Before this we only had one on screen Captain, with Jason Issacs reprising the role of Captain Lorca. Spock is a bit of a gray area because we don't see him as Captain Spock in his WoK uniform, but as Commander Spock in the TOS uniform. Scotty technically counts but he was never the Captain of a starship. He just held the rank of Captain. (Reason he technically counts is he wore his engie vest even as a Captain).
But now... we got one of the Big 5 Captains. Many believed that they were out of STO's budget.
Kirk - Previous falling out with some Cryptic Devs. No interest.
Picard - Certainly out of budget unless a deal can be made.
Sisko - No interest as far as ANYONE knows.
Janeway - Now in STO
Archer - no real way to bring in at this time.
They had the lead actress from TRIBBLE - Sonequa Martin-Green - who BTW is also now a Captain on her show, but yeah, the 'gatekeepers' here on the STO BBS seem loathe to acknowledge she was the first 'Star Trek series lead' that Cryptic managed to get.
And it is a good thing, and nice addition to the game even though for me (watching Star Trek first run since 1969 on NBC and STAR TREK (TOS) will always be my #1 series) - VOY was and still is the WORST written Star Trek series (I gave up watching it after "The 37's" aired, as I couldn't take it any longer...) - to each their own (or IDIC.)
Honestly Burnham is in same gray area as Spock is as when she was added to the game she was still "Commander Burnham"
Something I find funny is how Admiral Leeta and Marshall Janeway are allowed as "consultants" and to carry their uniform and weapons (daggers and, in Leeta's case, supposedly still having Pah Wraith powers and in Janeway's case, the freaking abilities to make Borg Drones and summon an adaptive shield), despite the former being as unhelpful and disrespectful as possible and the latter making it clear she's just teaming up with us for revenge.
But Neth Parr defecting, providing intel, directly assisting in storming the flagship of the Tzenkethi to capture the Admiral, ordering remaining forces to assist the Alliance against the Hur'q, renouncing her rank, willingly cooperating without asking anything in return? Na, throw the mini rhino-kaiju into the brig and strip her of her uniform until the PC shows up! XD
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Something I find funny is how Admiral Leeta and Marshall Janeway are allowed as "consultants" and to carry their uniform and weapons (daggers and, in Leeta's case, supposedly still having Pah Wraith powers and in Janeway's case, the freaking abilities to make Borg Drones and summon an adaptive shield), despite the former being as unhelpful and disrespectful as possible and the latter making it clear she's just teaming up with us for revenge.
But Neth Parr defecting, providing intel, directly assisting in storming the flagship of the Tzenkethi to capture the Admiral, ordering remaining forces to assist the Alliance against the Hur'q, renouncing her rank, willingly cooperating without asking anything in return? Na, throw the mini rhino-kaiju into the brig and strip her of her uniform until the PC shows up! XD
Actually, what's worse is the fact that (if you go by what happens in the mission) AFTER wantonly killing and BORGIFYING memebers of Starfleet (who were all killed in the end by our Mirror Counterpart) - Starfleet's STILL working with her (IE Mirror/partially Borgified Janeway), and giving her Starfleet classified intel. (IE - The background on the Illia entity.)
I guess Prime Janeway MUST be the current head of Section 31 to be able to do/allow all this so casually. That, or yeah the "Insaneway" moniker REALLY fits the character.
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Something I find funny is how Admiral Leeta and Marshall Janeway are allowed as "consultants" and to carry their uniform and weapons (daggers and, in Leeta's case, supposedly still having Pah Wraith powers and in Janeway's case, the freaking abilities to make Borg Drones and summon an adaptive shield), despite the former being as unhelpful and disrespectful as possible and the latter making it clear she's just teaming up with us for revenge.
But Neth Parr defecting, providing intel, directly assisting in storming the flagship of the Tzenkethi to capture the Admiral, ordering remaining forces to assist the Alliance against the Hur'q, renouncing her rank, willingly cooperating without asking anything in return? Na, throw the mini rhino-kaiju into the brig and strip her of her uniform until the PC shows up! XD
Actually, what's worse is the fact that (if you go by what happens in the mission) AFTER wantonly killing and BORGIFYING memebers of Starfleet (who were all killed in the end by our Mirror Counterpart) - Starfleet's STILL working with her (IE Mirror/partially Borgified Janeway), and giving her Starfleet classified intel. (IE - The background on the Illia entity.)
I guess Pprime Janeway MUST be the current head of Section 31 to be able to do/allow all this so casually. That, or yeah the "Insaneway" moniker REALLY fits the character.
The enemy of my enemy sorta thing.
And mirror Janeway sure has some powerful looking arms...could see her tearing phone books in half as a hobby.
I noticed Tuvok had a cameo on the USS Voyager bridge, but he's nowhere to be found on the bridge of the ISS Voyager.
I wonder what Mirror!Janeway did to him. Or maybe Mirror!Neelix did manage to kill someone with his cooking, something his Prime counterpart hadn't managed to.
Also, our Mirror universe uniforms still don't have access to the Terran badges the NPCs now have.
So some further feedback regarding Red Shift. I've been running my characters through it, one per day, to complete the event. So some thoughts after running it multiple times on multiple toons.
- The story remains great. The environment is fantastic (can we please get this as a new Fleet Holding!?!?!?)
- The replay value gets steadily more painful. Because you feel like you do not have any agency in options in how the non stop fights go down. This type of scenario, where you have limited the players abilities down to a very narrow list of specific things, needs for the player to be able to in some way strategically effect the battles. By making clever use of terrain, stealth etc. But the mission has none of that sort of thing. The enemies need to be coming from specific directions. So we, the players can plan and setup our defense, or plan our attack. But enemies spawning randomly all around you makes that impossible. Yes I know transporters are a thing. They should have been put offline for this mission. (Heck! wasn't that a plot point?) This could be an incredibly fun mission, if the challenge was laid out as a problem for the player to solve by carefully using in game mechanics. But instead we get waves of teleporting Ensigns from all sides. This was almost a great mission design. Almost. As it is I as the player can never improve at this mission or do anything different to impact it. It's just stand and shoot in every direction.
- So far to my eye Science toons are by far the most painful. Their abilities are weak. ineffective, and feel limited.
- Oddly Engineers feel to me like the best. The Agony Ambush Turret is freakishly good, with an insanely short cooldown. The difference in gameplay frustration between the Sci Toom and the Eng is both remarkable and infuriating.
- Why is there only the one reward option? It makes replay even more pointless and painful. Does it just keep spamming you the same Exocomp kit if you replay it on the same toon? Throw in an Agony Phaser rifle or something so at least we can populate the BOFF's.
- Why does our evil twin from the mirror universe walk around with what would appear to be the second worst energy weapon in the game? Surpassed only by J'ula's pacifist pistols? I assume when we finally get to confront our evil twin the fight will be over in a fraction of a second. Because my toon walks around with a hoard of probably illegal weapons of mass destruction and villainy. While Mirror Me carries a Nerf Gun.
Before this we only had one on screen Captain, with Jason Issacs reprising the role of Captain Lorca. Spock is a bit of a gray area because we don't see him as Captain Spock in his WoK uniform, but as Commander Spock in the TOS uniform. Scotty technically counts but he was never the Captain of a starship. He just held the rank of Captain. (Reason he technically counts is he wore his engie vest even as a Captain).
But now... we got one of the Big 5 Captains. Many believed that they were out of STO's budget.
Kirk - Previous falling out with some Cryptic Devs. No interest.
Picard - Certainly out of budget unless a deal can be made.
Sisko - No interest as far as ANYONE knows.
Janeway - Now in STO
Archer - no real way to bring in at this time.
We technically have Kirk, he's just unconscious in that Babel mission,
Something I find funny is how Admiral Leeta and Marshall Janeway are allowed as "consultants" and to carry their uniform and weapons (daggers and, in Leeta's case, supposedly still having Pah Wraith powers and in Janeway's case, the freaking abilities to make Borg Drones and summon an adaptive shield), despite the former being as unhelpful and disrespectful as possible and the latter making it clear she's just teaming up with us for revenge.
But Neth Parr defecting, providing intel, directly assisting in storming the flagship of the Tzenkethi to capture the Admiral, ordering remaining forces to assist the Alliance against the Hur'q, renouncing her rank, willingly cooperating without asking anything in return? Na, throw the mini rhino-kaiju into the brig and strip her of her uniform until the PC shows up! XD
Actually, what's worse is the fact that (if you go by what happens in the mission) AFTER wantonly killing and BORGIFYING memebers of Starfleet (who were all killed in the end by our Mirror Counterpart) - Starfleet's STILL working with her (IE Mirror/partially Borgified Janeway), and giving her Starfleet classified intel. (IE - The background on the Illia entity.)
I guess Prime Janeway MUST be the current head of Section 31 to be able to do/allow all this so casually. That, or yeah the "Insaneway" moniker REALLY fits the character.
Mirror Borg are actually pretty terrifying, despite this info being from Memory Beta, this is the only intel we have on the Borg of the Mirror Universe,
In the mirror universe, the Borg were a race of cybernetically enhanced lifeforms which originated in the Delta Quadrant and spread, as the Borg Collective, throughout the galaxy, aiming to create a perfect race and bring order to the chaos of the galactic population by assimilating them—transforming them into drones of the Collective.
While the Borg in the mirror universe had the same hive-like mentality, the same assimilation methods, and the same advanced technology as their prime universe counterparts, the similarities ended there. The Borg of the mirror universe were proactively aggressive and attacked any intruder foolish enough to set foot on a Borg ship. Regardless of whether or not the intruder posed a threat to the ship, the Borg would use every resource at their disposal to assimilate the trespasser. In addition, while the Borg of the prime universe moved in a jerky, stiff-legged fashion, those of the mirror universe were much quicker thanks to advances made in nanoprobe technology. Attempts to aim a weapon at a mirror Borg, or avoid the injection tubules, were usually efforts in futility. In the mirror universe, the Borg are ruled over by a Borg King instead of a Borg Queen. (TNG - Mirror Universe novella: The Worst of Both Worlds)
Borg ships also differed in the mirror universe, as they were much larger. The cubes measured 10 kilometers or more on each side, and they were equipped with a vast array of weapons that could easily destroy a Vor'cha-class cruiser with a single shot.
just be glad we had to deal with the nerfed down versions of the Borg in Red Shift.
Which makes me wonder how Marshall Janeway not only survived her trip through the Delta Quadrant, but managed to become the Borg Queen - if any of her encounters were anything like Prime Janeway's, most of them involved infiltration.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Which makes me wonder how Marshall Janeway not only survived her trip through the Delta Quadrant, but managed to become the Borg Queen - if any of her encounters were anything like Prime Janeway's, most of them involved infiltration.
I think she just got Borg tech in her system.
Those would be BIG cubes. Like the fusion cubes from the Armada games.
And my virtual me in game uses the ambush turrets as a regular item, they are that good.
And mirror Janeway sure has some powerful looking arms...could see her tearing phone books in half as a hobby.
Orange is the New Black Janeway! Also remember Janeway is involved in these missions, so the Janeway corollary to the Prime Directive applies.
"It's not evil if WE(I) Do It!"
And mirror Janeway sure has some powerful looking arms...could see her tearing phone books in half as a hobby.
Orange is the New Black Janeway! Also remember Janeway is involved in these missions, so the Janeway corollary to the Prime Directive applies.
"It's not evil if WE(I) Do It!"
Ehh...prime directive is a doctrine of moral laziness.
And mirror Janeway sure has some powerful looking arms...could see her tearing phone books in half as a hobby.
Orange is the New Black Janeway! Also remember Janeway is involved in these missions, so the Janeway corollary to the Prime Directive applies.
"It's not evil if WE(I) Do It!"
Ehh...prime directive is a doctrine of moral laziness.
Exactly the Prime Directive isn't even moral at all, it all boils down on whether or not if a species is warp capable, If a species isn't warp capable the Federation just leaves them to die, it's why Picard threw a hissy fit in the TNG episode Homeward when doctor Nikolai Rozhenko saved a dying race from extinction who btw haven't invented FTL travel.
And mirror Janeway sure has some powerful looking arms...could see her tearing phone books in half as a hobby.
Orange is the New Black Janeway! Also remember Janeway is involved in these missions, so the Janeway corollary to the Prime Directive applies.
"It's not evil if WE(I) Do It!"
Ehh...prime directive is a doctrine of moral laziness.
Exactly the Prime Directive isn't even moral at all, it all boils down on whether or not if a species is warp capable, If a species isn't warp capable the Federation just leaves them to die, it's why Picard threw a hissy fit in the TNG episode Homeward when doctor Nikolai Rozhenko saved a dying race from extinction who btw haven't invented FTL travel.
Anyhow, I use the ambush turrets a lot on my virtual me toon. She/me would be using all sorts of alien or foreign tech as much as she/I could. Even using the Terran stuff like that razor disk ya can throw.....I keep wanting to do the Xena yell when I use it. Think of me like Entrapta from Dreamworks She-ra.
Despite the fact that Persis Khambatta died in 1998, they could definitely find a suitable voice double if Ilia awakens. But that also begs questions regarding Stephen Collins as Commander Willard Decker, as well as any surviving cast member from TMP, including William Shatner as Captain James T. Kirk.
I did ask Shatner about possibly returning for this game as Kirk. He actually told me that if the mission that he would be part of was interesting enough, then he might be persuaded to beam back to Starfleet.
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Honestly Burnham is in same gray area as Spock is as when she was added to the game she was still "Commander Burnham"
But Neth Parr defecting, providing intel, directly assisting in storming the flagship of the Tzenkethi to capture the Admiral, ordering remaining forces to assist the Alliance against the Hur'q, renouncing her rank, willingly cooperating without asking anything in return? Na, throw the mini rhino-kaiju into the brig and strip her of her uniform until the PC shows up! XD
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Actually, what's worse is the fact that (if you go by what happens in the mission) AFTER wantonly killing and BORGIFYING memebers of Starfleet (who were all killed in the end by our Mirror Counterpart) - Starfleet's STILL working with her (IE Mirror/partially Borgified Janeway), and giving her Starfleet classified intel. (IE - The background on the Illia entity.)
I guess Prime Janeway MUST be the current head of Section 31 to be able to do/allow all this so casually. That, or yeah the "Insaneway" moniker REALLY fits the character.
PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
The enemy of my enemy sorta thing.
And mirror Janeway sure has some powerful looking arms...could see her tearing phone books in half as a hobby.
I wonder what Mirror!Janeway did to him. Or maybe Mirror!Neelix did manage to kill someone with his cooking, something his Prime counterpart hadn't managed to.
Also, our Mirror universe uniforms still don't have access to the Terran badges the NPCs now have.
- The story remains great. The environment is fantastic (can we please get this as a new Fleet Holding!?!?!?)
- The replay value gets steadily more painful. Because you feel like you do not have any agency in options in how the non stop fights go down. This type of scenario, where you have limited the players abilities down to a very narrow list of specific things, needs for the player to be able to in some way strategically effect the battles. By making clever use of terrain, stealth etc. But the mission has none of that sort of thing. The enemies need to be coming from specific directions. So we, the players can plan and setup our defense, or plan our attack. But enemies spawning randomly all around you makes that impossible. Yes I know transporters are a thing. They should have been put offline for this mission. (Heck! wasn't that a plot point?) This could be an incredibly fun mission, if the challenge was laid out as a problem for the player to solve by carefully using in game mechanics. But instead we get waves of teleporting Ensigns from all sides. This was almost a great mission design. Almost. As it is I as the player can never improve at this mission or do anything different to impact it. It's just stand and shoot in every direction.
- So far to my eye Science toons are by far the most painful. Their abilities are weak. ineffective, and feel limited.
- Oddly Engineers feel to me like the best. The Agony Ambush Turret is freakishly good, with an insanely short cooldown. The difference in gameplay frustration between the Sci Toom and the Eng is both remarkable and infuriating.
- Why is there only the one reward option? It makes replay even more pointless and painful. Does it just keep spamming you the same Exocomp kit if you replay it on the same toon? Throw in an Agony Phaser rifle or something so at least we can populate the BOFF's.
- Why does our evil twin from the mirror universe walk around with what would appear to be the second worst energy weapon in the game? Surpassed only by J'ula's pacifist pistols? I assume when we finally get to confront our evil twin the fight will be over in a fraction of a second. Because my toon walks around with a hoard of probably illegal weapons of mass destruction and villainy. While Mirror Me carries a Nerf Gun.
We technically have Kirk, he's just unconscious in that Babel mission,
Mirror Borg are actually pretty terrifying, despite this info being from Memory Beta, this is the only intel we have on the Borg of the Mirror Universe,
While the Borg in the mirror universe had the same hive-like mentality, the same assimilation methods, and the same advanced technology as their prime universe counterparts, the similarities ended there. The Borg of the mirror universe were proactively aggressive and attacked any intruder foolish enough to set foot on a Borg ship. Regardless of whether or not the intruder posed a threat to the ship, the Borg would use every resource at their disposal to assimilate the trespasser. In addition, while the Borg of the prime universe moved in a jerky, stiff-legged fashion, those of the mirror universe were much quicker thanks to advances made in nanoprobe technology. Attempts to aim a weapon at a mirror Borg, or avoid the injection tubules, were usually efforts in futility. In the mirror universe, the Borg are ruled over by a Borg King instead of a Borg Queen. (TNG - Mirror Universe novella: The Worst of Both Worlds)
Borg ships also differed in the mirror universe, as they were much larger. The cubes measured 10 kilometers or more on each side, and they were equipped with a vast array of weapons that could easily destroy a Vor'cha-class cruiser with a single shot.
just be glad we had to deal with the nerfed down versions of the Borg in Red Shift.
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Those would be BIG cubes. Like the fusion cubes from the Armada games.
And my virtual me in game uses the ambush turrets as a regular item, they are that good.
Ah thanks for clearing that up.
Orange is the New Black Janeway! Also remember Janeway is involved in these missions, so the Janeway corollary to the Prime Directive applies.
"It's not evil if WE(I) Do It!"
Ehh...prime directive is a doctrine of moral laziness.
Exactly the Prime Directive isn't even moral at all, it all boils down on whether or not if a species is warp capable, If a species isn't warp capable the Federation just leaves them to die, it's why Picard threw a hissy fit in the TNG episode Homeward when doctor Nikolai Rozhenko saved a dying race from extinction who btw haven't invented FTL travel.
I'm surprised Prime Janeway is working with her Terran Counterpart, I thought Prime Janeway hated dealing with other Janeways.
If I were on Picard's enterprise at the time, I'd have flung my badge at him, and resigned, giving him the 2 finger salute.
Here's a good article. https://skepticink.com/incredulous/2012/11/04/the-prime-directive-star-treks-doctrine-of-moral-laziness/
Anyhow, I use the ambush turrets a lot on my virtual me toon. She/me would be using all sorts of alien or foreign tech as much as she/I could. Even using the Terran stuff like that razor disk ya can throw.....I keep wanting to do the Xena yell when I use it. Think of me like Entrapta from Dreamworks She-ra.
*casts Holy Photon Torpedo*
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