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Rise of the TFO trolls
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Lately i have noticed that there is a rise in the amount of TFO trolls who make use of the Random TFO mechanic which fills up a TFO once someone has queued for it. Once the TFO has started, they switch characters leaving the remaining members shorthanded.
One queue which IMO is particular vulnerable to this the Herald Sphere with the numerous time gates and cut scenes.
Has anyone else experienced this and which TFO are also vulnerable.
Should certain TFO be removed from the list due to their vulnerability to trolls? Or should people who queued for a TFO the regular way simply not be allowed to switch characters.
One queue which IMO is particular vulnerable to this the Herald Sphere with the numerous time gates and cut scenes.
Has anyone else experienced this and which TFO are also vulnerable.
Should certain TFO be removed from the list due to their vulnerability to trolls? Or should people who queued for a TFO the regular way simply not be allowed to switch characters.
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We shouldnt reward this people with adjusting the system so there playstyle. If they sign up for random they want it for the dil or to join a random TFO.
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As far as ground, I haven't ran into this problem. Plus there aren't any ground TFO's you can't complete with 4 people. Minimum is 3. The main example of this are:
Infected Manus ground
Khitomer Ground
Cure Ground
Brotherhood of the Sword
I sometimes play on a reasonably new W10 laptop that still locks up once in a blue moon and it used to be that if I could reboot it before the 'STF' ended and do some damage I wouldn't be penalized. Recently in TFO's I've gotten a leaver penalty 100% of the time after doing a hard shutdown and placed back into non-combat. Would expect the same if you switch toons.
It would be nice if the penalty had the possibility to escalate similar to other mechanics such as the report function in chat does if certain thresholds are met. In this case perhaps a threshold on leaver penalties? Perhaps there is one and we just don't know it (a pleasant thought).
It frankly dumbfounds me why anybody would engage in this sort of behavior.
That's the assumption.
I feel it is kind of immature to act like this, but did we not see similar behavior with e.g. cover shield trolls?
For the moment it is a loophole that leaving a TFO by switching characters does not give a leaver penalty.
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While I agree on all points here. I think we can all admit, they're using random TFO, because they want to random TFO reward.
I also understand some of the reasoning behind it. Some just don't like ground TFOs and only want space ones. Some want the random TFO reward for the easy and quick usual ones, that use to be run before hand ISA, KSA, CCA, and such. You know the super easy one.
However here, the jokes on them. They take the 30 minute leavers queue, and most TFO's are done in 15 minutes or so. So while they've had to wait that 30 minutes, those of us that have done it, have already moved on to our second random TFO. We're getting more rewards than they are. Because even if that alt, there's no guarantee they'll get a TFO they want. So, while those of us that are hanging in there and doing the TFOs that come up on random and gaining the rewards. They're having to alt, potentially losing the rewards on multiple characters at a time.
Their loss, our gain.
Personally, I see this as a blessing. If they leave, that means we're sort one. It also means I don't have an afker in said TFO getting free rewards.
Though, I do suppose they could setup a system for this. An account detection system to tracks the leaver penalty. Which they could use to impose a temporary, account-wide TFO lockout. The problem here would be on how to set it to where it doesn't punish those that get DCed for it, and use safe login. If I DC during a TFO, which generally always happens at the starting map change, I do normal login so I can jump right back into said TFO. The safe login drops you in Beta Quad, with no way to rejoin the TFO you were in. which gets you hit with the leavers penalty. Maybe adding a "Rejoin TFO" for this would be best.
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Anyone that would belittle this, really needs to get their head unstuck from the three points of contact.
Wait... no... that might be a bad idea. It might require them to visit a Proctologist and keep them from the game.
As I've said before, people who do this should be locked out from the RTFO bonus reward, account-wide.
No, I would suggest two features instead.
1) The ability to leave without penalty after one person leaves. This combined with the feature that if you change toons or disconnect (for more than say 2 minutes) then your toon gets removed from the queue and the rest can leave freely. Also make the penalty for leaving first (or pulling this stunt) account wide instead.
2) A 'summon reinforcement' feature. Yes I know that a lot of people don't like this idea as they think it'll mean they'll get pulled into queues with the optionals failed (the horror) or just general clusterfucks. While I can sympathize with at least the latter I'd suggest that maybe there's a time limit to how long into the TFO you can summon reinforcements. Like maybe after 5 minutes run time reinforcements are no longer possible?
Bonus suggestions) Give us a 'vote to abandon' feature.
I don't see how abandoning the STF before its completed gives people the random rewards...
Other times players just leave a TFO if they don't like. Some people avoid ground like a plague but I'm sure it happens to some space pves as well. Again, this was an intended feature that comes along with RNG.
Agree on this....and they're doing it because the system won't penalise them with a leaver penalty, probably because the instance hasn't started until the mission briefing 'time-slot' has expired.
That's not it. You can in fact get leaver penalty before you've even loaded the map. I'd expect you're on the hook as soon as you accept the queue start. They are avoiding the penalty by exploiting a bug in the system.
Also sounds like "reward DPS mentality and slap anyone who doesn't follow DE WEY OF DEEPS with punishment".
Not everyone can reach high DPS numbers, and its not because they don't want to. Its because of playstyle and not wanting to min/max cookie cutter builds. Calling for punishing people over their builds will not encourage players to get better, it will encourage Elitists to ramp up their discrimination against people who don't "measure up" to their standards.
And let me ask this... HOW would one of those players who "knows that the team is gonna F up" knows that before the mission even starts? You don't know what gear they're running. You don't know what damage type they're using. All you know is the ship. So are we gonna start discriminating against ships now too? "Oh you're flying this ship so YOU SUCK! I'm out." Is that how we're gonna treat the playerbase now?
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It's far more likely that people are quitting queues that they don't like.
And trying to use the "Miranda vs Fleet T6" doesn't exactly work because we have a T6 Miranda. There are two ways I can logically think of that would cause someone to die fast.
From my perspective, singling out people who die often won't solve anything, and will just encourage further discrimination based on percieved performance. There are too many variables to use number of deaths as a measuring stick. I'm a pretty good player. Hell... I've actually surprised some people with how durable I can be. But even I get killed from time to time. Some days it just feels like in one particular STF everything just decides its time for you to die and there's nothing you can do about it. The dreaded invisitorp in Infected comes to mind. Full hull, full shields... dead. One hit. Same goes for the Lances used by the Unimatrix ships in Hive Onlsaught. And then there's the instances where you're drawing so much aggro that you just can't keep up with the heals and they overwhelm you with sheer firepower. Is that the player's fault that they couldn't stay alive in that instance?
Now if this person comes INTO an STF with a crapton of injuries... then yea... punish them because they're already going in with a handicap. One or two could be a case of "I forgot I had those". But a full line of them? That's gotta be a Troll.
Increasing the Discrimination is not gonna help anyone. It will make people even LESS likely to actually ask for help than they are now.
The reason you survived is because you weren't drawing enough aggro off the DPSer to even attract the attention of the enemy. I once accidentially took my T2 Connie into an Infected Run with my fleetmates. The Borg NEVER even looked at me because I was not doing enough damage to get their attention. I literally went through that entire run without even getting shot at. You can do great with lower tier ships equipped with high tier gear. Its been proven by people who have actually done low tier Infected runs in the past. Hell... I think there was once talk of a SHUTTLE run at one point when it was still possible. Because people wanted a challenge.
I don't bail if the optionals fail. Yea I get a little frustrated, but I see it through to the end because I signed up for that STF. Unless it is physically impossible to continue, such as other people bailing out or it is bugged and you literally cannot continue... I stick it out. Hell... if I start getting badmouthed by someone... I stick around and fight while they get blasted for typing out insults at us for being "insert prefered insult here" and not being as awesome as Mr. Insult, who most of the time is actually not helping the team anyways.
I'm not in it ONLY for top reward. I'm in it to get something done. And sometimes... Coordination can make up for lack of individual output.
Do some people need to learn more? Yes.
Do they deserve to be punished? No.
Its knowing WHO to punish and who not to punish that is the problem here. You are correct. Your idea is unpopular. All it will do is foster an elitist attitude against people who aren't as well off gear wise. It will basically impose a "gear score" as a requirement, which can also adversly affect players with alts that aren't top tier. We're talking major investments just to meet a "MINIMUM" requirement.
Will it improve the STF experience? Probably through attrition. Only the veterans who have the gear will want to run them. All the new people? Nope. They won't want to be abused because they aren't "up to snuff" when they're TRYING to get up there in the first place.
But I also need to state that when a guy does it all, then dies, then draws aggro, dies again since the team isn't contributing, I think that if you carried them through ISA and they fail the optional at the 2nd transformer cause they've used a gravity well on it instead of using it on the nanite spheres, they do deserve to struggle with those borgs alone for ten minutes. (in ten minutes, you whether finish the ISA through damage grind, or you give up and leave).
The variety of trolls and scrubs is an interlaced double-pack. Most are both.
So we need to address this fair.