter that its not a sci or an escort. canon classifies it as a cruiser, it is too big to be a sci ship. a sci ship with all the sci capabilites and 700-800 crew and all that hull, would be out of the question. this is why they made it a cruiser. im a tac officer and i dont wine whenever they offer a new cruiser, cause if i like it, i can fly it...
sci guys should buck up and try something different, think outside the box. ur all the same....
also, it should be more nimble, as it is sort of the same size as an akira class. and it is a "MORE" compact version of the galaxy. that would denote a lightly higher turn rate and maybe a little quicker.
i also think to make it more universal and to apease to the sci's and maybe tacs as well, you should make the console layout universal.
something like... 2sci, 2eng. and 2 tac with the option of adding two consoles wherever needed, giving alot of possabilites like 3/3/2 or4/2/2 you get the picture. i think that would be cool , and wouldnt be too op. remember adversity breads innovation, even if something comes out that at first has an advantage, people will soon find a way to break that advantage.
The Olympic-class is sexy. It's a risk taking design that pwns.
I'm glad you enjoy it. (private facepalm). I really hope you get a chance to purchase it from the C-Store and have fun! (private facepalm). More power to you. ... for me the Olympic class looks like a woman's best friend (to put it nicely).
The thing can be equipped with a tactical pod with tons of torpedoes. In soft canon it was roughly 80% as strong as a Galaxy however in many soft canon sources it could surpass the Galaxy in ONE job if properly equipped (firepower, shields, whatever).
That's soft canon though.
I still must say that we NEED a Lieutenant Commander Universal Slot. This ship is supposed to be Versatile (yes, by equipment but we'll ignore that). Having just one Lieutenant slot won't cut it.
Nerf whatever you need to so we can make it happen.
correct me if im wrong but isnt the galaxy's saucer section interchangable with the nebula, im sure i read that somewhere?
It's basically got the same saucer.
In soft canon the Nebula and Galaxy were designed together. Sister ships. The Nebula was originally an idea that went from just an emergency gatherer of the Galaxy Saucer Sections that needed help (it would go and save them since they couldn't warp). That idea evolved into a whole separate ship and I'm unsure if it's possible for a Nebula to even separate it's saucer.
So it was originally a "rescue the saucer section of that other ship" ship that turned into an actual new ship. It came out years before the Galaxy as the Galaxy was having development issues.
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Copied straight from Memory Alpha without citing the source, lol.
You guys are being blind to gameplay here out of love of canon or whatever.
It'd be the Galaxy X of science ships. Pretty to look at, but horrible to pilot. Let this thing stay as dstahl posted ... a cruiser. With that setup it's got a chance to be good.
As a DSSV it won't be worth the money you spend on it.
Boy is this one a doozy. Stealth detection as a paid ability. The slippery slope that Cryptic has in their offices must be smoother than Teflon.
On average people don't spend enough time at the lower levels to justify spending 15 bucks on a ship.
It's a better business decision to make it an end-game ship.
Tru dat. I was hoping for a T3 Nebula as well so I no longer have to pilot that gawd aweful golf ball epcot center hospital ship! *cringe*
Yup. I don't see why people are nitpicking this ship to death. I understand some of the complaints, but it's just another ship out of the many we have added recently. We'll get more science and escorts later (and hopefully more Klingon ships before anything else Fed side). :rolleyes:
T3 version would be nice, as long as they make it a sci-vessel. I hated flying that .... well I probably can't say what 'micro organism' produced by males it looks like, just slap on a pair of nacelles.
Exactly. People are being way too hasty here.
Putting science powers on a ship that turns like a galaxy?
That's ... impulsive. So many science powers require a 90 degree arc. The galaxy's weakness is ... it can't maintain a 90 degree arc.
What is/was is what's up for debate, not what might be. For all we know, the Nebula will be the 1st duel specialty ship, but thats not a set up thats been put forth. They want our reactions. While its nice to have so many new cruisers I'll never fly, I think it's time for the science people to get a ship, along with a Norway or Steamrunner for the escort flyers.
A possibility atm is that the Nebual could be a DSSV varient. i put my feedback behind that option. We all don't need new shinies, especially us cruiser captains who have the excelsior.
Also, the Klingons need new ships.
NO MORE CRUISERS TILL WE HAVE EQUAL(ish) VARIETY.
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And when was any of that mentioned exactly in the episode, having watched it not too long ago I'm sure I'd have remembered?
I know this was said about the ship:
Tom Paris: "I've never seen a Federation Starship that could maneuver through the plasma storms."
captain Janeway: "You've never seen Voyager."
Lieutenant Stadi: "That's our ship - that's Voyager: Intrepid class, sustainable cruise velocity of warp factor 9.975; fifteen decks; crew complement of 141; bio-neural circuitry."
you can clearly use 2 science officers on that and make it a sci cruiser if you want, or you can pack some decent tac on or make it an overhealed engie boff tank. its the kdf that doesnt have a single, not one, dedicated sci vessel, we have a tac carrier with built in target subs, oooo, useless.
That's soft canon though.
I still must say that we NEED a Lieutenant Commander Universal Slot. This ship is supposed to be Versatile (yes, by equipment but we'll ignore that). Having just one Lieutenant slot won't cut it.
Nerf whatever you need to so we can make it happen.
or at least pull an excelsior and put one in the shipyards for 137k or somethin
I'm wondering why they chose a TR of the galaxy. The Nebula isn't as big as a galaxy is it?
The shape of the Nebula doesn't exactly scream "Cruiser" isn't exactly common shape period, and the shapes of most Starfleet vessels, regardless of purpose, are fairly standard. In fact, the Advanced Escorts, Reconnaissance Science Vessels, Heavy Escorts, Research Science Vessels, Long Range Science Vessels, and vanilla Science Vessels are all much closer to the traditional "Cruiser shape," meaning a saucer separated from a body, with the nacelles jutting outward from the body on pylons. The Nebula, on the other hand, is all wrapped around itself.
Some of them do, a lot of them don't. And of course, some Engineering abilities have limited arcs as well.
So you believe that the three additional Cruisers released (GalX, GalR and ExR) weren't quite your cup of tea so there should be a fourth released? While there has been a total of one Science Vessel and one Escort... so you think Cruisers should have twice as many new ships as the other two classes combined because you they haven't quite gotten all the flavours is basically what you're saying, meanwhile everyone else has had... significantly less...
He didn't say NO money store, he said he wanted other methods AS WELL. The Excelsior can't be earned in game, it must be bought with real money. He, and most people, want to avoid a re-occurrence.
Of course, it's sounding in here like there will only be ONE Nebula. Supposedly the "compromise" for the Excelsior being in the C-Store at T5 was a free T3 version. If there's no T3 version... what will be the compromise on the Nebula to make it easier to swallow that we're being asked to pay for more content?
Actually I didn't since it doesn't include the full quote, but there you go.
You know... I absolutely -HATED- that ship. Up until I flew it. I was just so much of an improvement over the Nova that I immediately took to it and loved the ship.
Of course, this was before the Science nerf...
QFT. Dan is stating how much he wants to do things to help fill out the Klingon side, but I see little action on that. And with this thread I see little planning for that as well.
Throwing in the towel, I don't really feel like getting into that level of a nerd debate right now... so um, you win...
Why not make it a hybrid. That is, give it the Cruiser stats and skills, but give it a top end Console slot that's universal. Cruiser pilots could use Engineers, Science Captains could use Science Officers. Heck, that would even let Tactical Captains use Tactical Officers.
Thus:
Nebula
A StarCruiser variant (Its not a Retrofit. It utilizes the StarCruiser Skill).
Requires:
Rear Admiral
Weapons:
4 Fore
4 Aft
Boff seats (4 Boffs, 11 Powers):
1 Lt Tact
1 Cm Universal
1 Lt Science
1 Lt Engineer
Mods:
4 Eng
3 Sci
2 Tact
3 Device Slots
750 Crew
Unique Ability:
Tachyon Detection Grid: PBAoE buff that increases your, and allies w/in 10k, Starship Sensor Stat and Cloak Detection. Each buffed ally in turn will buff more allies within 10k of them - thus extending the grid.
Turn Rate = Galaxy
Any other stats not mentioned are the same as a Star Cruiser.
Yes it is a very nice ship once you get past the fact that you're piloting an ice cream scoop with warp nacelles.
The Olympic is only sexy because it resembles sexy time toys.
I also am in the school of thought that it should maybe be a science ship, but maybe make it like a blend of the two, lime make it more sluggish than a DSSV and more nimble than a cruiser give it a little more hull and little less shields than a science vessel. As for the BO slots I'm thinking something like this:
Boff seats:
1 Lt Science
1 Cm Science
1 LC Eng
1 Lt Universal
This keeps with it's mutirole support set up so you COULD use the 4th BO for tactical stuff OR you could put more science or engineer things in there.
BTW, you ensign seats, right? You didn't get the ranks mixed up did you?
Also, if you've done what I think you did based on the second screen shot, making a variant of it for each galaxy variant is, hands down, the most freaking awesome thing ever and I'm glad you guys took that initiative
guy what difference does that make, you can put aux modifiers in there, or shield (depending on your taste), the eng/cruiser is the universal of them all, it doesnt matter that its not a sci or an escort. canon classifies it as a cruiser, it is too big to be a sci ship. a sci ship with all the sci capabilites and 700-800 crew and all that hull, would be out of the question. this is why they made it a cruiser. im a tac officer and i dont wine whenever they offer a new cruiser, cause if i like it, i can fly it...
sci guys should buck up and try something different, think outside the box. ur all the same....
also, it should be more nimble, as it is sort of the same size as an akira class. and it is a "MORE" compact version of the galaxy. that would denote a lightly higher turn rate and maybe a little quicker.
i also think to make it more universal and to apease to the sci's and maybe tacs as well, you should make the console layout universal.
something like... 2sci, 2eng. and 2 tac with the option of adding two consoles wherever needed, giving alot of possabilites like 3/3/2 or4/2/2 you get the picture. i think that would be cool , and wouldnt be too op. remember adversity breads innovation, even if something comes out that at first has an advantage, people will soon find a way to break that advantage.
I'm glad you enjoy it. (private facepalm). I really hope you get a chance to purchase it from the C-Store and have fun! (private facepalm). More power to you.
Can I haz a BO setup on me BoP like this then:
Commander - Universal
Lt.Commander x2 - Universal
Lt. - Universal
Oh, and more hull and shields?
Thanks pleeze!
It's basically got the same saucer.
In soft canon the Nebula and Galaxy were designed together. Sister ships. The Nebula was originally an idea that went from just an emergency gatherer of the Galaxy Saucer Sections that needed help (it would go and save them since they couldn't warp). That idea evolved into a whole separate ship and I'm unsure if it's possible for a Nebula to even separate it's saucer.
So it was originally a "rescue the saucer section of that other ship" ship that turned into an actual new ship. It came out years before the Galaxy as the Galaxy was having development issues.
I think... I read up on it a long time ago.