I believe, if Cryptic would pay some attention to both KDF and Roms, more people would play them.
That is not something I believe. Cryptic has paid some attention to both KDF and Roms. They build a complete expansion around the Romulans and added a large amount of Klingon story content to the game. They did put considerably focus on the Klingons in the Iconian War arc, and also on the Romulans. They got Klingon alumni like Michael Dorn and Tony Todd aboard to reprise their roles.
If people started playing KDF (or Romulans) in droves after these content additions, I suspect there is not actually a bigger, hidden market to chase after - certainly not one that can be captured as easily as the Federation market.
The klingon and romulan ship markets would be just as big as the Federation ship market, if Cryptic didn't artificially restrict them to players of specific origin stories.
Well, that is the alternative. Forgoe the faction locking of ships. But there are people that don't like this (often people that still want to have more ships of their faction).
People want all kinds of things.
Maybe they could do also a lot if they had included human as race option the KDF and RR factions. (Well, for the Romulans, maybe elves would have sufficed.)
Alien can be almost any species.
Even elves.
I suspect that new players will not necessarily realize that, or feel that it's "real" Humans then. I think the default alien models are all non-human, too, so someone looking for human would not notice that Alien could cover that species.
That's so true. I myself made a human my first character, because I thought Alien was just for ugly creatures-of-the-week. It wasn't until I got my first Alien boff that I found out it could be any species I want (and even more awesomely, that I could change it into different species whenever I want).
I think it would be better if it was named "Custom" or "Freeform" or something, that would clearly indicate it's versatility.
I believe, if Cryptic would pay some attention to both KDF and Roms, more people would play them.
The sheer lack of everything makes them unwanted.
I have to agree with this. If I'm honest, I find the KDF storyline (what I've seen so far) more engaging than the Federation storyline, but the lack of decent ships ships I like the look of or are interested in, means I'm just not bothered about progressing the storyline. A few times, the 'level up ship', has been one which I took 'to select something', but I carried on using my purchased BoP. Same with the Romulan arc. The storyline was fantastic, but the ships themselves, not enough options, or options which simply 'aren't all that'. I forget which level and ship it was, but one, was such a lumbersome monstrosity, I went back to the previous level's ship and simply swallowed the cost of purchasing all vr rank-appropriate gear, because its maneuverability was sufficient to keep it out of trouble, with upgraded weapons packing more of a punch. The Aelahl isn't bad, but I'm still pretty underwhelemed by it.
But. The thing which needs to be kept in mind, is that many, if not most, players, come to the game because they want to play Federation. The options and variety of ships available, in my opinion, make rolling a new toon, and repeating the same levels again with different ships, more satisfying than playing new/different missions, with TRIBBLE ships.
Of my nine playable characters, only one is Romulan, and only two are KDF. And of the second KDF, he's an Orion Slaver who never leaves the Vlugta area, and was only rolled KDF, because I wanted to create actual Orions, not Federation Aliengens with green skin, and because I knew that once levelled up to have mining access, the ships available were irrelevant to my use of that character. That's seven instances of where I would rather repeat content with different ships, than play the same content with the same ship and a different toon. Personally, I think that sums it up.
The limits of the KDF and Romulan toon customization also irritates me, in so much as the very minimal color palettes, and the insistence on making Klingon hair 'dreads', rather than simply long and wavy.
I can understand why KDF and Roms get less attention. Doesn't make it any less disappointing, but I can understand it.
Since we Klinks need new ships: let me suggest the Klingon D-70 Khin'Vagh Class Battleship: D-70 Khin-Vagh class
That's a really nice ship, but I have seen comments on the forum, where it's been pointed out that licencing rights prevent Cryptic acquiring them. I think the only way Cryptic will get new ship designs for these factions, is by holding an open-house contest where players provide completed ready to go design models, signing over all rights to Cryptic as soon as they hit 'submit'. If Cryptic aren't willing, or unable, to allocate the resources to ship creation, then the only option is to solicit outside input which saves them having to expend those resources themselves.
"I fight for the Users!" - Tron
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
I think the only way Cryptic will get new ship designs for these factions, is by holding an open-house contest where players provide completed ready to go design models, signing over all rights to Cryptic as soon as they hit 'submit'.
There are so many legal reasons why such a thing simply wouldn't work.
Such as?
"I fight for the Users!" - Tron
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
But the challenge of being Klingon is to be there whether they want you or not.
You don't like the ships? Good! A warrior should never be satisfied! Federation dogs beg for more ships. Klingon warriors command the ships they have, and if they find better they take them!
Until you own every ship offered by the High Command, don't come before the council begging like a Federation lapdog for more treats. Be a warrior. Fight with the sword in your hand, not the one you dream of holding one day!
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All other arguments aside, Cryptic has to count man-hours spent versus income derived. If Klingon faction was a vastly profitable segment of the game's audience Cryptic would bend over backward for them.
I encourage every Klingon faction player who has purchased all the Klingon offerings to start a "We are Klingon" thread showing their solidarity with the faction. Show not only Cryptic but other players too how much they have invested in the game because of its Klingon offerings.
Yes, game development discouraged Klingon faction players, first by having nothing for them to do, then by limiting what they had to do it, but that's done, and now here we are. Where do we go from here?
If you want Cryptic to cater to Klingons you have to demonstrate to Cryptic that you will not simply talk them into investing time and effort just to hear you complain it isn't exactly what you wanted. You have to demonstrate to Cryptic that Klingon stuff will sell. You have to buy everything Klingon they have, and encourage your friends to do so as well.
Option 2: if you don't want or can't afford to buy up the Klingon inventory, perhaps you could engage in a pledge drive.
A pledge drive is where you promise to buy ahead of the offer. For example, players might purchase 1500 Zen, then post their promise to hold that Zen for the purchase of the desired ship, buying the remaining Zen required to purchase the product at the time it becomes available.
The pledger will have to maintain that 1500 Zen unspent for an indefinite time, but doing so will show Cryptic that they have an automatic sale. Enough of those and someone will notice. But if you are unwilling to put your money where your typing fingers are you are unlikely to sway people who are working for their next paycheck.
You could have several specific pledges going on, such as the T6 Vor'cha drive or my own desire for a Hegh'ta science vessel refit.Or you could put it all in one pot. Either way, if Cryptic delivers, you have to complete the deal by buying. Reneg once and you will never be trusted again. These guys have girlfriends, husbands, and babies to keep happy, and that takes money.
Such as the "Design the next Enterprise" contest being a huge fiasco and headache for Cryptic in the end. From what has been shared by Devs on the topic, it is not worth the effort for them to do it again.
Oh, what happend? :-\
I was under the impresson that we agree when we start playing the game, that anything we create, like ship layouts, toon configurations, etc, automatically become Cryptic's property, and that the creative writing stuff also becomes theirs once it gets posted to the forum, so from that perspective, I can't see how it would be any harder to have a ship design contest, where the contestant knows that they're signing over their creative rights? Or, if not a 'contest' as such with a winner, maybe just an ongoing policy of accepting new game-ready models all the time, which removes the competetive aspect? Like I said, if Cryptic won't or can't spend on new designs, if they want to retain player interest in those other factions, outsourcing the KDF/Rom ship designs might be their only option.
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"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
The biggest one being that courts are notoriously anti-corporation, so even if Cryptic put up a "the moment you submit this it is ours!" clause into the contest, there is still a VERY VERY VERY wide door for people to immediately turns around, sue Cryptic, and ask for money in regards to their ship design, and win.
Fair enough
"I fight for the Users!" - Tron
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
The biggest one being that courts are notoriously anti-corporation, so even if Cryptic put up a "the moment you submit this it is ours!" clause into the contest, there is still a VERY VERY VERY wide door for people to immediately turns around, sue Cryptic, and ask for money in regards to their ship design, and win.
don't forget people doing things like submitting ships from other shows/games. which could get cryptic sued as well.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
The biggest one being that courts are notoriously anti-corporation, so even if Cryptic put up a "the moment you submit this it is ours!" clause into the contest, there is still a VERY VERY VERY wide door for people to immediately turns around, sue Cryptic, and ask for money in regards to their ship design, and win.
don't forget people doing things like submitting ships from other shows/games. which could get cryptic sued as well.
True, would probably take a team as long, if not longer, to check for infringements rather than just making the new models. Oh well, so much for that idea.
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I believe, if Cryptic would pay some attention to both KDF and Roms, more people would play them.
That is not something I believe. Cryptic has paid some attention to both KDF and Roms. They build a complete expansion around the Romulans and added a large amount of Klingon story content to the game. They did put considerably focus on the Klingons in the Iconian War arc, and also on the Romulans. They got Klingon alumni like Michael Dorn and Tony Todd aboard to reprise their roles.
If people started playing KDF (or Romulans) in droves after these content additions, I suspect there is not actually a bigger, hidden market to chase after - certainly not one that can be captured as easily as the Federation market.
The klingon and romulan ship markets would be just as big as the Federation ship market, if Cryptic didn't artificially restrict them to players of specific origin stories.
Well, that is the alternative. Forgoe the faction locking of ships. But there are people that don't like this (often people that still want to have more ships of their faction).
Maybe they could do also a lot if they had included human as race option the KDF and RR factions. (Well, for the Romulans, maybe elves would have sufficed.)
We have an example.... the time ship 3-pack... those are still some of the most common ships in the game. Why? Cross-faction C-store. The ONLY ones, but awesome ones. Maybe the next DSD will be faction-neutral?
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The best we'll get is like how the Jupiter and Lukari ships were designed. Cryptic draws up some concepts, and we vote on which ones we like the most.
As for the OP's request to shut down ALL Fed ship creation... not gonna happen. Most ships we get now are cross faction bundles, with only a few oddballs like the Hestia, Archon, and Jupiter.
Star Trek is inherently Fed Centric. Meaning Federation has the most exposure for ship design to draw from. So naturally Fed will have more designs. KDF and Romulan have fewer examples of their ship designs to work off of, so it takes longer to extrapolate what an equivalent ship might be.
KDF and Romulans are getting more ships these days, which is a good thing.
Would I like to see a T6 Vor'cha? I wouldn't mind. Might even look pretty good with the Mirror skin on her.
Would I like to see a T6 K'vort? Not really. Its literally just an up-scaled B'rel that appeared in a few episodes of TNG before they made the Vor'cha. Never even saw action in DS9. And frankly making a K'vort would be very lazy due to just scaling up the existing B'rel and calling it a day.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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But the challenge of being Klingon is to be there whether they want you or not.
You don't like the ships? Good! A warrior should never be satisfied! Federation dogs beg for more ships. Klingon warriors command the ships they have, and if they find better they take them!
Until you own every ship offered by the High Command, don't come before the council begging like a Federation lapdog for more treats. Be a warrior. Fight with the sword in your hand, not the one you dream of holding one day!
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I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Completely sidelining the development of the faction that generates Cryptic the most money is not a smart business move.
That said, I would love some more ships for the KDF and Romulans.
I'd love to see them bring out a T6 version of the D5 Raptor.
I'd love to have more than one Romulan bridge to choose from.
I'd love more race options for the Romulans besides Romulan, Reman, Liberated Borg Romulan, and Alien (Hell, I'd love to see a complete cross-factional opening up of character races. You want to be a Human KDF officer? Go that route. You want to be an Orion Romulan Republic officer? Have fun. Reman Starfleet captain? It's all yours).
However, I don't see these happening any time soon because Cryptic has to worry about the bottom line, and the bottom line is primarily fed by Federation toons.
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Things I want in STO:
1) More character customization options such as more clothing options, letting the toon complexion affect the entire body, not just the head. Also a true RGB color picker applied to all costume and appearance options, which would allow for true appearance customization and homogenous colors instead of "this same exact color looks vastly different on two different pieces."
2) Bridge customization, not bridge packs. Let us pick a general layout and adjust the color palette, console appearance, and chair types, as well as more ready room layout options.
3) Customizable ground weapons, i.e. The aesthetic look of phaser dual pistols but they shoot antiproton bolts. For obvious reasons this would only apply to standard ground weapons.
4) For the love of Q please revamp Plasma Ground Weapons. They look like demented Supersoakers right now.
5) True Vanity Impulse and Deflector effects similar to Vanity Shields.
6) A greater payout for hitting T6 Reputations. Currently it takes more time and resources to get from T5 to T6 than it does to get from nothing to T5. Make that grind really pay out at the end.
7) Mirrorverse Refugee event similar to AoY/Delta/Gamma, complete with new Mirrorverse recruits for all factions.
8) Independent Faction, because yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me!
you can smell klingons over that puddle the feds left when they thought the competitive rep would have them face warriors of the kdf. you must have very fine senses, I'm impressed.
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A TRUE warrior... shows respect for his/her opponent.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
normal text = me speaking as fellow formite colored text = mod mode
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
consider: player numbers are tight enough that Cryptic's had to employ an ever-increasing frequency to "Special" events to keep player numbers up, and they've had to extend those events longer and longer. When the Summer Event first came out, it was 30 days. (four weeks and two days) this year's closer to sixty days. Winter Event used to last from mid-december to mid-january, Mirror and Crystalline Catastrophe events were about three weeks long each, and in between was a lot of open schedule.
each year those gaps between events have narrowed, this year, they overlapped.
Legacy of Romulus went from zero to complete in eight months. (from the poll that selected Romulans to the release date of Legacy of Romulus was eight months.)
it took Cryptic's team eighteen months to go from zero to complete for Agents of Yesterday.
Delta Recruits had 30 days, AoY had almost ninety.
Just singling this out as wrong, and so easily-verifiable that you really should have double-checked. The first Lohlunat Festival was initially scheduled to run from June 27th to August 15th of 2013. That's a week longer than any following year including this one, which were all standardized at 6 weeks. See blog here. The first Winter Wonderland was indeed shorter than later ones, by a whopping 3 days. It was initially scheduled at 39 days, compared to the standard 42 of all later events.Another blog for you Similarly, Delta Recruits went from April 2nd to May 21st, and Temporal agent Recruitment went from July 6th to August 24th. Both were seven weeks. Links for Delta and Temporal. The three week events have increased by one per year these pat 2 years, since the Breach Event was added last year, so I guess that you can keep concern trolling about the frequency of events meaning the game is in trouble with that one, since that's all this part of the rant is. This game runs about 28 weeks of scheduled events at approximately the same time every year now. For comparison, that's also approximately how many weeks that DC Universe Online devotes to normal seasonal events every year. I haven't played many other MMOs in recent years, but I'll bet they come pretty close.
This is an MMO, not a Star Trek episode simulator. That would make for a terrible game.
Although the Feds have far more vessels that both the KDF or the Roms, they keep asking for ships, or to make t6 versions of their older ones.
Several times in the past, it was said that the two other factions are behind, that both factions could have some attention, but this basically is ignored.
The Feds have I think as many as ships as both the KDF and Rom have together.
It's truly time the Feds will be ignored for a year or 5, so both other factions, if STO is willing, can begin a catch up period.
Which we surely need.
In ships that matter now, Tier 6 ones, Klingons and Romulans have roughly 2 faction ships for every 3 that Feds have. Klingons, and especially Romulans, got the short end of the stick in previous tiers, but the developers have been pretty good about keeping things at least close since Tier 6 came out.
Let's play a game called "Put This Logic Into Practice in a Different Field."
I think those fishermen should go fish in the waters that never yield many fish for a year or 5.
I'm sure many others here could come up with similar analogies showing how that doesn't really make sense when the rubber hits the road.
This is an MMO, not a Star Trek episode simulator. That would make for a terrible game.
OP, you're coming across as very antagonistic. I'd suggest toning down your rhetoric.
I AM!
Well, depending on what synonym you use for this word.
I am indeed in disagreement, for sure, considering how it is all about the Federation.
There's far more in the ST universe than the bloody Federation.
This aside, the once enemies get together in the end, thus becoming Federation, and you treat them like not even 2nd grade things.
I believe, if Cryptic would pay some attention to both KDF and Roms, more people would play them.
That is not something I believe. Cryptic has paid some attention to both KDF and Roms. They build a complete expansion around the Romulans and added a large amount of Klingon story content to the game. They did put considerably focus on the Klingons in the Iconian War arc, and also on the Romulans. They got Klingon alumni like Michael Dorn and Tony Todd aboard to reprise their roles.
If people started playing KDF (or Romulans) in droves after these content additions, I suspect there is not actually a bigger, hidden market to chase after - certainly not one that can be captured as easily as the Federation market.
The forums pretty much show this trend, too. You see all those requests for Novas, Lunas, [obscure Federation Ship shown in on e background] [obscure Federation kitbash] and what not are a much more common requests than for a Tier 6 Vo'Quv (long overdue, absolutely ridicilous that the faction that used to have Carriers as an exclusive perk still hasn't a Tier 6 C-Store option) or the Tier 6 Vor'Cha (a canonical Klingon ship!).
I do not say they have not, but it was not in the same amount of the
The best we'll get is like how the Jupiter and Lukari ships were designed. Cryptic draws up some concepts, and we vote on which ones we like the most.
As for the OP's request to shut down ALL Fed ship creation... not gonna happen. Most ships we get now are cross faction bundles, with only a few oddballs like the Hestia, Archon, and Jupiter.
Star Trek is inherently Fed Centric. Meaning Federation has the most exposure for ship design to draw from. So naturally Fed will have more designs. KDF and Romulan have fewer examples of their ship designs to work off of, so it takes longer to extrapolate what an equivalent ship might be.
KDF and Romulans are getting more ships these days, which is a good thing.
Would I like to see a T6 Vor'cha? I wouldn't mind. Might even look pretty good with the Mirror skin on her.
Would I like to see a T6 K'vort? Not really. Its literally just an up-scaled B'rel that appeared in a few episodes of TNG before they made the Vor'cha. Never even saw action in DS9. And frankly making a K'vort would be very lazy due to just scaling up the existing B'rel and calling it a day.
And if that ship does get a T6 version, it would be in fact yet another NEW ship to the already huge Federation Fleet, and this is what I meant (IF it got done).
What would the two other factions get?
NADA.
Since we Klinks need new ships: let me suggest the Klingon D-70 Khin'Vagh Class Battleship: D-70 Khin-Vagh class
That's a really nice ship, but I have seen comments on the forum, where it's been pointed out that licencing rights prevent Cryptic acquiring them. I think the only way Cryptic will get new ship designs for these factions, is by holding an open-house contest where players provide completed ready to go design models, signing over all rights to Cryptic as soon as they hit 'submit'. If Cryptic aren't willing, or unable, to allocate the resources to ship creation, then the only option is to solicit outside input which saves them having to expend those resources themselves.[/quote]I happen to know the creator... I could always ask him for written permission.
That should clear up the air, right?
Klingons don't get drunk.
They just get less sober.
I happen to know the creator... I could always ask him for written permission.
That should clear up the air, right?
Personally speaking, yes, I would say that it would, but I doubt it would be good enough for the nay-sayers. Then again, I think Cryptic opening themselves up to an ongoing renounced-ownership submissions of completed models, to save themselves the work, is a good idea, so what do I know of such things
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"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
I happen to know the creator... I could always ask him for written permission.
That should clear up the air, right?
Personally speaking, yes, I would say that it would, but I doubt it would be good enough for the nay-sayers. Then again, I think Cryptic opening themselves up to an ongoing renounced-ownership submissions of completed models, to save themselves the work, is a good idea, so what do I know of such things
Thing is, it has to be a 100% compatible model to prevent glitching. It's not like a Sketchup model will be perfect if the standard modeling software they use is 3DSMax.
And yes, there are common file types, such as .STEP files or .DXF files, that allow you to translate a model from one software to another, but more often than not, there is still going to be issues with how the imported file type works, and that's just due to the translation from file-type to file-type. This means opening up each individual file, making sure it works with the system, and tweaking it if it doesn't.
The best analogy I can give you is using two different languages. Simple things are easy to translate between the two. When you get into complex examples, though, there will always be something lost in translation that you have to spend time to make up for.
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Things I want in STO:
1) More character customization options such as more clothing options, letting the toon complexion affect the entire body, not just the head. Also a true RGB color picker applied to all costume and appearance options, which would allow for true appearance customization and homogenous colors instead of "this same exact color looks vastly different on two different pieces."
2) Bridge customization, not bridge packs. Let us pick a general layout and adjust the color palette, console appearance, and chair types, as well as more ready room layout options.
3) Customizable ground weapons, i.e. The aesthetic look of phaser dual pistols but they shoot antiproton bolts. For obvious reasons this would only apply to standard ground weapons.
4) For the love of Q please revamp Plasma Ground Weapons. They look like demented Supersoakers right now.
5) True Vanity Impulse and Deflector effects similar to Vanity Shields.
6) A greater payout for hitting T6 Reputations. Currently it takes more time and resources to get from T5 to T6 than it does to get from nothing to T5. Make that grind really pay out at the end.
7) Mirrorverse Refugee event similar to AoY/Delta/Gamma, complete with new Mirrorverse recruits for all factions.
8) Independent Faction, because yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me!
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I think it would be better if it was named "Custom" or "Freeform" or something, that would clearly indicate it's versatility.
But. The thing which needs to be kept in mind, is that many, if not most, players, come to the game because they want to play Federation. The options and variety of ships available, in my opinion, make rolling a new toon, and repeating the same levels again with different ships, more satisfying than playing new/different missions, with TRIBBLE ships.
Of my nine playable characters, only one is Romulan, and only two are KDF. And of the second KDF, he's an Orion Slaver who never leaves the Vlugta area, and was only rolled KDF, because I wanted to create actual Orions, not Federation Aliengens with green skin, and because I knew that once levelled up to have mining access, the ships available were irrelevant to my use of that character. That's seven instances of where I would rather repeat content with different ships, than play the same content with the same ship and a different toon. Personally, I think that sums it up.
The limits of the KDF and Romulan toon customization also irritates me, in so much as the very minimal color palettes, and the insistence on making Klingon hair 'dreads', rather than simply long and wavy.
I can understand why KDF and Roms get less attention. Doesn't make it any less disappointing, but I can understand it.
That's a really nice ship, but I have seen comments on the forum, where it's been pointed out that licencing rights prevent Cryptic acquiring them. I think the only way Cryptic will get new ship designs for these factions, is by holding an open-house contest where players provide completed ready to go design models, signing over all rights to Cryptic as soon as they hit 'submit'. If Cryptic aren't willing, or unable, to allocate the resources to ship creation, then the only option is to solicit outside input which saves them having to expend those resources themselves.
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
But the challenge of being Klingon is to be there whether they want you or not.
You don't like the ships? Good! A warrior should never be satisfied! Federation dogs beg for more ships. Klingon warriors command the ships they have, and if they find better they take them!
Until you own every ship offered by the High Command, don't come before the council begging like a Federation lapdog for more treats. Be a warrior. Fight with the sword in your hand, not the one you dream of holding one day!
***
All other arguments aside, Cryptic has to count man-hours spent versus income derived. If Klingon faction was a vastly profitable segment of the game's audience Cryptic would bend over backward for them.
I encourage every Klingon faction player who has purchased all the Klingon offerings to start a "We are Klingon" thread showing their solidarity with the faction. Show not only Cryptic but other players too how much they have invested in the game because of its Klingon offerings.
Yes, game development discouraged Klingon faction players, first by having nothing for them to do, then by limiting what they had to do it, but that's done, and now here we are. Where do we go from here?
If you want Cryptic to cater to Klingons you have to demonstrate to Cryptic that you will not simply talk them into investing time and effort just to hear you complain it isn't exactly what you wanted. You have to demonstrate to Cryptic that Klingon stuff will sell. You have to buy everything Klingon they have, and encourage your friends to do so as well.
Option 2: if you don't want or can't afford to buy up the Klingon inventory, perhaps you could engage in a pledge drive.
A pledge drive is where you promise to buy ahead of the offer. For example, players might purchase 1500 Zen, then post their promise to hold that Zen for the purchase of the desired ship, buying the remaining Zen required to purchase the product at the time it becomes available.
The pledger will have to maintain that 1500 Zen unspent for an indefinite time, but doing so will show Cryptic that they have an automatic sale. Enough of those and someone will notice. But if you are unwilling to put your money where your typing fingers are you are unlikely to sway people who are working for their next paycheck.
You could have several specific pledges going on, such as the T6 Vor'cha drive or my own desire for a Hegh'ta science vessel refit.Or you could put it all in one pot. Either way, if Cryptic delivers, you have to complete the deal by buying. Reneg once and you will never be trusted again. These guys have girlfriends, husbands, and babies to keep happy, and that takes money.
I was under the impresson that we agree when we start playing the game, that anything we create, like ship layouts, toon configurations, etc, automatically become Cryptic's property, and that the creative writing stuff also becomes theirs once it gets posted to the forum, so from that perspective, I can't see how it would be any harder to have a ship design contest, where the contestant knows that they're signing over their creative rights? Or, if not a 'contest' as such with a winner, maybe just an ongoing policy of accepting new game-ready models all the time, which removes the competetive aspect? Like I said, if Cryptic won't or can't spend on new designs, if they want to retain player interest in those other factions, outsourcing the KDF/Rom ship designs might be their only option.
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don't forget people doing things like submitting ships from other shows/games. which could get cryptic sued as well.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
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As for the OP's request to shut down ALL Fed ship creation... not gonna happen. Most ships we get now are cross faction bundles, with only a few oddballs like the Hestia, Archon, and Jupiter.
Star Trek is inherently Fed Centric. Meaning Federation has the most exposure for ship design to draw from. So naturally Fed will have more designs. KDF and Romulan have fewer examples of their ship designs to work off of, so it takes longer to extrapolate what an equivalent ship might be.
KDF and Romulans are getting more ships these days, which is a good thing.
Would I like to see a T6 Vor'cha? I wouldn't mind. Might even look pretty good with the Mirror skin on her.
Would I like to see a T6 K'vort? Not really. Its literally just an up-scaled B'rel that appeared in a few episodes of TNG before they made the Vor'cha. Never even saw action in DS9. And frankly making a K'vort would be very lazy due to just scaling up the existing B'rel and calling it a day.
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majQa' Suvwl'
Gesundheit.
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*smacks with fish* it means 'well done, warrior', you inarticulate boob!
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
That said, I would love some more ships for the KDF and Romulans.
I'd love to see them bring out a T6 version of the D5 Raptor.
I'd love to have more than one Romulan bridge to choose from.
I'd love more race options for the Romulans besides Romulan, Reman, Liberated Borg Romulan, and Alien (Hell, I'd love to see a complete cross-factional opening up of character races. You want to be a Human KDF officer? Go that route. You want to be an Orion Romulan Republic officer? Have fun. Reman Starfleet captain? It's all yours).
However, I don't see these happening any time soon because Cryptic has to worry about the bottom line, and the bottom line is primarily fed by Federation toons.
Things I want in STO:
1) More character customization options such as more clothing options, letting the toon complexion affect the entire body, not just the head. Also a true RGB color picker applied to all costume and appearance options, which would allow for true appearance customization and homogenous colors instead of "this same exact color looks vastly different on two different pieces."
2) Bridge customization, not bridge packs. Let us pick a general layout and adjust the color palette, console appearance, and chair types, as well as more ready room layout options.
3) Customizable ground weapons, i.e. The aesthetic look of phaser dual pistols but they shoot antiproton bolts. For obvious reasons this would only apply to standard ground weapons.
4) For the love of Q please revamp Plasma Ground Weapons. They look like demented Supersoakers right now.
5) True Vanity Impulse and Deflector effects similar to Vanity Shields.
6) A greater payout for hitting T6 Reputations. Currently it takes more time and resources to get from T5 to T6 than it does to get from nothing to T5. Make that grind really pay out at the end.
7) Mirrorverse Refugee event similar to AoY/Delta/Gamma, complete with new Mirrorverse recruits for all factions.
8) Independent Faction, because yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me!
you can smell klingons over that puddle the feds left when they thought the competitive rep would have them face warriors of the kdf. you must have very fine senses, I'm impressed.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
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#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Just singling this out as wrong, and so easily-verifiable that you really should have double-checked. The first Lohlunat Festival was initially scheduled to run from June 27th to August 15th of 2013. That's a week longer than any following year including this one, which were all standardized at 6 weeks. See blog here. The first Winter Wonderland was indeed shorter than later ones, by a whopping 3 days. It was initially scheduled at 39 days, compared to the standard 42 of all later events.Another blog for you Similarly, Delta Recruits went from April 2nd to May 21st, and Temporal agent Recruitment went from July 6th to August 24th. Both were seven weeks. Links for Delta and Temporal. The three week events have increased by one per year these pat 2 years, since the Breach Event was added last year, so I guess that you can keep concern trolling about the frequency of events meaning the game is in trouble with that one, since that's all this part of the rant is. This game runs about 28 weeks of scheduled events at approximately the same time every year now. For comparison, that's also approximately how many weeks that DC Universe Online devotes to normal seasonal events every year. I haven't played many other MMOs in recent years, but I'll bet they come pretty close.
In ships that matter now, Tier 6 ones, Klingons and Romulans have roughly 2 faction ships for every 3 that Feds have. Klingons, and especially Romulans, got the short end of the stick in previous tiers, but the developers have been pretty good about keeping things at least close since Tier 6 came out.
Let's play a game called "Put This Logic Into Practice in a Different Field."
I think those fishermen should go fish in the waters that never yield many fish for a year or 5.
I'm sure many others here could come up with similar analogies showing how that doesn't really make sense when the rubber hits the road.
Well, depending on what synonym you use for this word.
I am indeed in disagreement, for sure, considering how it is all about the Federation.
There's far more in the ST universe than the bloody Federation.
This aside, the once enemies get together in the end, thus becoming Federation, and you treat them like not even 2nd grade things. I do not say they have not, but it was not in the same amount of the And if that ship does get a T6 version, it would be in fact yet another NEW ship to the already huge Federation Fleet, and this is what I meant (IF it got done).
What would the two other factions get?
NADA. That's a really nice ship, but I have seen comments on the forum, where it's been pointed out that licencing rights prevent Cryptic acquiring them. I think the only way Cryptic will get new ship designs for these factions, is by holding an open-house contest where players provide completed ready to go design models, signing over all rights to Cryptic as soon as they hit 'submit'. If Cryptic aren't willing, or unable, to allocate the resources to ship creation, then the only option is to solicit outside input which saves them having to expend those resources themselves.[/quote]I happen to know the creator... I could always ask him for written permission.
That should clear up the air, right?
They just get less sober.
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Thing is, it has to be a 100% compatible model to prevent glitching. It's not like a Sketchup model will be perfect if the standard modeling software they use is 3DSMax.
And yes, there are common file types, such as .STEP files or .DXF files, that allow you to translate a model from one software to another, but more often than not, there is still going to be issues with how the imported file type works, and that's just due to the translation from file-type to file-type. This means opening up each individual file, making sure it works with the system, and tweaking it if it doesn't.
The best analogy I can give you is using two different languages. Simple things are easy to translate between the two. When you get into complex examples, though, there will always be something lost in translation that you have to spend time to make up for.
Things I want in STO:
1) More character customization options such as more clothing options, letting the toon complexion affect the entire body, not just the head. Also a true RGB color picker applied to all costume and appearance options, which would allow for true appearance customization and homogenous colors instead of "this same exact color looks vastly different on two different pieces."
2) Bridge customization, not bridge packs. Let us pick a general layout and adjust the color palette, console appearance, and chair types, as well as more ready room layout options.
3) Customizable ground weapons, i.e. The aesthetic look of phaser dual pistols but they shoot antiproton bolts. For obvious reasons this would only apply to standard ground weapons.
4) For the love of Q please revamp Plasma Ground Weapons. They look like demented Supersoakers right now.
5) True Vanity Impulse and Deflector effects similar to Vanity Shields.
6) A greater payout for hitting T6 Reputations. Currently it takes more time and resources to get from T5 to T6 than it does to get from nothing to T5. Make that grind really pay out at the end.
7) Mirrorverse Refugee event similar to AoY/Delta/Gamma, complete with new Mirrorverse recruits for all factions.
8) Independent Faction, because yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me!