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What happened to the Dilithium Exchange? Plans to fix it?
diamodnflux
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I took a 2-year hiatus from STO, and recently wanted to jump back in.
However, I am seriously considering not bothering. While I have disposable income, I don't want to throw hundreds or thousands into this; I wanted to spend the time to refine Dilithium then buy Zen - so I went to trade on the exchange as normal.
There's absolutely no chance, there's nearly 2bil Dilithium worth of Zen purchase orders already, at the max of 500 alone, I imagine there's hundreds of billions of dilithium waiting! I tried googling what was the plan to fix it, and it's bunches of old information and no update I can see from Arc.
Anyone know their plans to fix it?
However, I am seriously considering not bothering. While I have disposable income, I don't want to throw hundreds or thousands into this; I wanted to spend the time to refine Dilithium then buy Zen - so I went to trade on the exchange as normal.
There's absolutely no chance, there's nearly 2bil Dilithium worth of Zen purchase orders already, at the max of 500 alone, I imagine there's hundreds of billions of dilithium waiting! I tried googling what was the plan to fix it, and it's bunches of old information and no update I can see from Arc.
Anyone know their plans to fix it?
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Well related to that, there's been a change to reps. You no longer get ore at T5, you get vouchers instead which can only be spent on rep projects (NOT the store stuff).
That's one thing they're trying. Some like it, some do not. If you do stick around, bear that in mind for new toons.
We know and they know it won't fix anything, but that's what they're going with.
In short it is way too easy to get large amounts of dilithium, every month has a new event that just lets us gain a day's worth (or potentially far more) on a daily basis once you complete the main event, not to mention the marks you gain that could also get converted to dilithium. On top of that, there are limited places to spend your dilithium that are as useful as getting Zen.
I have been thinking about this and may type up a proposal and post it in the forums, but one of the many things I would suggest is to move some of the items from the "Slot and Services" tab in the Zen store to the dilithium store, mainly to force paying players to participate in the exchange if they want these services, and to give useful services to F2P players that they can spend their dilithium instead of jumping on the exchange.
True, they could get the money from zen to dil trades but that would be slower plus the dolphins wouldn't buy as much from the zen store.
Equivalent dil prices would get laughed out of the forums. 500000 dil for an elite services pack as an example, that's two months worth of dil right there.
Quick and easy is the Cryptic way after all.
The reasons are discussed in several very long threads you can search for.
The T5 change has annoyed a lot of players... so based on that alone its probably going to have an impact on the back log. lol
Its not that bad though... ya its not instant gratification anymore. But my last order went through in 10 days almost to the hour. So it is moving... its not completely borked like Neverwinter. Just place your orders early... I like to place my orders on a Friday. That way by 8 or 9 days the order has seen a couple weekends already. Placing an order on a Monday or something and you'll probably wait 2 full weeks.
But suffice to say it is probably gone for good only because we don't know the full truth behind the swift change in the economy that left it "broken" blamed on too much dil, so lets ruin the increase in levels for reputation as what you get at tier 5 will just to buy rep gear only. Sorry they don't want you to try to use for zen as they want your cash not your dil, so much for using in game currency for cash store.
You can still convert to zen... backlog sucks but it has been stable at 8-14ish days now since late last year. It swings back and forth as Crytpic does sales.
You can still earn Dill STO has so many easy sources of Dill. You just can't roll and kill toons over and over. If your actually playing a toon to T5 you have more unrefined dill by T5 then you really need anyway.
In regards to sits... Absence of Evidence is NOT Evidence of Absence. Just because we forumites don't know Dev plans does NOT mean there are no plans at all.
Last Livestream Kael and two Devs did reveal they have a sink in the works. They will most likely reveal details closer to release.
Not only that, as this is a complex problem, there are no simple, single shot, magic bullet solutions. Its going to take time and a lot of things working together.
I wholeheartedly agree with what you said, Rattler.
I'll take one step further & say that I feel the reason why they chose to reveal that they have something in the works, but chose not to reveal what it is yet is because of something I've tended to notice what happens when they reveal stuff. In the past, Whenever they DID reveal something, whether it is a ship or something else that is bound to get people interested, the exchange always showed a spike up in price because of people wanting to cash in their dilithium they've been farming, which usually drove the price up because the zen sellers always knew people would WANT to have the chance for what ever it was that the devs released.
I think with the dilithium exchange as fragile as it is now, they want to hold back on definitely saying anything that might impact what they've recently done. There's also the fact that since it's not done yet, they likely cannot talk about what it is they have planned anyway. They don't usually talk about stuff until they're ready to release it
The only real fix is to do both.
That only works if the they haven't already hit a saturation in terms of numbers of players willing to wallet.
They have data we don't... if the number of walleting for purple rock players is unchanged... Then chocking the supply is about the only option really.
Sir, the way you say all they pump out ships make it seem like that we have a new one coming out every week. In actuality, we've had far less than what you think since the start of this year.
- January 25th 2022: Jarok Alliance Carrier as an event ship & the Emerald Chain Intel Juggernaught Lockbox ship
- February 17th 2022: Terran Lexington Dreadnought Cruiser, Terran Cygnus Battlecruiser, Terran Adamant Heavy Raider, & Terran Trailblazer Science Warship came out for purchase in the C-store.
- March 17th, 2022: Section 31 Intel Dreadnought Cruiser came out as a promo box.
So far that's 7 ships so far total for this year. We know the Merian-class is being released on Tuesday alongside the First Contact Day event. Still, that's 8 ships out of who knows how many more we're going to get. I think leading up to the spring update last year, we had a total of 11 ships.
We're going to be getting information about the spring update for STO at Star Trek Chicago this year. Beyond that I don't know what more to say.
Well we can disagree... it doesn't matter really.
Developers often employee a bit of Psychology when developing systems. I'm not sure Cryptic has anyone that good.... but here is the thing.
Player psychologys can be grouped into types. There are gamers that will wallet to buy ships but never to speed a time sink. There are players that will wallet time sinks with out batting an eye. Then there are gamers that won't spend anything often cause they can't and forcing them to just means they leave.
Despite the shot I just took at them... I actually think Cryptic is smart enough to understand that. Just because you have people buying Zen... doesn't mean they will ever trade it for a currency in game they can earn with sweet. Assuming that the number of players you have grouped into the "will spend money but not for grind currency" will all of a sudden start buying grind currency is not a sound assessment.
Again you and I don't know cause we don't work for Cryptic. However I would have to believe they are keeping metrics on exactly which players buy Zen... what they do with it, what they do in game.
In every online game the largest group of spending players will spend on things they can't get any other way then to spend.... however in general don't start paying for grind skips.
Cryptic can create all the demand they want... but if say only 10% of the player population have ever sold Zen for Dill... that will not change much. So unless the player base grows... there is without a doubt a hard ceiling on the amount of Zen that will enter the exchange. I suspect if we worked at Cryptic and looked at the numbers.... over a few years you would find the amount of Zen being traded to other players is very little changed. I mean supply spikes up when there are big sales coming... cause the amount of people BUYING purple rocks never really changes. (not counting things like time limited vanity shield sales... those don't really count IMO they are a one off thing, and most of the Zen going back into that system was probably Zen that had already changed hands once before. lol)
This may be an unpopular statement but those T6 discounts didn't help much, though they two birds, one stoned that I suppose.
Ol' Borti shall have to be careful or he'll find there's no more fish in the sea to harpoon. I'm fairly sure quite a few people in my fleets have bolted already, never seen so many open fleet mark slots open for so many days.