and how many console slots does that leave for anything, you know...
useful?
I'll stand by my statement-the Bort is bad because you have to spend a fortune to make it mediocre.
I'm not going to debate it with you. You don't like the T5 or the T6 Bortas, and that's fine. You have an image of what a Klingon ship "should" be, and that is also fine. Klingons have gone through a couple of iterations in the shows and movies. They've gone through yet another change here in STO. The Flagships don't need any significant investment to be excellent dual heavy cannon ships.
and how many console slots does that leave for anything, you know...
useful?
I'll stand by my statement-the Bort is bad because you have to spend a fortune to make it mediocre.
I'm not going to debate it with you. You don't like the T5 or the T6 Bortas, and that's fine. You have an image of what a Klingon ship "should" be, and that is also fine. Klingons have gone through a couple of iterations in the shows and movies. They've gone through yet another change here in STO. The Flagships don't need any significant investment to be excellent dual heavy cannon ships.
Vor'Cha, Negh'Var, D-7/K'T'Inga, Qib are all AMAZING narrow arc battle cruisers without any investment to make them better. Look up their turn rates. That is why they are absolutely great battle cruisers with whatever build style you throw at them: Narrow arc or wide area focus. Even the Lv40 "dil" / free ship token Vor'Cha, Negh'Var, the T5 Fleet Vor'Cha we were face raeping Feds in PVP with while using DHCs. This isn't like PVE where NPCs barely move, this was PVP where Escorts would be zooming fast, Bugships ruled the Escort world, etc. The Klingon Battle Cruisers had traditionally been AMAZING platforms for narrow arc weapons.
Except for the Bortasqu'. Flying a Bortasqu' in a narrow arc build (i.e. DC/DHC, etc) is an exercise in patience and you have to devote build space to make them go from "Horribly Bad" handling to "Still Pretty D--n Bad" platforms for such a build.
While I've no complains about the Klingon design, it really should've been a Gorn styled ship imo
I must admit I assumed the Naj'sov came with a cloak when I bought it. KDF designed ships are supposed to have them. I forgot about DHC compatibility.
I figured it was just a bug or oversight, the missing cloak. I spent several minutes fruitlessly trying to find it in my list of clicky powers. I gave up disappointed, figured it was just a bug.
But as someone pointed out, with in game description text missing for cloak and DHC compatibility it seems the KDF ship is the worst of the bunch. Aside from very minor turn rate plus hull and shield HP tweaks, it's just the Nebula in a Klingon skin
I would have preferred a gorn design myself but I'm fine with a klink one, its time they got a native sci ship. Kinda like how my Roms have tossed out the temporal science ship or Krenim science ship in favor of a native science warbird.
feels good to have my characters back in WARBIRDS... do kinda miss that hangar tho
I'm still slightly bemused that it took like 4 pages of people bickering with each other about whether this was a bug or not when it clearly was.
This wouldn't be the first time a ship in Trek left drydock without all of its working parts (though I guess we'll have to wait a bit longer than Tuesday to get our cloaking devices running.)
The ship is supposed to have a cloak. We're looking into the bug.
What about the missing Tier 6 Klingon material and the inability to use cannons?
While the material glitch sounds legit, the cannon part probably sounds intentional. Even in the stats page for it on the STO front page list a Cloaking Device, but make no mention of the ability to mount dual cannons.
Being that it is a research vessel, it probably isn't supposed to have access to them. Very few science-heavy ships have access to heavy weaponry to begin with, so this shouldn't come as a surprise.
look at it this way... at absolute worst, even if you have to flip sh it over the lack of cloak and/or cannons, you bought a ship that's a slap in the face of Gecko's comments about science and/or klingon not selling
That's one of the prime reasons for me buying the bundle. I want them to release ships for all factions.
The ship is supposed to have a cloak. We're looking into the bug.
Lovely, thanks for chiming in. May you help in finding/fixing many more bugs in the future.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
The ship is supposed to have a cloak. We're looking into the bug.
Thank you !
And now folks please stop the whining. Accept your challenge as Klingons and show the Feds what can be done with this ship. At least I found my built for the Naj'sov. Disruptor death mixed with... lets just say it's like an Amarr Curse in the good old days.
The ship is supposed to have a cloak. We're looking into the bug.
Good news.
Now on to the next ermagerd crisis!
((psst! Don't forget to fix the description at the shipyard too. The blog will fade, the in-game description is always there staring customers in the face.))
My KDF alts, all 2 of them: "/em Lets out a big sigh of relief... The honour of the Empire was upheld!" And now there would definitely be a 3rd.
My Ferengi sci flying his Sutherland: "Well, there goes my scheme... Number One, please stow those torches, pitchforks and "For sale! Limited time!" signs somewhere inconspicuous. We may still get rich selling them later."
The ship is supposed to have a cloak. We're looking into the bug.
Well there you go. I was resigned to not ever buying the Naj'sov, as irrational or not for a science vessel a Klingon ship without a cloak was going to be a deal breaker for me.
(You don't really need cloak on a science vessel. For most of the things an SV does, a cloak is a hindrance rather than a help. But it scratches an itch I've had for a long time now. And by this time one does pretty much expect a Klingon ship to have a cloak.)
I'm still slightly bemused that it took like 4 pages of people bickering with each other about whether this was a bug or not when it clearly was.
You shouldn't be. It was immediately obvious this thread was made to complain rather than report a bug.
Also shouldn't be surprised when the KDF victim complex picks up again, on the subject of if and when they'll fix the bug.
I have the ship and it was an obvious bug, what i dont know if its WAI on its cannons, truly there is no problem if it cannot use them, but that would be new..
Let's face it: the kamarag was always the red headed step child of the vorcha family ;p.
Qa'pla to our new community manager as he was able to protect the kdf shipyard from the nausicaan mercenaries the feds had hired to plunder the cloaking technology from our new research ship. A statue will be erected to honor him in the klingon hall of heroes and get me 100 barrels of the finest blood wine delivered to quarks!
As to my knowledge when LoR came out and then shortly after we got a costume unlock for the c-store b'rel of those lt ranked ships parts. How many years has it been now and they haven't fixed the costume for the fleet b'rel or able to use it for the T6 Kor lol.
Would have made some sales increase for this if they followed the model from the nebula and its grid. So the Klingon one would help cloak a fleet and have battle cloak and/or just that ability to cloak a certain amount of ships. Then romulan one they could have done something where take a fleet out of phase.
IMHO a standard cloak should be what a battle cloak is but with the standard 20 or maybe even a little more its good for getting position without an npc adjusting itself to compensate with the AI it has even though its not that much of a challenge the way it is. Also I am not a game developer or designer but even I can depict that it does not make sense to have a cloak where you need to go a gazillion km from your enemy to get out of combat then to recloak or have a tachyon grid for detecting stealthed enemies when our enemies do not have anything where they ever are cloaked or hidden. Only suggestion I could make though on these ships to make them useful is update the voth for it to be useful against them, house of torg and fek'ihr are still out there as well as other cloak technological entities.
So quick summary.
1. Fix broken things and not things that were not broken to begin with by adding them to broken list or swept under carpet.
2. Update how cloaks work to where in droopy voice oh great another standard cloak to yippee it has a cloak!
3. When designing or coming out with new content a helpful reminder to maybe make things that have no use have a use?(Remove the pi canis sortie missions since the fed war is now over and maybe replace them with ones all over the alpha and beta quadrants taking out true way, house of torg, fek'ihr etc?)
I could go on but yeah the easiest things to do and people want you have to bend over backwards for years before they ever take notice :P
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Vor'Cha, Negh'Var, D-7/K'T'Inga, Qib are all AMAZING narrow arc battle cruisers without any investment to make them better. Look up their turn rates. That is why they are absolutely great battle cruisers with whatever build style you throw at them: Narrow arc or wide area focus. Even the Lv40 "dil" / free ship token Vor'Cha, Negh'Var, the T5 Fleet Vor'Cha we were face raeping Feds in PVP with while using DHCs. This isn't like PVE where NPCs barely move, this was PVP where Escorts would be zooming fast, Bugships ruled the Escort world, etc. The Klingon Battle Cruisers had traditionally been AMAZING platforms for narrow arc weapons.
Except for the Bortasqu'. Flying a Bortasqu' in a narrow arc build (i.e. DC/DHC, etc) is an exercise in patience and you have to devote build space to make them go from "Horribly Bad" handling to "Still Pretty D--n Bad" platforms for such a build.
I must admit I assumed the Naj'sov came with a cloak when I bought it. KDF designed ships are supposed to have them. I forgot about DHC compatibility.
I figured it was just a bug or oversight, the missing cloak. I spent several minutes fruitlessly trying to find it in my list of clicky powers. I gave up disappointed, figured it was just a bug.
But as someone pointed out, with in game description text missing for cloak and DHC compatibility it seems the KDF ship is the worst of the bunch. Aside from very minor turn rate plus hull and shield HP tweaks, it's just the Nebula in a Klingon skin
feels good to have my characters back in WARBIRDS... do kinda miss that hangar tho
They were awesome at FaW spam even before FaW spam was a thing.
The ship is supposed to have a cloak. We're looking into the bug.
I knew it was a good sign to have a Klingon Community Manager!
I bet.
Shame it had to go on for days, though.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
This wouldn't be the first time a ship in Trek left drydock without all of its working parts (though I guess we'll have to wait a bit longer than Tuesday to get our cloaking devices running.)
Thank you!
Qapla'!
What about the missing Tier 6 Klingon material and the inability to use cannons?
Mustrum "I don't want to appear greedy but I am" Ridcully
While the material glitch sounds legit, the cannon part probably sounds intentional. Even in the stats page for it on the STO front page list a Cloaking Device, but make no mention of the ability to mount dual cannons.
Being that it is a research vessel, it probably isn't supposed to have access to them. Very few science-heavy ships have access to heavy weaponry to begin with, so this shouldn't come as a surprise.
That's one of the prime reasons for me buying the bundle. I want them to release ships for all factions.
Lovely, thanks for chiming in. May you help in finding/fixing many more bugs in the future.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
Nice! Thank you for clarifying this for us.
Great.
Now what about cannons? It seems most other KDF ship can mount those weapons.
Thank you !
And now folks please stop the whining. Accept your challenge as Klingons and show the Feds what can be done with this ship. At least I found my built for the Naj'sov. Disruptor death mixed with... lets just say it's like an Amarr Curse in the good old days.
Good news.
Now on to the next ermagerd crisis!
((psst! Don't forget to fix the description at the shipyard too. The blog will fade, the in-game description is always there staring customers in the face.))
My Ferengi sci flying his Sutherland: "Well, there goes my scheme... Number One, please stow those torches, pitchforks and "For sale! Limited time!" signs somewhere inconspicuous. We may still get rich selling them later."
Well there you go. I was resigned to not ever buying the Naj'sov, as irrational or not for a science vessel a Klingon ship without a cloak was going to be a deal breaker for me.
(You don't really need cloak on a science vessel. For most of the things an SV does, a cloak is a hindrance rather than a help. But it scratches an itch I've had for a long time now. And by this time one does pretty much expect a Klingon ship to have a cloak.)
more importantly THANK YOU for communicating
Also shouldn't be surprised when the KDF victim complex picks up again, on the subject of if and when they'll fix the bug.
I have the ship and it was an obvious bug, what i dont know if its WAI on its cannons, truly there is no problem if it cannot use them, but that would be new..
No love for the Kamarag?
Well, I guess vaadwaur ploarons are also an option.
Qa'pla to our new community manager as he was able to protect the kdf shipyard from the nausicaan mercenaries the feds had hired to plunder the cloaking technology from our new research ship. A statue will be erected to honor him in the klingon hall of heroes and get me 100 barrels of the finest blood wine delivered to quarks!
As to my knowledge when LoR came out and then shortly after we got a costume unlock for the c-store b'rel of those lt ranked ships parts. How many years has it been now and they haven't fixed the costume for the fleet b'rel or able to use it for the T6 Kor lol.
Would have made some sales increase for this if they followed the model from the nebula and its grid. So the Klingon one would help cloak a fleet and have battle cloak and/or just that ability to cloak a certain amount of ships. Then romulan one they could have done something where take a fleet out of phase.
IMHO a standard cloak should be what a battle cloak is but with the standard 20 or maybe even a little more its good for getting position without an npc adjusting itself to compensate with the AI it has even though its not that much of a challenge the way it is. Also I am not a game developer or designer but even I can depict that it does not make sense to have a cloak where you need to go a gazillion km from your enemy to get out of combat then to recloak or have a tachyon grid for detecting stealthed enemies when our enemies do not have anything where they ever are cloaked or hidden. Only suggestion I could make though on these ships to make them useful is update the voth for it to be useful against them, house of torg and fek'ihr are still out there as well as other cloak technological entities.
So quick summary.
1. Fix broken things and not things that were not broken to begin with by adding them to broken list or swept under carpet.
2. Update how cloaks work to where in droopy voice oh great another standard cloak to yippee it has a cloak!
3. When designing or coming out with new content a helpful reminder to maybe make things that have no use have a use?(Remove the pi canis sortie missions since the fed war is now over and maybe replace them with ones all over the alpha and beta quadrants taking out true way, house of torg, fek'ihr etc?)
I could go on but yeah the easiest things to do and people want you have to bend over backwards for years before they ever take notice :P
He is honorable in his admission. You have to risk wounds if you are going to enter combat.
Qapla'!