1. The ships are rare and desirable
2. Everyone has a chance to get one
3. Cryptic prospers
1. They wanted them rare to make lots and lots of $ = Cash grab
2. With very low chances of getting = gimmick
3. Yes they do over the expense on players who wanted the ship for years.
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I was born three years before Star Trek premiered. And I don't see a durn thing wrong with Cryptic trying to make a little money, to keep the lights on and the programmers paid.
"Cash grab," forsooth! Pfft.
In this case making lots of $ over the players. With little in return.
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Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
And 4. The 'Professional' Salesforce can make oodles in private sales.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
The central complaint of people against this promo is their assertion that these ships "should" be in the C-store. But this belief is based on emotions that ignore the method by which placement of ships are determined. It is my belief that the T6 TOS Constitution, D7, and T'liss SHOULD NOT be in the C-Store. They ARE NOT true faction ships unlike the T6 Excelsior, Galaxy, etc.
Taking the Excelsior as an example, in show and game canon, the Excelsior is still in service up to and including the chronologically latest period that is covered in Star Trek. It is currently being produced by the 25th century starfleet shipyards. Therefore it makes perfect sense that the Excelsior is a C-store ship.
The TOS Constitution is a ship that was retired in show/movie canon and in game canon around 100 years before STO. It existed in game as a T1 version to placate certain players but unlike the Excelsior, it was NOT upgraded through the years and it is NOT produced currently by the 25th century starfleet. It's still technically a retired ship.
The T6 Constitutions that we see in game today are also not produced by the 25th century starfleet, unlike the Excelsior. They are temporal ships that are upgraded presumably by Daniels organization and they are "brought to the future" by our characters who are temporal agents. They are not being mass produced in 25th century shipyards. Therefore they are NOT faction ships that are readily available in the C-Store, so it makes perfect sense that they are promo ships. Could they have added them to the C-Store like the AoY mega bundle of ships? Yes, but they were never required to.
When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
The central complaint of people against this promo is their assertion that these ships "should" be in the C-store. But this belief is based on emotions that ignore the method by which placement of ships are determined. It is my belief that the T6 TOS Constitution, D7, and T'liss SHOULD NOT be in the C-Store. They ARE NOT true faction ships unlike the T6 Excelsior, Galaxy, etc.
Taking the Excelsior as an example, in show and game canon, the Excelsior is still in service up to and including the chronologically latest period that is covered in Star Trek. It is currently being produced by the 25th century starfleet shipyards. Therefore it makes perfect sense that the Excelsior is a C-store ship.
The TOS Constitution is a ship that was retired in show/movie canon and in game canon around 100 years before STO. It existed in game as a T1 version to placate certain players but unlike the Excelsior, it was NOT upgraded through the years and it is NOT produced currently by the 25th century starfleet. It's still technically a retired ship.
The T6 Constitutions that we see in game today are also not produced by the 25th century starfleet, unlike the Excelsior. They are temporal ships that are upgraded presumably by Daniels organization and they are "brought to the future" by our characters who are temporal agents. They are not being mass produced in 25th century shipyards. Therefore they are NOT faction ships that are readily available in the C-Store, so it makes perfect sense that they are promo ships. Could they have added them to the C-Store like the AoY mega bundle of ships? Yes, but they were never required to.
Going by this, all temporal ships and any other ships not part of the faction should be in lock and R&D boxes. Even the futuristic ones. Since they was based after the current time. I counted at least 10 alone in the Fed line up that should be promo only.
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Actually I would support the idea that the ships in the AoY bundle "should" actually be lock box/lobi/promo instead of C-Store, but that's not the decision that PWE/Cryptic made.
When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
Actually I would support the idea that the ships in the AoY bundle "should" actually be lock box/lobi/promo instead of C-Store, but that's not the decision that PWE/Cryptic made.
Yes the AOY pack of ships should be promo as well. As they are not faction.
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Of course it's a cash grab. PWE/C is a business, not a charity.
It's not you- it's me. I just need my space.
Being critical doesn't take skill. Being constructively critical- which is providing alternative solutions or suggestions to a demonstrated problem, however, does.
So OP would you be pissed to learn I opened the T6 connie on my Main toon, got the Card and then dismissed the ship?
I really like this idea. Tired of people posting in here about how unfair Cryptic is. Life is unfair in general. The sooner the overly entitled and overly sensitive learn this the easier their life will be.
How does not getting the ship you want stack up against recieving a diagnosis of "Yes, it is cancer. I'd suggest you get your affairs in order as quickly as you can."? Happened to a very good friend of mine who used to play this game avidly.
Until he died.
You want a stupid ship in a stupid game, OP? I want my friend back. Alive and cancer free. Sucks to be both of us, don't it?
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
I cant blame people for spending thier money, I can blame them for whining when things arent made available to them in the way that they want, just bdcause thats the way they want it.
The Connie to me is not just for a trophy. It's much more. It's my #1 ship. It would have been used full time on my AOY captain. And the main ship I wanted for high in gaming. I had good hopes from the AOY when it came out. Now it's the worst expansion ever. This took the title from WoW cata expansion. That was on my list. I will get over it in due time. Thats how it goes.
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Have to wonder how many people want this ship for nothing other than the fact that it's exclusive? I mean, whilst I won't pretend that I wouldn't like to own it I don't honestly think it would become a 'mainstay' ship for me; it would wind up as a trophy ship - something to fly around in just for the sake of saying 'hey, look how lucky I am'.
Frankly, I have a favourite ship, and the T6 Connie wouldn't replace that, so I am not honestly losing any sleep over not owning one.
I really like this idea. Tired of people posting in here about how unfair Cryptic is. Life is unfair in general. The sooner the overly entitled and overly sensitive learn this the easier their life will be.
How does not getting the ship you want stack up against recieving a diagnosis of "Yes, it is cancer. I'd suggest you get your affairs in order as quickly as you can."? Happened to a very good friend of mine who used to play this game avidly.
Until he died.
You want a stupid ship in a stupid game, OP? I want my friend back. Alive and cancer free. Sucks to be both of us, don't it?
Sorry to hear of your loss - that truly sucks and really does put things into perspective.
As am I.
But speaking in general,
I think when people talk about games, they should generally be assumed to be talking at the level of importance that include such minor things as games. And when people bring real life problems into those discussions, they've escalated the level of rhetoric past the point of reason.
"X happened, all your thoughts on this game is insignificant". Well, yes- they are. But that wasn't what we were talking about now is it? If we want to get into real world suck- I can run that game too- but I won't. And despite my real world problems and losses- I can still talk about what I and others want in a insignificant game without playing that card.
That said, people who have suffered serious losses recently can be forgiven for this. It is hard, and there are many ways of dealing with it. Some early reactions aren't ideal, but one can't always select the best ones out of the gate.
The central complaint of people against this promo is their assertion that these ships "should" be in the C-store. But this belief is based on emotions that ignore the method by which placement of ships are determined. It is my belief that the T6 TOS Constitution, D7, and T'liss SHOULD NOT be in the C-Store. They ARE NOT true faction ships unlike the T6 Excelsior, Galaxy, etc.
Taking the Excelsior as an example, in show and game canon, the Excelsior is still in service up to and including the chronologically latest period that is covered in Star Trek. It is currently being produced by the 25th century starfleet shipyards. Therefore it makes perfect sense that the Excelsior is a C-store ship.
The TOS Constitution is a ship that was retired in show/movie canon and in game canon around 100 years before STO. It existed in game as a T1 version to placate certain players but unlike the Excelsior, it was NOT upgraded through the years and it is NOT produced currently by the 25th century starfleet. It's still technically a retired ship.
The T6 Constitutions that we see in game today are also not produced by the 25th century starfleet, unlike the Excelsior. They are temporal ships that are upgraded presumably by Daniels organization and they are "brought to the future" by our characters who are temporal agents. They are not being mass produced in 25th century shipyards. Therefore they are NOT faction ships that are readily available in the C-Store, so it makes perfect sense that they are promo ships. Could they have added them to the C-Store like the AoY mega bundle of ships? Yes, but they were never required to.
The T5 D7, Andorian Kumari, Vulcan D'Kyr, and T'Varo (note, mostly ENT era ships) all beg to differ with you.
The entire "age and/or production state of a ship" ship has sailed so long ago that it's lapped the world, resupplied, and is on it's second tour, at least.
The "rules", up to now, have been pretty straightforward. If it's a ship designed according to "standard factional design rules", it's a C-store ship. If it's an "non-standard factional" ship, it's "restricted".
One would think that the 3 "original iconic ships that set the standards for most/all future designs" would fall under "standard factional design rules", but who are we to judge?
On that note, I'll say that in many ways the Kelvin ships (especially Konnie) are walking the "fine line" between C-store and lockbox as well, but it's a lot easier to throw the whole "alternate universe = just barely non-factional enough" on those than the standard Connie...
Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
I wish that Cryptic hadn't gone this route with these iconic ships. Any other iconic ship from the shows are available as straight up C-Store purchases or even free.
This does come off as another slap in the face for TOS fans, "Yes you can after 6 years have your iconic ship, but it will cost you big time.".
That said, I accept their choice in the matter. I can understand that it was too much money for a company to pass up on.
And I can even see a bright side- if they run the promotion in the future- all is well as highly desired things in MMOs should be difficult to get. Viewed that way, I feel sorry for the fans of the other iconic ships for they basically don't have to do anything to get theirs and thus they won't have the personal value that I have for my Connie.
And I also feel sorry for the NX-01 fans. Now they get to the be the only guys out of luck.
The central complaint of people against this promo is their assertion that these ships "should" be in the C-store. But this belief is based on emotions that ignore the method by which placement of ships are determined. It is my belief that the T6 TOS Constitution, D7, and T'liss SHOULD NOT be in the C-Store. They ARE NOT true faction ships unlike the T6 Excelsior, Galaxy, etc.
Taking the Excelsior as an example, in show and game canon, the Excelsior is still in service up to and including the chronologically latest period that is covered in Star Trek. It is currently being produced by the 25th century starfleet shipyards. Therefore it makes perfect sense that the Excelsior is a C-store ship.
The TOS Constitution is a ship that was retired in show/movie canon and in game canon around 100 years before STO. It existed in game as a T1 version to placate certain players but unlike the Excelsior, it was NOT upgraded through the years and it is NOT produced currently by the 25th century starfleet. It's still technically a retired ship.
The T6 Constitutions that we see in game today are also not produced by the 25th century starfleet, unlike the Excelsior. They are temporal ships that are upgraded presumably by Daniels organization and they are "brought to the future" by our characters who are temporal agents. They are not being mass produced in 25th century shipyards. Therefore they are NOT faction ships that are readily available in the C-Store, so it makes perfect sense that they are promo ships. Could they have added them to the C-Store like the AoY mega bundle of ships? Yes, but they were never required to.
The T5 D7, Andorian Kumari, Vulcan D'Kyr, and T'Varo (note, mostly ENT era ships) all beg to differ with you.
The entire "age and/or production state of a ship" ship has sailed so long ago that it's lapped the world, resupplied, and is on it's second tour, at least.
The "rules", up to now, have been pretty straightforward. If it's a ship designed according to "standard factional design rules", it's a C-store ship. If it's an "non-standard factional" ship, it's "restricted".
One would think that the 3 "original iconic ships that set the standards for most/all future designs" would fall under "standard factional design rules", but who are we to judge?
On that note, I'll say that in many ways the Kelvin ships (especially Konnie) are walking the "fine line" between C-store and lockbox as well, but it's a lot easier to throw the whole "alternate universe = just barely non-factional enough" on those than the standard Connie...
The rules are not followed in a 100% manner consistent as you stated but the guidelines that I posted can be followed or not be followed and the decision is to be made by Cryptic. Based on my guidelines that I stated, I am happy that the TOS promo ships are not C-store ships. I also agree that the ENT ships "should" have been lock box ships or promo ships. But they aren't, and I won't lose any sleep over it.
When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
What you said I agree. From this I will be cautious on what money I spend on STO for now on. And will no longer take part in their promos or lottery boxes. So they lost $ on this customer.
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Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
Which is why people want it in the C-store. But why actually debate people when you can throw up a stawman?
Not a "strawman" - either this was the only way CBS would okay the ship (ensuring its rarity), or Cryptic did the analysis and decided that this method would be the one that made them the most money. If the latter, well, that's what being a corporation is all about - turning a profit for the benefit of the shareholders. In either event, "fair" doesn't enter into it, and makes me hear David Bowie as the Goblin King in my head - "You say that so often. I wonder what your basis of comparison is?"
I'm just glad the F2P model here is so unusually generous (compare to, say, SWTOR, or the level-capped, heavily gelded version of WoW).
To earn something you have to complete a task or achieve a goal to earn.
1. Is it obtainable in game. By completing missions, a series of task, or a goal. - No
2. Is it obtainable through game currency. Like zen, lobi, or Dil. - No
So going by this, it meets none of the said requirements of usual methods to earn something in game or using the game. From Cryptic own blog on it. Chance to win an all new 23rd Century Tier 6 Starship! Oh look there, Chance. There for you going by luck. Not by earning. So basically play our game, throw lots and lots of $ at it. In hopes you win! This is not earning nothing. This is like you working for me for a year. Each week there will be 52 sealed letters. One is your week's pay. So go have fun and pick one out per week. Good luck you earned it. And I will make lots of money off your labor.
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Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
Comments
1. They wanted them rare to make lots and lots of $ = Cash grab
2. With very low chances of getting = gimmick
3. Yes they do over the expense on players who wanted the ship for years.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
In this case making lots of $ over the players. With little in return.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
4. The 'Professional' Salesforce can make oodles in private sales.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Taking the Excelsior as an example, in show and game canon, the Excelsior is still in service up to and including the chronologically latest period that is covered in Star Trek. It is currently being produced by the 25th century starfleet shipyards. Therefore it makes perfect sense that the Excelsior is a C-store ship.
The TOS Constitution is a ship that was retired in show/movie canon and in game canon around 100 years before STO. It existed in game as a T1 version to placate certain players but unlike the Excelsior, it was NOT upgraded through the years and it is NOT produced currently by the 25th century starfleet. It's still technically a retired ship.
The T6 Constitutions that we see in game today are also not produced by the 25th century starfleet, unlike the Excelsior. They are temporal ships that are upgraded presumably by Daniels organization and they are "brought to the future" by our characters who are temporal agents. They are not being mass produced in 25th century shipyards. Therefore they are NOT faction ships that are readily available in the C-Store, so it makes perfect sense that they are promo ships. Could they have added them to the C-Store like the AoY mega bundle of ships? Yes, but they were never required to.
Going by this, all temporal ships and any other ships not part of the faction should be in lock and R&D boxes. Even the futuristic ones. Since they was based after the current time. I counted at least 10 alone in the Fed line up that should be promo only.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
Yes the AOY pack of ships should be promo as well. As they are not faction.
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Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
Not as pissed as I would be if I willfully threw away a ~BILLION Ec for an entirely unremarkable admiralty card.
So I'm kind of thinking it didn't happen.
Being critical doesn't take skill. Being constructively critical- which is providing alternative solutions or suggestions to a demonstrated problem, however, does.
I really like this idea. Tired of people posting in here about how unfair Cryptic is. Life is unfair in general. The sooner the overly entitled and overly sensitive learn this the easier their life will be.
How does not getting the ship you want stack up against recieving a diagnosis of "Yes, it is cancer. I'd suggest you get your affairs in order as quickly as you can."? Happened to a very good friend of mine who used to play this game avidly.
Until he died.
You want a stupid ship in a stupid game, OP? I want my friend back. Alive and cancer free. Sucks to be both of us, don't it?
@farmallm
I cant blame people for spending thier money, I can blame them for whining when things arent made available to them in the way that they want, just bdcause thats the way they want it.
The Connie to me is not just for a trophy. It's much more. It's my #1 ship. It would have been used full time on my AOY captain. And the main ship I wanted for high in gaming. I had good hopes from the AOY when it came out. Now it's the worst expansion ever. This took the title from WoW cata expansion. That was on my list. I will get over it in due time. Thats how it goes.
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As am I.
But speaking in general,
I think when people talk about games, they should generally be assumed to be talking at the level of importance that include such minor things as games. And when people bring real life problems into those discussions, they've escalated the level of rhetoric past the point of reason.
"X happened, all your thoughts on this game is insignificant". Well, yes- they are. But that wasn't what we were talking about now is it? If we want to get into real world suck- I can run that game too- but I won't. And despite my real world problems and losses- I can still talk about what I and others want in a insignificant game without playing that card.
That said, people who have suffered serious losses recently can be forgiven for this. It is hard, and there are many ways of dealing with it. Some early reactions aren't ideal, but one can't always select the best ones out of the gate.
The T5 D7, Andorian Kumari, Vulcan D'Kyr, and T'Varo (note, mostly ENT era ships) all beg to differ with you.
The entire "age and/or production state of a ship" ship has sailed so long ago that it's lapped the world, resupplied, and is on it's second tour, at least.
The "rules", up to now, have been pretty straightforward. If it's a ship designed according to "standard factional design rules", it's a C-store ship. If it's an "non-standard factional" ship, it's "restricted".
One would think that the 3 "original iconic ships that set the standards for most/all future designs" would fall under "standard factional design rules", but who are we to judge?
On that note, I'll say that in many ways the Kelvin ships (especially Konnie) are walking the "fine line" between C-store and lockbox as well, but it's a lot easier to throw the whole "alternate universe = just barely non-factional enough" on those than the standard Connie...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
This does come off as another slap in the face for TOS fans, "Yes you can after 6 years have your iconic ship, but it will cost you big time.".
That said, I accept their choice in the matter. I can understand that it was too much money for a company to pass up on.
And I can even see a bright side- if they run the promotion in the future- all is well as highly desired things in MMOs should be difficult to get. Viewed that way, I feel sorry for the fans of the other iconic ships for they basically don't have to do anything to get theirs and thus they won't have the personal value that I have for my Connie.
And I also feel sorry for the NX-01 fans. Now they get to the be the only guys out of luck.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
What you said I agree. From this I will be cautious on what money I spend on STO for now on. And will no longer take part in their promos or lottery boxes. So they lost $ on this customer.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
Luck is not nor ever will be a skill that qualifies one for earning something.
Which is why people want it in the C-store. But why actually debate people when you can throw up a stawman?
I'm just glad the F2P model here is so unusually generous (compare to, say, SWTOR, or the level-capped, heavily gelded version of WoW).
Accusing people of wanting it free is a straw man, don't try to deflect it with the usual endless praises for shady capitalist practices.
To earn something you have to complete a task or achieve a goal to earn.
1. Is it obtainable in game. By completing missions, a series of task, or a goal. - No
2. Is it obtainable through game currency. Like zen, lobi, or Dil. - No
So going by this, it meets none of the said requirements of usual methods to earn something in game or using the game. From Cryptic own blog on it. Chance to win an all new 23rd Century Tier 6 Starship! Oh look there, Chance. There for you going by luck. Not by earning. So basically play our game, throw lots and lots of $ at it. In hopes you win! This is not earning nothing. This is like you working for me for a year. Each week there will be 52 sealed letters. One is your week's pay. So go have fun and pick one out per week. Good luck you earned it. And I will make lots of money off your labor.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.