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How would the Alliance work, I know there's going to be a bunch of Federation influence, but thing that would bother me is if they all started spouting about the Prime Directive, like only 1/4th of the Alliance actually cares about it since it's a Starfleet exclusive thing, while Romulans, Klingons and the Dominion on the other hand would give zero TRIBBLE about it.
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Well alliances like these will have some agreed upon joint agreements, sure KDF or RRN wouldn't most likely honor the Prime Directive on their own initiative but if UFP told that honoring it was something they wished for there to be an alliance, Romulans and Klingons would probably not see "not honoring" the Prime Directive as a hill worth dying for. Honestly I'd suspect only the Dominion would have issues with upholding the Prime Directive being a "gentleman's agreement" for being part of the Alliance.
As angrytarg said think of it as UN style entity not a USA style nation. So it's very limited jurisdiction and more of a moderator between the members rather then an overlord.
I'm pretty sure the Prime Directive will be adopted, as we already know the Alliance (in the future) has a Temporal Prime Directive.
As Enterprise (the show) showed, the Federation itself mostly evolved from cooperation on security issues and some trade-related concerns.
Non-interference with other cultures didn't seem to be the most important thing during the negotiations. It's likely something that acquired it's importance later on, as more member species got behind it or simply had to accept it to become part of the growing club.
So I'm guessing that eventually the other members of the Alliance will just accept it because they see its moral value - or because opposing it simply isn't worth it in a military, economic or diplomatic sense.
> Which is rather funny to think about when you consider that the Federation itself is a UN style entity, and not a USA style nation.
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> So the UN joined the mega UN.
I’ve always saw the Federation as a USA type organization. The federation is like the federal government and each member planet is like a state.
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> Actually, its a major plot point in Delta Rising that the Alliance can't maintain a sizeable presence in the Delta Quadrant due to logistics reasons.
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> This is why most of Delta Rising was covert ops, and alliance building, to get the races of the Delta Quadrant to from their own Delta Alliance, and make a decisive first strike against the Vaadwaur. The Khitomer Alliance couldn't fight a large war in the Delta Quadrant with the bottlenecks of the gateways, so they needed the Delta Quadrant races to do it themselves. The same is likely true of the Gamma Quadrant due to the wormhole, and the Dominion unlikely to be keen on a large force of other races in their home area.
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> Most of the Alliance forces would be in the Alpha/Beta Quadrant. In early TNG its stated that the Federation had explored 19% of the galaxy, and by STO's time its likely closer to 23-25%. The Khitomer Alliance is having to keep the peace in around a quarter of the galaxy as is. And with the devastation brought by the Iconians in the Iconian War, they wouldn't have the ability to maintain large forces elsewhere.
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> There would likely be smaller forces in the Gamma and Delta Quadrants, serving advisory, assistance, and communications, roles between the Delta Alliance, the Dominion, and the Khitomer Alliance.
While this is true at the beginning of the Iconian War it may not still be true “now”. The alliance has grown since then. They have a fleet now.
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> The only major member the alliance has gained since the Iconian War is the Dominion, who where themselves depleted by the Hur'q crisis.
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> And they always had a fleet. The Alliance fleet was the fleets of the Federation, Klingon Empire, and Romulan Republic. They started making Khitomer Alliance specific ship designs, but the Alliance fleet is the same combo fleet they have always have.
While true it wasn’t until “recently” that it became a real entity. I think there should be differences in how the Khitomer Alliance operates so that it’s not just Star Fleet 2.0 now with Romulans and Jem’hadar.
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> I mean... not really?
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> The Khitomer Alliance has been a legit thing since the Undine attacked Earth and Qo'nos. It was a thing through Delta Rising, the Iconian War, The Temporal Cold War, the Tzenkethi crisis, the Hur'q crisis, and the recent Klingon Civil War.
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> Its been a thing since 2014 in real world time, and for like nearly 2 years of in-game time.
“Recently” it got its own ships, own uniforms, own bases and own admiralty board. While the Alliance has been around for a while we are seeing it start to become its own entity.
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I was very surprised when I noticed that my 'fleet support' button always called alliance ships when I was in an alliance ship.
Yes Alliance personel have their own uniform but it's more to mark them as being on special assignment rather them being something independent from their home nations.
EDIT:This probably why the Khitomer uniform has shoulder patches that show what nation the officer is from.
Considering that all the efforts to bring down the Federation have centered around invading, assimilating, or blowing up Earth, I'm forced to wonder about that. It seems very centralized if losing Earth in some form or another leads it to collapse. (Or nearly so, like the "pocket Federation" we have in Discovery Season 3.)
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the UFP is still a Vulcan Creation, while it wouldn't have worked without the Humans working as medium between the other founding members, but if the UFP were to lose Earth, the Vulcans would probably try to create another one after considering that it was a failed prototype that needed to be improved upon but a bit more to their liking ie Federation 2.0 now more logical and emotionless.
Where was it said that UFP was a Vulcan creation, ENT seems to imply if any of the founders could take sole credit it would be United Earth thru the work of Jonathan Archer, if anything the series show the Vulcans quite opposed to such things as it would mean working together with the Andorians.
To an extent, the UFP losing Earth is something that happens in Discovery, whether or not you would consider that to be canon is a matter of how you feel about Discovery. Of course, Vulcan or Ni'var, as they call it in the 32nd century, also left the Federation.
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