So... now for the sarcasm... what bad ship touched you? A D'Deridex?
This was me shortly after I started playing. "Those Klingon Front missions were pretty easy. What more threat could the Romulans possibly be?" It traumatized me so much that I get nervous to this day leaving spacedock after about level 20 if I don't have a way to fit Polarize Hull on my ship.
This is an MMO, not a Star Trek episode simulator. That would make for a terrible game.
For starters. I'll "refrain" from posting here when they actually fix this game! Second, I was literally held in a tractor beam by ONE ship a good part of the Crystaline Entity TF. By the time it occured to this game to "release me" the entity was almost dead. I was held when it was a better part of 80%! We all know it takes a bit to kill the entity. Hense my complaint.
I just did a Starbase Fleet Defense. I literally watch my hull start droping with 100% shields! And for once, it wasn't from a Plasma Fire. Then on top of it my shields where being drained from what appeared to be THIN AIR.
How can I not claim foul with all this happening?
I say again, I will "REFRAIN" from posting on the forum when they fix this game! Because the bug report way yields no results. Maybe if I make enough noise, the dev's will actually fix something! Instead of makeing things worse. It's not rocket science.
How can anyone claim this game is "easy" when basic player commands get ignored. Not only do you have to fight the NPC's, but also the game itself.
They don't need to fix the game -- YOU need to learn how to utilize the ship and its capabilities...
What you're describing happens to Everyone All The Time... And everyone learned how to counter it...
By all means, keep posting... If you make enough noise, people will just start ignoring you...
You might think you're making reasonable points, but you're not... You're just showing everyone how embarassingly bad you are... Jim Kirk, Will Riker, no, you're a wingeing Wesley... That hot bridge officer you were hitting on, they just walked off with someone else... If you were on a Klingon ship, you'd have a knife in your ribs from an underling wanting a promotion...
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I just did a Starbase Fleet Defense. I literally watch my hull start droping with 100% shields! And for once, it wasn't from a Plasma Fire. Then on top of it my shields where being drained from what appeared to be THIN AIR.
Probably would have more meaning if you specified who the attackers were. Part of that sounds like a transphasic or similar with high Shield Penetration; the other could be Tachyon Beam or a Tractor Beam with shield drain ability.
"If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross; but it's not for the timid." -- Q, TNG: "Q-Who?"
^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
OP, learn to adapt. As other posters have said, stay 5-6km out from your target and hammer away at long range
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-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
For starters. I'll "refrain" from posting here when they actually fix this game! Second, I was literally held in a tractor beam by ONE ship a good part of the Crystaline Entity TF. By the time it occured to this game to "release me" the entity was almost dead. I was held when it was a better part of 80%! We all know it takes a bit to kill the entity. Hense my complaint. I just did a Starbase Fleet Defense. I literally watch my hull start droping with 100% shields! And for once, it wasn't from a Plasma Fire. Then on top of it my shields where being drained from what appeared to be THIN AIR.
How can I not claim foul with all this happening?
I say again, I will "REFRAIN" from posting on the forum when they fix this game! Because the bug report way yields no results. Maybe if I make enough noise, the dev's will actually fix something! Instead of makeing things worse. It's not rocket science.
How can anyone claim this game is "easy" when basic player commands get ignored. Not only do you have to fight the NPC's, but also the game itself.
That's due to something called SPACE MAGIC, or what some people refer to as exotic damage which totally ignores shields.
As for shields draining out of "Thin Air", it could be something you did not notice especially if there is a lot of eye candy popping around you. However, it could be something that the graphic engine not rendering. That happened in the past were there were a lot of eye witnesses to the fact that the Borg were firing invisible torpedoes for a short period of time.
I like the fact that the Crystalline Entity can now debuff the player such as low turn rates since it makes the mission more challenging. Like I said, last year... Crystalline Cataclysm should replace the regular Crystalline Catastrophe mission and a new mission should be developed for the Crystalline Cataclysm Event.
Every single ship of mine has a copy of polarize hull and a copy of attack pattern omega. I would consider those the minimum for anti-hold abilities. I thought you needed to spend points in pilot spec to get evasive maneuvers to break tractor lock, but I usually do that, too.
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So... now for the sarcasm... what bad ship touched you? A D'Deridex?
This was me shortly after I started playing. "Those Klingon Front missions were pretty easy. What more threat could the Romulans possibly be?" It traumatized me so much that I get nervous to this day leaving spacedock after about level 20 if I don't have a way to fit Polarize Hull on my ship.
LOL that was me too. I used to just LOVE dumping Warp Plasma and dropping mines. Then the D'Deridex ripped me a new one and broke me of that habit REAL FAST. While I'm still pretty much my fleet's Gas Master, I haven't really Gas/Mine combo'd anyone for a while. Then again I think I'm only doing that with Nukara Mines these days when I zip around in my FT5U Assault Cruiser.
What next? Shall they remove weapons from the NPCs as well? There are a dozen ways to get out of a TB and some of the skills do other things so they are useful for more than just breaking a TB.
Next thread predictions:
-remove the Tholian webs and the Tarantulas' web cannons
-remove Gravity Wells and Tyken Rifts
-remove the temporal abilities of the Sphere Builders
-remove confuses
tractor beams from ships aren't that bad, tractor mines are annoying especially when fighting romulans, however a quick torp spread clears them very quickly.
If your fighting the borg... the spheres and cubes will make your shields evaporate very quickly, just make sure you have shield restores ready.
Draal - FED, Saurian, LV60 - TAC
Mirak - FED 23c, Vulkan, LV60 - TAC
Ascaran Bloodclaw - KDF, Gorn, Lv18 - TAC
Melchiah - KDF, Gorn, LV60 - TAC
Ne'roon - KDF,Lethian, L60, TAC
Turel - ROM-KDF, Reman, 30, TAC
Elric - ROM-Fed, Romulan, L60, TAC
Richtor Belmont - FED 23c, Human,LV20, SCI
G'Kar - KDF, Gorn, L10
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Next thread predictions:
-remove the Tholian webs and the Tarantulas' web cannons
-remove Gravity Wells and Tyken Rifts
-remove the temporal abilities of the Sphere Builders
-remove confuses
You forgot "-remove all weapon procs", both standard (Disruptor damage resistance decrease, Plasma burn, Polaron weapon malfunction/energy drain, etc.) and special (Radiant AP bonus HP, Terran Agony disable, etc.) and force all enemies - ground and space - to use spitballs and mean words...
"If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross; but it's not for the timid." -- Q, TNG: "Q-Who?"
^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
I was held in a tractor beam by the SAME ship for an extended period. (well beyond what it normally is) These tractor beams have got to go. The the Dev's have over steped the bounds in this. Getting tractor beamed is one thing. Getting dilibretly held for a way longer time is totally another. Then on top of it, I was useing my T6 Dreadnought and had used the lance. For some unknown reason my ship would not turn afterwords. Practically the same thing is happening to my Pilot Escort (another thread).
If this is what they call "improvement", They are heading in the wrong direction.
If they are going to abuse the tractor beams, then they need to be removed completely. Because this is total (descriptive narrative)......
Add in not getting the marks I selected and well you know....
OP, slot Polarize Hull on your Science Bridge Officer and use it when held. It's that simple. Also, make sure to have Engineering Team available to repair your hull.
As for getting rid of Tractor Beam, not happening, so adapted or do something else.
The sad truth is that if you only have two Sci slots these will be taken up with Polarize Hull and Sci Team.
You have to waste those two science slots on anti space magic abilities.
The same is true for ships with only 2 Engineering slots, or 2 Tactical slots. Ships that generally have light Science seating have heavier Engineering or Tactical lean and so on. That is fine.
Anyone mention Attack Pattern Omega yet? it's the obvious go to for tac heavy ships. It doesn't break the tractor lock, it simply prevents it from immobilizing you.
Some of the Tholian ships create this grey cloud around themselves that does direct hull damage almost like Eject Warp plasma. If you're tractored inside that.....
Every single ship of mine has a copy of polarize hull and a copy of attack pattern omega. I would consider those the minimum for anti-hold abilities. I thought you needed to spend points in pilot spec to get evasive maneuvers to break tractor lock, but I usually do that, too.
I have just evasive and that is enough.
Same here. I also use my 6th space DoFF slot for a cool down reduction.
If I can afford the science slot then I prefer to have Polarize Hull, but I consider it a luxury and certainly not a must. Evasive is more then enough.
This thread is just more of the same from the OP. There are two types of players in this game, those that look for advice when they struggle, and those that cry to have the game dumbed down to their level instead. The OP is obviously in the latter group, he either can't or won't put in the effort to get better so he wants the bar lowered to meet his own lack of ability.
Some of the Tholian ships create this grey cloud around themselves that does direct hull damage almost like Eject Warp plasma. If you're tractored inside that.....
The radiation field the Recluse Carriers emit? Huh... I hardly ever notice them. I usually fly out and shoot them.
Aw. I thought this was a complaint about NPCs with TBR making destructible projectiles obsolete.
I get that the game is all about counters, but why is it all or nothing? Is there no middle ground on this, especially since destructible projectiles are generally "heavy" weapons? Could I have some ability with a 30 sec+ cooldown that lets my destructible projectiles ignore TBR? Not asking to compete with B:FAW here. I just want to play with my big slow weapons.
Some of the Tholian ships create this grey cloud around themselves that does direct hull damage almost like Eject Warp plasma. If you're tractored inside that.....
The radiation field the Recluse Carriers emit? Huh... I hardly ever notice them. I usually fly out and shoot them.
Yeah it's a short range effect. Not really a major inconvenience, except that it sometimes takes out seekers.
This thread is lame. Tractor beams are, at most, a minor annoyance. There are so many counters it's ridiculous. Every ship captain gets evasive maneuvers...use it. If that's not enough there's polarize hull and attack pattern omega. I usually just sit in the tractor beam and destroy the ship...cause I'm lazy.
Everyone has an annoyance. I hate subnucleonic beam, but that doesn't mean I think it should be removed. You find the counter and use it...science team in the case of subnuke.
There are two things that bother me about the tractors.
First, they're not something we saw used in combat during the shows. The Defiant used it ONCE against a klingon ship, but that was the only time it was EVER used in combat by anyone who wasn't a Borg.
The other thing is that they do so much damage, they're more effective than actual WEAPONS are. Tractors shouldn't be doing ANY damage. They're meant for doing things like towing ships (such as when ENTERPRISE was towing STARGAZER). Not much value if you're going to destroy the ship you're towing.
+1 to this, also i've only seen 3 factions use them federation, borg and klingons (once in ds9)
Draal - FED, Saurian, LV60 - TAC
Mirak - FED 23c, Vulkan, LV60 - TAC
Ascaran Bloodclaw - KDF, Gorn, Lv18 - TAC
Melchiah - KDF, Gorn, LV60 - TAC
Ne'roon - KDF,Lethian, L60, TAC
Turel - ROM-KDF, Reman, 30, TAC
Elric - ROM-Fed, Romulan, L60, TAC
Richtor Belmont - FED 23c, Human,LV20, SCI
G'Kar - KDF, Gorn, L10
USS Sharlin NCC79713 B (part of sheridans access code) - T6, Hestia Class Advanced Escort
USS Babylon IV - T6 Krenim Science Vessel
USS Brakiri - T6 Elachi Escort
"I am Grey. I stand between the candle and the star."
"We are Grey. We stand between the darkness and the light."
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This was me shortly after I started playing. "Those Klingon Front missions were pretty easy. What more threat could the Romulans possibly be?" It traumatized me so much that I get nervous to this day leaving spacedock after about level 20 if I don't have a way to fit Polarize Hull on my ship.
They don't need to fix the game -- YOU need to learn how to utilize the ship and its capabilities...
What you're describing happens to Everyone All The Time... And everyone learned how to counter it...
By all means, keep posting... If you make enough noise, people will just start ignoring you...
You might think you're making reasonable points, but you're not... You're just showing everyone how embarassingly bad you are... Jim Kirk, Will Riker, no, you're a wingeing Wesley... That hot bridge officer you were hitting on, they just walked off with someone else... If you were on a Klingon ship, you'd have a knife in your ribs from an underling wanting a promotion...
Learn
How
To
Play
Learn
The
Skills
Watch some playthroughs and tutorials on YouTube, see what works and why, and then you can incorporate that into your own skillset
Probably would have more meaning if you specified who the attackers were. Part of that sounds like a transphasic or similar with high Shield Penetration; the other could be Tachyon Beam or a Tractor Beam with shield drain ability.
^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
That's due to something called SPACE MAGIC, or what some people refer to as exotic damage which totally ignores shields.
As for shields draining out of "Thin Air", it could be something you did not notice especially if there is a lot of eye candy popping around you. However, it could be something that the graphic engine not rendering. That happened in the past were there were a lot of eye witnesses to the fact that the Borg were firing invisible torpedoes for a short period of time.
I like the fact that the Crystalline Entity can now debuff the player such as low turn rates since it makes the mission more challenging. Like I said, last year... Crystalline Cataclysm should replace the regular Crystalline Catastrophe mission and a new mission should be developed for the Crystalline Cataclysm Event.
LOL that was me too. I used to just LOVE dumping Warp Plasma and dropping mines. Then the D'Deridex ripped me a new one and broke me of that habit REAL FAST. While I'm still pretty much my fleet's Gas Master, I haven't really Gas/Mine combo'd anyone for a while. Then again I think I'm only doing that with Nukara Mines these days when I zip around in my FT5U Assault Cruiser.
-remove the Tholian webs and the Tarantulas' web cannons
-remove Gravity Wells and Tyken Rifts
-remove the temporal abilities of the Sphere Builders
-remove confuses
Dukat's plan is to build a wall for that!
If your fighting the borg... the spheres and cubes will make your shields evaporate very quickly, just make sure you have shield restores ready.
USS Sharlin NCC79713 B (part of sheridans access code) - T6, Hestia Class Advanced Escort
USS Babylon IV - T6 Krenim Science Vessel
USS Brakiri - T6 Elachi Escort
"We are Grey. We stand between the darkness and the light."
– Grey Council greeting
You forgot "-remove all weapon procs", both standard (Disruptor damage resistance decrease, Plasma burn, Polaron weapon malfunction/energy drain, etc.) and special (Radiant AP bonus HP, Terran Agony disable, etc.) and force all enemies - ground and space - to use spitballs and mean words...
^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
You have to waste those two science slots on anti space magic abilities.
More Wizards in STO than D&D.
OP, slot Polarize Hull on your Science Bridge Officer and use it when held. It's that simple. Also, make sure to have Engineering Team available to repair your hull.
As for getting rid of Tractor Beam, not happening, so adapted or do something else.
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The same is true for ships with only 2 Engineering slots, or 2 Tactical slots. Ships that generally have light Science seating have heavier Engineering or Tactical lean and so on. That is fine.
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Same here. I also use my 6th space DoFF slot for a cool down reduction.
If I can afford the science slot then I prefer to have Polarize Hull, but I consider it a luxury and certainly not a must. Evasive is more then enough.
This thread is just more of the same from the OP. There are two types of players in this game, those that look for advice when they struggle, and those that cry to have the game dumbed down to their level instead. The OP is obviously in the latter group, he either can't or won't put in the effort to get better so he wants the bar lowered to meet his own lack of ability.
It's sad, but typical.
Exactly!
PLEASE don't give them ideas. You just know that thing would sell like hotcakes...
I agree with the text you have written, but what are we supposed to understand from the pic of the yuppie w@nker?
The radiation field the Recluse Carriers emit? Huh... I hardly ever notice them. I usually fly out and shoot them.
I get that the game is all about counters, but why is it all or nothing? Is there no middle ground on this, especially since destructible projectiles are generally "heavy" weapons? Could I have some ability with a 30 sec+ cooldown that lets my destructible projectiles ignore TBR? Not asking to compete with B:FAW here. I just want to play with my big slow weapons.
My character Tsin'xing
Everyone has an annoyance. I hate subnucleonic beam, but that doesn't mean I think it should be removed. You find the counter and use it...science team in the case of subnuke.
+1 to this, also i've only seen 3 factions use them federation, borg and klingons (once in ds9)
USS Sharlin NCC79713 B (part of sheridans access code) - T6, Hestia Class Advanced Escort
USS Babylon IV - T6 Krenim Science Vessel
USS Brakiri - T6 Elachi Escort
"We are Grey. We stand between the darkness and the light."
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