To what end? I mean, everyone complains that Rey was a 'Mary-Sue'.
I personally think most of the time a character gets called that is because the person saying it doesn't like the character and can't be bothered to explain why. One of the more ridiculous is calling a character "hypercompetent"... which is a fancy way of saying you think they're too skilled at something... often for nonsensical reasons.
Luke had Kenobi for guidance to become a powerful Jedi while Rey had no one in The Force Awakens to teach her how to use the Force. It is like someone doing neurosurgery competently with absolutely no training.
To what end? I mean, everyone complains that Rey was a 'Mary-Sue'.
I personally think most of the time a character gets called that is because the person saying it doesn't like the character and can't be bothered to explain why. One of the more ridiculous is calling a character "hypercompetent"... which is a fancy way of saying you think they're too skilled at something... often for nonsensical reasons.
Luke had Kenobi for guidance to become a powerful Jedi while Rey had no one in The Force Awakens to teach her how to use the Force. It is like someone doing neurosurgery competently with absolutely no training.
Luke needed Kenobi to teach him because he was too much of a hothead to relax and let the Force do its work on an instinctive level. Like Kenobi said, the force can control your actions following your will. Rey did not have the problem letting go that Luke had so she had an instinctive head start on him (Anakin was exactly the same way before he got the Jedi training, which is how a 9 year old could fly a fighter he never even saw before then).
It is actually not an unusual concept in fantasy stories (Andre Norton's Witch World stories are a good example. For instance the witch jewels formed a kind of network across time and space and the witches could envision what they wanted to do and let the jewels take care of the details because someone somewhere in that network knew how to do whatever magic was needed if that particular witch did not (though none of the modern witches knew that network existed or exactly how they got that temporary knowledge that subtly promped them though unfamiliar spells).
To what end? I mean, everyone complains that Rey was a 'Mary-Sue'.
I personally think most of the time a character gets called that is because the person saying it doesn't like the character and can't be bothered to explain why. One of the more ridiculous is calling a character "hypercompetent"... which is a fancy way of saying you think they're too skilled at something... often for nonsensical reasons.
Luke had Kenobi for guidance to become a powerful Jedi while Rey had no one in The Force Awakens to teach her how to use the Force. It is like someone doing neurosurgery competently with absolutely no training.
Luke needed Kenobi to teach him because he was too much of a hothead to relax and let the Force do its work on an instinctive level. Like Kenobi said, the force can control your actions following your will. Rey did not have the problem letting go that Luke had so she had an instinctive head start on him (Anakin was exactly the same way before he got the Jedi training, which is how a 9 year old could fly a fighter he never even saw before then).
Also Obi-wan and Yoda never taught Luke very much. Obi-wan taught Luke to connect on an instinctive level. Yoda taught Luke that it's an effort of will and not physical exertion. That's pretty much it. The climactic scene was when he finally figures out how to do it right. Then the movie was over. Luke was pretty much the worst Jedi ever.
Rey gets to that point half way through the movie, then actually does stuff with the Force. Also Rey had a teacher in the form of Maz Kanata. Not a Jedi, still knows how to use the Force though.
To what end? I mean, everyone complains that Rey was a 'Mary-Sue'.
I personally think most of the time a character gets called that is because the person saying it doesn't like the character and can't be bothered to explain why. One of the more ridiculous is calling a character "hypercompetent"... which is a fancy way of saying you think they're too skilled at something... often for nonsensical reasons.
Luke had Kenobi for guidance to become a powerful Jedi while Rey had no one in The Force Awakens to teach her how to use the Force. It is like someone doing neurosurgery competently with absolutely no training.
Wrong analogy. Moses didn't need any training at all to part the Red Sea.
The Force is the softest magic system in existence and always has been. Your ability to do something isn't related to how much practice you do, it's related to the strength of your belief that an action is possible. You do not produce the Force, you're only directing it.
And as it turns out, that kind of blind faith is harder than you'd think. Like Yoda said to Luke, "You must unlearn what you have learned."
Rey may not know much about the Force, but her faith in herself is absolute. It has to be: she survived as an orphan on Jakku with nobody but herself to depend on for the better part of twenty years. Once she learns she has this power, it's not as big of a cognitive step for her as it was for Luke.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
The SW movies are wildly inconsistent in how the Force is portrayed, so there is simply no "logical" argument that is going to explain these inconsistencies in a satisfying way.
The SW movies are wildly inconsistent in how the Force is portrayed, so there is simply no "logical" argument that is going to explain these inconsistencies in a satisfying way.
And also no reason to expect it to work a certain way in the future.
Just had an interesting idea. What if Obi-Wan Kenobi, Yoda, and Luke Skywalker didn't die, but transcended. Kenobi disappeared before Vader's Lightsaber could hit him. Skywalker disappeared while in a meditation pose. Yoda is the only one that seemed to have actually disappear after his death. Then there is the fact that Yoda was able to use the Force to burn down that tree with lightning in The Last Jedi and Luke levitating the X-wing out of the water in Rise of Skywalker. So if a Jedi disappeared, then they are able to use the force to influence reality after they transcended.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
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Luke had Kenobi for guidance to become a powerful Jedi while Rey had no one in The Force Awakens to teach her how to use the Force. It is like someone doing neurosurgery competently with absolutely no training.
Luke needed Kenobi to teach him because he was too much of a hothead to relax and let the Force do its work on an instinctive level. Like Kenobi said, the force can control your actions following your will. Rey did not have the problem letting go that Luke had so she had an instinctive head start on him (Anakin was exactly the same way before he got the Jedi training, which is how a 9 year old could fly a fighter he never even saw before then).
It is actually not an unusual concept in fantasy stories (Andre Norton's Witch World stories are a good example. For instance the witch jewels formed a kind of network across time and space and the witches could envision what they wanted to do and let the jewels take care of the details because someone somewhere in that network knew how to do whatever magic was needed if that particular witch did not (though none of the modern witches knew that network existed or exactly how they got that temporary knowledge that subtly promped them though unfamiliar spells).
Rey gets to that point half way through the movie, then actually does stuff with the Force. Also Rey had a teacher in the form of Maz Kanata. Not a Jedi, still knows how to use the Force though.
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Wrong analogy. Moses didn't need any training at all to part the Red Sea.
The Force is the softest magic system in existence and always has been. Your ability to do something isn't related to how much practice you do, it's related to the strength of your belief that an action is possible. You do not produce the Force, you're only directing it.
And as it turns out, that kind of blind faith is harder than you'd think. Like Yoda said to Luke, "You must unlearn what you have learned."
Rey may not know much about the Force, but her faith in herself is absolute. It has to be: she survived as an orphan on Jakku with nobody but herself to depend on for the better part of twenty years. Once she learns she has this power, it's not as big of a cognitive step for her as it was for Luke.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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My character Tsin'xing
yeah, being able to influence and affect the material world after death would certainly quality
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"