@ambassadorkael are FEDs able to pilot Romulan ships as well? I imagine that would be coming at some point right? Specially if romulan ships could be made account bound instead?
I'm gonna go ahead and say I'm against this. The admiralty cards will be nice, sure, but this only serves to completely tear down what was already a gauzy at best veil between the factions.
Now we got Feds wanting to fly high tier Romulan Ships just for their battlecloaks, faction uniqueness is all but dead in this game... next thing you know that Jem'hadar players will fly KDF, Feds and Rom Ships, while Fed and KDF players wanting to fly each other ships and Rom higher tier ships.
The alliance is sharing technology makes sense. So a Romulan can take command of a Starfleet or Klingon ship.
But a Starfleet Officer or a Klingon Captain, cannot take command of a Romulan ship.
So technology sharing in the Alliance only goes one way? Towards the Romulan's?
Romulans are a crippled race that is rebuilding their civilization after a major catastrophe. Romulan ships have to go into Romulan fleets because the Romulan Republic navy is underequipped. Think of it as a type of foreign aid.
I'm gonna go ahead and say I'm against this. The admiralty cards will be nice, sure, but this only serves to completely tear down what was already a gauzy at best veil between the factions.
How so??
I mean, theres a few decent ships in there that will be ok to fly like the Akira and Alita, but in the end, we still arent a full faction and we still serve our klingon and federation masters.. We'll never run a romulan mission. We'll never be romulans. e'll always be fed roms or kling roms.. Oh trust me, we dont like it either.. Never have.
Yeah, its gauzy.. What, youve never wanted to run something with a klingon friend??
Cardassians will have it worse. Lumped together with the jem Hadar, they're nothing but an also ran, Ridge necks in a federation jumpsuit..
Maybe its time for th gauze to go away..
well there went my good feelings about ViL and now I am rethinking getting the big pack. may not be playing long enough for me to get my money's worth. if I do get it it's gonna be the last thing I get for a very long time./
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It's a welcome change, so long as you can use faction bridges appropriate to your Fed/KDF ships as the adcopy suggests. Now.....could the tailor allow Rom toons to wear faction uniforms as well? Humans/Klingons/Romulans are the same size, no reason they cannot wear each other's uniforms.
I think this clearly a Prelude to what they have planned for the Jem'hadar faction, its no accident they did this with the Romulan faction NOW, its a test run for the Jem'hadar faction getting to use many of its allies T5 and T6 ships.
The alliance is sharing technology makes sense. So a Romulan can take command of a Starfleet or Klingon ship.
But a Starfleet Officer or a Klingon Captain, cannot take command of a Romulan ship.
So technology sharing in the Alliance only goes one way? Towards the Romulan's?
Romulans are a crippled race that is rebuilding their civilization after a major catastrophe. Romulan ships have to go into Romulan fleets because the Romulan Republic navy is underequipped. Think of it as a type of foreign aid.
That's why you give them Low-end Teir Ships, Not high-end Tier ships... Besides why would Starfleet or the KDF give away their best ships when they themselves needed it the most especially with all the constant conflicts they face throughout the game, besides didn't Starfleet & KDF give Rommies alot of obsolete low teir ships? that itself should be enough to stock up their puppet navy (sorry i still don't recognized the Fake Romulan Puppet Republic ^_^)... as for the end-game ships, Geko should have made more end-game ships for Rommies, instead of giving Rommies everything while the KDF and Starfleet don't even have access to Rommie Ships or their OP BOff's that can stack up and do massive amounts of damage +10% Crit & +25% Crti Dmg.
*crumples up that list of Cardassian Gul names he was working on*
Sea Gul, Gul'o Teene, Gul 'Ett, Gul D'Fingar, Gul Tii Sekret, St'ven C'Gul?
Legit laughed out loud on that one!
Don't let them promote you. Don't let them transfer you. Don't let them do anything that takes you off the bridge of that ship, because while you're there... you can make a difference.
-Captain James T. Kirk
Seeing as this change is to pave the way for Jem'hadar to also be able to fly their ally ships (i'd presume) there is absolutely no reason to restrict the base factions from the Romulan ships any more. I add my voice to the plea's to open them up to Feds and KDF warriors (even if only for Admiralty).
"One very important, timed clause has no come to fruition, and the Romulan Republic will gain access to Federation and Klingon technology!"
You might want to correct that typo, Ambassador!
And this one:
"The details of the negotiation... are slowly coming to life,..."
...the phrase is "coming to light"
To voice my support for the suggestion that Romulan captains be permitted to apply Romulan paint-schemes to their cross-faction starships (perhaps Cryptic could, whilst opening up the availability of cross-faction starships, keep the paint-schemes faction-exclusive?)
And to suggest that perhaps this development could be extrapolated upon, and lead the way to less faction-exclusivity when it comes to character species? Perhaps Cryptic might want to maintain current levels of species-based faction-exclusivity when it comes to a player's Captain, but maybe we could see a lessening of this with regard to non-player-character Bridge Officers?
While the UFP and the Empire may not be bosom buddies yet, the 5 years of the third Federation-Klingon War ended in an armistice when "Surface Tension" was added to the game on 4/22/2014 -- I assume this is summer-autumn of 2410 in-game, as "Cold Storage" (added 9/25/2010) indicated an in-game date of June, 2410. At some point before the events of Cold Storage (and well before the armistice ended the war), captains on both sides of the conflict became able to earn a cross-faction Bridge Officer (via the Diplomacy system that went live with Season 2 on 7/27/2010 -- less than 6 months after STO launched on 2/2/2010).
Now, with the in-game calendar (apparently) having yet to advance to 2411, the end of the war is still a recent event. Therefore, perhaps it is still a little early for the Empire to have a Human, Vulcan, or Tellarite captain commanding a bird-of-prey. But with the opportunity to earn a single cross-faction Bridge Officer having been a part of the game for 94% of its operational life (and, in-game, since the height of the third Federation-Klingon War), it seems to me not unreasonable that perhaps access to cross-faction Bridge Officers would be expanded, given the armistice that ended the war, and recent STO events being so focused on multi-factional cooperative actions (Task Force Omega, Dyson Joint Command, 8472 Counter-Command, Delta Alliance, Iconian Resistance, Terran Task Force, and the forthcoming Gamma Task Force, etc.).
Perhaps additional opportunities to earn cross-faction Bridge Officers could be tied to Tier-5 reputation projects (as we've already seen with the Borg Sci BOff Candidate from Tier 5 of Task Force Omega). Perhaps adding a cross-faction BOff project to Tier 5 of each and every existing Reputation would be a little too much, too soon. In that case, might I suggest a Tier-5 reputation project be added to the next, as-yet-unnamed Reputation (to follow Gamma Task Force) that would need to be completed in order to unlock cross-faction BOff projects in the other Reputations?
In this way, Cryptic would have time to implement such an addition, and players would have yet another goal to work toward (as quickly or as slowly as they wished).
I recognize that homogenization of the in-game factions is anathema to a significant number of players. Their wish to maintain certain levels of factional identity is understandable. That said, given the fact that a player's Bridge Officers are, in the course of play, rarely ever seen by anyone other than the player him/herself, the species diversity or lack thereof within a starship's Bridge Officer complement represents an almost-non-existent threat to any other player's sense of immersion in a traditional Star Trek setting.
Besides, the single cross-faction BOff we earn via Diplomacy is a common-quality BOff, meaning s/he often gets relegated to a starship interior decor function (at best) once a player has earned a full set of purple-quality BOffs. It would be nice to have a method of earning cross-faction BOffs of better quality.
*crumples up that list of Cardassian Gul names he was working on*
Sea Gul, Gul'o Teene, Gul 'Ett, Gul D'Fingar, Gul Tii Sekret, St'ven C'Gul?
Legit laughed out loud on that one!
Yeah, I'm regretting posting that one as I know someone will use it before I can - I already have a melee cat called Me'yow Nor'iss (I'm currently considering what other action stars would work, like Ar'Ny the cyborg and Raym'bo the gun toting crazy) XD
I might make a guy called Ferne Gul'y (points from the early 90s if you recognise that), or Gul Libal
It would be nice to have my Romulan to have the choice to use higher tiar ships for her faction it's nice to have a change of a ship every once and an while sense she is treated like a fed..however the only issue I would not like is the inabily to be able to lose my battle cloak . That's one thing I never liked about piloting a fed ship as a romulan the lack of an cloak..such a limition for a fed allied romulan is strange for them to be bound like a normal fed officer
I don't recall if this was actually mentioned before, but it seems obvious why Cryptic did this.
The Dominion/Jem'Hadar pseudo-faction will also (I speculate, as I don't recall reading it) have full access to faction ships of their ally as well, so it makes sense to add that same feature to the other pseudo-faction.
It'll be nice to have the Admiralty cards for the allied ships, but fly them? My Romulans are proud to BE Romulan, and wouldn't be caught dead in an allied ship (except possibly a D-7, because that's canon. Oh, wait, that one isn't allowed. At least the T5-U version is, so that's something).
More homogenization is bad! Diversity is good! Remember IDIC, Devs? Make the factions different, not similar.
^THIS!!! so much this!
Worst idea in a while.... I can sorta see this for the Jem'hadar mini-fraction upcoming but this is just stupid.
Who makes a Romulan/Reman so they can fly a Gal-X or Oddy or whatever? I doubt even the min/maxer DPSers will do that for the SRO bonuses but its possible.
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honestly this stinks of 'now we can make even fewer 3 packs cause they can fly allied ships!!' sure they promise to keep making more but they don't say at the same rate, bet it will be like event or anniversary ships... 1-2 new Romulan ships per year with a side dish of 'And you'll like it!'
I don't recall if this was actually mentioned before, but it seems obvious why Cryptic did this.
The Dominion/Jem'Hadar pseudo-faction will also (I speculate, as I don't recall reading it) have full access to faction ships of their ally as well, so it makes sense to add that same feature to the other pseudo-faction.
Yea... this is probably the reasoning behind it. There's just too many specialist ships to go back and make Dominion variants ON TOP of what's already there. And that's not even considering the non specialist ships that were in the cross faction bundles. Otherwise they'd need to make Jem'Hadar counterparts for the Command Battlecruisers, the Intel ships, the Pilot Escorts, the Miracle Worker ships, the Flight Deck Assault Cruisers, the Tactical Escorts...
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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Huh, check out those overreactions. (I'll honestly never understand getting that worked up over a game)
Personally.... yeah, it's nice for the Admiralty cards. My Fed/Rom will keep flying her Adapted BC. But this does give a couple more options for my KDF/Rom. (I haven't bought many Rom ships at all, because most of my characters are fed or kdf. Actually, I think the only top-end Rom ships I have are due to buying cross-faction 3packs.)
So basically other than for a handful of ships, why even play anyone else except Romulans for crit stacking?
Because not everyone picks their stuff by min-maxing? (and no, I'm not just talking about RP'ers)
Huh, check out those overreactions. (I'll honestly never understand getting that worked up over a game)
Personally.... yeah, it's nice for the Admiralty cards. My Fed/Rom will keep flying her Adapted BC. But this does give a couple more options for my KDF/Rom. (I haven't bought many Rom ships at all, because most of my characters are fed or kdf. Actually, I think the only top-end Rom ships I have are due to buying cross-faction 3packs.)
So basically other than for a handful of ships, why even play anyone else except Romulans for crit stacking?
Because not everyone picks their stuff by min-maxing? (and no, I'm not just talking about RP'ers)
Why do you think the game has a overwhelming amount of Tac players? Because most people care about min/maxing.
Half of created characters are Tac, that number would be even bigger if people knew how the game was going to turn out in advance.
Basically now, playing anything other than Romulan Tac = inferior.
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Resolute aka Advanced Heavy Cruiser (T6) is not on the excluded ships. That means it's avaiable.
Romulans are a crippled race that is rebuilding their civilization after a major catastrophe. Romulan ships have to go into Romulan fleets because the Romulan Republic navy is underequipped. Think of it as a type of foreign aid.
I mean, theres a few decent ships in there that will be ok to fly like the Akira and Alita, but in the end, we still arent a full faction and we still serve our klingon and federation masters.. We'll never run a romulan mission. We'll never be romulans. e'll always be fed roms or kling roms.. Oh trust me, we dont like it either.. Never have.
Yeah, its gauzy.. What, youve never wanted to run something with a klingon friend??
Cardassians will have it worse. Lumped together with the jem Hadar, they're nothing but an also ran, Ridge necks in a federation jumpsuit..
Maybe its time for th gauze to go away..
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
That's why you give them Low-end Teir Ships, Not high-end Tier ships... Besides why would Starfleet or the KDF give away their best ships when they themselves needed it the most especially with all the constant conflicts they face throughout the game, besides didn't Starfleet & KDF give Rommies alot of obsolete low teir ships? that itself should be enough to stock up their puppet navy (sorry i still don't recognized the Fake Romulan Puppet Republic ^_^)... as for the end-game ships, Geko should have made more end-game ships for Rommies, instead of giving Rommies everything while the KDF and Starfleet don't even have access to Rommie Ships or their OP BOff's that can stack up and do massive amounts of damage +10% Crit & +25% Crti Dmg.
Legit laughed out loud on that one!
Don't let them promote you. Don't let them transfer you. Don't let them do anything that takes you off the bridge of that ship, because while you're there... you can make a difference.
-Captain James T. Kirk
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And this one:
...the phrase is "coming to light"
To voice my support for the suggestion that Romulan captains be permitted to apply Romulan paint-schemes to their cross-faction starships (perhaps Cryptic could, whilst opening up the availability of cross-faction starships, keep the paint-schemes faction-exclusive?)
And to suggest that perhaps this development could be extrapolated upon, and lead the way to less faction-exclusivity when it comes to character species? Perhaps Cryptic might want to maintain current levels of species-based faction-exclusivity when it comes to a player's Captain, but maybe we could see a lessening of this with regard to non-player-character Bridge Officers?
While the UFP and the Empire may not be bosom buddies yet, the 5 years of the third Federation-Klingon War ended in an armistice when "Surface Tension" was added to the game on 4/22/2014 -- I assume this is summer-autumn of 2410 in-game, as "Cold Storage" (added 9/25/2010) indicated an in-game date of June, 2410. At some point before the events of Cold Storage (and well before the armistice ended the war), captains on both sides of the conflict became able to earn a cross-faction Bridge Officer (via the Diplomacy system that went live with Season 2 on 7/27/2010 -- less than 6 months after STO launched on 2/2/2010).
Now, with the in-game calendar (apparently) having yet to advance to 2411, the end of the war is still a recent event. Therefore, perhaps it is still a little early for the Empire to have a Human, Vulcan, or Tellarite captain commanding a bird-of-prey. But with the opportunity to earn a single cross-faction Bridge Officer having been a part of the game for 94% of its operational life (and, in-game, since the height of the third Federation-Klingon War), it seems to me not unreasonable that perhaps access to cross-faction Bridge Officers would be expanded, given the armistice that ended the war, and recent STO events being so focused on multi-factional cooperative actions (Task Force Omega, Dyson Joint Command, 8472 Counter-Command, Delta Alliance, Iconian Resistance, Terran Task Force, and the forthcoming Gamma Task Force, etc.).
Perhaps additional opportunities to earn cross-faction Bridge Officers could be tied to Tier-5 reputation projects (as we've already seen with the Borg Sci BOff Candidate from Tier 5 of Task Force Omega). Perhaps adding a cross-faction BOff project to Tier 5 of each and every existing Reputation would be a little too much, too soon. In that case, might I suggest a Tier-5 reputation project be added to the next, as-yet-unnamed Reputation (to follow Gamma Task Force) that would need to be completed in order to unlock cross-faction BOff projects in the other Reputations?
In this way, Cryptic would have time to implement such an addition, and players would have yet another goal to work toward (as quickly or as slowly as they wished).
I recognize that homogenization of the in-game factions is anathema to a significant number of players. Their wish to maintain certain levels of factional identity is understandable. That said, given the fact that a player's Bridge Officers are, in the course of play, rarely ever seen by anyone other than the player him/herself, the species diversity or lack thereof within a starship's Bridge Officer complement represents an almost-non-existent threat to any other player's sense of immersion in a traditional Star Trek setting.
Besides, the single cross-faction BOff we earn via Diplomacy is a common-quality BOff, meaning s/he often gets relegated to a starship interior decor function (at best) once a player has earned a full set of purple-quality BOffs.
--Chris
Yeah, I'm regretting posting that one as I know someone will use it before I can - I already have a melee cat called Me'yow Nor'iss (I'm currently considering what other action stars would work, like Ar'Ny the cyborg and Raym'bo the gun toting crazy) XD
I might make a guy called Ferne Gul'y (points from the early 90s if you recognise that), or Gul Libal
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The Dominion/Jem'Hadar pseudo-faction will also (I speculate, as I don't recall reading it) have full access to faction ships of their ally as well, so it makes sense to add that same feature to the other pseudo-faction.
^THIS!!! so much this!
Worst idea in a while.... I can sorta see this for the Jem'hadar mini-fraction upcoming but this is just stupid.
Who makes a Romulan/Reman so they can fly a Gal-X or Oddy or whatever? I doubt even the min/maxer DPSers will do that for the SRO bonuses but its possible.
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honestly this stinks of 'now we can make even fewer 3 packs cause they can fly allied ships!!' sure they promise to keep making more but they don't say at the same rate, bet it will be like event or anniversary ships... 1-2 new Romulan ships per year with a side dish of 'And you'll like it!'
Stop new content until quality returns
Yea... this is probably the reasoning behind it. There's just too many specialist ships to go back and make Dominion variants ON TOP of what's already there. And that's not even considering the non specialist ships that were in the cross faction bundles. Otherwise they'd need to make Jem'Hadar counterparts for the Command Battlecruisers, the Intel ships, the Pilot Escorts, the Miracle Worker ships, the Flight Deck Assault Cruisers, the Tactical Escorts...
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This announcement didn't surprise me at all.
It was expected.
Some way, somehow.
I hope a new faction (the Borg Collective has and always will be the best option) is implemented before things get too stale.
RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
There isn't going to be any diversity if they keep taking the easy way out...
A.K.A. There will never be diversity and the game will be getting more stale than ever.
Personally.... yeah, it's nice for the Admiralty cards. My Fed/Rom will keep flying her Adapted BC. But this does give a couple more options for my KDF/Rom. (I haven't bought many Rom ships at all, because most of my characters are fed or kdf. Actually, I think the only top-end Rom ships I have are due to buying cross-faction 3packs.)
Because not everyone picks their stuff by min-maxing? (and no, I'm not just talking about RP'ers)
Why do you think the game has a overwhelming amount of Tac players? Because most people care about min/maxing.
Half of created characters are Tac, that number would be even bigger if people knew how the game was going to turn out in advance.
Basically now, playing anything other than Romulan Tac = inferior.