The point, is the distinction that cadets are not hipsters at college, but officers in training...
The only stipulation most professional environments make about long hair is that it should be tied up where appropriate. The punk hair looks like it could. I don't know how long the fringe is off hand but the rest of it can be kept up. A headband (like the one Valris wore in TUC) would do the trick there.
Janice Rand's beehive... I can see your point, it can certainly be considered 'an eccentric hairstyle', but is not only a practical one (in so much as it keeps A Lot of hair above shoulder-length and out of Janice's way while working) it is also an excellent example that as she got older and progressed through her career, her hairstyle also altered to reflect that maturity...
I don't think it's so much it changed as she got older more the producers threw the campy TOS styles out to create the TWoK style. But still, TOS is full of examples of idiotic hairstyles.
Even Torres on VOY, in her too frequent fight scenes she keeps getting slapped in the face by the sides of that bob thing she's got, the one that's long enough to dangle but too short to tie back, a hazard for any engineer.
Crusher has dangled her hair into a patient lots of times, Jadzia has even obscured the sci console in Opps that she was trying to read using her hair.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Y'all keep feeding the trolls. You'll never give them an answer they're happy with, because their entire purpose in posting is to stir a pot and see what they can scrape up.
And now I want to get a screencap of my Klingon, Kirtok. I went for the "big&strong" route with him, as the concept I had of his character was someone who was almost as devoted to the (semimythical) "warrior ideal" Klingons are supposed to aspire to as Worf is. He's in a TOS-style tunic, but with no undershirt; instead, the Imperial badge on his shoulder is branded directly into his skin. He also keep his head shaved, as no hair means no grip for an opponent and nothing to float into his eyes should the gravity go out.
As for Ms Flores' default appearance, I find the default hairstyle excessively chunky and not at all complementary to her face. It punches up the angularity of her features, and the color looks like someone tried to dye their hair bright red and failed. Accordingly, I'll generally change out her hairstyle, as I presume she possesses a normal human degree of vanity and will not deliberately assume a style that suits her so ill.
And since the rest of the bridge crew tends to tilt nonhuman, I can't really assess their looks. What's "handsome" for a Saurian? What is the Bolian standard of feminine beauty? What about my Kobali engineer, or my Jem'Hadar tactical officer? Do they look good? And how can I know?
I definitely like the sound of Kirtok, and I completely get what you mean by the ethos of Bodily Perfection in a warrior, a bit like the guy doing the naked kata at the start of Die Hard II, it would be great if you could get a screenshot*
And yes, the angularity of Elisa's features is something which (as evidenced by Miral's delicacy) which the devs could now refine to be less 'blunt', and as you say, human vanity would suggest she (or anyone else) would want to look their best...
I was actually rather disappointed that we can't modify our Jem'Hadar at all, as that really does take away their individuality in a way DS-9 showed that they did have...
*Before the Update Where Everything Changed, I had actually been thinking about creating a thread, titled 'Beef and Bunnies', where folks could share any toons they were particularly proud of crafting. The only reason why I hadn't, is that I couldn't decide if it should just be an ongoing exhibition thread, or if it could be run more like a pageant, with winners in various categories, such as Best Bajoran Male, Most Intimidating Drone, Best Original Alien etc... I still could, but after the reception this thread got, I really don't feel like bothering...
The only stipulation most professional environments make about long hair is that it should be tied up where appropriate. The punk hair looks like it could. I don't know how long the fringe is off hand but the rest of it can be kept up. A headband (like the one Valris wore in TUC) would do the trick there.
From my own experience of having had long hair, I'm not sure if the Punk style would be long enough to put back... It might be long enough to tuck behind the ears, but not long enough to tie back into a top-knot, let alone a ponytail... As you say, a headband like Valeris' (or Ro's) would be an acceptable compromise, and as mentioned upthread, I would certainly welcome the addition of headbands to the female styles
I don't think it's so much it changed as she got older more the producers threw the campy TOS styles out to create the TWoK style.
I'm not fussed about what the producers threw out, because the observable effect, of what is presented onscreen, is that as she got older, and more senior in rank, Janice wore her hair in more sensible styles... (RIP Grace Lee Whitney )
Even Torres on VOY, in her too frequent fight scenes she keeps getting slapped in the face by the sides of that bob thing she's got, the one that's long enough to dangle but too short to tie back, a hazard for any engineer.
Crusher has dangled her hair into a patient lots of times, Jadzia has even obscured the sci console in Opps that she was trying to read using her hair.
Fair enough, you've made a fair point that Starfleet didn't have any hard and fast rules on hairstyling. I'd counter that with the point made by myself and others; that Elisa is placed into a position of responsibility. Human vanity would suggest someone would want to present the best possible appearance, and would likely want to 'look the part'
Looks generic.
Dismiss it for something better. Her voice in the tutorial is annoying enough, no real reason to keep her around.
Thanks for the feedback 'Generic' is fine, I wasn't trying to craft The Galaxy's Most Beautiful BOFF, just to refine the appearance into something a little less angular and cartoonish
Looks generic.
Dismiss it for something better. Her voice in the tutorial is annoying enough, no real reason to keep her around.
Thanks for the feedback 'Generic' is fine, I wasn't trying to craft The Galaxy's Most Beautiful BOFF, just to refine the appearance into something a little less angular and cartoonish
I can't help but think their comment was more towards the people that'd been claiming bias (of course there's bias, it's someone's personal Elisa Flores, what does it matter if there's bias) and bemoaning others still for wanting to or having already dismiss a purple bridge officer (seriously, none of my ships took advantage of her skill set so... why even justify keeping her if she's never on my ships?).
Looks generic.
Dismiss it for something better. Her voice in the tutorial is annoying enough, no real reason to keep her around.
Thanks for the feedback 'Generic' is fine, I wasn't trying to craft The Galaxy's Most Beautiful BOFF, just to refine the appearance into something a little less angular and cartoonish
I can't help but think their comment was more towards the people that'd been claiming bias (of course there's bias, it's someone's personal Elisa Flores, what does it matter if there's bias) and bemoaning others still for wanting to or having already dismiss a purple bridge officer (seriously, none of my ships took advantage of her skill set so... why even justify keeping her if she's never on my ships?).
That's a fair point, perhaps I simply misread and misunderstood their meaning
I agree, if someone wants to jettisonntheir Elisa, they're certainly welcome to do so. I did, and then felt bad about it, so I rolled another toon to get the slider positions so I could resurrect her... The Saurian BOFF picked up at Vega never leaves the ship anymore (neither does my Aenar -- he can't handle himself in combat and is a liability) but I'm not going to dismiss him... I'll never dismiss my first Tarsi either, because I'm sentimental like that...
@marcuskane: Oh, it's nothing that spectacular; I basically just gave her a much better-looking hairdo (instead of that awful "punk" hair-don't) and the command variant of the Odyssey uniform with the white shoulders, since she's my first officer.
Actually she's technically the captain of my flagship, since I'm the admiral of my little fleet (collection) of starships. I just have to pretend that she has that fourth rank pip on her collar.
You do know Cryptic breaks the 'rules' by using special templates for 'Celebrity' NPCs. Just try recreating Jet'theya with your Kobali Boff. You can't. You cannot get the face that thin.
I have never gotten rid of Elisa. Before the Skills revamp, she was one of the only few Boffs that had Torpedo Spread III. Her hair is terrible to begin with, I always change that. Punk hair styles are only good for those lazy-*ssed Romulans who yawn instead of working in the Staging Area.
I'm not quite sure what people are babbling about no good Space Traits on her. She has Leadership. She is not a Romulan you know.
I've kept Tarsi and won't get rid of her. She is my Space Engineering Officer and was on my Ground Team but I going in a different direction now.
The only initial non-VR Boff I have kept is T'Met. I use her in Space and have a VR Vulcan Science Officer that I copy/pasted T'Met for ground duty.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
^ This. My Elisa has been a real help to me and she's my only original freebie boff that I still use on a regular basis. She starts out with some good skills and traits that are actually useful. She's earned her position as my "number one."
OP is not bound by some forum equality etiquette where if he mentions X, he is required to mention Y, "just because".
It doesn't work like that, and he is under no obligation to do so.
i'm not claiming the OP is obligated to do anything. but I am still asking him (and anyone else brave enough to answer) a question:
why are you only concerned with how a female character looks?
why have I never once seen a thread saying a male character isn't handsome enough?
of course no one will be brave enough to answer that question.
Here is my answer, I honestly do not care how the males in the game look, well except my own 2 male characters. I like having lots of female BOffs and I like them to look how I want them to. There's my answer, and I'm sticking to it!
@marcuskane: Oh, it's nothing that spectacular; I basically just gave her a much better-looking hairdo (instead of that awful "punk" hair-don't) and the command variant of the Odyssey uniform with the white shoulders, since she's my first officer.
Actually she's technically the captain of my flagship, since I'm the admiral of my little fleet (collection) of starships. I just have to pretend that she has that fourth rank pip on her collar.
Still, feel free to share...
I've done the same thing with regards the uniforms on Cara's crew, where she has a ship's commander and an executive officer, with the ship's commander with the command variant jacket, and her own uniform as the vice admiral's color scheme
You do know Cryptic breaks the 'rules' by using special templates for 'Celebrity' NPCs. Just try recreating Jet'theya with your Kobali Boff. You can't. You cannot get the face that thin.
I have never gotten rid of Elisa. Before the Skills revamp, she was one of the only few Boffs that had Torpedo Spread III. Her hair is terrible to begin with, I always change that. Punk hair styles are only good for those lazy-*ssed Romulans who yawn instead of working in the Staging Area.
I'm not quite sure what people are babbling about no good Space Traits on her. She has Leadership. She is not a Romulan you know.
I've kept Tarsi and won't get rid of her. She is my Space Engineering Officer and was on my Ground Team but I going in a different direction now.
The only initial non-VR Boff I have kept is T'Met. I use her in Space and have a VR Vulcan Science Officer that I copy/pasted T'Met for ground duty.
That doesn't surprize me, afterall, they're producing licensed content, it makes sense that they have creative templates which we as users can't have access to... However, for the most part, a face is a face, and as such should be recreatable, providing the features fall within the parameters which the sliders can accomodate. For example, my Romulan captain has always been inspired by Cobie Smulders, and had I been unable to recreate her appearance, I would have created a new character, rather than 'make do' with a toon which didn't allign with my view of the character. That said, I think I've been able to recreate Ms Smulders appearance pretty closely...
Jeri Ryan, on the other hand, is A Challenge... The size of her eyes, the shape of her nose, the shape of her forehead, all (as far as I can tell) beyond the range which the sliders will allow. If the sliders had extended range, I know that I would be able to adjust them to give the desired result, but they don't. This is why I will never waste the Zen on Seven of Nine costume parts... Yes, I have a Seven of Nine toon, she is part of my crew on Star Trek Trexels, which I recreated as my first AoY crew, but all the time I can't recreate Jeri Ryan's face 100%, there's little point in spending the Zen to slap implants and costume, on a face which isn't quite right... If the face isn't 100%, there's little point in me trying to make the rest of the recreation 100%, so I've gone with as close as I can facially, with a recreation of her height and body proportions, with the left eyebrow implant and a brushed-back hairdo. It's not 100%, but neither is the Trexels representation, andnif I can accept that as Seven, I can accept my AoY toon as Seven (I've turned the PC off, or I'd add a photo, so I'll edit to add one tomorrow...)
I don't know if it'll work enough to recreate a Jhet'leya, it doesn't always work, but it is possible to trick a little extra narrowness out of the head setting when the overall width is already at minimum, by putting the height of the head to maximum, and then reducing the overall size of the head to minimum. Sometimes it's still not enough, but it gets a little closer sometimes
@marcusdkane: I got the 7 of 9 suit for my liberated Borg eng boff, and made her outfit into a darker variation on the 7 of 9 theme. I made her Borg suit black all over and I like the way it turned out. In my Trek story (that I've been writing off and on) she's a former Borg queen who was rescued and now works as a researcher with the Borg Cooperative. She's my Borg specialist who "rides shotgun" on missions involving the Borg.
Just an FY. That Seven of Nine Outfit will work on any Female Character regardless of Faction. The one exception seems to be the KDF Liberated Borg Boff, who is only able to wear the Borg Outfit and that Alpha, Beta, Gamma stuff in the Top Tight class.
The color palettes that you can use vary a bit on the Shoes for Romulans so you cannot keep a consistent color for the entire Outfit.
Also, Female Opposing Faction Diplomatic Orion Boffs can wear the Leeta Shorts Type 1, but that is the only piece of that Terran Mirror Outfit that she can wear.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Just an FY. That Seven of Nine Outfit will work on any Female Character regardless of Faction. The one exception seems to be the KDF Liberated Borg Boff, who is only able to wear the Borg Outfit and that Alpha, Beta, Gamma stuff in the Top Tight class.
The color palettes that you can use vary a bit on the Shoes for Romulans so you cannot keep a consistent color for the entire Outfit.
Also, Female Opposing Faction Diplomatic Orion Boffs can wear the Leeta Shorts Type 1, but that is the only piece of that Terran Mirror Outfit that she can wear.
Yep, I have a Romulan who uses it as the base for her entire female crews uniforms.
^ I just put my opposing faction female Orion tac/intel boff in the intel short jacket, basic tight pants, and boots (all in black). For story/headcanon purposes I just had her be a Starfleet Intelligence operative assigned to my ship.
Easiest solution to this whole 'prettier' issue is to unlock a uniform set that has a closed helmet, now if we only had a paper sack item to drop on ugly BOs heads in the tailor shop...
Fair enough, you've made a fair point that Starfleet didn't have any hard and fast rules on hairstyling. I'd counter that with the point made by myself and others; that Elisa is placed into a position of responsibility. Human vanity would suggest someone would want to present the best possible appearance, and would likely want to 'look the part'
I don't think that jives with Flores' character as we see in the tutorial though, she certainly dosn't come across as a career officer, she comes off as a bit quirky.
Though mine dosn't follow her tutorial characterisation, I've turned her into a psycho .
I understand we don't want our boffs to look like @artan42 however you can edit her appearance anyway so what does it matter?
Default Flores comes with a goatee? Mine didn't.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
(...)
Default Flores comes with a goatee? Mine didn't.
That's Mirror Flores
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The only stipulation most professional environments make about long hair is that it should be tied up where appropriate. The punk hair looks like it could. I don't know how long the fringe is off hand but the rest of it can be kept up. A headband (like the one Valris wore in TUC) would do the trick there.
I don't think it's so much it changed as she got older more the producers threw the campy TOS styles out to create the TWoK style. But still, TOS is full of examples of idiotic hairstyles.
Even Torres on VOY, in her too frequent fight scenes she keeps getting slapped in the face by the sides of that bob thing she's got, the one that's long enough to dangle but too short to tie back, a hazard for any engineer.
Crusher has dangled her hair into a patient lots of times, Jadzia has even obscured the sci console in Opps that she was trying to read using her hair.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Dismiss it for something better. Her voice in the tutorial is annoying enough, no real reason to keep her around.
And yes, the angularity of Elisa's features is something which (as evidenced by Miral's delicacy) which the devs could now refine to be less 'blunt', and as you say, human vanity would suggest she (or anyone else) would want to look their best...
I was actually rather disappointed that we can't modify our Jem'Hadar at all, as that really does take away their individuality in a way DS-9 showed that they did have...
*Before the Update Where Everything Changed, I had actually been thinking about creating a thread, titled 'Beef and Bunnies', where folks could share any toons they were particularly proud of crafting. The only reason why I hadn't, is that I couldn't decide if it should just be an ongoing exhibition thread, or if it could be run more like a pageant, with winners in various categories, such as Best Bajoran Male, Most Intimidating Drone, Best Original Alien etc... I still could, but after the reception this thread got, I really don't feel like bothering...
I'm not fussed about what the producers threw out, because the observable effect, of what is presented onscreen, is that as she got older, and more senior in rank, Janice wore her hair in more sensible styles... (RIP Grace Lee Whitney
Fair enough, you've made a fair point that Starfleet didn't have any hard and fast rules on hairstyling. I'd counter that with the point made by myself and others; that Elisa is placed into a position of responsibility. Human vanity would suggest someone would want to present the best possible appearance, and would likely want to 'look the part'
I agree, if someone wants to jettisonntheir Elisa, they're certainly welcome to do so. I did, and then felt bad about it, so I rolled another toon to get the slider positions so I could resurrect her... The Saurian BOFF picked up at Vega never leaves the ship anymore (neither does my Aenar -- he can't handle himself in combat and is a liability) but I'm not going to dismiss him... I'll never dismiss my first Tarsi either, because I'm sentimental like that...
Please do, I'd love to see what you've done with her
Actually she's technically the captain of my flagship, since I'm the admiral of my little fleet (collection) of starships. I just have to pretend that she has that fourth rank pip on her collar.
I have never gotten rid of Elisa. Before the Skills revamp, she was one of the only few Boffs that had Torpedo Spread III. Her hair is terrible to begin with, I always change that. Punk hair styles are only good for those lazy-*ssed Romulans who yawn instead of working in the Staging Area.
I'm not quite sure what people are babbling about no good Space Traits on her. She has Leadership. She is not a Romulan you know.
I've kept Tarsi and won't get rid of her. She is my Space Engineering Officer and was on my Ground Team but I going in a different direction now.
The only initial non-VR Boff I have kept is T'Met. I use her in Space and have a VR Vulcan Science Officer that I copy/pasted T'Met for ground duty.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Here is my answer, I honestly do not care how the males in the game look, well except my own 2 male characters. I like having lots of female BOffs and I like them to look how I want them to. There's my answer, and I'm sticking to it!
We come in peace, SHOOT TO KILL!
I've done the same thing with regards the uniforms on Cara's crew, where she has a ship's commander and an executive officer, with the ship's commander with the command variant jacket, and her own uniform as the vice admiral's color scheme
Jeri Ryan, on the other hand, is A Challenge... The size of her eyes, the shape of her nose, the shape of her forehead, all (as far as I can tell) beyond the range which the sliders will allow. If the sliders had extended range, I know that I would be able to adjust them to give the desired result, but they don't. This is why I will never waste the Zen on Seven of Nine costume parts... Yes, I have a Seven of Nine toon, she is part of my crew on Star Trek Trexels, which I recreated as my first AoY crew, but all the time I can't recreate Jeri Ryan's face 100%, there's little point in spending the Zen to slap implants and costume, on a face which isn't quite right... If the face isn't 100%, there's little point in me trying to make the rest of the recreation 100%, so I've gone with as close as I can facially, with a recreation of her height and body proportions, with the left eyebrow implant and a brushed-back hairdo. It's not 100%, but neither is the Trexels representation, andnif I can accept that as Seven, I can accept my AoY toon as Seven (I've turned the PC off, or I'd add a photo, so I'll edit to add one tomorrow...)
I don't know if it'll work enough to recreate a Jhet'leya, it doesn't always work, but it is possible to trick a little extra narrowness out of the head setting when the overall width is already at minimum, by putting the height of the head to maximum, and then reducing the overall size of the head to minimum. Sometimes it's still not enough, but it gets a little closer sometimes
The color palettes that you can use vary a bit on the Shoes for Romulans so you cannot keep a consistent color for the entire Outfit.
Also, Female Opposing Faction Diplomatic Orion Boffs can wear the Leeta Shorts Type 1, but that is the only piece of that Terran Mirror Outfit that she can wear.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Yep, I have a Romulan who uses it as the base for her entire female crews uniforms.
We come in peace, SHOOT TO KILL!
Ummm... put a bag over her head?
/sarcasm
Seconded!
"She's a doll! Vavoom! hiccup..."
Good from far...BUT FAR FROM GOOD!
I don't think that jives with Flores' character as we see in the tutorial though, she certainly dosn't come across as a career officer, she comes off as a bit quirky.
Though mine dosn't follow her tutorial characterisation, I've turned her into a psycho
Default Flores comes with a goatee? Mine didn't.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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