The doctor is more than a projection he is a computer program containing a massive amount of medical knowledge as well as programs to analyse and treat paitents.
the holograms in dis are just projections of real people and dont interact with the enviroment of the ship they project on no require any extra work carrying the programs that make up the doctor all they need to do is project a image.
Well, the projection portion of The Doctor is, as said, only a part of his entire being. To use a contemporary analogy, The Doctor that we see is the User Interface portion of an Operating System. The rest of him is contained not inside the UI itself, but within the computer's memory, and later, transferable to the mobile emitter.
To again use a contemporary analogy, holographic comm tech is basically video conferencing. You can't truly interact other than audio and video.
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Things I want in STO:
1) More character customization options such as more clothing options, letting the toon complexion affect the entire body, not just the head. Also a true RGB color picker applied to all costume and appearance options, which would allow for true appearance customization and homogenous colors instead of "this same exact color looks vastly different on two different pieces."
2) Bridge customization, not bridge packs. Let us pick a general layout and adjust the color palette, console appearance, and chair types, as well as more ready room layout options.
3) Customizable ground weapons, i.e. The aesthetic look of phaser dual pistols but they shoot antiproton bolts. For obvious reasons this would only apply to standard ground weapons.
4) For the love of Q please revamp Plasma Ground Weapons. They look like demented Supersoakers right now.
5) True Vanity Impulse and Deflector effects similar to Vanity Shields.
6) A greater payout for hitting T6 Reputations. Currently it takes more time and resources to get from T5 to T6 than it does to get from nothing to T5. Make that grind really pay out at the end.
7) Mirrorverse Refugee event similar to AoY/Delta/Gamma, complete with new Mirrorverse recruits for all factions.
8) Independent Faction, because yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me!
No, your entire premise of what Burnham's character arc was meant to be is wrong. The character arc was, from the beginning, "you can't compromise the ideals of the Federation, because that's wrong, and just makes things worse". Burnham didn't listen to her captain, and tried to use violence to solve a problem, when both of these are counter to what the Federation stands for, and both of which just made the problem slightly worse. And we see at the end of S1 that she has learned this, when she stops the Federation from violating its own principals to win the war, and we see this in S2 when she follows Pike's orders on Terralysium despite disagreeing with them.
Nothing you wrote makes sense. At all.
She had no choice but to compromise the ideals of the Federation. The writers wrote her into a corner. Sarek told her that Klingons would not take her seriously until she started shooting them. There was no choice for the character, hence no issue to overcome.
The only choice she had was to shoot or not shoot T'Kuvma. That was the decision she had. She chose to murder him. The consequences are on her head. THAT was the mistake she needed to make up for. The audience knows she had no choice in her mutiny because Giorgio did not trust her and because Starfleet Command is stupid.
Neither the crewman allowing Burnham to save him, or Phillipa being a relatable person of circumstance, fit in with what was already established about the Mirror Universe in past Trek shows.
So no one, in any episode of Star Trek ever was sympathetic or likable in the Mirror Universe? Not one character? I think you need to rewatch some of them.
When a character is given an opportunity for redemption, it should be difficult. Overcoming challenges is how characters grow. The Mirror universe was a wasted opportunity. We get Empress Saru-breath and Captain Lorca-Trump.
Using the "they are massing a fleet on our borders!" argument only works if you have some evidence that they were, and the Federation was not. The whole point of sabotaging the Federation relay was to lure Federation ships out there so he COULD do that.
Right. Exactly. We are on the same page here. The whole "muh culture" was unnecessary filler.
Also, your comparison between the Federation and Orions is a misrepresentation. The Orions aren't part of a giant galactic government that is constantly going around and making the races they encounter more like them, the Federation is. Apples and oranges.
You can clearly see other humans and aliens wandering around the Qo'nos fleamarket. The fact that humans can wander around it during a time of war without upsetting the populace clearly indicates that this is a common event. Having humas, on Qo'nos, selling Levi's jeans and promoting rock music is normal, apparently.
The Klingons, and Kol, had heard of Discovery, and knew it contained some great power. They wanted to know what it was. Kol even mentions "Discovery's fabled power" during the events at Pavho, showing it had becomes fairly legendary.
What does that have to do with setting up a diplomatic mission? Why did Kol want Sarek to show up in the first place, especially since Discovery was not involved until a coincidence? It makes no sense.
Regardless of if he had been made chief of security or not, getting him onto the ship would have helped him learn what Discovery's power was, which could then be relayed back to the Klingon Empire so they could defeat it.
None of this was established. This is your headcannon. What is worse, "how is L'rell going tell Tyler the 'sekaret wordz' to make him into Voq?" is not established either. The entire plotline is dumb and pointless.
You are also wrong in that they didn't give Tyler a checkup, they explicitly mention they did, and just assumed all the scars on his body were from months of Klingon torture. Its also stated that he underwent DNA resequencing to make him appear human on a genetic level.
Yet, later on, Culber does a "real" exam and shows Tyler/Voq that he has "underwent extensive surgery" and that "he does not think Tyler is human". So, why did they wait so long to do a "real" exam? My guess is forced drama.
Its mentioned that the Klingons have spent the last 100+ years locked in their own civil war, and have only sent out a few raiding parties in that time. Not to mention, the Klingon Empire was, at the time, located at the far end of Federation space, in a very remote area compared to the Federation's core systems. They are basically on the other side of the U.S. during the wagon train days while the Federation was the East Coast. There was little in the way of contact by either side, and the Klingons weren't considered "close" to the Federation.
They murdered lots of vulcans Sarek points this out. You'd think that the Vulcans would have mentioned this at some point.
And the Federation wouldn't tell anyone to shoot someone in the face as that is fundamentally counter to literally everything the Federation as a whole stands for
UNLESS YOU HAVE A REASON. The Federation does not stand by and get murdered; it defends itself. The Federation is made up of dozens, if not hundreds of different cultures. If it is culturally established that you greet someone by hitting them in the face with a baseball bat, YOU HIT THEM IN THE FACE WITH A BASEBALL BAT. We have seen several episodes of Star Trek where our heroes have to conform to strange local customs. This is no different. ESPECIALLY given the context that "not shooting first" results in MORE DEATH.
Again, this is previously established Federation standard operation procedure. If there is ANY chance, no matter how slim, of peace, the Federation will take it... because that is who they are. Also Kol isn't T'Kuvma, they can't say "well T'Kuvma did X, so clearly Kol will do the same"
The point here was to establish that "Klingons are tricksy and cannot be trusted". Also "Klingons are wasteful and stupid". I have no issue with Starfleet attempting diplomacy during the battle.
It is pretty well established in Trek that the loss of a species homeworld results in the near instant death/extinction of their species/government. This happened with the T'Kon, the Mudd Andorid's "makers", the Romulans in STO and the upcoming Picard show, and in the Mirror Universe with the Mirror Klingons. It's also been implied to be the future of the Federation should Earth ever be destroyed. It's a fairly established Trek trope that loss of the homeworld = your species is dead/gives up.
Tell that to the Krenim. And Nero. I'm sure I could find other examples of "lost homeworld leads to crazed revenge" in Star Trek.
Since we have no idea how the Klingons destroy the atmosphere of entire worlds, it seems incredibly foolish to presume that taking out Qo'nos will not push the Klingons into murdering the homeworlds of the Federation.
Discovery makes holographic technology too prevalent since it seems like everyone has it. Burnham used it as a mirror while it required the Doctor in Voyager to get 29th Century technology to be able to leave Sickbay or the Holodeck. So a 23rd Century Starfleet Officer has a personal holoprojector in her room while a 24th Century ship only has holoprojectors in Sickbay and the Holodeck.
This really isn't a valid comaprison becuase all of the holograms we have seen in Disco aren't solid.
TNG, DS9, and VOY era holograms do have the ability to be solid, and have collision, suggesting a far greater advancement of the tech then in Discovery.
How is it not a valid comparison? Discovery had non-solid holoprojectors everywhere while TNG, DS9, and Voyager only had solid holoprojectors in one sickbay and the Holodeck. The only non-solid holoprojectors in the 24th Century was in DS9 with the holo-communicator. So it should be even easier to let the Doctor explore Voyager with 23rd Century technology. Have solid holoprojectors for Sickbay and the Holodeck and non-solid holoprojectors for everywhere else. The Doctor would be able to visit every location in Voyager and talk to everyone on Voyager, but he would be intangible when not in Sickbay or the Holodeck.
Solid holoprojectors require a forcefield generator so it would be a luxury item compared to non-solid holoprojectors. So there is good reason why solid holoprojectors would be limited to sickbay and the holodeck, but there is no good reason why Starfleet forgot that non-solid holoprojectors existed for a century. Especially when non-solid holoprojectors were so common that Burnham had one in her quarters in the 23rd Century.
The doctor is more than a projection he is a computer program containing a massive amount of medical knowledge as well as programs to analyse and treat paitents.
the holograms in dis are just projections of real people and dont interact with the enviroment of the ship they project on no require any extra work carrying the programs that make up the doctor all they need to do is project a image.
I believe this is the correct explanation, and comparison. really the ranting about Holographic tech in Discovery is off-the-mark. there are better things to complain about, like the Pseudoscience behind the spore drive, horizontal gene transfer between species that didn't even evolve in similar, much less the same, environments, bad writing, bad acting, bad direction, dim lighting, dim writing...but holographic comms and displays? That's kinda silly to be arguing about.
It is not the holographic comms and displays that are the problem, but how common they are in Discovery. If Burnham could use a holoprojector as a mirror in her quarters in the 23rd Century, then anyone in the 24th Century should be able to do the same instead of having to go to the holodeck. There is no reason why every holoprojector in the 24th Century has to use forcefields to create solid holograms.
Except she had EVERY choice. Nothing MADE her disobey her captain and try to shoot at the Klingons but herself. Her job isn't to listen to what Sarek says, but to listen to her captain, and maintain the ideals of the Federation. Period. No one, and nothing, MADE her do anything she did besides herself.
The audience does not care about Burnham's job. We (and the Federation) are more concerned with the lives of her and her crewmates. The writers portrayed Giorgio as stubborn and she refused to listen to Burnham. With the information from Sarek, we know bad things will happen if Burnham does not act. The character had no choice but to mutiny or the crew would face dire consequences. This is why most of the audience is sympathetic to Burnham; especially since T'Kuvma is looking for an excuse to murder someone.
What she did not have to do is murder T'Kuvma. There was no reason for her to do that other than petty revenge. As a result, thousands of intelligent beings died. That is her crime, and that is what she needed to atone for.
No, even in DS9 when the Terrans had been enslaved all they were doing was trying to defeat the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance so they could reform their Empire and re-enslave those species. They literally never learn anything at all, and the entire universe is just full of stupid evil idiots. Even Mirror Spock is an idiot, despite being the most rational person we have seen in the MU, because he so terribly mismanaged the Terran Empire's reform that it led to the utter collapse and enslavement of the Empire, and the Enslavement of Terrans, which just caused the cycle to loop back around making everything he did pointless.
Idiot or not, Mirror Spock was sympathetic and relatable. So was Mirror Miles O'Brian. Sympathetic characters have existed and could be written again. So, you are wrong. By your own admission.
I disagree. As Archer's Klingon lawyer Kolos mentions in Enterprise, the Klingon culture had been massively decaying ever since the warrior caste seized control of the Empire in his lifetime, and started corrupting the Klingon idea of honor into "mindless violence and battle". We see the end result of this in Discovery, where Klingon society has so decayed into mindless violence that they are a step away form destroying each other entirely.
Shifting the focus of said violence onto the Federation stops the immediate problem of them destroying each other, but it doesn't do anything to solve the underlying problem of WHY it happened in the first place, which is to say, the cultural decay. T'Kuvma coming in with his ancient ship, and ancient uniforms, and ancient customs, and saying both "Hey remember when our culture didn't suck TRIBBLE!" and "These Federation dogs are trying to take our culture away" can help shift the Klingon people back into a less self destructive cultural state.
You need both to fix the Klingon's problems, and both should exist in the story because of it.
None of this happens onscreen in Discovery. This is your headcanon, again.
T'Kuvma uses "muh culture" to rally the Klingons (who are looking for an excuse to murder anyway) but they only believe him when they see loads of Federation ships warp in. As I said, they could have just started with "look at all those Feddy bears! Git 'em!", especially since they seem totally indifferent to the non-Klingons wandering around Qo'nos. "Remain Klingon" (except for cheap Orion goods. Don't want to upset Space Walmart).
Or it is just one of the many human looking alien species in the Trek universe, of which there are like over a hundred.
You cut the part out where the shoppers in the fleamarket did not bat an eye at the obvious humans wandering around. How selective are the Klingons going to be about "Remain Klingon"? Just anti-human, vulcan, tellerite, and andorian, but those orions and dozens of human looking aliens are fine. THOSE aliens are not a threat to our culture, but those OTHER aliens are because... reasons? The "muh culture" reason is stupid. Just as stupid as "the only way to make a Klingon respect you is to shoot him".
Because if you set up a diplomatic mission you can then capture the diplomat, and given the severity of the Klingon War in the Federation, they are likely to send their most valuable and best diplomat, and if you can capture them it gives you a lot of leverage to demand things from them, such as the information on the Discovery.
The Klingons do not respect traditional diplomacy, remember? They don't respect you if you don't shoot them first. Kol was winning. There is no reason for the murdering Klingons to call for a sham diplomatic meeting just to capture a diplomat. There is no logical reason for the Klingons to take Sarek hostage. The Federation is not going to give the Klingons valuable military information for a diplomat. There is nothing the Klingons can reasonably expect the Federation to give them that they cannot take by force.
It's literally the whole point of the plot, and clearly established... go rewatch season 1, or just watch it the first time since its clear you didn't.
So, you cannot answer my questions. That's fine. The show cannot either.
Voq has no purpose on Discovery. Tyler does. He is the chief of security. Voq does not. His mission cannot begin until he receives the magic passphrase. Whatever plan the Klingons had seems to be "we'll send Voq with Lorca and then goto the pub for a pint" because nothing that happens to Tyler/Voq after he leaved the D7 could reasonably be called a plan. It is a series of amazing coincidences that results in Culber's death. It's stupit from point "A" to "B".
As for L'rell getting him the word, did you forget she tried to use Cornwell to defect? Her original plan was to use the Diplomat Kol would capture to escape and claim asylum in the Federation Once there, she could easily demand to see Ash before giving up any info(since its already been established she has a fondness for Ash) and then give him the code word that way.
No, it is not that simple.
Her plan was to claim asylum with the diplomat Kol did not need in the first place, then somehow her status as what... a Klingon who does not like Klingons would get her special privileges? What could she possibly offer to the Federation for said privileges? Also, Discovery is a super, hush hush, secret weapon. What moron at Starfleet Command would let a duplicitous reptile-bird Klingon near the Discovery?
... actually, don't answer that. You know, this dumb plan might actually work, since Starfleet Command probably gets high on solvents. Considering the low IQ of everyone involved, I may have to revise my thoughts on how feasible this plan is. It is still incredibly stupid.
Incorrect. Culber says he did a Chondroblast-cell scan and discovered inconsistency in Ash's biology, that when combined with the various other things, led him to believe Ash wasn't human. Its akin to doing a bone marrow draw and finding out that way. It's a highly specialized medical procedure not part of any standard battery of x-rays and disease checks.
So... they finally do a "real" exam and find out that Tyler is not human. So... why didn't they do this the first time? Not answering the question here.
Yeah, and Sarek points out this was when Vulcans and Klingons made first contact, which was well over 100 years ago at this point, and basically no one has seen the Klingons in over 100 years, so its not relevant information.
Lots of vulcans dying... not relevant information...
What? What kind of bureaucratic TRIBBLE-up "misplaces" a race of murderers? Also, records in the Federation only go back 99 years or something? You mean to tell me that there are no records anywhere that you could look up on the Shenzou? That there were no records at Starfleet Command? When the Klingons showed up, no one looked at the available data and said "hey, the only way to deal with these guys is to shoot them in the face".
Nonsense. Especially since the Space Illuminati make it their personal mission to identify and observe potential threats to the Federation. This entire situation is stupid. I find it incredibly hard to believe that the Federation would just say "Hey, every time someone meets the Klingons, the Klingons murder them. Oh, well. That was 100 years ago. We don't need to observe what is going on outside our borders or keep an eye on our neighbors. We are too busy exploring! Um, that way."
The Federation only adapts to strange customs if they are non-violent. Kirk, Picard, Janeway, Archer, all of them have refused to participate in such actions, and Archer only did it once he found a loophole that allowed him to avoid killing Shran. The Federation does not tolerate, or capitulate, to acts of violence that like.
Except when the alternative is MORE DEATH. You caught that part, right? "Needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one."
The Federation is capable of grasping cultural differences. We know this. If the alternative is death, our heroes adapt as best they can. We expect them to. If your writers write stupid things like "you have to shoot a Klingon in the face to get his respect", then the audience expects our heroes to adapt to that. If the writers give the characters no choice, we accept this as well. Burnham had no choice, and we, as the audience, accept that. The blame lies with T'Kuvma (who wanted the war) and with Starfleet Command (who are just stupid).
How are Klingons either wasteful or stupid? They are pretty damn good at killing, and use every workable method in the books to achieve it.
They created a cloaking device. Then used it to ram another ship. Then both ships explode. That is stupid and wasteful. It really cements the idea of "Klingorcs" in your mind.
The Krenim never lost their homeworld. Annorax lost his wife, who lived on a small remote colony world. As for Nero, he was one guy, with a Borgified ship, sent back in time when he should be unstoppable compared to modern tech, and he still lost.
Annorax used one ship to devastate their opponents and had no support doing it. Nero destroyed Vulcan and almost destroyed Earth.
As I said, we do not know how the Klingons destroy atmospheres. The Klingon fleet was already in orbit over Earth. It was incredibly stupid to threaten Qo'nos. If the Klingons lost their homeworld, Earth would have suffered greatly up to being rendered uninhabitable. Starfleet Command is stupid.
Funny thing to note, most of Discoveries bridge crew is played by Canadians. Detmer, Joann Owosekun, Airiam (who is actually a human cyborg), Commander Nhan, Gen Rhys, R.A. Bryce. In fact almost all of the Bridge crew aside from Pike, Burnham, Saru, and Tilly are Canadian. Of course we know almost nothing about these characters, even though they are senior bridge officers.
These would all be the characters who get the lions share of character development on a normal Star Trek, instead most of it goes to temp characters, or Statmets, Tilly, Saru, and Burnham.
I just watched the two recent episodes- Holy. Squealing. OINK.
Please, whoever is doing this, keep the oinking camera fixed! I do not have motion sickness, but I got nauseous watching the third episode. Every single scene began with the camera tilted or overhead, spinning around. This is not good. Also, Stop pushing the camera in every bridge officer's face, I like to SEE THINGS. This was very, very irritating.
Aside from that, the third episode of the second season might have been the worst episode in the entire series so far. In my opinion, everything in it was terrible. Lighting is way too dark, the sound is weird - I can't see or understand the actors half the time, and L'Rell's super dumb rubber mask doesn't help. Why can I understand Saru crystal clear (if he's not too silent), but L'Rell speaks as if she's holding a hot potato in her mouth. This is terrible. Event wise, the Klingon coup was really badly executed and S31 introduction was as hammy as it could get. I kind of see where they go with the unification, but the Klingon cult mother was too much. I hate DSCs take on Klingon society, hair or not, it's terrible.
The fourth episode was slightly better, but Tilly annoys me, the "My species has a expiration date" mechanic of Saru was boring and SQUEALING OINK, STOP SAYING 'SPOCK'. I made a riffing game with my wife and we had so much fun dubbing every scene over, just repeating the lines people said but replacing every second word with 'Spock'. It's ridiculous. "We got Spock on the Spock sensors. Red Spock! Set torpedoes to Spock! Full Spock ahead!" The side story was kind of interesting, but I agree with @artan42 in the other thread here, the "Red Angels" or "Where is Spock" really doesn't interest me. They did that. They made me not care about Spock.
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"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I came across them on Reddit last week. I love captioned recaps like that. I read a whole bunch for Agents of Shield but unfortunately the author dropped of the face of the Earth.
Some very useful captions...
When people write stupidly long posts of their own headcanon to 'correct' something in an episode...
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Edit: Wow, fragile mods. I've seen worse language in the show itself.
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
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A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
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Could the son of Voq be THE ALBINO ? The legendary foe of Kang, Koloth, Kor, and Dax?
The only connection that Voq's son has with the Albino is skin color. While it is likely an extremely rare skin condition for Klingons, there is always the possibility of other albino Klingons. So it is possible that Voq's son is the Albino since we don't know where the Albino came from. A more likely scenario is that Voq's son is one of the people in charge of cloning Kahless due to Tyler sending his son to the Boreth Monastery to be a monk.
I just watched the two recent episodes- Holy. Squealing. OINK.
Please, whoever is doing this, keep the oinking camera fixed! I do not have motion sickness, but I got nauseous watching the third episode. Every single scene began with the camera tilted or overhead, spinning around. This is not good. Also, Stop pushing the camera in every bridge officer's face, I like to SEE THINGS. This was very, very irritating.
Aside from that, the third episode of the second season might have been the worst episode in the entire series so far. In my opinion, everything in it was terrible. Lighting is way too dark, the sound is weird - I can't see or understand the actors half the time, and L'Rell's super dumb rubber mask doesn't help. Why can I understand Saru crystal clear (if he's not too silent), but L'Rell speaks as if she's holding a hot potato in her mouth. This is terrible. Event wise, the Klingon coup was really badly executed and S31 introduction was as hammy as it could get. I kind of see where they go with the unification, but the Klingon cult mother was too much. I hate DSCs take on Klingon society, hair or not, it's terrible.
The fourth episode was slightly better, but Tilly annoys me, the "My species has a expiration date" mechanic of Saru was boring and SQUEALING OINK, STOP SAYING 'SPOCK'. I made a riffing game with my wife and we had so much fun dubbing every scene over, just repeating the lines people said but replacing every second word with 'Spock'. It's ridiculous. "We got Spock on the Spock sensors. Red Spock! Set torpedoes to Spock! Full Spock ahead!" The side story was kind of interesting, but I agree with @artan42 in the other thread here, the "Red Angels" or "Where is Spock" really doesn't interest me. They did that. They made me not care about Spock.
The 3rd episode camera work was really excessive, totally agree with that. I don't really keep track of who's directing the episodes, unless it's a Star Trek alumni like Frakes (Episode 2 this season for example), but it might be worth checking out if this is repeated. Not sure what I'd do about it, but maybe at least some forewarning helps.
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> @mustrumridcully0 said: > > > The 3rd episode camera work was really excessive, totally agree with that. I don't really keep track of who's directing the episodes, unless it's a Star Trek alumni like Frakes (Episode 2 this season for example), but it might be worth checking out if this is repeated. Not sure what I'd do about it, but maybe at least some forewarning helps.
It was just so unnecessary. If they use it one time for a spectacular scene okay, but every boring dialogue was introduced upside down. It was horrible and it seems like I am overexaggerating, but I literally through my hooves in the air and said "Stop it!" because I couldn't take it any more 😄😒
Aside from that, I'd like to correct my assesment for Saru's expiration date, while the set up was bland the conclusion was new and he found out it's a lie, which might lead to a interesting story of revolutionising Kelpian society.
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"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I didn't even catch them speaking German. I have real trouble switching from listening to stuff in English and someone suddenly talking German. Especially if they are clearly not good at it and still sound American. It's just gibberish to me.
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It was horrible and it seems like I am overexaggerating, but I literally through my hooves in the air and said "Stop it!" because I couldn't take it any more 😄😒
I just imagined you shouting 'Stop it!' like James May when he sees a Dodge Hellcat.
> @mustrumridcully0 said: > angrytarg wrote: » > > Oh, also Pike speaks bad German 😄 > > > > I didn't even catch them speaking German. I have real trouble switching from listening to stuff in English and someone suddenly talking German. Especially if they are clearly not good at it and still sound American. It's just gibberish to me.
I didn't catch whether the translator malfunction made them all just be translated differently or they all spoke their native which means nobody but Saru bothered to learn different languages in the future (where is their comms officer? Even Sato could speak multiple languages, as did Uhura) But Pike spoke German, but with an incredibly thick accent. The grammar was fine but with that accent he'd never speak German 'native' 😄
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"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
sorry to bring this up, but it's kind of a criticism with Discovery that goes back to when cBS was just leaking sneak-peeks and the show hadn't even run yet, that is, this apparent burning need to link everyone in the current series to someone in past series, beginning with Bunny burnham being spocks unacknowledged sister, retreading Harry Mudd, etc.
are there really so few exceptional individuals that everyone has to be a relative of someone that had any importance in the setting already?
Some fans want to connect some of the characters in Discovery with other Star Trek series. The possibility exists that Voq's son is The Albino or a monk that helped clone Kahless, but unless it is shown in a future Star Trek series, then he might as well be some nameless individual that had no noticeable effect on history.
Discovery was never meant to stand on it's own. It desperately needs to hold hands with existimg stories, it was build up to be exactly this which is my biggest issue with it - the bare bones concept is poor. There is no need to "fill the gaps". Just tell your stories and have one call back episode in the season. But the whole Spock thing is already ridiculous, and now all the Klingons we ever saw are also related to each other? 😜
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
unlikely, i mean the age might be right, but the child would have been albino in appearance and not that of a regular Klingon like Koroth. It's possible the baby was raised on Boreth and had a very traditional upbringing, but when the time was right the child/adult would make their own choice by right. but during the era in 2270's where the possibility of war with the federation is never too far away, i'd think it would be more likely that the child would've gone on to become a warrior to prove himself and to end doubts about his appearance and to fight for the empire.
Discovery was never meant to stand on it's own. It desperately needs to hold hands with existimg stories, it was build up to be exactly this which is my biggest issue with it - the bare bones concept is poor. There is no need to "fill the gaps". Just tell your stories and have one call back episode in the season. But the whole Spock thing is already ridiculous, and now all the Klingons we ever saw are also related to each other? 😜
It's a prequel. If it stood fully alone it would fail in the principal function of a prequel.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
It's a prequel. If it stood fully alone it would fail in the principal function of a prequel.
Exactly. Prequels are dumb, by their very nature
But it could still have worked, they just don't have to try so hard. The forced connection to Spock through a non-existant sibling was neither missed nor required to fill any gaps (and yes, Sybok was also dumb). Having Pike and the Enterprise in Discovery is unnecessary. They could have just depicted events of the period and maybe have one episode where we meet the Enterprise.
But I had preferred an episodic show anyway. Both main story lines they chose don't appeal to me, the Klingon war was not something I needed explained, especially not with the weird religious/fanatical subtext they chose and Red Angels and Spock are also meh. I would have been interested in how the UFP and Starfleet grow together, cooperating alien crews with Discovery maybe being the first fully diverse starship in a fleet largely made up of segregated crews. I don't care about Voq/Tyler, L'Rell or their kid.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
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Well, the projection portion of The Doctor is, as said, only a part of his entire being. To use a contemporary analogy, The Doctor that we see is the User Interface portion of an Operating System. The rest of him is contained not inside the UI itself, but within the computer's memory, and later, transferable to the mobile emitter.
To again use a contemporary analogy, holographic comm tech is basically video conferencing. You can't truly interact other than audio and video.
Things I want in STO:
1) More character customization options such as more clothing options, letting the toon complexion affect the entire body, not just the head. Also a true RGB color picker applied to all costume and appearance options, which would allow for true appearance customization and homogenous colors instead of "this same exact color looks vastly different on two different pieces."
2) Bridge customization, not bridge packs. Let us pick a general layout and adjust the color palette, console appearance, and chair types, as well as more ready room layout options.
3) Customizable ground weapons, i.e. The aesthetic look of phaser dual pistols but they shoot antiproton bolts. For obvious reasons this would only apply to standard ground weapons.
4) For the love of Q please revamp Plasma Ground Weapons. They look like demented Supersoakers right now.
5) True Vanity Impulse and Deflector effects similar to Vanity Shields.
6) A greater payout for hitting T6 Reputations. Currently it takes more time and resources to get from T5 to T6 than it does to get from nothing to T5. Make that grind really pay out at the end.
7) Mirrorverse Refugee event similar to AoY/Delta/Gamma, complete with new Mirrorverse recruits for all factions.
8) Independent Faction, because yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me!
She had no choice but to compromise the ideals of the Federation. The writers wrote her into a corner. Sarek told her that Klingons would not take her seriously until she started shooting them. There was no choice for the character, hence no issue to overcome.
The only choice she had was to shoot or not shoot T'Kuvma. That was the decision she had. She chose to murder him. The consequences are on her head. THAT was the mistake she needed to make up for. The audience knows she had no choice in her mutiny because Giorgio did not trust her and because Starfleet Command is stupid.
So no one, in any episode of Star Trek ever was sympathetic or likable in the Mirror Universe? Not one character? I think you need to rewatch some of them.
When a character is given an opportunity for redemption, it should be difficult. Overcoming challenges is how characters grow. The Mirror universe was a wasted opportunity. We get Empress Saru-breath and Captain Lorca-Trump.
Absolute garbage.
Right. Exactly. We are on the same page here. The whole "muh culture" was unnecessary filler.
You can clearly see other humans and aliens wandering around the Qo'nos fleamarket. The fact that humans can wander around it during a time of war without upsetting the populace clearly indicates that this is a common event. Having humas, on Qo'nos, selling Levi's jeans and promoting rock music is normal, apparently.
What does that have to do with setting up a diplomatic mission? Why did Kol want Sarek to show up in the first place, especially since Discovery was not involved until a coincidence? It makes no sense.
Yeah, we are gonna need more than that. Why was Voq on the ship?
None of this was established. This is your headcannon. What is worse, "how is L'rell going tell Tyler the 'sekaret wordz' to make him into Voq?" is not established either. The entire plotline is dumb and pointless.
Yet, later on, Culber does a "real" exam and shows Tyler/Voq that he has "underwent extensive surgery" and that "he does not think Tyler is human". So, why did they wait so long to do a "real" exam? My guess is forced drama.
They murdered lots of vulcans Sarek points this out. You'd think that the Vulcans would have mentioned this at some point.
UNLESS YOU HAVE A REASON. The Federation does not stand by and get murdered; it defends itself. The Federation is made up of dozens, if not hundreds of different cultures. If it is culturally established that you greet someone by hitting them in the face with a baseball bat, YOU HIT THEM IN THE FACE WITH A BASEBALL BAT. We have seen several episodes of Star Trek where our heroes have to conform to strange local customs. This is no different. ESPECIALLY given the context that "not shooting first" results in MORE DEATH.
The point here was to establish that "Klingons are tricksy and cannot be trusted". Also "Klingons are wasteful and stupid". I have no issue with Starfleet attempting diplomacy during the battle.
Tell that to the Krenim. And Nero. I'm sure I could find other examples of "lost homeworld leads to crazed revenge" in Star Trek.
Since we have no idea how the Klingons destroy the atmosphere of entire worlds, it seems incredibly foolish to presume that taking out Qo'nos will not push the Klingons into murdering the homeworlds of the Federation.
It is not the holographic comms and displays that are the problem, but how common they are in Discovery. If Burnham could use a holoprojector as a mirror in her quarters in the 23rd Century, then anyone in the 24th Century should be able to do the same instead of having to go to the holodeck. There is no reason why every holoprojector in the 24th Century has to use forcefields to create solid holograms.
What she did not have to do is murder T'Kuvma. There was no reason for her to do that other than petty revenge. As a result, thousands of intelligent beings died. That is her crime, and that is what she needed to atone for.
Idiot or not, Mirror Spock was sympathetic and relatable. So was Mirror Miles O'Brian. Sympathetic characters have existed and could be written again. So, you are wrong. By your own admission.
None of this happens onscreen in Discovery. This is your headcanon, again.
T'Kuvma uses "muh culture" to rally the Klingons (who are looking for an excuse to murder anyway) but they only believe him when they see loads of Federation ships warp in. As I said, they could have just started with "look at all those Feddy bears! Git 'em!", especially since they seem totally indifferent to the non-Klingons wandering around Qo'nos. "Remain Klingon" (except for cheap Orion goods. Don't want to upset Space Walmart).
You cut the part out where the shoppers in the fleamarket did not bat an eye at the obvious humans wandering around. How selective are the Klingons going to be about "Remain Klingon"? Just anti-human, vulcan, tellerite, and andorian, but those orions and dozens of human looking aliens are fine. THOSE aliens are not a threat to our culture, but those OTHER aliens are because... reasons? The "muh culture" reason is stupid. Just as stupid as "the only way to make a Klingon respect you is to shoot him".
The Klingons do not respect traditional diplomacy, remember? They don't respect you if you don't shoot them first. Kol was winning. There is no reason for the murdering Klingons to call for a sham diplomatic meeting just to capture a diplomat. There is no logical reason for the Klingons to take Sarek hostage. The Federation is not going to give the Klingons valuable military information for a diplomat. There is nothing the Klingons can reasonably expect the Federation to give them that they cannot take by force.
So, you cannot answer my questions. That's fine. The show cannot either.
Voq has no purpose on Discovery. Tyler does. He is the chief of security. Voq does not. His mission cannot begin until he receives the magic passphrase. Whatever plan the Klingons had seems to be "we'll send Voq with Lorca and then goto the pub for a pint" because nothing that happens to Tyler/Voq after he leaved the D7 could reasonably be called a plan. It is a series of amazing coincidences that results in Culber's death. It's stupit from point "A" to "B".
No, it is not that simple.
Her plan was to claim asylum with the diplomat Kol did not need in the first place, then somehow her status as what... a Klingon who does not like Klingons would get her special privileges? What could she possibly offer to the Federation for said privileges? Also, Discovery is a super, hush hush, secret weapon. What moron at Starfleet Command would let a duplicitous reptile-bird Klingon near the Discovery?
... actually, don't answer that. You know, this dumb plan might actually work, since Starfleet Command probably gets high on solvents. Considering the low IQ of everyone involved, I may have to revise my thoughts on how feasible this plan is. It is still incredibly stupid.
So... they finally do a "real" exam and find out that Tyler is not human. So... why didn't they do this the first time? Not answering the question here.
Lots of vulcans dying... not relevant information...
What? What kind of bureaucratic TRIBBLE-up "misplaces" a race of murderers? Also, records in the Federation only go back 99 years or something? You mean to tell me that there are no records anywhere that you could look up on the Shenzou? That there were no records at Starfleet Command? When the Klingons showed up, no one looked at the available data and said "hey, the only way to deal with these guys is to shoot them in the face".
Nonsense. Especially since the Space Illuminati make it their personal mission to identify and observe potential threats to the Federation. This entire situation is stupid. I find it incredibly hard to believe that the Federation would just say "Hey, every time someone meets the Klingons, the Klingons murder them. Oh, well. That was 100 years ago. We don't need to observe what is going on outside our borders or keep an eye on our neighbors. We are too busy exploring! Um, that way."
Except when the alternative is MORE DEATH. You caught that part, right? "Needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one."
The Federation is capable of grasping cultural differences. We know this. If the alternative is death, our heroes adapt as best they can. We expect them to. If your writers write stupid things like "you have to shoot a Klingon in the face to get his respect", then the audience expects our heroes to adapt to that. If the writers give the characters no choice, we accept this as well. Burnham had no choice, and we, as the audience, accept that. The blame lies with T'Kuvma (who wanted the war) and with Starfleet Command (who are just stupid).
They created a cloaking device. Then used it to ram another ship. Then both ships explode. That is stupid and wasteful. It really cements the idea of "Klingorcs" in your mind.
Annorax used one ship to devastate their opponents and had no support doing it. Nero destroyed Vulcan and almost destroyed Earth.
As I said, we do not know how the Klingons destroy atmospheres. The Klingon fleet was already in orbit over Earth. It was incredibly stupid to threaten Qo'nos. If the Klingons lost their homeworld, Earth would have suffered greatly up to being rendered uninhabitable. Starfleet Command is stupid.
http://chrysreviews.com/index.php/2019/01/25/star-trek-discovery-season-2-episode-1-oh-brother-where-art-thou/
http://chrysreviews.com/index.php/2019/01/31/star-trek-discovery-season-2-episode-2-satisfaction-brought-her-back/
http://chrysreviews.com/index.php/2019/02/07/star-trek-discovery-season-2-episode-3-recap-mommy-dearest/
Particular her "alternate captions"?
https://imgur.com/a/KA56fSH
Hilarious stuff!
These would all be the characters who get the lions share of character development on a normal Star Trek, instead most of it goes to temp characters, or Statmets, Tilly, Saru, and Burnham.
Please, whoever is doing this, keep the oinking camera fixed! I do not have motion sickness, but I got nauseous watching the third episode. Every single scene began with the camera tilted or overhead, spinning around. This is not good. Also, Stop pushing the camera in every bridge officer's face, I like to SEE THINGS. This was very, very irritating.
Aside from that, the third episode of the second season might have been the worst episode in the entire series so far. In my opinion, everything in it was terrible. Lighting is way too dark, the sound is weird - I can't see or understand the actors half the time, and L'Rell's super dumb rubber mask doesn't help. Why can I understand Saru crystal clear (if he's not too silent), but L'Rell speaks as if she's holding a hot potato in her mouth. This is terrible. Event wise, the Klingon coup was really badly executed and S31 introduction was as hammy as it could get. I kind of see where they go with the unification, but the Klingon cult mother was too much. I hate DSCs take on Klingon society, hair or not, it's terrible.
The fourth episode was slightly better, but Tilly annoys me, the "My species has a expiration date" mechanic of Saru was boring and SQUEALING OINK, STOP SAYING 'SPOCK'. I made a riffing game with my wife and we had so much fun dubbing every scene over, just repeating the lines people said but replacing every second word with 'Spock'. It's ridiculous. "We got Spock on the Spock sensors. Red Spock! Set torpedoes to Spock! Full Spock ahead!" The side story was kind of interesting, but I agree with @artan42 in the other thread here, the "Red Angels" or "Where is Spock" really doesn't interest me. They did that. They made me not care about Spock.
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I came across them on Reddit last week. I love captioned recaps like that. I read a whole bunch for Agents of Shield but unfortunately the author dropped of the face of the Earth.
Some very useful captions...
When people write stupidly long posts of their own headcanon to 'correct' something in an episode...
Profanity redacted. -- WingedHussar
Edit: Wow, fragile mods. I've seen worse language in the show itself.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Could the son of Voq be THE ALBINO ? The legendary foe of Kang, Koloth, Kor, and Dax?
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
> of course it will be, because discovery
What do you mean by that?
The only connection that Voq's son has with the Albino is skin color. While it is likely an extremely rare skin condition for Klingons, there is always the possibility of other albino Klingons. So it is possible that Voq's son is the Albino since we don't know where the Albino came from. A more likely scenario is that Voq's son is one of the people in charge of cloning Kahless due to Tyler sending his son to the Boreth Monastery to be a monk.
The 3rd episode camera work was really excessive, totally agree with that. I don't really keep track of who's directing the episodes, unless it's a Star Trek alumni like Frakes (Episode 2 this season for example), but it might be worth checking out if this is repeated. Not sure what I'd do about it, but maybe at least some forewarning helps.
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It was just so unnecessary. If they use it one time for a spectacular scene okay, but every boring dialogue was introduced upside down. It was horrible and it seems like I am overexaggerating, but I literally through my hooves in the air and said "Stop it!" because I couldn't take it any more 😄😒
Aside from that, I'd like to correct my assesment for Saru's expiration date, while the set up was bland the conclusion was new and he found out it's a lie, which might lead to a interesting story of revolutionising Kelpian society.
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I just imagined you shouting 'Stop it!' like James May when he sees a Dodge Hellcat.
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I didn't catch whether the translator malfunction made them all just be translated differently or they all spoke their native which means nobody but Saru bothered to learn different languages in the future (where is their comms officer? Even Sato could speak multiple languages, as did Uhura) But Pike spoke German, but with an incredibly thick accent. The grammar was fine but with that accent he'd never speak German 'native' 😄
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Koroth has too much color to be Voq's kid which is why the Albino is Voq's Kid theory exists.
Some fans want to connect some of the characters in Discovery with other Star Trek series. The possibility exists that Voq's son is The Albino or a monk that helped clone Kahless, but unless it is shown in a future Star Trek series, then he might as well be some nameless individual that had no noticeable effect on history.
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unlikely, i mean the age might be right, but the child would have been albino in appearance and not that of a regular Klingon like Koroth. It's possible the baby was raised on Boreth and had a very traditional upbringing, but when the time was right the child/adult would make their own choice by right. but during the era in 2270's where the possibility of war with the federation is never too far away, i'd think it would be more likely that the child would've gone on to become a warrior to prove himself and to end doubts about his appearance and to fight for the empire.
i'm actually thinking of this person: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/The_Albino. The timeline tracks roughly and if the Albino is a klingon, it might be this person is that child?
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
It's a prequel. If it stood fully alone it would fail in the principal function of a prequel.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Exactly. Prequels are dumb, by their very nature
But it could still have worked, they just don't have to try so hard. The forced connection to Spock through a non-existant sibling was neither missed nor required to fill any gaps (and yes, Sybok was also dumb). Having Pike and the Enterprise in Discovery is unnecessary. They could have just depicted events of the period and maybe have one episode where we meet the Enterprise.
But I had preferred an episodic show anyway. Both main story lines they chose don't appeal to me, the Klingon war was not something I needed explained, especially not with the weird religious/fanatical subtext they chose and Red Angels and Spock are also meh. I would have been interested in how the UFP and Starfleet grow together, cooperating alien crews with Discovery maybe being the first fully diverse starship in a fleet largely made up of segregated crews. I don't care about Voq/Tyler, L'Rell or their kid.
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