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PVP reputation system with new queue maps, perhaps team objectives, a fun rep system with pvp oriented gear or consumables; good idea? yay? nay?
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In theory it MIGHT generate some interest, but the bottom line is that it would be like Call of Duty, with no way to actually match players against others of equivalent skill and gear, so we would have PvP Rookies going up against Veterans. And there are builds out there capable of nuking everything short of a Zombie Cruiser in a single pass.
Until they can address the inherent issues with PvP as it stands, I don't see a rep track as viable.
The lack of rewards is the major downside for me in PvP. Such a rep could change that a bit and also introduce some dedicated PvP gear which, as must haves, could function as nullifier for all the thousand and one abilities in game PvPer judge broken and unfair.
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^ This. And also the fact that i couldn't care less about PvP in general anyway.
There's enough boring PvE content to keep the ISA crew happy for another 5 years. The last thing we need is another queue that will be ditched in a couple of months when people come up with a mindless way to do it.
Before DR PvP rarely got boring. It was always exciting for those that bothered to do some research into how to build ships and fight something other than a group office DPS sponges.
A well geared PvP rep to tear down the learning wall (curve isn't a strong enough word, but then some research was all you needed before DR) and some content other than arena and a small C&H map would probably bring back a great number of players and revive the community.
P.S. Bring the kilngons back and not the KDF kittens we have now story-wise.
Besides, all current equipment is for PvE predominantly but it's also used by PvE's deranged cousin PvP.
Specific equipment designed solely to overcome the powercreep and the learning curve of PvP to ease players into it would be beneficial.
PvE has had 8 years of attention, dedicated content, equipment and attention by the Devs. Stop complaining and let PvP get something for once because it's been needing it for 8 years.
Not true. You are attributing the wrong "logic." You can grind up dills to exchange for zen and buy in-game content. My objection is to granting human players the ability to exclude each other from gear and/or content of any kind. Even if the PvP rep marks are awarded as participation trophies where you get some whether you win or lose, there is far too much potential for abusive players to make it such a miserable experience for others as to effectively lock them out of it.
An example of this could be of a large world that had once been home to several races, but thru acts of war, as well as pollution the groups had to evacuate off world to several large moon that orbit the world. Even after the the evacuation these groups kept fighting, but now they are seeking aid from other forces to help resettle their world as the damage done in the past begin to fade, or they have began to develop ways of fixing what they had done in the past. The conflict could be done in that all of the groups want to fix the world, but each wants complete ownership worrying the others might ruin the world again.
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Regarding a PVP Reputation, I want rewards for PVP but a Reputation System is another wall of entry. It's already a problem we got Tier 6, Tier 6 Lockbox, Tier 6 Lobi, Epic Gold Plated Ships, etc that some have, but now a PVP Reputation System is another wall to stomp new PVPers with.
I hope they make it something optional in that case, because many players do not want anything to do with PvP. If the confirmed PvPers want to bother with it, then good for them, and i wish them all the fun in the quadrant.
But mandatory PvP to progress in the storyline, or whatever essential aspect of the game, is a total NO. Many of us find no amusement in PvP, and are actually bothered by the level of pestilence/trolling that can occasionally arise between certain PvPers. Hence why PvP should not be forced onto anyone, at any rate.
Agreed.
It could be fun to have something like a PvP reputation for a change, but I would be fine with not having it too.
The fear of veteran PvPers coming in and ruining the day is getting old now. There's a handful left. If players want to try it out without veteran players who know all the tricks of the trade and would happily share their knowledge and experience getting involved, is to avoid PvPing in the odd weekend the 10 or so veterans decide to get together.
If half the PvE community were to roll into Ker'rat, or joined the PvP queues for a month, it'd outnumber the PvP community by 100-150:1. And there would be no one to fight in Ker'rat because theres hardly any Klingon PvPers left.
The idea of a PvP rep suggests that you earn the rep marks by competing in PvP missions, and by extension that other players might somehow interfere with your ability to do so, or make it so unenjoyable that you do not bother.
Not so much a "fear" as a limit to how much aggravation people will tolerate to feed yet another reputation. And whether or not it is "old" does not speak to whether it is valid.
Lore-wise, make it a 'training exercise' like a war game (since we are allies now) So it doesn't matter what faction you are sided with.
They could have it run by the Zakdorn. And like in the TNG Episode Peak Performance , The Alliance felt the need to 'hone their tactical skills' after the losses suffered during the Iconian War.
Participation would be the only thing required to gain Reputation. Win or lose your will Fleet gain marks (but you get more for winning against a Higher-ranked Fleet). You never lose marks.
There should be a Ranking board in the social Hubs.
Marks determine Ranking, and at the end of a quarter, The Fleet with the highest total get some sorta of reward (like a scaling title like Wargames victor, then 2-time Wargames Victor..etc) and something in their starbase like a hanging banner
The Marks are then reset.
This wouldn't be about getting l33t gear, it would be about prestige (and e-peen i guess)
Of course this would need some fine-tuning to prevent exploiting. (like Armada members fighting each other and letting each other win and what-not)
Individual Wins count, but Team wins obviously are worth more. (esp. if they are all in the same Fleet)
Those not in a Fleet can participate too, they can ally themselves to a Fleet. (but they must stay allied with that Fleet throughout the cycle)
Gear-wise, I would say they should add PVP weapons of each energy type. No modifiers. Sorta like in the episode mentioned above. Simulated damage.
but the re-balancing might make this unnecessary.
I was thinking about this when I was watching TNG and saw the above mentioned episode. I was also thinking how annoying Pulaski was. (no offense to Diana Muldaur, she is a great actress.)
yah know..just a thought
There is a handful left that could "interfere" and if, like I said, half the PvE community started PvPing, the chances of running into them would be low.
From personal experience, I've been insulted and challenged more often in PvE queues for not having "enough DPS" (even though I had 30k+ at the time which is more than enough to complete any stf if the more prominent members of the PvE community were willing to try teamwork instead of spacebar-barbie-hero) than I have in PvP by idiots. Especially with the balance changes coming:
If you don't want to get ganked - go to Ker'rat and play FED
If you want to beat a rare veteran PvPer - use communication and teamwork to take them down.
If you don't want to have a horrible time get better (like you would if you were in a new stf) - go to the PvP forum and look up builds and tactics.
I understand what you mean and your worry about the idiots in PvP that will likely return if the community returns. But there are way more nice people in PvP than there are idiots (just like in the DPS leagues). And the idiots get ganked and rage-quit way more than the good/decent PvPers.
Which is able to be done thru many avenues, not merely full loot pvp that runs more players off than brings them in, for gaining better gear thru pvp content. There is a reason that full-loot pvp is a very small sub-set even of a small genre like pvp oriented games. Also just because you don't like the direction that mmos have taken, does not make it something that ruined the genre other than for you specifically an a small group of players.
Well if you mean taking what was a small niche type of gaming, and then building it into a much more accepted genre, than yeah ruined it. The type of pvp you want an think is the only type of pvp is merely your own skewed version of pvp, but there is alot more types of pvp that draw much more players to a game than merely the full-loot variety. Using a pvp rep system that has you gain rep with different factions in the game by taking part in different battle-grounds, and as you level up thru the rep gives you access to more gear an traits that can improve your character for your participation.
An as a pvp that has been thru many games, and versions of pvp. I personally myself, as well as many people i played with did not just pvp for gear. We did it for factional pride, just for the enjoyment of fighting other players that gave better challenge than the pve content at the time, and as a way of winding down from raiding or doing other aspects of the game. Don't try an tell other what the point of a mmo is like you somehow own the right to tell others, and are a form of expert whos opinion matters more than the next person's opinion or reason.
No. Your fun makes everyone else's fun wrong by default.