The black badges were always for S31, this was explicitly stated by the production staff, and the bonus scene was cut from the season finale so they could use it as a teaser later which they did.
Even if it was always intended to be part of Section 31, there is a huge difference between Section 31 being an active part of Starfleet and Section 31 personnel being on a ship that has ties to Section 31. It is just a matter of whether Section 31 installed some of their technology on the Discovery or if the Discovery is a Section 31 ship.
Also, I don't give much credence to what the Discovery production staff says due to their explanation for bald Klingons. It was originally that Klingons had heightened senses on the top of their head that are dulled by having hair. Now they are only bald for war. The heightened senses explanation makes sense while the bald for war explanation makes zero sense since Klingons are always at war.
> @brian334 said:
> My point is, S31 should not exist!
But it does, its canon, and nothing you or anyone else says will change that.
I know it is, and I am not trying to change it. I am lamenting it. To me it's sort of like discovering my dog has cancer. Nothing I can do about it, but it sucks all the same.
Large bureaucratic government? Yes, the United Federation of Planets is a government, by necessity large (over 100 worlds), with a military (Starfleet).
would they have a dirty tricks squad? logic says yes. Would it be sanctioned? sure, it would be. would it be secretive? absolutely. will it be subject to oversight?
Probably not. I mean, it may have a legal fiction of oversight, but it's doubtful that such a large entity would have response to the actions of such an organization in anything like a timely or constructive manner, especially since so much of real world espionage relies on methods like blackmail and compartmentalization. It's likely that "Section 31" does whatever they feel like doing, and are immune to normal oversight just because of the sheer scope and scale we're dealing with here. it's even possible they run 'illegal' domestic operations to guarantee that the elected government remains ignorant of their actual operations and pliant to the will of the agency, instead of the other way 'round.
Kind of like how the KGB really worked-technically supervised, technically supporting the whole of the nation, but in actuality the sword-and-shield of specific sponsors within the state.
So, you're saying man is not perfectible, that we will go to the stars never having learned our lesson here, and that life 300 years from now will suck just as hard as it does now.
I'm a child of the Flower Power generation. I think we can be better. I think we should be better. That was the dream of Trek. And, whoops! That dream got lost on the way to the laundry. Was all just a crazy old philanderer's musings anyway. Don't worry, won't miss it a bit.
I attribute the problem to a writing staff which was composed of people for whom speculative fiction was a dirty word. They lacked a concept of how a society could improve beyond the need to control the flight of every sparrow, and thus excluded it as a possibility.
Now, instead of hope for the future, we have... what? How is this better?
Now, instead of hope for the future, we have... what? How is this better?
You mean besides the fact that the Federation is still a utopian state where things like, food, water, clothing, housing, and jobs, are simply PROVIDED to everyone as basic rights even in Discovery?
Post scarcity economics and human social evolution are separate things. Egalitarian socialism is not new, by a few dozen centuries.
Large bureaucratic government? Yes, the United Federation of Planets is a government, by necessity large (over 100 worlds), with a military (Starfleet).
would they have a dirty tricks squad? logic says yes. Would it be sanctioned? sure, it would be. would it be secretive? absolutely. will it be subject to oversight?
Probably not. I mean, it may have a legal fiction of oversight, but it's doubtful that such a large entity would have response to the actions of such an organization in anything like a timely or constructive manner, especially since so much of real world espionage relies on methods like blackmail and compartmentalization. It's likely that "Section 31" does whatever they feel like doing, and are immune to normal oversight just because of the sheer scope and scale we're dealing with here. it's even possible they run 'illegal' domestic operations to guarantee that the elected government remains ignorant of their actual operations and pliant to the will of the agency, instead of the other way 'round.
Kind of like how the KGB really worked-technically supervised, technically supporting the whole of the nation, but in actuality the sword-and-shield of specific sponsors within the state.
So, you're saying man is not perfectible, that we will go to the stars never having learned our lesson here, and that life 300 years from now will suck just as hard as it does now.
I'm a child of the Flower Power generation. I think we can be better. I think we should be better. That was the dream of Trek. And, whoops! That dream got lost on the way to the laundry. Was all just a crazy old philanderer's musings anyway. Don't worry, won't miss it a bit.
I attribute the problem to a writing staff which was composed of people for whom speculative fiction was a dirty word. They lacked a concept of how a society could improve beyond the need to control the flight of every sparrow, and thus excluded it as a possibility.
Now, instead of hope for the future, we have... what? How is this better?
Section 31 was the creation of Ira Steven Behr who wanted to show the darkness within utopia. It is not that humanity finally evolved until they reached utopia, but the Federation have a secret organization that protects the utopia through underhanded methods. It basically amounts to that the only difference between us and the Federation is that they have replicators and Section 31 rather than Gene Roddenberry's belief that eventually we would evolve beyond our current problems.
It might be one of the reasons why The Orville is a better Star Trek series than Discovery. The Orville has that idealism that TOS and TNG had, but is almost nonexistent in Discovery. As far as we know, the Planetary Union doesn't have an organization like Section 31 that uses underhanded tactics to protect their utopia.
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I attribute the sudden increase in Klingon victories to the fact that Starfleet went from dealing with one enemy with one set of tactics to multiple enemies with multiple sets of tactics. Against a unified enemy, Starfleet could have held out longer, maybe even stonewalled them due to becoming more and more familiar with the tactics. But the sudden switch to different tactics and the war against a unified enemy turning into trying to hold back multiple rampaging mongol hordes... does make a difference.
Think of it this way... Lets take the US vs GLA from C&C Generals. The GLA is generally a unified faction. But you fracture them into different terrorist groups with different tactics... then tactics that worked against say... the Toxin using faction wouldn't necessarily work against the Stealth faction or the Demolitions faction.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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Once upon a time I tried to counter every misrepresentation and outright lie patrickngo posted about DSC. Then I realised the chain of evidence works backwards for him. It starts with 'conclusion' (to wit, DSC sucks) and is then followed by 'evidence' (i.e. whatever he can outright make up considering he wouldn't watch the show). Rather than starting with evidence and drawing a conclusion from that.
Then I gave up. You Tube has told him Burnham is a Mary Sue and that DSC is the worst thing to happen to Trek since the Kelvin Timeline (which was the worst thing since ENT, which was the worst thing since...) so any effort by the show to disprove random commentators on You Tube is carefully and outright ignored.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Retconning Trek to have more aliens on board the TOS Enterprise is not bad. It's just unnecessary. As was explained earlier, soft-canon/fanon has long held that the Intrepid example shows the various races making up a majority of the crew of any starship or station, and being human, our focus/interest is naturally on the human part of Starfleet.
I would love to see an Andorian Starfleet show from the TOS era or earlier. Maybe a contemporary of Shran's taking a young pinkskin under his wing and trying to teach him staship operations and tactics, (while learning about love, compassion, and concern for all the little creatures of the galaxy.) The Andorian crew would have someone who thinks humans are too undisciplined and weak to cut it, but he shows him up over time with his wit and ability to learn.
(Edit: he starts out wearing a parka, but over time acclimates and by the season's end only needs a hoodie!)
A Tellarite show from that same era and with the same premise might show the young protege of the Tellarite captain being reluctant to jump into the communal mudbath, reluctant to bunk with fifteen other officers in a single large berth, (which I headcanon as being the Tellarite style,) and timid in the evening arguments, (at first.) But over time, the Human will learn to appreciate non-intimate physical contact as a demonstration of camaraderie as he becomes a skilled explorer.
I think those shows would have a solid fanbase within a Trek anthology show. But setting them at or before TOS would allow the existing canon to go unaltered, while showing a trend to more and more mixed-race crews.
> @brian334 said: > But all of that is grist for another mill. > > Retconning Trek to have more aliens on board the TOS Enterprise is not bad. It's just unnecessary. As was explained earlier, soft-canon/fanon has long held that the Intrepid example shows the various races making up a majority of the crew of any starship or station, and being human, our focus/interest is naturally on the human part of Starfleet. > > I would love to see an Andorian Starfleet show from the TOS era or earlier. Maybe a contemporary of Shran's taking a young pinkskin under his wing and trying to teach him staship operations and tactics, (while learning about love, compassion, and concern for all the little creatures of the galaxy.) The Andorian crew would have someone who thinks humans are too undisciplined and weak to cut it, but he shows him up over time with his wit and ability to learn. > > (Edit: he starts out wearing a parka, but over time acclimates and by the season's end only needs a hoodie!) > > A Tellarite show from that same era and with the same premise might show the young protege of the Tellarite captain being reluctant to jump into the communal mudbath, reluctant to bunk with fifteen other officers in a single large berth, (which I headcanon as being the Tellarite style,) and timid in the evening arguments, (at first.) But over time, the Human will learn to appreciate non-intimate physical contact as a demonstration of camaraderie as he becomes a skilled explorer. > > I think those shows would have a solid fanbase within a Trek anthology show. But setting them at or before TOS would allow the existing canon to go unaltered, while showing a trend to more and more mixed-race crews.
Considering Andorian, Vulcans and other races still have their own ships and fleets, I always thought the reason Starfleet is mostly human is because Starfleet is predominantly an Earth organisation which allows other federation and even non-federation members to serve on their ships because equality but most people from any species would choose to work on a ship with their country own race which is why aliens seem rare in Starfleet.
In 'Inquisition', Sloane does refer to Section 31 as "another branch of Starfleet Intelligence", so that would track.
The main issue is that S31 seems to behave a bit like Cerberus in Mass Effect, as an independant entity that doesn't answer to anyone but themselves.
They may justify it as protecting the Federation, but if even HALF the things they've done gets out into the realm of Public Knowledge...
that's kinda how black ops intel works. They do answer to someone, but that someone is no more public than they are. Thus outsiders won't see them or their role.
> @brian334 said:
> But all of that is grist for another mill.
>
> Retconning Trek to have more aliens on board the TOS Enterprise is not bad. It's just unnecessary. As was explained earlier, soft-canon/fanon has long held that the Intrepid example shows the various races making up a majority of the crew of any starship or station, and being human, our focus/interest is naturally on the human part of Starfleet.
>
> I would love to see an Andorian Starfleet show from the TOS era or earlier. Maybe a contemporary of Shran's taking a young pinkskin under his wing and trying to teach him staship operations and tactics, (while learning about love, compassion, and concern for all the little creatures of the galaxy.) The Andorian crew would have someone who thinks humans are too undisciplined and weak to cut it, but he shows him up over time with his wit and ability to learn.
>
> (Edit: he starts out wearing a parka, but over time acclimates and by the season's end only needs a hoodie!)
>
> A Tellarite show from that same era and with the same premise might show the young protege of the Tellarite captain being reluctant to jump into the communal mudbath, reluctant to bunk with fifteen other officers in a single large berth, (which I headcanon as being the Tellarite style,) and timid in the evening arguments, (at first.) But over time, the Human will learn to appreciate non-intimate physical contact as a demonstration of camaraderie as he becomes a skilled explorer.
>
> I think those shows would have a solid fanbase within a Trek anthology show. But setting them at or before TOS would allow the existing canon to go unaltered, while showing a trend to more and more mixed-race crews.
Considering Andorian, Vulcans and other races still have their own ships and fleets, I always thought the reason Starfleet is mostly human is because Starfleet is predominantly an Earth organisation which allows other federation and even non-federation members to serve on their ships because equality but most people from any species would choose to work on a ship with their country own race which is why aliens seem rare in Starfleet.
I headcanon that as slow cross-pollination. In the Enterprise era they were separate and answered to their own governments. As they joined the Federation, some officers crossed the lines to see how the other guys do things. As time goes on into the TOS era, there are many such officers serving outside their own racial groups under the Federation umbrella. By the TNG era, crews still tend toward racial majorities primarily for environmental considerations, (humans would be uncomfortable on Andorian or Vulcan ships, and everybodywould be uncomfortable on Tellarite ships! (nudge nudge wink)
But by the time of Daniels, with miniaturization of environmental controls and improved understandings of other cultures, along with a liberal dose of literal cross-pollination, crews don't identify as one species or another, they identify as Federation.
But that's my headcanon, subject to naysayers and CBS fiat.
(...) and everybodywould be uncomfortable on Tellarite ships! (nudge nudge wink)(...)
... go on...
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
(...) and everybodywould be uncomfortable on Tellarite ships! (nudge nudge wink)(...)
... go on...
Too humid.
That's the only reason.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
It's honestly surprising how little...special interest... fanfiction involves Tellarites. Plenty of Borg, Klingons, Romulans, Trill, and Bajorans but no Tellarites.
I can't imagine why.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
The shaved heads during wartime was inspired by the story Kahless's clone told of the forging of the first bat'leth and since you have precisely zero proof that wasn't intended from day 1 the production staff has the credibility. Also Klingons are not always at war and never have been.
Klingon culture is focused around honor through combat. If they are not fighting aliens, then they are fighting themselves. If Klingons shaved their heads only during wartime, then they would have hair in the first couple of episodes before the war started. Yet we have T'Kuvma and the other Klingon leaders bald before the Battle at the Binary Star. So if the Klingons are bald during times of war, then they must have been at war before their war with the Federation.
The creators of Discovery wanted bald Klingons and tried to use the excuse of sensory organs on the head to explain their lack of hair. When that excuse failed miserably and due to the hairless Klingons controversy, they came up with the only bald during wartime excuse.
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Even if it was always intended to be part of Section 31, there is a huge difference between Section 31 being an active part of Starfleet and Section 31 personnel being on a ship that has ties to Section 31. It is just a matter of whether Section 31 installed some of their technology on the Discovery or if the Discovery is a Section 31 ship.
Also, I don't give much credence to what the Discovery production staff says due to their explanation for bald Klingons. It was originally that Klingons had heightened senses on the top of their head that are dulled by having hair. Now they are only bald for war. The heightened senses explanation makes sense while the bald for war explanation makes zero sense since Klingons are always at war.
I know it is, and I am not trying to change it. I am lamenting it. To me it's sort of like discovering my dog has cancer. Nothing I can do about it, but it sucks all the same.
So, you're saying man is not perfectible, that we will go to the stars never having learned our lesson here, and that life 300 years from now will suck just as hard as it does now.
I'm a child of the Flower Power generation. I think we can be better. I think we should be better. That was the dream of Trek. And, whoops! That dream got lost on the way to the laundry. Was all just a crazy old philanderer's musings anyway. Don't worry, won't miss it a bit.
I attribute the problem to a writing staff which was composed of people for whom speculative fiction was a dirty word. They lacked a concept of how a society could improve beyond the need to control the flight of every sparrow, and thus excluded it as a possibility.
Now, instead of hope for the future, we have... what? How is this better?
Post scarcity economics and human social evolution are separate things. Egalitarian socialism is not new, by a few dozen centuries.
Section 31 was the creation of Ira Steven Behr who wanted to show the darkness within utopia. It is not that humanity finally evolved until they reached utopia, but the Federation have a secret organization that protects the utopia through underhanded methods. It basically amounts to that the only difference between us and the Federation is that they have replicators and Section 31 rather than Gene Roddenberry's belief that eventually we would evolve beyond our current problems.
It might be one of the reasons why The Orville is a better Star Trek series than Discovery. The Orville has that idealism that TOS and TNG had, but is almost nonexistent in Discovery. As far as we know, the Planetary Union doesn't have an organization like Section 31 that uses underhanded tactics to protect their utopia.
Think of it this way... Lets take the US vs GLA from C&C Generals. The GLA is generally a unified faction. But you fracture them into different terrorist groups with different tactics... then tactics that worked against say... the Toxin using faction wouldn't necessarily work against the Stealth faction or the Demolitions faction.
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Then I gave up. You Tube has told him Burnham is a Mary Sue and that DSC is the worst thing to happen to Trek since the Kelvin Timeline (which was the worst thing since ENT, which was the worst thing since...) so any effort by the show to disprove random commentators on You Tube is carefully and outright ignored.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Retconning Trek to have more aliens on board the TOS Enterprise is not bad. It's just unnecessary. As was explained earlier, soft-canon/fanon has long held that the Intrepid example shows the various races making up a majority of the crew of any starship or station, and being human, our focus/interest is naturally on the human part of Starfleet.
I would love to see an Andorian Starfleet show from the TOS era or earlier. Maybe a contemporary of Shran's taking a young pinkskin under his wing and trying to teach him staship operations and tactics, (while learning about love, compassion, and concern for all the little creatures of the galaxy.) The Andorian crew would have someone who thinks humans are too undisciplined and weak to cut it, but he shows him up over time with his wit and ability to learn.
(Edit: he starts out wearing a parka, but over time acclimates and by the season's end only needs a hoodie!)
A Tellarite show from that same era and with the same premise might show the young protege of the Tellarite captain being reluctant to jump into the communal mudbath, reluctant to bunk with fifteen other officers in a single large berth, (which I headcanon as being the Tellarite style,) and timid in the evening arguments, (at first.) But over time, the Human will learn to appreciate non-intimate physical contact as a demonstration of camaraderie as he becomes a skilled explorer.
I think those shows would have a solid fanbase within a Trek anthology show. But setting them at or before TOS would allow the existing canon to go unaltered, while showing a trend to more and more mixed-race crews.
> But all of that is grist for another mill.
>
> Retconning Trek to have more aliens on board the TOS Enterprise is not bad. It's just unnecessary. As was explained earlier, soft-canon/fanon has long held that the Intrepid example shows the various races making up a majority of the crew of any starship or station, and being human, our focus/interest is naturally on the human part of Starfleet.
>
> I would love to see an Andorian Starfleet show from the TOS era or earlier. Maybe a contemporary of Shran's taking a young pinkskin under his wing and trying to teach him staship operations and tactics, (while learning about love, compassion, and concern for all the little creatures of the galaxy.) The Andorian crew would have someone who thinks humans are too undisciplined and weak to cut it, but he shows him up over time with his wit and ability to learn.
>
> (Edit: he starts out wearing a parka, but over time acclimates and by the season's end only needs a hoodie!)
>
> A Tellarite show from that same era and with the same premise might show the young protege of the Tellarite captain being reluctant to jump into the communal mudbath, reluctant to bunk with fifteen other officers in a single large berth, (which I headcanon as being the Tellarite style,) and timid in the evening arguments, (at first.) But over time, the Human will learn to appreciate non-intimate physical contact as a demonstration of camaraderie as he becomes a skilled explorer.
>
> I think those shows would have a solid fanbase within a Trek anthology show. But setting them at or before TOS would allow the existing canon to go unaltered, while showing a trend to more and more mixed-race crews.
Considering Andorian, Vulcans and other races still have their own ships and fleets, I always thought the reason Starfleet is mostly human is because Starfleet is predominantly an Earth organisation which allows other federation and even non-federation members to serve on their ships because equality but most people from any species would choose to work on a ship with their country own race which is why aliens seem rare in Starfleet.
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I headcanon that as slow cross-pollination. In the Enterprise era they were separate and answered to their own governments. As they joined the Federation, some officers crossed the lines to see how the other guys do things. As time goes on into the TOS era, there are many such officers serving outside their own racial groups under the Federation umbrella. By the TNG era, crews still tend toward racial majorities primarily for environmental considerations, (humans would be uncomfortable on Andorian or Vulcan ships, and everybodywould be uncomfortable on Tellarite ships! (nudge nudge wink)
But by the time of Daniels, with miniaturization of environmental controls and improved understandings of other cultures, along with a liberal dose of literal cross-pollination, crews don't identify as one species or another, they identify as Federation.
But that's my headcanon, subject to naysayers and CBS fiat.
... go on...
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Too humid.
That's the only reason.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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That's the title of my erotic fan-fiction 😏
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It's honestly surprising how little...special interest... fanfiction involves Tellarites. Plenty of Borg, Klingons, Romulans, Trill, and Bajorans but no Tellarites.
I can't imagine why.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Klingon culture is focused around honor through combat. If they are not fighting aliens, then they are fighting themselves. If Klingons shaved their heads only during wartime, then they would have hair in the first couple of episodes before the war started. Yet we have T'Kuvma and the other Klingon leaders bald before the Battle at the Binary Star. So if the Klingons are bald during times of war, then they must have been at war before their war with the Federation.
The creators of Discovery wanted bald Klingons and tried to use the excuse of sensory organs on the head to explain their lack of hair. When that excuse failed miserably and due to the hairless Klingons controversy, they came up with the only bald during wartime excuse.