It unethical, because they pulled people in with an offer (which was only recent), then gave away the items for free (to the value of the free Cryptic points).
Just like giving aware the TOS uniform, when they encouraged and knew people had bought additional boxes simply for them.
The clearly have the BBB rating for a reason.
C+ is a good rating. The BBB describes a C+ as a business you should trust and not anticipate any problems with. And it's up from F. And the BBB is a scam, like those Who's Who books.
I gave up with your idiotic posts yesterday. So not going into any debate, as they will just be warped.
Idiotic posts??? You're the one who couldn't understand basic english. You're also the one who kept going in a circular argument and now you made a reference to ethics about a post that had nothing to do with anything you were even talking about. I think you need to reevaluate yourself.
Wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong. All you who seem to be in denial need to wake up. People know what they were told and lead to believe. You and nobody else can change that fact.
Wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong. All you who seem to be in denial need to wake up. People know what they were told and lead to believe. You and nobody else can change that fact.
As for what they were told, we're back to how you have no evidence of it.
As for what they were lead to believe, the question is "who lead them to believe it?" Cryptic, or themselves?
I didn't say that, but if you want to brand yourself as such feel free.
You're doing nothing more than word play to wind people up.
Regardless of how you phrase it, please provide the requested information, and I will gladly retract my statements and apologize to those I've argued against.
It unethical, because they pulled people in with an offer (which was only recent), then gave away the items for free (to the value of the free Cryptic points).
Just like giving aware the TOS uniform, when they encouraged and knew people had bought additional boxes simply for them.
how did they pull you in with an offer? my guess you are talking about MU with the CO. I don't see how they could pull you in unless you bought the CO life time for the MU, and if that's the case, and you really have no one to blame but yourself. but that's not the point.
the point is how is it unethical?
lets change the example a little bit more.
so you bought a brand new car, and it came with a free chrome job. so you have your nice new car with chrome all over it, and you like chrome, that is why you bought the car. well later on the car dealership starts offering the chrome job to other customers for their cars, but at a lower price then what you paid for your car. ( in other words they can buy the chrome job without buying the car. ) and they have a give away that gives away 50 chrome jobs.
so explain to me how is that unethical?
( also that is in my opinion what happened with the CO life time. you bought a car, and got an extra with it )
how did they pull you in with an offer? my guess you are talking about MU with the CO. I don't see how they could pull you in unless you bought the CO life time for the MU, and if that's the case, and you really have no one to blame but yourself. but that's not the point.
the point is how is it unethical?
lets change the example a little bit more.
so you bought a brand new car, and it came with a free chrome job. so you have your nice new car with chrome all over it, and you like chrome, that is why you bought the car. well later on the car dealership starts offering the chrome job to other customers for their cars, but at a lower price then what you paid for your car. ( in other words they can buy the chrome job without buying the car. ) and they have a give away that gives away 50 chrome jobs.
so explain to me how is that unethical?
( also that is in my opinion what happened with the CO life time. you bought a car, and got an extra with it )
I still want him to explain what my post had to do with ethics in the first place.
Wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong. All you who seem to be in denial need to wake up. People know what they were told and lead to believe. You and nobody else can change that fact.
I'm not in denial. You are. You're the one at fault for not asking for clarification. You misinterpreted what was said/written. Period.
Seruiously do you just troll threads and try to make everything personal?
I simply backed someup, who I agree with.
Did you even read the post I wrote before you quoted it????? It didn't have anything to do with you or anyone else for that matter. Seriously you need to reread what you quoted.
how did they pull you in with an offer? my guess you are talking about MU with the CO. I don't see how they could pull you in unless you bought the CO life time for the MU, and if that's the case, and you really have no one to blame but yourself. but that's not the point.
the point is how is it unethical?
lets change the example a little bit more.
so you bought a brand new car, and it came with a free chrome job. so you have your nice new car with chrome all over it, and you like chrome, that is why you bought the car. well later on the car dealership starts offering the chrome job to other customers for their cars, but at a lower price then what you paid for your car. ( in other words they can buy the chrome job without buying the car. ) and they have a give away that gives away 50 chrome jobs.
so explain to me how is that unethical?
( also that is in my opinion what happened with the CO life time. you bought a car, and got an extra with it )
No actually I'm not. I'm referring to in general about the unethical method Cryptic have used. That being they encouraged multiple box purchases and lifetime offers only for them to be given (in essence) away for free, within a very short period of time.
No actually I'm not. I'm referring to in general about the unethical method Cryptic have used. That being they encouraged multiple box purchases and lifetime offers only for them to be given (in essence) away for free, within a very short period of time.
well you are talking about about the lifetime. so my example fits for that.
lets add on to that. the dealer talks you in to buying more then one car that came with chrome. ( now add what I had put in there earlier )
Actually do people not buy more expensive models of cars BECAUSE of the added perks in those cars (air fresheners notwithstanding)? I think you will find they do!
Seat warmers, aircon, electric mirrors etc... these are all additional perks people buy as part of a package for more expensive models!
No, they purchase cars. They may view social prestige as an enticement for that purchase, and no doubt some take the view that they are in fact purchasing prestige. But simply because they hold that point of view does not mean that they are correct.
Now, perhaps it is different where you live, but if I go to a car dealership, I am presented with two or more prices: the base price, that is to say, the standard model, and the package price, which includes additional equipment and/or service. I therefore know what I have paid for, and, more importantly, whether the warranty entitles me to compensation should one of those parts break.
In other words, regardless of my reasons for making the purchase, however, I have still purchased a car, and not prestige, or heated windows, or shiny rims.
It's also a matter of trusting the advertising propaganda.
I'm sorry but anyone who trusts advertising is just naive.
And just to ask... how the heck did you spend $1200 on STO??? I mean seriously how?
I spent about $332.50 total and that's with the special edition ($80), Lifetime Sub ($240) and 1000 cryptic points to buy up everyone else's preorder junk ($12.50)... Even twice that (you and hubby) is only what? $663
Did you buy multiple copies of the game or soemthing? If so, WHY!?!? That was just silly. $60 per copy for some cosmetic nonsense? Wow... You can't blame Cryptic or anyone else for that, that was YOUR fault. :mad:
Did you even read the post I wrote before you quoted it????? It didn't have anything to do with you or anyone else for that matter. Seriously you need to reread what you quoted.
You stated
"Sometimes I think we forget that it doesn't matter if you bought the pre orders or exclusives or even what sub you have. We all spent money to play the game."
Not all of us played additionally to play the game either. The additional boxes to a STO lifetime subscriber means nothing, but for the items. My reply was not everyone has had to spend money, as most were given free Cryptic points as compensation for downtime or taking replying to a poll.
Ah I see the fanbois have logged in mass drowning out legitimate complaints. Can I point out it is not for you to decide. The forum was a place people could voice their annoyance, concerns etc for the mods to read to pass back to customer service. Not for fanbois to shout down everyone who doesnt follow their line of thought.
This is a legitimate complaint people are making. Fine, you agree with cryptics decision... leave it at that.. let cryptic handle the rest of the concerns that players have about this latest customer service blunder.
And no it is not down to me to spoon feed you definitions. Go look it up on the web by typing "Definition Exclusive". I have nothing to prove to you. However if Cryptic ask (and cant be bothered to scroll back to ~page 54) then I will again oblige them.
So kindly desist from flaming and let us continue this dialogue with Cryptic.
"Sometimes I think we forget that it doesn't matter if you bought the pre orders or exclusives or even what sub you have. We all spent money to play the game."
Not all of us played to play the game either. The additional boxes to a STO lifetime subscriber mean nothing, but for the items. My reply was not everyone has had to spend money, as the most were given free Cryptic points as compensation for downtime or taking replying to a poll.
No actually I'm not. I'm referring to in general about the unethical method Cryptic have used. That being they encouraged multiple box purchases and lifetime offers only for them give in essence them away for free within a very short period of time.
Cryptic never "ENCOURAGED" this. Many retailers use special incentives to get you to buy the same thing from them. It's really catching on with Blu Rays now as each big box retailer seems to offer some kind of special packaging for the same movie. I'm not sure how much you purchase games but retailes (Game Stop and Amazon come to mind first) often offer different down-loadable incentives for the same game. That being said they NEVER stated these items would be exclusive forever. MMO's often offer up items like this after a period of time for the entire population. I agree they were probably offered up a bit soon, but it's obvious now by the number of kittens running around in MU uniforms that these items were in high demand. It's seriously not worth ruining your gaming experience over. If it is then there is another issue at work you need to look into because no "in game uniform or item" is worth that kind of stress. Most people knew not to go out and fork over 100's of $$$ for multiple copies of the game because this stuff would eventually find it's way on the c-store. I'm really sorry you are upset, I felt the same way once about the LS Borg Race, but I realized other people having this doesn't really affect my game play experience so it's not worth worrying about.
Cryptic never "ENCOURAGED" this. Many retailers use special incentives to get you to buy the same thing from them. It's really catching on with Blu Rays now as each big box retailer seems to offer some kind of special packaging for the same movie. I'm not sure how much you purchase games but retailes (Game Stop and Amazon come to mind first) often offer different down-loadable incentives for the same game. That being said they NEVER stated these items would be exclusive forever. MMO's often offer up items like this after a period of time for the entire population. I agree they were probably offered up a bit soon, but it's obvious now by the number of kittens running around in MU uniforms that these items were in high demand. It's seriously not worth ruining your gaming experience over. If it is then there is another issue at work you need to look into because no "in game uniform or item" is worth that kind of stress. Most people knew not to go out and fork over 100's of $$$ for multiple copies of the game because this stuff would eventually find it's way on the c-store. I'm really sorry you are upset, I felt the same way once about the LS Borg Race, but I realized other people having this doesn't really affect my game play experience so it's not worth worrying about.
Please, don't even try to portary they didn't. Its just insulting to those affected.
People have done so. We're still waiting to see where "exclusive" and "unique" means "forever and ever"....
Yes, you do. You're the one making the claims of being ripped off, lied to, deceived and the like. The onus is on you to prove that you have.
Drina doesn't need to prove it and especially to some complete stranger. Many agree that we were ripped off. Hence the vast number of threads that keep popping up.
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I gave up with your idiotic posts yesterday. So not going into any debate, as they will just be warped.
I know exactly what the BBB is, thank you.
C+ is a good rating. The BBB describes a C+ as a business you should trust and not anticipate any problems with. And it's up from F. And the BBB is a scam, like those Who's Who books.
You were not misled, nor were you ripped off.
Idiotic posts??? You're the one who couldn't understand basic english. You're also the one who kept going in a circular argument and now you made a reference to ethics about a post that had nothing to do with anything you were even talking about. I think you need to reevaluate yourself.
Wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong. All you who seem to be in denial need to wake up. People know what they were told and lead to believe. You and nobody else can change that fact.
I didn't say you didn't know what it was. I said you didn't understand it's role and purpose.
Once again, you refuse to face facts. Oh well.
Again, wrong. I do. Don't assume what you don't know.
As for what they were told, we're back to how you have no evidence of it.
As for what they were lead to believe, the question is "who lead them to believe it?" Cryptic, or themselves?
Regardless of how you phrase it, please provide the requested information, and I will gladly retract my statements and apologize to those I've argued against.
I didn't assume anything. You did. You are also taking out your frustration on the wrong guy. Go back and reread my original post this morning.
how did they pull you in with an offer? my guess you are talking about MU with the CO. I don't see how they could pull you in unless you bought the CO life time for the MU, and if that's the case, and you really have no one to blame but yourself. but that's not the point.
the point is how is it unethical?
lets change the example a little bit more.
so you bought a brand new car, and it came with a free chrome job. so you have your nice new car with chrome all over it, and you like chrome, that is why you bought the car. well later on the car dealership starts offering the chrome job to other customers for their cars, but at a lower price then what you paid for your car. ( in other words they can buy the chrome job without buying the car. ) and they have a give away that gives away 50 chrome jobs.
so explain to me how is that unethical?
( also that is in my opinion what happened with the CO life time. you bought a car, and got an extra with it )
Seruiously do you just troll threads and try to make everything personal?
I simply backed someup, who I agree with.
Catfight! Roooowr! Hisss!
I still want him to explain what my post had to do with ethics in the first place.
I'm not in denial. You are. You're the one at fault for not asking for clarification. You misinterpreted what was said/written. Period.
Did you even read the post I wrote before you quoted it????? It didn't have anything to do with you or anyone else for that matter. Seriously you need to reread what you quoted.
No actually I'm not. I'm referring to in general about the unethical method Cryptic have used. That being they encouraged multiple box purchases and lifetime offers only for them to be given (in essence) away for free, within a very short period of time.
Mine is better looking.
well you are talking about about the lifetime. so my example fits for that.
lets add on to that. the dealer talks you in to buying more then one car that came with chrome. ( now add what I had put in there earlier )
once again how is that unethical?
No, they purchase cars. They may view social prestige as an enticement for that purchase, and no doubt some take the view that they are in fact purchasing prestige. But simply because they hold that point of view does not mean that they are correct.
Now, perhaps it is different where you live, but if I go to a car dealership, I am presented with two or more prices: the base price, that is to say, the standard model, and the package price, which includes additional equipment and/or service. I therefore know what I have paid for, and, more importantly, whether the warranty entitles me to compensation should one of those parts break.
In other words, regardless of my reasons for making the purchase, however, I have still purchased a car, and not prestige, or heated windows, or shiny rims.
I'm sorry but anyone who trusts advertising is just naive.
And just to ask... how the heck did you spend $1200 on STO??? I mean seriously how?
I spent about $332.50 total and that's with the special edition ($80), Lifetime Sub ($240) and 1000 cryptic points to buy up everyone else's preorder junk ($12.50)... Even twice that (you and hubby) is only what? $663
Did you buy multiple copies of the game or soemthing? If so, WHY!?!? That was just silly. $60 per copy for some cosmetic nonsense? Wow... You can't blame Cryptic or anyone else for that, that was YOUR fault. :mad:
You stated
"Sometimes I think we forget that it doesn't matter if you bought the pre orders or exclusives or even what sub you have. We all spent money to play the game."
Not all of us played additionally to play the game either. The additional boxes to a STO lifetime subscriber means nothing, but for the items. My reply was not everyone has had to spend money, as most were given free Cryptic points as compensation for downtime or taking replying to a poll.
This is a legitimate complaint people are making. Fine, you agree with cryptics decision... leave it at that.. let cryptic handle the rest of the concerns that players have about this latest customer service blunder.
And no it is not down to me to spoon feed you definitions. Go look it up on the web by typing "Definition Exclusive". I have nothing to prove to you. However if Cryptic ask (and cant be bothered to scroll back to ~page 54) then I will again oblige them.
So kindly desist from flaming and let us continue this dialogue with Cryptic.
Still waiting for that information...
That's nice. Hope you've got a magine to read.
Cryptic never "ENCOURAGED" this. Many retailers use special incentives to get you to buy the same thing from them. It's really catching on with Blu Rays now as each big box retailer seems to offer some kind of special packaging for the same movie. I'm not sure how much you purchase games but retailes (Game Stop and Amazon come to mind first) often offer different down-loadable incentives for the same game. That being said they NEVER stated these items would be exclusive forever. MMO's often offer up items like this after a period of time for the entire population. I agree they were probably offered up a bit soon, but it's obvious now by the number of kittens running around in MU uniforms that these items were in high demand. It's seriously not worth ruining your gaming experience over. If it is then there is another issue at work you need to look into because no "in game uniform or item" is worth that kind of stress. Most people knew not to go out and fork over 100's of $$$ for multiple copies of the game because this stuff would eventually find it's way on the c-store. I'm really sorry you are upset, I felt the same way once about the LS Borg Race, but I realized other people having this doesn't really affect my game play experience so it's not worth worrying about.
Please, don't even try to portary they didn't. Its just insulting to those affected.
People have done so. We're still waiting to see where "exclusive" and "unique" means "forever and ever"....
Yes, you do. You're the one making the claims of being ripped off, lied to, deceived and the like. The onus is on you to prove that you have.
Drina doesn't need to prove it and especially to some complete stranger. Many agree that we were ripped off. Hence the vast number of threads that keep popping up.