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Bad attempt of making a "Phase two" Star Trek show.
bjornfried
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I just watched the Trailer for Discovery. And i never thought that i would say it.
But comparerd to that, JJ'S Enterprise looks absolutely gorgeous, and the Sspecial effects, just "WOW!"
They seriously used a rendering that is worse than most Fanmovies would use?
With a set from a rejected Movie attempt, of the early 70's?
With a Ship for wich they put in no design effort at all, because they just grabbed it out of a trashcan?
No thanks!
I watch Fanprojects only, in the future, if they concider that piece of "Star Destroyer garbage", a serious succesor, to the famed USS ENTERPRISE.
I hope the Borg come and tear it to shreads...Oh wait!
They allready did!
WOLF359. There she is to see, as a stupid filler object.
Seriously why dont they just use one of the hundreds of beautifull and fan aproved, designs from Memory beta / Alpha?
A Proxima class would have been nice.
Or a Conny variant.
Theres just so many good stuff!
If they cant be bothererd with making a unike design, just take a good one CBS!
And then the CGI... Just below even early Star Trek new voyages, standards.
Just bad so bad. I have seen Fan-vignette,s with better optics and better special effects.
I dont know. the story must be downright Monstergigantomanik, Godzillaesk-awesome ,or that show is dead, before it even aired.
I am not Satisfied.
But comparerd to that, JJ'S Enterprise looks absolutely gorgeous, and the Sspecial effects, just "WOW!"
They seriously used a rendering that is worse than most Fanmovies would use?
With a set from a rejected Movie attempt, of the early 70's?
With a Ship for wich they put in no design effort at all, because they just grabbed it out of a trashcan?
No thanks!
I watch Fanprojects only, in the future, if they concider that piece of "Star Destroyer garbage", a serious succesor, to the famed USS ENTERPRISE.
I hope the Borg come and tear it to shreads...Oh wait!
They allready did!
WOLF359. There she is to see, as a stupid filler object.
Seriously why dont they just use one of the hundreds of beautifull and fan aproved, designs from Memory beta / Alpha?
A Proxima class would have been nice.
Or a Conny variant.
Theres just so many good stuff!
If they cant be bothererd with making a unike design, just take a good one CBS!
And then the CGI... Just below even early Star Trek new voyages, standards.
Just bad so bad. I have seen Fan-vignette,s with better optics and better special effects.
I dont know. the story must be downright Monstergigantomanik, Godzillaesk-awesome ,or that show is dead, before it even aired.
I am not Satisfied.
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Not The Final Product.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
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I admit it's not the best ship design, I didn't react well to it the first ten minutes.
BUT- the nacelles are VERY interesting, and they have that Star Trek movie refit era feel with the vintage Cadillac design style elements in it's straight/curving angles and little details.
This is clearly a ship that represents the era between Undiscovered Country and The next Generation. It has some Constellation class elements to it such as it's saucer and large shuttle bay and nacelles that seem to house three small nacelles in one larger casing (being a ship that uses several nacelles), as well as some very early Galaxy class elements such as the flattened star drive design, and vastly disproportionate sections.
Remember that many people HATED the Galaxy class Enterprise D at first. (some still dislike it), and it has a massive huge saucer and a tiny flat star drive...
The Discovery seems to be reversed, with a huge star drive, and larger nacelles. Its shuttle bay is proportionately huge, leaning toward this being a carrier of some type. The phaser turrets are plentiful as well. This old ship can kick butt!
This ship is one of Starfleets Early Deep Space exploration vessels, built to encounter "anything."
Look at some of the ships in trek, the Defiant, some of the kit bashed Voyager Saucers with a Maquis back end that float past DS9- Starfleet doesn't only make pretty ships! SO we get USS Discovery, not the most gorgeous starship, granted- BUT this show is going to be focusing on the characters. It's also going to be a bit grittier. The late 23rd century/early 24th century era was still kind of dark and has a more Battle Star Galactica feel to it.
Once you look at this ship and let her grow/see the final product on the show, the Discovery is really kind of beautiful in a utilitarian sense. I am enjoying her more and more. I'd fly her in STO.
I never hated the Galaxy, Defiant, or Voyager. I liked them all. Only thing on Voyager was the nacelles that moved. I saw it a weak point in the design. Defiant, its made for combat so they wanted nothing to be weak. Galaxy looked a little odd at first, but it still looked great.
TRIBBLE is on the track for not a good show for me to watch either. The choice of ship already is a huge let down.
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I saw that too, and laughed.
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Whether each crew's perspective is all set in the same time by using a Romulan crew, Starfleet crew, and Klingon crew pre-TNG or pre-TOS or each crew is set in a different time like have a Starfleet crew in pre-TOS, pre-TNG, and post-Nemesis remains to be seen. So one arc could be set pre-TOS, then the next arc is set pre-TNG.
On the other hand, as I've said before, it does look to me like an early attempt at brute-forcing a Constitution-like performance with less-effective technologies, like making the engines more powerful by shoving multiple warp nacelles into a single housing. Compare, for instance, early jet-fighter technology with a modern F-22, or WWI-era tanks with an M1A1.
Exactly.
Early concepts of the KT-Enterprise didn't look any better either, tbh
It's possibly some kind of joint venture between the Fed's and the Klingons and the reason the ship seems 'dated' is because it is a really old, rejected class-type that never went into production.
It's the type of ship one wouldn't mind letting ones enemy's on, because the technology is so dated as to be useless if stolen.
I'm hoping that the Discovery is intended to be a space born attempt at a "Nimbus III-The Planet Of Galactic Peace" and the whole point of the series is to show how, despite nobody really believing it will work, the mixed crew actually manages to make it succeed.
Though the early episodes will be rife with turmoil, we slowly see the Starfleet and Klingon Defense Force crew members begin to work together as the series progresses.
The one thing I worry about is that they find an Actor (male or female) that has the chops to carry off being the captain of this kind of crew.
Be even more interesting if they pick someone who looks like they wouldn't have a chance, but turns out to be perfect for the job.
I could see both sides putting the worst of the worst up as the crew, in an attempt to scuttle the idea, only to have it all work out in the end.
Kind of like a "Dirty Dozen" in space.
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Same here. If it is worse than ENT (which would be very challenging to accomplish IMO), I can still decide to not continue watching.
The design itself isn't a placeholder. But the model in the trailer isn't using polished textures, which is what is making it look "unfinished". It will more than likely look a lot better by the time we see it again, but it'll still be the same ship.
And considering the very low registry number the ship seems to have, it seems to be a ship class even older than the Constitution, but newer than the Daedalus.
This could put it in the ambiguous era of around the first Federation-Klingon War.
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Ok. This really needs to stop.
Yes they showed an unfinished product. AT A COMIC CON!
This happens all the time.
Just a week or so prior to that, Rogue One's second trailer was shown at A Star Wars Story Celebration in Europe.
And they had all of these panels. One of the ones I watched ravenously was a sit down with the people behind Ashoka Tano. And they showed a TON of unfinished product revolving around the character. I'm talking design sketches. I'm talking origin story material that ended up on the cutting room floor. An entire scene that was cut out that was using CGI that was half done, and had placheholder models in it.
But no one complained. Why? Because we KNEW what this was. This was behind the scenes. This was a teaser. This was extra. This is the kind of stuff that shows up at cons all the time.
This was fan service.
I got to see Serenity as part of a test audience 6 entire months before it came out.
The soundtrack wasn't finished. There were whole chunks of the film without sound.
This kind of thing happens! It's not something to complain about. In fact, since I got to see Serenity before pretty much most of the planet, I was more than OK that it wasn't finished.
Get over this people. You saw something WHILE it was being worked on. Enjoy the sneak peek. And come to the realization that this is a very typical thing. That YES, seriously, they released unfinished CGI.
And here she is from another angle
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where as I really hated that design.
point? Don't assume what YOU like = what most like
And I said that was my personal opinion, or did you miss that?
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Gee, that didn't take long, did it?
I have not seen the Comic-Con trailer. No interest in looking at something Sales and Marketing hurriedly trotted out to create hype. Think I'll wait until the series starts before I begun spluttering with righteous indignation. So I can decide for myself.
It is all strange and mysterious, and obviously intended to stir gossip. I'm not sold on the ship design myself. Hopefully the crew is good.
Which is it a departure from? The Constitution? The Oberth? The Nebula? The Defiant? Or the Olympic?
While that is a very fine attitude to take (I'm not being sarcastic, good on you), I'd still say check it out if anything just to hear the really nice snippet of music that goes with it.
They tell me the Galaxy got a lot of hate when TNG came out, too.
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While she says the ship design is what they're going for, even though they only had 3 weeks to make the trailer and couldn't show it in it's best light, they'll continue to refine it. Hopefully their definition of "refine" includes binning and starting from scratch if needed
That said, I remember seeing the pre-launch adverts for TNG Enterprise and thinking how absurd it looked compared to TOS. I'd love to be proved wrong like that again.
Whatever that F-DN is, that's a cool design btw.
It's actually based off an old unused Ralph McQuarrie design from 1977.