Did they announce that both pilots will be free to watch? Because last I hearn it was just the first episode. Which makes watching it to judge if you want to pay for their stupid service nigh useless. I hope so...because it means that somebody at CBS might have grown a brain.
From Wikipedia: The first two episodes will premiere on CBS before being immediately released for streaming on CBS All Access.
Why is everybody under the impression there will no other way to watch the show without the CBS thing or Netflix?
because that's what CBS said??
And? There's other ways to watch it on t'internet.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
One of the first reveals about the "new/old" universe was an alien who could sense death. Coupled with writer interviews where they gleefully discuss their formula for determining "when to kill off a cast member" with dark grim trailers and you start to get the feeling this Grimdark Trek is an entirely new beast.
I'm sorry...but you seriously think what you just said is a GOOD thing?!? Alien who can sense death is so bloody stupid that it would make more sense in the orville as a comedy trope than in something actually serious. And they admit to writing by formula and you think that is a GOOD thing...really? K. And going grimdark for the sake of it because everyone else does it is not a good reason to do it. It just does not work with some things. Grimdark superman for example...doesn't work. DC FINALLY figured it out with wonder woman. The source material needs to make sense for grimdark before you use that trope. Even DS9 which is a more gritter series with a war focus did not go grimdark. So really, they are going this way because they think it is what sells. Unfortunately for them, they missed the mark by MILES.
I think what they meant about characters dying is that they plan to NOT write red-shirts. IE everyone who dies will get introduced first. But that doesn't necessarily mean Grimdark. It could simply mean that the show takes a less optimistic approach to the same things we've seen before.
And really... you think the idea of an alien who can sense death is too weird for Star Trek? It's not too weird for real life! I mean really, we live in a world where people have had serious discussions about how a cat seemingly had the ability to predict that someone would die. If it's not too weird for RL, then if anything it's not interesting enough for Star Trek.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
A cancer-sniffing dog or a cat who can observe that a human is in poor health is a bit different than an actual precognitive ability, Mark.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
A cancer-sniffing dog or a cat who can observe that a human is in poor health is a bit different than an actual precognitive ability, Mark.
Oh sure, it's different. In the same way that reading emotions by watching someone is different from being able to sense the emotions of someone on a different starship.
Some exist in a grey area as they're streaming which places the burden of criminality on the host, ripper, or uploader not the viewer.
It's also not exactly beyond the moral scruples of people who are choosing to not watch it on the CBS programme to deny them revenue in the first place.
Just watched the trailer. Made it half way before shutting it off.
It's not in the Primeline, it's JJTrek. The Klingon's are JJverse versions. The tech looks JJTrekish. It's way to advanced to be be 10 years before Kirk takes the Enterprise in the Primeverse. Unless Starfleet devolved all tech in about 80 years in ten years.
CBS saying this is in the Primeline is total BS. I saw nothing that looked like Star Trek, just JJTrek.
Like the 4th JJ Movie, I won't be watching JJDiscovery either. =p
Aww, beat me to it .
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
And then there are DvD sales, re-release on syndication, special promotions to entice viewers to buy AllCBS and a host of other legal means of gaining access to the series.
I think what they meant about characters dying is that they plan to NOT write red-shirts. IE everyone who dies will get introduced first. But that doesn't necessarily mean Grimdark. It could simply mean that the show takes a less optimistic approach to the same things we've seen before.
After Bryan Fuller left, Aaron Harberts and Gretchen J. Berg took over as showruners of Discovery. Everything they have said publicly is "this show is darker and more in tune with the expectations of modern audiences compared to previous Trek shows". In addition:
Game of Thrones changed television...they almost made it difficult to fall in love with people because you didn’t know if they were going to be taken away from you. That show’s had an influence on all TV dramas that have come after it... death isn’t treated gratuitously on this show. It’s not for shock value. But when it happens we want to make sure that people really feel it.
If Star Trek: Discovery is not "dark and grim", the cast/executives/writeers need to STOP SAYING IT IS DARK AND GRIM. Right now, my expectation is a Star Trek series about war and death and "tough choices with serious long-reaching consequences for everyone". I mean seriously. You want me to think this is an upbeat series... don't put an alien on the bridge who can sense death. That's creepy.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
^^You never watched DS9 much, did you? Because they did pretty much exactly what Ms. Berg discussed in that statement from about "Duet" to the end of the series.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
But omni-tool aliens like Spock, Worf, Data, Seven, and the Doctor are all fine. I don't see how the death sensing guy is any different from, say, Kes.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Not as dumb as 'generic space magic' because the writers have discovered a brand new plot hole. Seriously they turned her into an actual fearie.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
> @artan42 said: > > > > Not as dumb as 'generic space magic' because the writers have discovered a brand new plot hole. Seriously they turned her into an actual fearie.
I haven't said anything about other dumb super powers, this one just doesn't get better because there are worse around. There's a lot of relativising going on with DSC so far xD
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
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> Not as dumb as 'generic space magic' because the writers have discovered a brand new plot hole. Seriously they turned her into an actual fearie.
I haven't said anything about other dumb super powers, this one just doesn't get better because there are worse around. There's a lot of relativising going on with DSC so far xD
I can ignore it as long as VGR is still available.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
The power of the In The Pale Moonlight episode was in the fact that it was such a jarring deviation from what had come before. It made our hero into a murderer.
Lacking the context of the Sisko character, that plot would have been a so-what? episode in any other series. Absent the Sisko of unimpeachable morality, the exemplar of all the Federation stands for, the white knight who stands against the encroaching darkness, the episode is just another Machiavellian manipulation script.
In Game Of Thrones, it's at about the level of Sansa's maid being a spy for Circe. It's certainly nowhere as devious and convoluted as Tyrion's daily plot to acquire more wine.
The point is, DS9 is gritty but not grimdark. War is treated as the ugly and horrible but sometimes necessary business it really is, character deaths are treated seriously rather than being something to just throw in at random to show we're in deep yotz, and rather than being paragons, the characters have troubled pasts that figure into their behavior, occasionally do dumb things, and are allowed to make morally ambiguous decisions without the show deciding that one particular POV is necessarily the right one. But in the end, it's still optimistic: lasting peace is achieved with an apparently implacable foe not by the wholesale slaughter of the enemy, but through an act of mercy that thwarted those who did want the wholesale slaughter of the enemy.
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"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Neither was Deep Space Nine. There were a lot of people who thought a ST series set on a Space station couldn't possibly work.
Two things here. First, Grimdark Trek may work as well or better than DS9. I have not seen it.
Second, when the executives, cast and writers say "this is the grittiest version of Star Trek yet", I assume they have seen DS9 and are not being hyperbolic in their comparison; they genuinely feel that Star Trek: Discovery is a darker show than Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. It's possible once we've looked at Star Trek: Discovery we will compare it to DS9 and say, "Nah, DS9 was way grimmer and darker", but until then we only have the word of the people making the show.
Neither was Deep Space Nine. There were a lot of people who thought a ST series set on a Space station couldn't possibly work.
Two things here. First, Grimdark Trek may work as well or better than DS9. I have not seen it.
Second, when the executives, cast and writers say "this is the grittiest version of Star Trek yet", I assume they have seen DS9 and are not being hyperbolic in their comparison; they genuinely feel that Star Trek: Discovery is a darker show than Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. It's possible once we've looked at Star Trek: Discovery we will compare it to DS9 and say, "Nah, DS9 was way grimmer and darker", but until then we only have the word of the people making the show.
I don't know, I kinda feel that they might have seen DS9, but that is still not the comparison point they actually mean, because most people might think of TNG, VOY or ENT, since they all seem to have a similar "grittiness" (with ENT possibly the darkest of the 3)
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When I first read it, I thought it said "two pilots". It actually says "two part pilot".
And? There's other ways to watch it on t'internet.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
And really... you think the idea of an alien who can sense death is too weird for Star Trek? It's not too weird for real life! I mean really, we live in a world where people have had serious discussions about how a cat seemingly had the ability to predict that someone would die. If it's not too weird for RL, then if anything it's not interesting enough for Star Trek.
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#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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Some exist in a grey area as they're streaming which places the burden of criminality on the host, ripper, or uploader not the viewer.
It's also not exactly beyond the moral scruples of people who are choosing to not watch it on the CBS programme to deny them revenue in the first place.
Aww, beat me to it
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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If Star Trek: Discovery is not "dark and grim", the cast/executives/writeers need to STOP SAYING IT IS DARK AND GRIM. Right now, my expectation is a Star Trek series about war and death and "tough choices with serious long-reaching consequences for everyone". I mean seriously. You want me to think this is an upbeat series... don't put an alien on the bridge who can sense death. That's creepy.
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Not as dumb as 'generic space magic' because the writers have discovered a brand new plot hole. Seriously they turned her into an actual fearie.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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> Not as dumb as 'generic space magic' because the writers have discovered a brand new plot hole. Seriously they turned her into an actual fearie.
I haven't said anything about other dumb super powers, this one just doesn't get better because there are worse around. There's a lot of relativising going on with DSC so far xD
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I can ignore it as long as VGR is still available.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Otherwise, it is just one episode among many. I'm not saying "grim and dark" is bad, but it is not typical of Star Trek.
Neither was Deep Space Nine. There were a lot of people who thought a ST series set on a Space station couldn't possibly work.
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Lacking the context of the Sisko character, that plot would have been a so-what? episode in any other series. Absent the Sisko of unimpeachable morality, the exemplar of all the Federation stands for, the white knight who stands against the encroaching darkness, the episode is just another Machiavellian manipulation script.
In Game Of Thrones, it's at about the level of Sansa's maid being a spy for Circe. It's certainly nowhere as devious and convoluted as Tyrion's daily plot to acquire more wine.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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Because most of the other options are in a legally grey area and might be against forum rules.
Second, when the executives, cast and writers say "this is the grittiest version of Star Trek yet", I assume they have seen DS9 and are not being hyperbolic in their comparison; they genuinely feel that Star Trek: Discovery is a darker show than Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. It's possible once we've looked at Star Trek: Discovery we will compare it to DS9 and say, "Nah, DS9 was way grimmer and darker", but until then we only have the word of the people making the show.
I don't know, I kinda feel that they might have seen DS9, but that is still not the comparison point they actually mean, because most people might think of TNG, VOY or ENT, since they all seem to have a similar "grittiness" (with ENT possibly the darkest of the 3)