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absolutely the worst T6 ship?
annemarie30
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it's always asked what ship is "the best" but I am looking for the worst one. I want to be able to say Challenge accepted andf see if i can make a decent build. Yes, I'm really that bored
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The console is nice though.
The turn rate is subjective based on player stats. Mine can probably turn pretty decently with a combination of Pilot Spec, couple RCS Neutroniums, and native Endeaver perk points.
Second point is kinda... not a point seeing as how its being crewed by whichever faction your character is a part of.
As for my opinion on the worst... even with the turn rate buffs the standard T6 D'Deridex is a brick and you FEEL it. The legendary at least has one point higher in turn rate, which puts it on par with the T6 Galaxy, which in turn is actually doable with turn rate buffs. But the standard T6 D'Deridex to me is just a slow brick no matter what you do.
I really can't think of any others that, at least to me, felt painful to fly off the top of my head. And I admit I've been spoiled by Pilot ships when it comes to cannon equipped escorts. The Terran Adamant felt clunky to me after flying the Legendary Defiant.
https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Jupiter_Carrier
and
https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Vorgon_Ytijara_Dreadnought_Cruiser
Both can be made to work, but it takes a fair bit more time and effort.
But one thing I always found annoying:
Having to unlock any slow-turning cruiser's trait when you're specced for flying a fast escort or a sci ship.
Especially the Presidio - before the release of the Boimler trait, I considered All hands on deck a must-have trait for most toons. But most of those toons are SCIs and TACs, so they either didn't need a high turn rate, or they were flying ships that automatically had much more of that.
The ship itself isn't too bad though, I decided it to make it my main ship on one of my ENG toons. But dedicating a toon to a specific ship and thus taking the time to make it work, is of course much different from having to make it work for a few missions and while switching from a much easier-to-fly ship.
My opinion on the worst ship is likely to change from one day to the next, but I find having Intel commander seating on an Escort such a waste of time. By the time you activate the Gather Intel ability, you've probably already blown up your current target. So, to me, this makes the likes of the Phantom, Adamant, etc. the worst!
However, just ignore the Intel ability and they work quite well.
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I counter with beam arrays and support for FAW/Suppression Barrage combo on top of its two hangers. Yea it turns slow but its not meant to.
*shrug*
If you were to ask for worst build types, I could probably give you multiple 'fun' examples, but it's really hard to pin down a ship/platform because there are so many ways to use them. For example, a Herald Quas isn't a great weapon platform, but it is a fantastic support platform to enhance and protect other people with. Even something like a Ytijara has some really interesting buildcraft with a minelayer or collector/tow-ship setup.
The Andromeda and Jupiter are probably some of the most cumbersome and restrictive ships to try to work with. Parliament might be a close third because of its awkward console layout(the bridge layout is quite serviceable though).
That is an interesting take. The Adament is probably the best DEW raider in the game.
Forget the mechanic. You can run Surgical 3 on it. Has the raider bonus 10% ambush and raider turn/inertial, battle cloak. With full escort hull stats. For sure no where close to a worst list... its top 3 escort/raider I would say there isn't a better escort in the game, best you can get in the zen store for sure.
That about sums it up... basically all the early T6s that have one Lt. specialty seat. Things like the Guardian, the Mat'Ha and others. They aren't all bad ships they are just not what we think of as T6 anymore.
Well an APU Cruiser with a full turret build is fun, but that observation is also beside the point because we're trying to qualify the T6 Ships.
Every Tier 1-6 ship can be made to work in end game content, but some take considerable more effort than others.
Right now we're trying to determine which Tier 6 takes the most effort.
Well as per Cryptic T5X=T6.
But as others have said if you want the worst of the worst. You probably can look at the early Romulan non warbirds (cruisers and sci). The -40 power makes them pretty terrible... you can justify that on the warbirds with Enhanced cloaks and extra hard points (such as the Malem which is 4/3 rather then 4/2 on a bop) DDx is the obvious choice... but right up there is the Laeosa Research Warbird. Its a sci ship with only one Lt CMD temp spec seat, 11 turn rate with 45 inertia and a sing core. Its Slow can't turn is almost impossible to do anything but kinetic on (which for sci isn't the end of the world) you just can't power weapons and aux and run your engines at enough to make that thing move at all. Easily the worst Sci ship in the game anyway. (also the only rom sci ship) You can make it work... but the build options on it are non existent, and essentially any other sci ship is better.
And they're still perfectly fine ships, just not top of the heap. I have fond memories of my "hammer of the gods" Mat'Ha cannon build with the Heavy Disruptor Spinal Cannon going WHAM! WHAM! WHAM! WHAM! and smashing ships to pieces
Fair. That sums up all the ship mechanic stuffs though. They are all basically garbage.
Its too bad Cryptic didn't add more vulnerability imparting clicks. The Fheats plasma lance imparts 10s of intel vulnerability. If we had more things like that Intels mechanic would be a bit more usable.
FED: Phantom, Eclipse, Scryer, Guardian, and.. Dauntless?
KDF: Qib, Mat'ha
ROM: Faeht, Aelahl
Aside from the 4/3 weapon layout of the Intel Escorts, a lot of these ships are still quite respectable. Many of them have very nice consoles that would see a lot of use even today if they weren't restricted to their respective ships. (Removing their restrictions have been on my wishlist since early 2021.) The Lances/Spinal Cannons are obvious, but even things like the Qib and Aelahl console are surprisingly useful.
And yes, the Qib console does look useful - https://stowiki.net/wiki/Console_-_Universal_-_Weapon_Systems_Siphon
Its got not bad turn and inertia for a battle cruiser... a battle cloak.
It got buffed with Intel... as it has a commander Engi/Intel meaning you can use surgical 3 on it.
It got buffed with advance consoles as it can slot 5 engi consoles.
One nice thing about the advance consoles... a bunch of very old ships got a bit of extra life. That 3 tac console 4/4 QIB was always sort of meh.... but with 6 advance consoles it can be top tier.
Limited on tactical options and quite honestly, the Terran Trailblazer has been a permanent replacement which does a better job and has more options to mess around with.
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I believe the idea was that she was more of a minelayer.
And it performs pretty good as a mine layer especially since it is an event ship.
That said, a mine layer is not the easiest build to master.