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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,689 Arc User
    farmallm wrote: »
    Ummm I think he said he had 3, one of which he offered to sell you for 1 bill.

    Remember the story "limited time promo."

    I countered his offer with a 1 billion ship of my own that I earned. So its a fair trade. He refuses, so he don't own those ships.

    Logic time again!

    If your ship really does sell for 1 billion in the trade channels:
    - Sell your ship
    - Buy a Connie

    Problem solved!
  • wendysue53wendysue53 Member Posts: 1,569 Arc User
    and repeat....
  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    farmallm wrote: »
    Ummm I think he said he had 3, one of which he offered to sell you for 1 bill.

    Remember the story "limited time promo."

    I countered his offer with a 1 billion ship of my own that I earned. So its a fair trade. He refuses, so he don't own those ships.

    Logic time again!

    If your ship really does sell for 1 billion in the trade channels:
    - Sell your ship
    - Buy a Connie

    Problem solved!

    Why, Its a fair trade 1 billion ship for another. Going by the size of the ship. Its well worth more, as it a really big ship. Over the Connie.
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  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    nikeix wrote: »
    What other 1 billion ship is there? You sitting on a voth promo ship? Because the Sheshar and Annorax don't command those prices anymore.

    My ship is worth 1 billion, I earned it and that's the price for it.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,689 Arc User
    farmallm wrote: »
    nikeix wrote: »
    What other 1 billion ship is there? You sitting on a voth promo ship? Because the Sheshar and Annorax don't command those prices anymore.

    My ship is worth 1 billion, I earned it and that's the price for it.

    I can claim a Mark XII white phaser beam array is "worth" 1 billion, but if no one is buying at that price then reality does not agree.

    It sounds like that is your problem. Perhaps the Kelvin universe version of STO will work better for you.

  • nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
    A product is only worth what a buyer and seller agree to. Otherwise its just an offer.

    I'm getting a pretty good idea why your offer was refused...
  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    nikeix wrote: »
    A product is only worth what a buyer and seller agree to. Otherwise its just an offer.

    I'm getting a pretty good idea why your offer was refused...

    Just like his ship, only good on what the buyer and seller agrees to.
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  • nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
    Yeah. He's gonna get what he's asking, though :).
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  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    Perhaps the Kelvin universe version of STO will work better for you.

    I welcome it, I'm sure it will be a good game to play.
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  • nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    Oh, it's not unreasonable he thinks its worth a billion to him. I just don't see anyone looking to deal in good faith agreeing.
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  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    If you dont tell the truth, how can you expect people to take you seriously?

    Your not much telling the truth either.
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  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    farmallm wrote: »
    If you dont tell the truth, how can you expect people to take you seriously?

    Your not much telling the truth either.

    I have said nothing that is not true, I cannot tell a lie.

    Same here, my ship is sitting in my bank.
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  • wendysue53wendysue53 Member Posts: 1,569 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    Ship in bank = 0 EC value.
    Ship in Exchange = Whatever the person will pay.
    Ship in trashcan = same as unopened in bank

    I'm reminded of a guy who found millions in CSA notes...
  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    farmallm wrote: »
    farmallm wrote: »
    If you dont tell the truth, how can you expect people to take you seriously?

    Your not much telling the truth either.

    I have said nothing that is not true, I cannot tell a lie.

    Same here, my ship is sitting in my bank.

    I sold one of my tos connies for 935m earlier, got two left on me!

    What ship did you want to trade for it farmallm?

    Mirror Universe Vo'Quv Carrier she is a big one.
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  • thlaylierahthlaylierah Member Posts: 2,987 Arc User
    And after I made that inspiring story and all.

    Welp I know what I need to do if a similar item shows up so piece of mind at least.
  • wendysue53wendysue53 Member Posts: 1,569 Arc User
    And after I made that inspiring story and all.

    Welp I know what I need to do if a similar item shows up so piece of mind at least.

    You save it and store it in my account? heh :)
  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User

    That's 5m on the exchange, I will give you 4m in trade credit for it.

    You said you had a ship worth 1 billion ec, I was asking about that one.

    That is "their" offer, mine is 1 billion EC. As a seller I set the price to what I want it to.
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  • wendysue53wendysue53 Member Posts: 1,569 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    Doesn't sound like a scam. Sounds like he really doesn't understand what "Going rate" means. Again, throw him back into Econ....

    This really isn't any different than the scale used for buying a car. Maybe that comparison will sink in with him. Just because he says it's worth 1 billion, doesn't mean anything. Only means he's got one more piece of useless junk in his inventory if he can't use it and can't sell it.

    :D
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  • wendysue53wendysue53 Member Posts: 1,569 Arc User
    O.O

    right. that would be a scam. I'm too lenient.
  • mrtsheadmrtshead Member Posts: 487 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    farmallm wrote: »
    That is "their" offer, mine is 1 billion EC. As a seller I set the price to what I want it to.

    Sellers set the price, but buyers determine value. This is the part you seem to not get - a "thing" is worth what people are willing to pay for it. Other people are willing and able to pay the going market price for these ships. You are not. That doesn't obligate people to reset the price to something you are more comfortable with, nor does it make sellers "greedy" in the pejorative sense of the word if they sell for the price that the market sets. At every turn you are simply being outbid - other people value the ship more than you do either in terms of time/effort spent in game to earn the EC to get one, or in terms of the cost in real dollars it takes to get one. As long as someone else is willing and able to pay more than you, you will lose, 100% of the time. If you feel like this is unfair, you need to go after the BUYERS who have priced you out of the market.

    By the way, I value my time at $125,000 (that's US dollars) per hour. Since this took me about 5 minutes to type up, you now owe me $10,496.67, but since I'm a nice guy we'll call it just $10,000 even (a savings of almost $500!). Please PM me so we can arrange payment, since I'm morally certain that my valuation of my thoughts matches yours, thus it must be a fair market price, right?
  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    Then he is scamming the others for his price range. Cause they get to set their prices as well. There is no guide on the price range giving to anyone.

    I just used this for an example. As he is setting prices of his own. Where he can set it way under for a deal. A seller can do what they want with the prices. He can give it away for free to anyone. Then how is that fair for the others who bought it from him.

    Perhaps now he will understand now. With the example I just gave. Was I scamming? no I wasn't. Just a lesson.
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