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ambassadorkael
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With the launch of Awakening, we're launching a new system to take a lot of the pain out of finishing an event. Find out more here:
https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11240253
https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11240253
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The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
How can the UI improvement help to GET REWARDS QUICKER?
I was hoping for a brand new system that could "actually help to take the PAIN of finishing an event" as it previously said. Something like doing the event perhaps through DOFFs or admiralty system or since we are all fleet admirals send your ships/BOFFS to finish up the event for you. I know too much to ask but one can always dream.
It's great to focus in improving the UI but they should have just call it that..."UI improvement" or "easier to track progress" and not hype it too much. Just my opinion but thankful anyways
Original STO beta tester.
me too
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also you no longer earn tokens once you complete the event.
no more 30k dil per character for doing event on each character.
One of the reasons I ran extra days after finishing an event was to cover missed days for when I was sick or on holiday. So now that is not possible? If that is correct the new systems sounds worse for us players with less flexibility. It sounds like we can no longer build up a backup in case of things going wrong in the future.
If this is right we have a situation where players wouldn’t have missed rewards in the old system but due to the way the new system works they could potentially miss rewards that previously they would have been ok to get. Hopefully I am jumping the gun and misunderstanding how this new system works. I will reserve final judgement until I see the full new system. But based on some of the other revamps that have been worse for us players I am a little worried.
“Progress will now work like earned XP where you simply gain it until you reach your goal and then you can claim your reward. There is no need to remember to slot the event project and claim the item. Simply play the event and watch as your points accumulate!”
That sounds less satisfying to play to me as I liked the interactions, personally I don’t find overly streamlined and automated systems satisfying to play.
I am not keen on this streamlining, auto win, auto handout everything is done automatically for you with minimum of interactions and no way to fail. This design path you are going down for me has removed the feeling of accomplishment, removed challenge and removed the feeling of reward for taking part. I understand why you have some content like this but why has everything been pushed down this path? I don’t believe this approach you are taking is a healthy path for player retention. Just recently I moved fleets as everyone in my old fleet left and a lot of it was due to this streamlining, auto win, auto handout approached you are taking.
Can you not make a mix of styles of content for different players?
EDIT: I play focused on one character and my post it written from the point of view of someone who doesn't really use secondary characters.
https://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/cw6rmq/get_event_rewards_quicker/
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
In the new system, we've attempted to account for the average Dilithium earnings that Events of this type account for across our playerbase, in the form of a series of tweaks being made to the Bonus Earnings you can receive after the primary prize has been received.
More information on this will soon be forthcoming!
We have a plan in place for these, but I'm not sure if we're ready to announce it just yet. Stay tuned for additional info!
We also have a plan in place for these. Hold onto them until we're ready to announce that!
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
Well, that seems more promising. Still, the "average Dilithium earnings" is not exactly the best way to go about this. Also, if the Dilithium you give us is unrefined, then yeah... it's gonna be a big change. It's not the same getting, say, 30k bonus dilithium on one character that getting 10k on 3 different ones.
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- quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
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- quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;
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Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
Aye, well the proof will be in the pudding, but indeed sounds more promising than pissing in the wind & calling it rain. I'm glad Cryptic is thinking ahead on these things instead of just blanket nerfing players abilities of earning rewards.
This.
Still, from what I read, I like to old -current- style better.
This is bar non my biggest concern. In part for myself but in large part for several friends I've talked into playing STO late this summer, who slotted the summer ship project but didn't have the time to complete it. I told them that they'd get the chance next year but now I have no idea if I should tell them that they're screwed out of the ship or not.
So seriously Bort, announcing this without being able to announce what happens to unfinished slotted projects is... a bad decision. It may not have been yours, probably wasn't, but whosoever did decide this needs a slap with a week old salmon.
This is something else that worries me. I have chronic arthritis which means some days I can't even sit up straight, much less play a game. Things like being able to grind ahead or complete and event ship next year instead of this one, has been crucial in keeping me playing this game. If this goes into effect as it reads and we won't be able to complete an event later, or grind ahead, then this is one more reason for me to ignore events which means one more reason to not get into the game at all.
I'm wondering is this so call QoL update isn't shooting themselves in the foot.
I'm wondering this too. Could someone who knows how this works, @ambassadorkael#6946 or any of the devs, gives us an example of the math of this? Like if we don't complete the project, then what? The discount then means what? We'll have to pay for it in the C-store with money? How does that discount even work?
I am really worried this is going be another QoL update that in actual fact makes things worse just like the queue UI change, new UI reputation, and new mission journal UI which where sold as making QoL better but really made QoL worse for me.
As is, it almost sounds like a reaction to folk like myself being vocal about stockpiling tokens so we can bypass trash like the kamikaze maru by phasing out tokens in favour of an itemless points system similar to the t6 voucher unlock.
All progress for upcoming Events will also now be truly account-wide
How about the ability to grind dilithium or marks in other alternate characters? I make a ton of resources using alternates. Will this be discouraged then? I hope it is optional like it is on the current TFO events. I want the new shinies in all my alternates but also want the EXTRA dil/other marks that comes from doing them in alternates.
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This was the impression I got as well. No more saving up vouchers by running the event on extra days in order to skip the lamer events. Now, if you want the reward you have to do the specific event and not have run extra days of other events you like to get extra tokens so you can skip the ones you don't. I get why this is being done, doesn't mean I have to like it. Which I don't.
This is why I ran extra days as well. I recently had the rug pulled out from under me in just about every aspect of my life. In the span of 4 days, I had to put my mother into an assisted living facility, I lost my job and then my mother died. With her death, I also lost my home because I was her caregiver (my job, which was lost) living in her home. As she owned the home, but was on Medicaid, the state took the home to recoup some of the money. So homeless, jobless and dealing with the loss of my mother. The last 6 months has been the lowest point in my life and playing games has helped me cope by allowing me to take my mind off things for even short amounts of time. And having saved up the tokens kept me from missing out on some events. But in the future, this will no longer be an option. Thanks.
What this sounds like to me is the way the coupon for the free T6 ship worked, 50 points a day for every day you played the event plus bonus days awarding an extra 50 per day. I suspect the coupon thing was a way of testing out the new system.
It'll take some getting used to, but I think I can handle the "no more hands on" aspect of this change. One less thing to worry about and less stuff cluttering up my inventory. However, with the other changes, it'll likely end up being more to worry about, for me anyway.
Overall, I get why the changes are being made. I even don't mind some parts of it. But taken as a whole, it just means that people are more likely to miss things without the ability to save up by doing extra when they can. Oh well. With all the events over the last year or so, I've been getting more and more burned out with the game, so maybe it's time to take a break.
Losing faith in humanity, one person at a time.
"-Hey, guys, we're changing something that didn't need to be changed"
-So, what about the important stuff? Like events we couldn't finish in time but current can with the next iteration? What about those sessions spent to stockpile the tokens, some of which were paid with real money?
-... We'll tell you in due time! Promised!"
Here's what jaded-me actually thinks since there was already an attempt to curb that behavior with the anniversary, winter and summer events:
You noticed a pattern where:
First, a significant amount of players played for more than 14 days on several characters during one event (usually the shortest, like Crystalline Cataclysm or even the new Sompek), stockpiling commendations,
Then, the next events showed a significant drop of playtime,
Because these players just directly used the stockpiled commendations from one character for each following event
In order to spare themselves the grind again until they run out of commendations,
Because they were not interested in playing the same couple of time-gated events 14 times again and again and again and again.
So as opposed to try and make the grind shorter (even though there has thankfully been efforts to reduce the amount of times needed during one run for a couple of events) by I dunno, cutting the run requirements in half so it's only 7 runs or allowing people to do several runs a day, you still try to make sure they will grind those 14 days.
That may not be your intentions, but that's what it has been looking for quite a while for me.
Agreed.
Why in the world we are calling this an improvement? IMO seems this might discourage people from playing or those that have accumulated FTFO tokens disguised in a UI improvement?
It is a bit chaotic first to tell players go ahead and play as much as you can and make so many tokens that we will give you a free new ship.
Then, now punish the same players from having any sense of enjoying FTFOs and accumulating extra tokens.
I get that once in while they do need to cutback the number of tokens/commendations since they get too old but tbh this seems a bit chaotic in long term planning specially since the free ship promo still going on.
Original STO beta tester.
It sounds interesting in some ways but i have been down this road before of to many currency in use so we need to stream line it.
And now from what little i can gather from the provided info we are returning to the different currency just in a new tab in a ui change.
Its account based now as opposed to per toon.
And now we are phasing out the tokens we had the bright ideal would replace the different currency in a ui last spring cleaning that took place.
And also for those that want a buy out option of some sort. And in some manner makes me not miss a event item or reward. Yet some how get it faster?
I am interested in knowing more of this as some how the presented info has left me confused. And we are to hold on to find out more later. From the plan you have? Or you are still testing the ideals of the plan before letting every one know what it is?
I would love some screen shots even if a place holder or concept shots. Or some information of how it will be in keeping multi events and how the counter will work. I understand the part of it will gather like exp. But if its for multi events unless i have that wrong. Are we talking about one progress bar and when it fills we hit buy on a event item. Or back to multi currency in a ui?
I look forward to more information on this and if we are going to counters lets git rid of the elite tokens from tfo's in the bank and just use the counter ui you already have in place so we get that bank space for more stuff.
This goes live in two weeks. Two weeks! And they refuse to tell us what will happen to uncompleted projects because according to @borticuscryptic 'they're not ready yet'?
Seriously?
Why not wait with announcing the whole thing until the actual launch then? Why saddle us with an incomplete message and no real information? It sounds like the system isn't even done yet and you have no clue how you're going to handle those project except remove them and give no rewards.
I'm glad I saved tokens from 11 characters on CCA AND had the presence of mind to slot the event just in case something like this happened. For those that didn't, Bort did say to save your tokens because there's "a plan in place" for them that they are not yet ready to announce. So you probably won't lose out like you did last time.
My concern isn't with excess tokens. I'm none too fuzzed if they just turn out worthless. My concern is with uncompleted projects like the summer event ship and others like it. I don't buy that they're simply not ready to announce it considering this goes live in two weeks. Sounds more like they don't know how to handle it and am hoping they get whatever half assed plan they have done in time.