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I just read the post on the homepage where STO is headed in 2019. It's just really sad. "Legendary" Discovery? That show is out for a year maybe, not liked by the lot of Trekkies and STO is heading full into that.
I bought a lifer subscription when it came out for mac. I let myself be trapped by the big mashine named "Cryptic" and loved the game till the mac version got canned. Since then I regreted that purchase a lot, but when I see how the game is developing (I don't know how much work goes into devving a game, but I can imagine a lot and especially that's why I would want to do it right conentwise) and where they are headed (not just contentwise) I must say, that if I hadn't stopped playing back then, when they dropped the mac version, I would stop playing now.
STO content was so good, interesting and diverse. And now it's just sad.
I'm curious what others think and if I'm really alone with this opinion.
I bought a lifer subscription when it came out for mac. I let myself be trapped by the big mashine named "Cryptic" and loved the game till the mac version got canned. Since then I regreted that purchase a lot, but when I see how the game is developing (I don't know how much work goes into devving a game, but I can imagine a lot and especially that's why I would want to do it right conentwise) and where they are headed (not just contentwise) I must say, that if I hadn't stopped playing back then, when they dropped the mac version, I would stop playing now.
STO content was so good, interesting and diverse. And now it's just sad.
I'm curious what others think and if I'm really alone with this opinion.
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I like Discovery a lot and think it is awesome that the Devs managed to react to such a recently released trek show with so much effort and dedication to bring it to life in game as well. After like 8 years of non-Discovery related content in game I don’t mind Discovery exclusive contend in game for the next year at all.
Actually I look forward to it big time on my MSI!
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Discovery is the currently airing show. There are currently a total of 2 missions in the game that are 'Discovery Themed,' there is also 1 Space Queue and a Tutorial.
Did people really think that was all? That 'Age of Discovery' was going to be 2 missions? Right now, Discovery has hardly any presence at all in STO.. obviously there is going to be more.
Besides, the road map is 6 months and everyone acts like the entire game is nothing but Discovery from here on out.
And for the record, people keep saying that most people don't like Discovery but most of the people I know like it (myself included.) I have a couple friends who haven't been online in years that came back to check out the Discovery stuff and I see a whole ton of Discovery Captains and ships flying about in game.
Everyone likes to pretend that their opinion is the majority and that if they don't like something then it's an 'obvious' failure. Rather you want to believe it or not, a lot of people like Discovery and are excited for the upcoming content.
I understand if you don't like it, I respect that opinion. But I also encourage you to at least try the new content before you decide you don't like it. I would also encourage you to give the 2nd season of Discovery a chance instead of condemning it before it even airs. I looks like Season 2 is a little more in the pace of what people are used to, but we'll see what happens.
Overall, it's only been 1 season and a couple missions in STO. It's a little early to decide that it's beyond redemption if you don't like it.
As an earlier poster said...theres 14 plus seasons of STO stuff. If u dont like TRIBBLE stuff you can avoid it. Anything that develops the game and brings revenue keeps the game alive for all. Its a good thing. Im looking forward to it all.
Only TRIBBLE thing i dont like in STO is the europa's 2 tac consoles which stopped me from buying it. I await the other TRIBBLE ships and game content eagerly.
And i don't like this prequel mania.
I also find weird to mix TNG, TOS, discovery all together in the same game.
Victory is life was good! With a nice story! Just...too few episodes! I would have preferred more VIL episodes instead of this discovery thing.
I mean...2 or 3 time travel episodes as a temporal agent during discovery age would be nice and funny. But having all the next year filled with discovery things...i am not happy about.
I would prefer to see Dukat back from the afterlife with Pah wraiths entering our dimension instead. (And the return of mirror leeta as well).
It's a case of shifting the goalposts in discussion so the same grievances, worries, and general complaints can be aired for the gratification of the author. I really, really don't think this is productive discourse. As a community, we have never vetted whether or not a given reference should be made in STO based on one's personal appraisal of the series or host episode. Is it Star Trek? Yes, it's in the title. Therefore, if Cryptic thinks they can do something fun with it, it goes in the game. See. Nimbus Three.
If the magnanimity of the community can include Final frontier, the Temporal Cold War, Talaxians, the Nexus, Fek'Ihri, the Voth (throwing this in there because I hate the Voth. Dyson battlezone is still my favorite place in the game though), a kitbashed Federation starship with markers glued on the saucer, and any amount of references to characters and episodes that, in retrospect, weren't particularly good (see. Wesley's snow suit, we've no less than reveled in the weaker points of Star Trek) then anything form DSC is fair game and Cryptic should spend as long as they want working through the material based on what they think will best service the game and its community (because it's their job as creators to make those decisions.) Ie. tell fun stories, go to cool places, and release interesting ships.
Don't like it? Tough, repeating a memetic dislike for Discovery (and I use the term "memetic" quite seriously) isn't going to somehow materialize into actionable feedback or ever outweigh population level feedback through player stats and market activity. That's not to say that the game is going to become about Discovery for the rest of its life. It's just to say that the call to exclude it form the game is artificial (no precedent, no immediate justification, it's just tribalism playing out across the internet.)
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Isn't the fact that with the inclusion of Discovery, the diversity has increased!? You comment about it being otherwise is unjust, as apart from about 5 episodes being removed for a touch-up, diversity has not decreased one bit! Whilst 2409 Feds, still have fewer unique episodes (bar Jemmies and Dsc toons), some people claim that all the episodes are Fed centric, which they are not as they are 'Alliance' centric.
I loved Dsc as I loved all other iterations of Star Trek. Be like me, be progressive. The fans don't decide what is canon! There's a Roddenberry on staff at Dsc, so that for me is enough.
And a point here, the show is about a magic spaceship that effectively ended the Klingon War because of said space magic. That sounds pretty damn legendary to me (the term is diegetic.)
It's also worth pointing out that the antipathy pointed by certain parts of the internet at DSC is effectively trying to exclude a creative work because of its diversity (no getting around this one) and because of its refusal to provide uncritical affirmation to a segment of the community instead of challenging story points, characters, and themes while reaching out to be a broader audience (which is more characteristics of broader reactions).
Basically, for being a Star Trek series in a modern context. "Not liked by a lot of Trekkies" I think is a wide presumption on at least two levels. Whether or not you identify with cited or other criticisms is one thing but it's worth not grouping the negative reactions to DSC as part of a single movement that still falls under our community umbrella (that just provides false weight and legitimacy to some quite frankly toxic behavior.)
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I'll be honest, though : i wasn't entirely satisfied with the AoD expansion. Sure, the idea of creating a new toon during the Discovery era sounded appealing on paper, but in the end, the actual Discovery content is little more than a rehearsal of the classic FED tutorial with a few changes (which I'm sure did require a substantial amount of work from our devs, mind you. Kudos to them still). Personally, I wanted more. And I also wanted specific DSC mission rewards instead of the few green items you're given, and that are tantamount to trashloot.
Let's be fair, though, we already know this is just a prelude to more DSC content, and I'm personally looking forward to it.
The Discovery reworking of the Fed tutorial in STO was excellent, and I like the new UI and space visuals created for it. I haven't had a chance to finish the new missions yet but I'm looking forward to playing them and the others.
Sure I'd love another 20 new TOS or KDF stories and I'm still waiting for the playable Horta race that Trendy promised us, but this is good new content.
Because it arrived when it did VIL got cut short, with at least two mission opportunities missing from between tenebris and the final fling.
Its arrival also seems to slapped a nail in the coffin for a klink civil war with jmpok the coward being all buddy buddy with martok, possibly because he was allowed out of his broom closet on DS9.
There was also a possible plotlines of the jem hadar gaining more freedom, finding a solution to needing ketracel to survive but they stamped on that with the idiot getting himself killed rather than a nasty cut in his arm. Same way they killed off the interesting character and possible story using the jem hadar in the son'a lockbox promo episode.
Potentially good story threads are starved because they're not fed enough (pun intended)
Don't people have better things to do?
Actually... I think we have an even bigger chance at a civil war thanks to J'Ula. Think about it. We have a 23rd Century Klingon from a time when the Federation and Empire were at war. She's clever and bold. Now she's in the 25th Century, and likely to learn than her house was wiped out years ago. That's going to make her mad. Not only that, there are probably a few modern Klingons, maybe even a house or two, that may want to restart the war with the Federation or even go after Jm'pok. Considering some of the Klingon War arc missions are being revamped... maybe B'Vat was an early supporter of J'Ula because he wants endless war against the Federation and was willing to even use a Planet Killer to do it.
Its entirely possible that we may see hints of J'Ula gaining support that early before we actually face her. I don't know. What I DO know is that J'Ula's arrival in the 25th Century could very well trigger a Klingon Civil War if she can rally like minded warriors to her cause, and revive House Mo'kai in the 25th Century.
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I hate Disco as much as any true Trekkie, but where do you expect the game to go? They have exhausted everything. Every series and film has been relentlessly mined for content. There's barely a single ship in the trek universe that isn't in the game. They are running out of ideas and it's obvious - there are only so many combinations of gear left. The queues are starting to seem exactly like other queues, etc.
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So about that V'ger...
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Of course, on the flip side - there is something in Star Trek that you absolutely hate and wish to forget? Chances are it's also somewhere in it - because what you don't like, someone else does, and he or she is excited to have it here.
Star Trek Online's only way forward will always be inclusion of all things officially Star Trek, never the exclusion of anything. It might not be part of your personal idea of Star Trek, but if it was officially a part of Star Trek canon, it will find its way.
And isn't inclusion and the union of many diverse ideas and preferences - infinite diversity and infinite combination - ultimately a very Star Trek concept? Well, it was mentioned and seemed a strong theme in Star Trek, but maybe it's not part of your personal Star Trek. That, too, might be okay - but it won't change STO's approach.
Of course, you can also probably be really certain that Discovery will not all there is to STO forever. Nothing that already exists is going away, and there will be new stuff, as well. And if that Picard series is really getting off the ground, they will almost certainly also fit that in, as well. (And it might be even more exciting how they'll fit in, since there is no guarantee that the writers of a CBS canon show will ensure "compatibility" to STO's timeline, even if they might ask for what the STO writers came up with.)
Well, the B'Ger Borg ships are in.
A slightly better example might be the whale probe.
Don't play the "True Fan" card. Please. We don't need any Crusaders "Defending the Faith" anymore. Its been done to death at least 3 times since I've been on the forums. Enterprise, Kelvin Timeline, and now Discovery. And will most likely be done with the next new Trek show, and the one after that, and the one after that...
Pattern's getting old frankly.
I consider myself a Trek Fan. And AS a Trek Fan... I don't instantly hate anything new on principle. I give it a chace to stand on its own merits, different visual style or not.
I wasn't a fan of the Kelvin Connie design at first either, then I saw her rise out of Titan and thought it was awesome.
I'm not exactly a fan of the Discovery style Klingons, but I'm giving them a chance to flesh that out, and as we see in the trailer for season 2, they have hair, which makes them look more Klingon.
If being a "True Fan" requires one to instantly hate on something new in the franchise we all love... then I'm proud to not be a "True Fan". I'll stick to my guns and give things a chance. I mean... IDIC anyone? Trek is Trek. Just because its not from the mind of Saint Roddenberry or isn't post Nemesis doesn't mean its any less Trek than what we already have. If people don't like it... they don't like it. Doesn't mean other people can't like it and still be called a Trek Fan. There is no requirement to like one thing and hate another to be a Trek Fan. Otherwise NONE of us will be Trek Fans except maybe the people who ONLY like TOS and maybe the first 2 seasons of TNG because Roddenberry had a direct hand in them, and therefor anything he DIDN'T have a hand in is non canon and ignored.
So PLEASE... no more "True Fan" arguments. All it causes is flame wars and rants about the virtues and/or sins of X series vs Y series.
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Discovery is Star Trek, get used to it, it is not going away.
Cheers, thanks, bye.
After watching TOS when it originally came out as a little kid I was quite convinced that TNG (and every series after that) wasn't going to be as good as the "real thing" and that I'd hate them all.
I actually think that having not one but soon two new series being live while playing STO is pretty cool. The game still allows me to hop onto a character from any era or faction with a wide variety of races and play the content I want on the OS I want so not sad at all.
To quote another -
The war with the Undine technically didn't end until Mindscape, when Tuvok convinced the Biodreadnaught that Undine Cooper was bad for Undine survival. Surface Tension was pretty much the end of the Fed-Klingon War. Captain Shon's willingness to sacrifice himself to save Qo'nos showed the Empire that there is honor in the Federation, just like when the Enterprise-C sacrificed herself for the Klingon Colony of Narendra III.
Midnight can be seen as one massive Predestination Paradox. Sela ensured Hobus would happen, allowing for the player to retrieve the World Heart. Just as L'Miren said in game, the player is The Other.
Ragnarok... ok that has a gubbin that ends it (Tox Uthat), but it was also the player's actions that would basically break a cycle.
There was no device that helped stop the Tzenkethi in Scylla and Charybdis. It was just the arrival of the Hur'q.
As for Home... again no magic device. From the player character's standpoint... it was The Alamo. And for all intents and purposes the player character got their head handed to them. Nothing the player did after beaming down to Empersa contributed to ending the Hur'Q conflict. It was the self sacrifice of Dukan'Rex, a Jem'Hadar who was a bit more open minded, that contributed to the ceasefire.
Have to call BS on this one, the DSC tutorial was not a texture reskin. The VO, environments, cutscenes, and mission objectives were all newly created. It played to the same story beats but this is not to be confused with a mission that was mechanically recycled. It was effectively rebuilt from scratch to tell the same story in a different setting as a creative choice. And taking Secrets as the other full mission, that's double what we usually get with a season launch with Starbase One filling the customary new queue. Add to that, two system revamps (random TFO's and the journal update), the mere fact of an alt starting experience (any added playable species options take a lot of time to code on the back end, we got three), and note that this is all launching in a release window that is customary for the first big update following an expansion. Did you expect that, against all precedent, ViL was just going to continue for extra seasons beyond the expansion? This arc started way back in season 12! It's high time to move on.
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