Why is the Intrepid not an Intrepid class? Or is this another area where Picard is not following established canon?
Why assume that the USS Intrepid is the first in this class? It would seem apparent that the USS Duderstadt is the first of its class. 🤷♀️
Because you have a show like Discovery which had the Crossfield-class, but only two ships produced. Neither of them named Crossfield.
I don't believe it was ever stated that only 2 Crossfield-class were produced, just that they were the only 2 with the experimental spore drive. The name Crossfield-class, though, implies the existence of a USS Crossfield.
My personal Headcanon is that the Crossfield was prototype made to test the secondary systems and thus never had the sporedrive installed and was put on reserve once the Discovery and the Glenn were completed, kind of like the IRL space shuttle Enterprise
Ok, @valoreah , I think I understand what you're saying? You're asking what happened to the USS Intrepid of the Intrepid-class? Is that right? If so, I guess we could infer one of two possibilities: 1) The USS Intrepid of the Intrepid-class was either destroyed, lost, or decommissioned. 2) Starfleet has two active ships of the same name but different classes.🤷🏼♀️
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Ok, @valoreah , I think I understand what you're saying? You're asking what happened to the USS Intrepid of the Intrepid-class? Is that right? If so, I guess we could infer one of two possibilities: 1) The USS Intrepid of the Intrepid-class was either destroyed, lost, or decommissioned. 2) Starfleet has two active ships of the same name but different classes.🤷🏼♀️
Exactly! Thank you. Apologies if my initial question was not clear.
Glad we got that cleared up. 😄
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We don't know the fate of the Intrepid-class USS Intrepid. Then again, we don't know the fates of 99.8% of all Starfleet ships. The fact that the name's been used for a Duderstadt-class tells us that the other one likely isn't still flying, but whether she was decommissioned, lost and presumed destroyed, or blown up at Wolf 359 or the defense of Earth in the Breen attack is unknown.
Finally, STO is its own universe. The setting is prime but in the shows there are not a million ships named USS Trump, nor will you see Cyclops from the Xmen and Yoda walking past as I just did. Also the Inquisitor looks different to every player. STO came along when it seemed unlikely that we would get more TV Trek. It's pre-Discovery setting is amazing. As well as that, they've managed to keep up to date with current canon remarkably well. If they make fundamental changes then they will always be playing catch up to future series and I don't want that. Cryptic runs storylines with CBS approval, therefore I'm happy to just accept STO as a close, yet alternate timeline. They can incorporate new content however they decide to, or not as the case may be. Temporal science is complicated after all, just run with it.
1. Why would anyone name a ship after that clown?
2. X-Men, Star Wars and other Non-Star Trek characters can be easily ignored, could also easily chalk it up in universe as people who were on the Holodeck.
3. Makes sense for the Inquisitor, could be a entire organisation of them and most people tend to play STO like a single player game anyways, so it's not really a big deal.
That's it, the rest seems reasonable, there's no need, to point out the flaws in your argument.
Finally, STO is its own universe. The setting is prime but in the shows there are not a million ships named USS Trump, nor will you see Cyclops from the Xmen and Yoda walking past as I just did. Also the Inquisitor looks different to every player. STO came along when it seemed unlikely that we would get more TV Trek. It's pre-Discovery setting is amazing. As well as that, they've managed to keep up to date with current canon remarkably well. If they make fundamental changes then they will always be playing catch up to future series and I don't want that. Cryptic runs storylines with CBS approval, therefore I'm happy to just accept STO as a close, yet alternate timeline. They can incorporate new content however they decide to, or not as the case may be. Temporal science is complicated after all, just run with it.
1. Why would anyone name a ship after that clown?
2. X-Men, Star Wars and other Non-Star Trek characters can be easily ignored, could also easily chalk it up in universe as people who were on the Holodeck.
3. Makes sense for the Inquisitor, could be a entire organisation of them and most people tend to play STO like a single player game anyways, so it's not really a big deal.
That's it, the rest seems reasonable, there's no need, to point out the flaws in your argument.
I got one named that.
Crossover comics have happened.
Seen Inquisitor as a someone who does the nasty stuff, so the emperor wont get his lily white hands dirty.
We don't know the fate of the Intrepid-class USS Intrepid. Then again, we don't know the fates of 99.8% of all Starfleet ships. The fact that the name's been used for a Duderstadt-class tells us that the other one likely isn't still flying, but whether she was decommissioned, lost and presumed destroyed, or blown up at Wolf 359 or the defense of Earth in the Breen attack is unknown.
If I had to guess the Intrepid was most likely destroyed or decommissioned in the years between Nemesis (There's a USS Intrepid (NCC-74600) in the fleet heading to meet the Enterprise-E, while we don't know for certain if this is the namesake for the Intrepid class it seems likely as the Registry is close to NCC-74656 of USS Voyager) and Picard season 3 that's a 22 year gap between the 2 ships called USS Intrepid and as the Picard one has the higher registry number we can assume it's probably the newer one of the 2 thus making the mystery not really a mystery but rather a case of the Duderstadt-class ship being named in honor of the previous ship (or they simply recycled an unused name) but the Intrepid didn't do anything to notable that it would serve a letter in the registry and a simple name reuse as sufficient.
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We don't know the fate of the Intrepid-class USS Intrepid. Then again, we don't know the fates of 99.8% of all Starfleet ships. The fact that the name's been used for a Duderstadt-class tells us that the other one likely isn't still flying, but whether she was decommissioned, lost and presumed destroyed, or blown up at Wolf 359 or the defense of Earth in the Breen attack is unknown.
If I had to guess the Intrepid was most likely destroyed or decommissioned in the years between Nemesis (There's a USS Intrepid (NCC-74600) in the fleet heading to meet the Enterprise-E, while we don't know for certain if this is the namesake for the Intrepid class it seems likely as the Registry is close to NCC-74656 of USS Voyager) and Picard season 3 that's a 22 year gap between the 2 ships called USS Intrepid and as the Picard one has the higher registry number we can assume it's probably the newer one of the 2 thus making the mystery not really a mystery but rather a case of the Duderstadt-class ship being named in honor of the previous ship (or they simply recycled an unused name) but the Intrepid didn't do anything to notable that it would serve a letter in the registry and a simple name reuse as sufficient.
THAT'S WHAT I HAD BEEN TRYING TO SAY ONLY TO GET BRUSHED OFF AS BEING CONFUSED MYSELF!!! *dies*
Odds are by the early 25th Century the Intrepid class USS Intrepid was probably decomissioned or destroyed and a new USS Intrepid commissioned as a member of this new class. Not unheard of in Star Trek for a ship name to be attached to different classes. Just look at Enterprise. And considering that the Intrepid was the pathfinder ship of the Intrepid class, mostly likely in the late 2360s/early 2370s... and considering the time period in which Picard s3 takes place in... we are talking upwards of 20-30 years since the Intrepid Class was first commissioned. And we have no idea what the actual lifespan of that class is. Voyager is not exactly a good measuring stick because she was HEAVILY modified during her seven years in the Delta Quadrant... ALONE.
There's also the fact we really didn't see many Intrepids during the Dominion War. The only one we really heard about was the Bellaraphon, which I believe was used by Admiral Ross a couple times. For all we know the Intrepid class USS Intrepid was lost in 2385 when Utopia Plantiia, and Mars, got wrecked. All we know of the Intrepid is that she was part of the battlegroup that WOULD have helped USS Enterprise-E against the Scimitar in 2379... if the Scimitar didn't intercept her long before Enterprise met up with them past the Bassen Rift. That still leaves quite a few years between Nemesis and Picard for a new Intrepid to be built.
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Yeah I noticed that comment Rattler that's why I was so confused as to what in the name of all that's holy Valoreah was talking about, I mean to me "the earlier ship of that name was destroyed or decommissioned" would my first reaction when seeing a ship with reused name not "the people in charge don't care about what ships were called in previous series".
Not really my fault if you lack reading comprehension and/or are incapable of asking follow up questions for clarification. You all seemed to make assumptions and jump to incorrect conclusions that had absolutely nothing to do with what I was saying. That is on you, not me and I cannot help your confusion.
To be fair, val, your initial query was not entirely clear. And considering many of us assumed you were saying one thing, and not what you meant, you cannot place all of the blame on us for not getting it from the jump. I'm a linguist and a intelligence/language analyst and I still misunderstood your initial intent.But hey, it's all cleared up now, so let's everyone move along. 😉
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You know, I've never heard of the same class name being used for two different ship designs - is that something that actually happens in real life or has happened intentionally in other fictional media (i. e. not as the result of someone making up a class name without checking to see if one already existed)?
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We already have a case for that in Star Trek Canon. There was an Intrepid class that existed in the 22nd Century, and then the one we are more familiar with in the 24th.
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Isn't the Pathfinder class suppose to be the "intrepid refit" class sure it's not called "intrepid refit" or "Intrepid II" but the idea is the same.
and honestly reusing class names might be something that's done once there's enough separation that there's no rational way you could mix up the two. there's 200 year between the ENT and TNG era Intrepids, around 600 between Voyager and Voyager-J
Just because the Intrepid wasn't an Intrepid-class doesn't mean there isn't any active Intrepid-class ships in active service (and not just in the Fleet Museum). Also there is no rule that you can't name a ship after namesake of an active class, in fact USS Enterprise (CV-6) was decommissioned in 1947 and she was an Yorktown-class carrier, while the Essex-class carrier USS Yorktown (CV-10) was commissioned in 1943.
As for why the USS Intrepid (NCC-79520) is a Duderstadt-class and not Pathfinder-class who knows maybe they needed a name for a new ship and "Intrepid" was free in the shipname list.
Why should anyone care what other people decide to name their ships? I am certain others can find issue with any names you gave to your ships. Best to let others decide what names they want and let them be and leave the personal politics at the door.
I personally don't care what people name their ships, I was just simply replying to someone who brought it up, two I couldn't give 2 Fs about American Politics, besides personally politics is an illusion of free choice, when it comes to voting you're screwed if you do and you're screwed if you don't, it's best to ignore it all together.
Anyways back to the topic at hand, before someone makes another untrue assumption of me, I still think Picard Worf is the biggest Issue with STO, I doubt he'll switch side within such a small amount of time, Season 3 takes place in the year 2401, 8 years wouldn't be enough time to broker peace among the Klingons especially since tensions with them and the Federation started raising in 2385, going by the math Klingons and Starfleet haven't been getting along for 16 years, I really doubt they'll allow someone like him on Qo'noS, might even have to replace his model on Qo'noS with someone else.
Just because the Intrepid wasn't an Intrepid-class doesn't mean there isn't any active Intrepid-class ships in active service (and not just in the Fleet Museum). Also there is no rule that you can't name a ship after namesake of an active class, in fact USS Enterprise (CV-6) was decommissioned in 1947 and she was an Yorktown-class carrier, while the Essex-class carrier USS Yorktown (CV-10) was commissioned in 1943.
The USS Essex, namesake of the Essex Class, was commissioned in 1942.
I know I was referring to the USS Yorktown (CV-10) which was commissioned while there was still at least 1 Yorktown-class carrier (the Enterprise) still in active service.
I've read around you had no plans to include it in STO. Find a way. Make it part of future featured episodes. Pester Gearbox for some more money. Star Trek's popular re-birth is leverage. CBS honors STO by canonizing numerous ships, time to return the favor by immortalizing Sol Station/Probert Station in-game.
Why?
Because this station is now a magnificent, valiant hero as much as any hero ship/station in the Star Trek Universe.
Thnx cryptic, for this online Star Trek world I still fondly play in after 13 years!
The station under attack was Earth Spacedock. It's already in the game.
^^ This.
Besides, at the end, ESD succummed, so they were not truly the 'hero.'
Still one of the most epic last stands in Starfleet history. Speaking of the Frontier Day attack, how are Cryptic going to deal with the Borg sized elephant in the room given how Picard ended?
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The station under attack was Earth Spacedock. It's already in the game.
^^ This.
Besides, at the end, ESD succummed, so they were not truly the 'hero.'
Still one of the most epic last stands in Starfleet history. Speaking of the Frontier Day attack, how are Cryptic going to deal with the Borg sized elephant in the room given how Picard ended?
They already say in the Fed tutorial that the Borg were weird, not the traditional ones. Later on, there is the cooperative and probably other splinter groups, plus second season PIC introduced a whole new and very different Borg network that provisionally joined the Federation (and which would explain all the player character Borg running around rather handily). Plus iirc there is a brand-new Borg collective running around in STO led by a Borg Iconian queen.
One collective/cooperative/network/whatever, more or fewer, would not make a big difference in the game with all the others (which is an advantage of the inclusive style STO uses).
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My personal Headcanon is that the Crossfield was prototype made to test the secondary systems and thus never had the sporedrive installed and was put on reserve once the Discovery and the Glenn were completed, kind of like the IRL space shuttle Enterprise
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Glad we got that cleared up. 😄
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1. Why would anyone name a ship after that clown?
2. X-Men, Star Wars and other Non-Star Trek characters can be easily ignored, could also easily chalk it up in universe as people who were on the Holodeck.
3. Makes sense for the Inquisitor, could be a entire organisation of them and most people tend to play STO like a single player game anyways, so it's not really a big deal.
That's it, the rest seems reasonable, there's no need, to point out the flaws in your argument.
I got one named that.
Crossover comics have happened.
Seen Inquisitor as a someone who does the nasty stuff, so the emperor wont get his lily white hands dirty.
If I had to guess the Intrepid was most likely destroyed or decommissioned in the years between Nemesis (There's a USS Intrepid (NCC-74600) in the fleet heading to meet the Enterprise-E, while we don't know for certain if this is the namesake for the Intrepid class it seems likely as the Registry is close to NCC-74656 of USS Voyager) and Picard season 3 that's a 22 year gap between the 2 ships called USS Intrepid and as the Picard one has the higher registry number we can assume it's probably the newer one of the 2 thus making the mystery not really a mystery but rather a case of the Duderstadt-class ship being named in honor of the previous ship (or they simply recycled an unused name) but the Intrepid didn't do anything to notable that it would serve a letter in the registry and a simple name reuse as sufficient.
THAT'S WHAT I HAD BEEN TRYING TO SAY ONLY TO GET BRUSHED OFF AS BEING CONFUSED MYSELF!!! *dies*
I said it right there! In bold! *collapses*
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To be fair, val, your initial query was not entirely clear. And considering many of us assumed you were saying one thing, and not what you meant, you cannot place all of the blame on us for not getting it from the jump. I'm a linguist and a intelligence/language analyst and I still misunderstood your initial intent. But hey, it's all cleared up now, so let's everyone move along. 😉
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and honestly reusing class names might be something that's done once there's enough separation that there's no rational way you could mix up the two. there's 200 year between the ENT and TNG era Intrepids, around 600 between Voyager and Voyager-J
As for why the USS Intrepid (NCC-79520) is a Duderstadt-class and not Pathfinder-class who knows maybe they needed a name for a new ship and "Intrepid" was free in the shipname list.
I personally don't care what people name their ships, I was just simply replying to someone who brought it up, two I couldn't give 2 Fs about American Politics, besides personally politics is an illusion of free choice, when it comes to voting you're screwed if you do and you're screwed if you don't, it's best to ignore it all together.
I know I was referring to the USS Yorktown (CV-10) which was commissioned while there was still at least 1 Yorktown-class carrier (the Enterprise) still in active service.
Why?
Because this station is now a magnificent, valiant hero as much as any hero ship/station in the Star Trek Universe.
Thnx cryptic, for this online Star Trek world I still fondly play in after 13 years!
^^ This.
Besides, at the end, ESD succummed, so they were not truly the 'hero.'
Still one of the most epic last stands in Starfleet history. Speaking of the Frontier Day attack, how are Cryptic going to deal with the Borg sized elephant in the room given how Picard ended?
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
They already say in the Fed tutorial that the Borg were weird, not the traditional ones. Later on, there is the cooperative and probably other splinter groups, plus second season PIC introduced a whole new and very different Borg network that provisionally joined the Federation (and which would explain all the player character Borg running around rather handily). Plus iirc there is a brand-new Borg collective running around in STO led by a Borg Iconian queen.