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The Feds and their requests: KDF and Rom limp further and further back...

kikskenkiksken Member Posts: 664 Arc User
Although the Feds have far more vessels that both the KDF or the Roms, they keep asking for ships, or to make t6 versions of their older ones.

Several times in the past, it was said that the two other factions are behind, that both factions could have some attention, but this basically is ignored.

The Feds have I think as many as ships as both the KDF and Rom have together.

It's truly time the Feds will be ignored for a year or 5, so both other factions, if STO is willing, can begin a catch up period.
Which we surely need.
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  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    Never gonna happen... unless the majority of the playerbase switch to KDF or ROM. Cryptic puts their efforts where the $$$ is.
  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 11,017 Community Moderator
    Well, I'm sure this is one I'm going to have to watch. :smirk:
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  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,215 Arc User
    Star Trek was always about the Federation as the main focus, why would they focus more on what are generally enemy factions of the shows?
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  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    edited June 2017
    Op i wish KDF an Roms got some love but like @dracounguis said wont happen, cryptic is gonna pay attention where they make the most cash sadly thats not the Roms or KDF.
  • kikskenkiksken Member Posts: 664 Arc User
    Since we Klinks need new ships: let me suggest the Klingon D-70 Khin'Vagh Class Battleship:
    D-70 Khin-Vagh class
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    I would suggest a Tier 6 Vor'Cha.


    Forget the idea that Klingons and Romulans will ever have as many ships as the Federation. Unless you can create a lot more Klingon and Romulan exclusive players that buy ships like crazy, it is not going to happen.

    The best thnig you can hope for is that Cryptic stays on target with the cross faction packs and keeps the number of faction-specific out-of-band releases (like the Tier 6 Excelsior) to a minimum.
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  • kikskenkiksken Member Posts: 664 Arc User
    I believe, if Cryptic would pay some attention to both KDF and Roms, more people would play them.
    The sheer lack of everything makes them unwanted.

    And let's be very honest: save for Picard the Federation consists of fools. :P
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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 11,017 Community Moderator
    OP, you're coming across as very antagonistic. I'd suggest toning down your rhetoric.
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    kiksken wrote: »
    I believe, if Cryptic would pay some attention to both KDF and Roms, more people would play them.
    That is not something I believe. Cryptic has paid some attention to both KDF and Roms. They build a complete expansion around the Romulans and added a large amount of Klingon story content to the game. They did put considerably focus on the Klingons in the Iconian War arc, and also on the Romulans. They got Klingon alumni like Michael Dorn and Tony Todd aboard to reprise their roles.

    If people started playing KDF (or Romulans) in droves after these content additions, I suspect there is not actually a bigger, hidden market to chase after - certainly not one that can be captured as easily as the Federation market.

    The forums pretty much show this trend, too. You see all those requests for Novas, Lunas, [obscure Federation Ship shown in on e background] [obscure Federation kitbash] and what not are a much more common requests than for a Tier 6 Vo'Quv (long overdue, absolutely ridicilous that the faction that used to have Carriers as an exclusive perk still hasn't a Tier 6 C-Store option) or the Tier 6 Vor'Cha (a canonical Klingon ship!).
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  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,396 Arc User
    It should be noted that even in the series themselves Federation had a lot more designs avaible then KDF and RSE put together, you had what, 4 semi-common KDF designs, D-7/K'tinga (yes I know they're not identical), Vor'cha, the BoP and Negh'var and 2 RSE designs the D'Deredix and the small science vessel.

    for Starfleet you had GCS, Excelsior, Miranda (and it's variants), Ambassador, Akira, Intrepid, Defiant, Promethius and Oberth that all appeared fairly regulary and there's also loads of 1-off ships for SF Crypic can draw from.

    Most KDF or rom designs that aren't the above mentioned were things Crypic had to make from scratch or close enough, you can add the BoPs and Scimitar from Romulans as ships that were in canon from cap ship. I can think of only the raptor as a KDF design that was in canon and I've not mentioned yet.

    That's major threshold to overcome, in essense UFP side has plenty of designs people like and want to see in the game so they can tolerate a new design they don't like if it means they use their favorite ship in end game, while new KDF or ROM designs are utterly untested or the 1000000000th copy or either the bird of prey or the double D.
  • ussvaliant#6064 ussvaliant Member Posts: 1,006 Arc User
    Klingons are missing a T6 Vor'cha Why ? That's a pretty big miss seeings as the ship has appeared in TNG/DS9/VOY & ENT thats 4 yes 4 Star Trek franchises.

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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    kiksken wrote: »
    I believe, if Cryptic would pay some attention to both KDF and Roms, more people would play them.
    That is not something I believe. Cryptic has paid some attention to both KDF and Roms. They build a complete expansion around the Romulans and added a large amount of Klingon story content to the game. They did put considerably focus on the Klingons in the Iconian War arc, and also on the Romulans. They got Klingon alumni like Michael Dorn and Tony Todd aboard to reprise their roles.

    If people started playing KDF (or Romulans) in droves after these content additions, I suspect there is not actually a bigger, hidden market to chase after - certainly not one that can be captured as easily as the Federation market.
    The klingon and romulan ship markets would be just as big as the Federation ship market, if Cryptic didn't artificially restrict them to players of specific origin stories.
  • nimbullnimbull Member Posts: 1,566 Arc User
    Look at the bright side. In spite of past history at least Cryptic has in VERY recent history started releasing ships equally with the science bundle, light cruiser bundle, and such. They still have a LOT of ground to make up though for KDF and Romulans as far as ships and with bridge packs they really have a lot more ground to make up for with Romulans.
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    warpangel wrote: »
    kiksken wrote: »
    I believe, if Cryptic would pay some attention to both KDF and Roms, more people would play them.
    That is not something I believe. Cryptic has paid some attention to both KDF and Roms. They build a complete expansion around the Romulans and added a large amount of Klingon story content to the game. They did put considerably focus on the Klingons in the Iconian War arc, and also on the Romulans. They got Klingon alumni like Michael Dorn and Tony Todd aboard to reprise their roles.

    If people started playing KDF (or Romulans) in droves after these content additions, I suspect there is not actually a bigger, hidden market to chase after - certainly not one that can be captured as easily as the Federation market.
    The klingon and romulan ship markets would be just as big as the Federation ship market, if Cryptic didn't artificially restrict them to players of specific origin stories.

    Well, that is the alternative. Forgoe the faction locking of ships. But there are people that don't like this (often people that still want to have more ships of their faction).


    Maybe they could do also a lot if they had included human as race option the KDF and RR factions. (Well, for the Romulans, maybe elves would have sufficed.)
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    warpangel wrote: »
    kiksken wrote: »
    I believe, if Cryptic would pay some attention to both KDF and Roms, more people would play them.
    That is not something I believe. Cryptic has paid some attention to both KDF and Roms. They build a complete expansion around the Romulans and added a large amount of Klingon story content to the game. They did put considerably focus on the Klingons in the Iconian War arc, and also on the Romulans. They got Klingon alumni like Michael Dorn and Tony Todd aboard to reprise their roles.

    If people started playing KDF (or Romulans) in droves after these content additions, I suspect there is not actually a bigger, hidden market to chase after - certainly not one that can be captured as easily as the Federation market.
    The klingon and romulan ship markets would be just as big as the Federation ship market, if Cryptic didn't artificially restrict them to players of specific origin stories.

    Well, that is the alternative. Forgoe the faction locking of ships. But there are people that don't like this (often people that still want to have more ships of their faction).
    People want all kinds of things.
    Maybe they could do also a lot if they had included human as race option the KDF and RR factions. (Well, for the Romulans, maybe elves would have sufficed.)
    Alien can be almost any species.

    Even elves.
  • szimszim Member Posts: 2,503 Arc User
    The old "chicken and the egg" question. Is 'nobody' playing KDF and RR because there are less ship options or are there less ship options because 'nobody' is playing as a Klingon or Romulan character?

    Fact is, Cryptic has tried to boost the KDF faction in the past by giving them story missions starting from lvl 1 as well as their own tutorial and starter ships. And they have plenty of experience with how well new Klingon and Romulan ships are selling.

    I doubt there will ever be another unique KDF ship that doesn't have its counterpart on the Fed side. That way they only have to create one starship trait and one new console.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    warpangel wrote: »
    warpangel wrote: »
    kiksken wrote: »
    I believe, if Cryptic would pay some attention to both KDF and Roms, more people would play them.
    That is not something I believe. Cryptic has paid some attention to both KDF and Roms. They build a complete expansion around the Romulans and added a large amount of Klingon story content to the game. They did put considerably focus on the Klingons in the Iconian War arc, and also on the Romulans. They got Klingon alumni like Michael Dorn and Tony Todd aboard to reprise their roles.

    If people started playing KDF (or Romulans) in droves after these content additions, I suspect there is not actually a bigger, hidden market to chase after - certainly not one that can be captured as easily as the Federation market.
    The klingon and romulan ship markets would be just as big as the Federation ship market, if Cryptic didn't artificially restrict them to players of specific origin stories.

    Well, that is the alternative. Forgoe the faction locking of ships. But there are people that don't like this (often people that still want to have more ships of their faction).
    People want all kinds of things.
    Maybe they could do also a lot if they had included human as race option the KDF and RR factions. (Well, for the Romulans, maybe elves would have sufficed.)
    Alien can be almost any species.

    Even elves.
    I suspect that new players will not necessarily realize that, or feel that it's "real" Humans then. I think the default alien models are all non-human, too, so someone looking for human would not notice that Alien could cover that species.
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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,502 Arc User
    kiksken wrote: »
    Although the Feds have far more vessels that both the KDF or the Roms, they keep asking for ships, or to make t6 versions of their older ones.

    Several times in the past, it was said that the two other factions are behind, that both factions could have some attention, but this basically is ignored.

    The Feds have I think as many as ships as both the KDF and Rom have together.

    It's truly time the Feds will be ignored for a year or 5, so both other factions, if STO is willing, can begin a catch up period.
    Which we surely need.

    Like it or not, but the feds are the largest part of the active players and thus the greatest source of income so they will not be ignored.

    Added to that there is the fact that the KDF and Romulans have made a significant comeback with the recent all faction packs so anyone who states that the KDF and Romulans are falling behind is living in the past and needs a significant dose of reality pumped into him/her.
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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 11,017 Community Moderator
    questerius wrote: »
    Like it or not, but the feds are the largest part of the active players and thus the greatest source of income so they will not be ignored.

    Added to that there is the fact that the KDF and Romulans have made a significant comeback with the recent all faction packs so anyone who states that the KDF and Romulans are falling behind is living in the past and needs a significant dose of reality pumped into him/her.

    The OP has an unrealistic expectation that FED ship development be halted and KDF/ROM ship development concentrated on exclusively in order to achieve parity in number. The way things are going now with cross Faction ship 3/9 packs is the best we're going to get, I believe, and that's not bad, so I'll take it.
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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,502 Arc User
    Well, I'm sure this is one I'm going to have to watch. :smirk:

    I will try to keep my sarcasm to a bare minimum.
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
  • ironmakoironmako Member Posts: 770 Arc User
    I'm not sure why people don't use KDF or RR more often. Most of the RR ships have battlecloaks as standard, and you have all of the canon ships/weapons/outifts. With KDF, you can get all of the canon ships/weapons/outfits as well. I'm not sure why people think they are being "left behind" because in reality, if you want to play a canon klink or a rom, you have everything there. My only issue for meis New Romulus. When LoR launched, we were given a tour of New Romulus, including seeing the areas likethe lower levels for Remans, yet here we are, years later, and NOTHING has changed on New Romulus. How bloody long does it take to set up a colony???
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  • staq16staq16 Member Posts: 1,181 Arc User
    I'd seriously disagree with the initial proposition; AoY ships aside, the KDF and RR have had something approaching parity with the Feds since Delta Rising. The only glaring omission is the shortage of faction-specific Temporal starships, and since the rebalance that's not half the issue it was. Otherwise, there's a ship for pretty much every occasion except a carrier - and frankly the Fed Jupiter is nothing to write home about.

    I'm certainly swimming in more KDF ships than I know what to do with....
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