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'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I think they're going to abadon the 'blue vs. red' paradigm that has governed this game from the start. Aka, Fed and the Klink are going to kiss and make up. Lethean Escort, await your purchase by me!
I think they're going to abadon the 'blue vs. red' paradigm that has governed this game from the start. Aka, Fed and the Klink are going to kiss and make up. Lethean Escort, await your purchase by me!
Fed and Klink kissed and made up years ago. What's left of the "blue vs red" paradigm (which is pretty much just the non-queue teaming restriction and separate fleets) is retained because expunging it from the code would be too much work (the team restriction specifically has been mentioned by the devs as being because of this).
Though they could of course remove race/faction restrictions from ships/clothes/etc which actually go far further than just "blue vs red" (to whatever extent CBS would allow them to). As a collector, I would certainly welcome this.
I think they're going to abadon the 'blue vs. red' paradigm that has governed this game from the start. Aka, Fed and the Klink are going to kiss and make up. Lethean Escort, await your purchase by me!
Those who move forward past the signing ceremony would appear in instances intended only for them. Everything in the Galactic Union era will be exclusive to that superfaction. No more ships, equipment, gear or ANYTHING will be produced for the pre-union era, meaning those who want to stay pre-union must be willing to play the game with no forward-going content or assets. All they have to do to start enjoying the new material is to drink the kool-aid complete the signing ceremony event.
Well at least completing the signing event is optional...
It would be nice not having to purchase any more cross faction ship mega bundles as they can be a bit pricey.
New assets for the superfaction such as ships would only come in one design and color... same as the 31st Century Temporal Ship Bundle. This uniformity would signify unity and emphasize the fact that we're now one faction, united, for the betterment of all.
With member worlds of the Galactic Union existing in all four quadrants of the galaxy, We could look to other galaxies. With the galaxy united, the door to the universe is open
I'd really like to visit another galaxy on my Fed Romulan flying a Kar'fi Carrier while doffing for marauding.
With member worlds of the Galactic Union existing in all four quadrants of the galaxy, We could look to other galaxies. With the galaxy united, the door to the universe is open
The Federation had only explored around 20% of the galaxy by the time of early TNG. Even with the opening of the Bajoran wormhole, Voyager's 7 year trip into the DQ, and the 30+ years between Voyager's return, and the beginning of STO, its unlikely the Federation has explored more then 30% of the galaxy.
That still leaves 70% of the galaxy to explore before we have a reason to move to other galaxies.
We already have instancing of pretty much every map we go to. Those who move forward past the signing ceremony would appear in instances intended only for them. Everything in the Galactic Union era will be exclusive to that superfaction. No more ships, equipment, gear or ANYTHING will be produced for the pre-union era, meaning those who want to stay pre-union must be willing to play the game with no forward-going content or assets. All they have to do to start enjoying the new material is complete the signing ceremony event.
No game company would do such a change in that kind of manner. Dividing the playerbase like that is one of the worst moves a company could make. If they do it, it will be 100% mandatory, and probably just HAPPEN, and not be part of any sort of mission or w/e.
Believe it or not, White Wolf actually did something like that to themselves in the paper-and-dice rp gaming market, dropping their entire line of World of Darkness games in favor of a reboot. It had mixed results at best and split the community which was definitely not the "reinvigoration" of the line they were expecting. I seriously doubt Cryptic is going to pull a stunt like White did however.
Since the "change the face of the game" thing came on the heels of talk about the meeting with CBS and being let in on confidential information about where CBS is going with their Star Trek stuff I would assume it has something to do with that, but what form that would take if true is anyone's guess at this point.
With member worlds of the Galactic Union existing in all four quadrants of the galaxy, We could look to other galaxies. With the galaxy united, the door to the universe is open
The Federation had only explored around 20% of the galaxy by the time of early TNG. Even with the opening of the Bajoran wormhole, Voyager's 7 year trip into the DQ, and the 30+ years between Voyager's return, and the beginning of STO, its unlikely the Federation has explored more then 30% of the galaxy.
That still leaves 70% of the galaxy to explore before we have a reason to move to other galaxies.
We already have instancing of pretty much every map we go to. Those who move forward past the signing ceremony would appear in instances intended only for them. Everything in the Galactic Union era will be exclusive to that superfaction. No more ships, equipment, gear or ANYTHING will be produced for the pre-union era, meaning those who want to stay pre-union must be willing to play the game with no forward-going content or assets. All they have to do to start enjoying the new material is complete the signing ceremony event.
No game company would do such a change in that kind of manner. Dividing the playerbase like that is one of the worst moves a company could make. If they do it, it will be 100% mandatory, and probably just HAPPEN, and not be part of any sort of mission or w/e.
Believe it or not, White Wolf actually did something like that to themselves in the paper-and-dice rp gaming market, dropping their entire line of World of Darkness games in favor of a reboot. It had mixed results at best and split the community which was definitely not the "reinvigoration" of the line they were expecting. I seriously doubt Cryptic is going to pull a stunt like White did however.
Personally I preferred the nWoD, because before the entire universe, across all product lines, had a meta that was headed toward the end of the world (for certain values of "end") by about the year 2000. I don't think they imagined, when they created the games in the early '90s, they'd be popular a decade later.
When they actually did revitalize the WoD, it was in part by removal of that meta, although I haven't seen the latest edition of V:tM, so I don't know if they kept some nWoD things like the eldest of vampires being unreliable witnesses (they begin to lose track of the difference between memories and the dreams of torpor), which was one of the things I liked best about V:tR (the old meta basically removed agency from the players unless they engaged in rampant diablerie in order to steal their elders' power).
The proposed temporal split between Klingon War and Galactic Union, though, is more simply carrying forward the existing meta of STO, not quite the level of the reboot of WoD. I'm still not sure this can be done within the existing software framework, but as a concept I do like it.
I think they're going to abadon the 'blue vs. red' paradigm that has governed this game from the start. Aka, Fed and the Klink are going to kiss and make up. Lethean Escort, await your purchase by me!
Fed and Klink kissed and made up years ago. What's left of the "blue vs red" paradigm (which is pretty much just the non-queue teaming restriction and separate fleets) is retained because expunging it from the code would be too much work (the team restriction specifically has been mentioned by the devs as being because of this).
Though they could of course remove race/faction restrictions from ships/clothes/etc which actually go far further than just "blue vs red" (to whatever extent CBS would allow them to). As a collector, I would certainly welcome this.
And that's really pretty much all I care about: doing away with the artificial 'You cannot fly Klink stuff.' I mean, they let my Rom fly Fed ships one day, so why not Klink ships for my Fed?! We're all on the same team now.
I think they're going to abadon the 'blue vs. red' paradigm that has governed this game from the start. Aka, Fed and the Klink are going to kiss and make up. Lethean Escort, await your purchase by me!
Fed and Klink kissed and made up years ago. What's left of the "blue vs red" paradigm (which is pretty much just the non-queue teaming restriction and separate fleets) is retained because expunging it from the code would be too much work (the team restriction specifically has been mentioned by the devs as being because of this).
Though they could of course remove race/faction restrictions from ships/clothes/etc which actually go far further than just "blue vs red" (to whatever extent CBS would allow them to). As a collector, I would certainly welcome this.
And that's really pretty much all I care about: doing away with the artificial 'You cannot fly Klink stuff.' I mean, they let my Rom fly Fed ships one day, so why not Klink ships for my Fed?! We're all on the same team now.
Pretty much, yeah. Gets even more artificial with the ships Cryptic excluded from the roms, with no explanation. I mean, I imagine it's possible that they just didn't want to code a selector into the factionized lockbox ships to let roms choose between the romulan and allied version . I guess they might have held back the veteran reward ships because they intend(ed) to make the jem'hadar their own version to keep them fully factionized (though I don't understand the point of doing that). But I have no idea why they wouldn't have enabled the Vengeance, the T6 NX and the Command Assault Cruiser which had no such issues since they only have a Fed version. The T5 mirror ships they just plain forgot, they weren't even in the list of ships that were excluded.
And I'm not gonna even get started on all the clothes restrictions.
If someone wants to play a pure Romulan with none of this choosing which faction to play the rest of the game with, then they can. They simply must avoid making the decision. It means being stuck in Romulan space, with only content and assets available up to that point.
In Lord of the Rings Online, you have the option of never leaving the starter regions if you don't want to... I had a loremaster/scholar I kept there, and when I played him, I served as a guide for new players who were just finding their footing in the game. I'd travel with them and offer support up to the point where they start the final starter quest, which ends with the transition to the full gameworld. I would tell them to seek out my main who was a much higher level character and he would continue to help them beyond that point. Made some friends in that game that way. The point is that I VOLUNTARILY gated myself from the rest of the game with that character.
So yeah... developers do this sort of thing all the time.
Players can choose to stop playing at any time, in any game. That's not anything developers do.
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So... why are we hung up on mechanics again? Also I think the Galactic Union was formed more closer to the signing of the Temporal Accords in the 28th Century.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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IIRC, we don't know when the Galactic Union was formed, only that it was in existence by the time the Temporal Accords were signed.
Just looked it up, and you recall correctly. All we know is that it's sometime between 2409 and 2769 (when the Accords were signed), and according to Memory Beta has its roots in the Alliance we enjoy in 2410.
The best exploration/submersion you can do, is developing your character (and using your I M A G I N A T I O N)
A bit more Dominion & a lot more Cardassian stuff/more faction stuff, not less
More melee stuff, even if space barbie
some tlc for earlier lockboxes
J'Ula/Killy/Leeta stuff to tie it all in, even though the Terran stuff is getting a bit tiresome (ironic, I know)
Cooperative faction that doesn't interfere with LTS bc straight Lib Borg & not Lib Borg X
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Though they could of course remove race/faction restrictions from ships/clothes/etc which actually go far further than just "blue vs red" (to whatever extent CBS would allow them to). As a collector, I would certainly welcome this.
Believe it or not, White Wolf actually did something like that to themselves in the paper-and-dice rp gaming market, dropping their entire line of World of Darkness games in favor of a reboot. It had mixed results at best and split the community which was definitely not the "reinvigoration" of the line they were expecting. I seriously doubt Cryptic is going to pull a stunt like White did however.
Since the "change the face of the game" thing came on the heels of talk about the meeting with CBS and being let in on confidential information about where CBS is going with their Star Trek stuff I would assume it has something to do with that, but what form that would take if true is anyone's guess at this point.
When they actually did revitalize the WoD, it was in part by removal of that meta, although I haven't seen the latest edition of V:tM, so I don't know if they kept some nWoD things like the eldest of vampires being unreliable witnesses (they begin to lose track of the difference between memories and the dreams of torpor), which was one of the things I liked best about V:tR (the old meta basically removed agency from the players unless they engaged in rampant diablerie in order to steal their elders' power).
The proposed temporal split between Klingon War and Galactic Union, though, is more simply carrying forward the existing meta of STO, not quite the level of the reboot of WoD. I'm still not sure this can be done within the existing software framework, but as a concept I do like it.
And that's really pretty much all I care about: doing away with the artificial 'You cannot fly Klink stuff.' I mean, they let my Rom fly Fed ships one day, so why not Klink ships for my Fed?! We're all on the same team now.
And I'm not gonna even get started on all the clothes restrictions.
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A bit more Dominion & a lot more Cardassian stuff/more faction stuff, not less
More melee stuff, even if space barbie
some tlc for earlier lockboxes
J'Ula/Killy/Leeta stuff to tie it all in, even though the Terran stuff is getting a bit tiresome (ironic, I know)
Cooperative faction that doesn't interfere with LTS bc straight Lib Borg & not Lib Borg X
hopefully, in time
in the mean time...*polishing noises*
Tal'Shiar/Reman Resistance/Romulan Nemesis uniform, pls.
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