The pilot episode has not run yet and people are already proclaiming they don't like the ship?
Gee, that didn't take long, did it?
The only thing the "trailer" showed was the ship. It's design is a significant departure from previously seen Federation designs (appearing to be a hybrid of traditional Klingon-Federation vessels).
It's actually based off an old unused Ralph McQuarrie design from 1977.
And as an added goodie, here's some images I found a while back on what McQuarrie's design might look like if done today with modern technology, just to see what she could have been:
Tell me something I'm curious about, as the (original) Constitution class was retired at the end of the Undiscovered Country film with so the new Excelsior class replacing them, why would people believe that they'd go backwards to what appears to be a pre-federation or early federation design?
It should be obvious from looking at it that this is, probably, going to be set before The Original Series.
Hopefully it will turn out to be set before the Original Series, hopefully it won't TRIBBLE all over established canon and history without resorting to 'holodeck adventure' or 'alternate timeline' cop-outs for bad writing.
As for me, I'll expect the worse. If it turns out I'm wrong, that's great, it'll be a pleasant surprise.
But I seriously doubt it, going on previous and latest Star Trek stuff from them.
I like to think of Star Trek: Discovery as kicking off a second decade of everyone actually involved in creating new Star Trek completely ignoring a very particular class of Star Trek "fan".
You mean the fans who declare "I hate it so all Star Trek fans will" then falls back on No True Scotsman when wrong?
With a hull number of 1031, the vessel is 670 ships ahead of Kirk's Enterprise and 1030 after Archer's Enterprise, so about halfway between the two time-wise. I'd say that while Discovery is undertaking its voyages, Jim Kirk is teaching at the Academy. (You either think, or sink.)
This is the era in which the fan-fic Axanar was supposed to be set, unless you consider the Star Trek Comic as canon, in which case it's the generation before Captain April commissions 1701. (For some reason, Enterprise was over 20 years old when Kirk got it according to the comic, and yet it was a state-of-the-art heavy cruiser in TOS, with only twelve ships like her in the fleet.)
When I saw the trailer I too was disappointed. I know the design is thirty or more years old, and I realize the trailer was rushed for the event, but I think it was a design which was not used for a reason: it looks like a star destroyer with Enterprise' saucer and nacelles tacked on. I've done better and I'm not a graphic artist.
Cryptic has a dozen models which are superior to that design. If there is a season 2, I hope it goes to another ship and crew.
I admit it's not the best ship design, I didn't react well to it the first ten minutes.
BUT- the nacelles are VERY interesting, and they have that Star Trek movie refit era feel with the vintage Cadillac design style elements in it's straight/curving angles and little details.
This is clearly a ship that represents the era between Undiscovered Country and The next Generation. It has some Constellation class elements to it such as it's saucer and large shuttle bay and nacelles that seem to house three small nacelles in one larger casing (being a ship that uses several nacelles), as well as some very early Galaxy class elements such as the flattened star drive design, and vastly disproportionate sections.
Remember that many people HATED the Galaxy class Enterprise D at first. (some still dislike it), and it has a massive huge saucer and a tiny flat star drive...
The Discovery seems to be reversed, with a huge star drive, and larger nacelles. Its shuttle bay is proportionately huge, leaning toward this being a carrier of some type. The phaser turrets are plentiful as well. This old ship can kick butt!
This ship is one of Starfleets Early Deep Space exploration vessels, built to encounter "anything."
Look at some of the ships in trek, the Defiant, some of the kit bashed Voyager Saucers with a Maquis back end that float past DS9- Starfleet doesn't only make pretty ships! SO we get USS Discovery, not the most gorgeous starship, granted- BUT this show is going to be focusing on the characters. It's also going to be a bit grittier. The late 23rd century/early 24th century era was still kind of dark and has a more Battle Star Galactica feel to it.
Once you look at this ship and let her grow/see the final product on the show, the Discovery is really kind of beautiful in a utilitarian sense. I am enjoying her more and more. I'd fly her in STO.
And the Defiant and Voyager are very goos looking ships. And they are, because countless hours where spend for them to look good. .
That's a matter of opinion. I won't disagree that the Intrepid class is a good looking ship - it's a wonderful, elegant, design. But the Defiant class? There is, in my opinion nothing special about that thing at all.
Thats the thing about the defiant:
The absence of finesse is such a contrast to Usual Starfleet designs.
Look at the norway, the Akira, the Steamrunner and the Saber. They all are essentially made for wartime but still have these litttle giveaways that clearly define them as starfleet. Struts, nacelles, seperated hull segments...
Now take the defiant, and paint it another color but starfleet Grey. Heck ,go into the game and slap on the delta alliance shield.
Its a brick with little callbacks to othr starfleet ships.
She's just different and thats what many people like.
Now, the New ship shown in that trailer has problems:
It has a distinct ripoff look as far as overall shape goes. D7 Wings? Cardassian galor hull? The Back of the ship is totally undefined and barren, ugly even.
The nacelles look to modern in shape and yet look like trash issue hardware, by having these awful, caged bussard collectors. I mean wtf.. Don't those work better if they are, yknow, bigger?
The best thing that trailer had was the piece of music.
Keep the composer, fire the dude who selects ships.
The absence of finesse is such a contrast to Usual Starfleet designs.
Look at the norway, the Akira, the Steamrunner and the Saber. They all are essentially made for wartime but still have these litttle giveaways that clearly define them as starfleet. Struts, nacelles, seperated hull segments...
Now take the defiant, and paint it another color but starfleet Grey. Heck ,go into the game and slap on the delta alliance shield.
Its a brick with little callbacks to othr starfleet ships.
She's just different and thats what many people like.
Now, the New ship shown in that trailer has problems:
It has a distinct ripoff look as far as overall shape goes. D7 Wings? Cardassian galor hull? The Back of the ship is totally undefined and barren, ugly even.
The nacelles look to modern in shape and yet look like trash issue hardware, by having these awful, caged bussard collectors. I mean wtf.. Don't those work better if they are, yknow, bigger?
You can make a lot of the same points about the discovery that you just made about the Defiant.
Hopefully it will turn out to be set before the Original Series, hopefully it won't **** all over established canon and history without resorting to 'holodeck adventure' or 'alternate timeline' cop-outs for bad writing.
Since Fuller plans each season to have an overall arc, and be written ahead of time, it seems likely that your hope is justified. Part of the problem with ENT was that for the first season, they didn't really have any ideas besides "early days of Starfleet"; they weren't even really building up to the founding of the Federation. So episodes were written loosely, with little if any regard for canon and almost no internal canon of their own, because the producers just didn't care.
Hopefully it will turn out to be set before the Original Series, hopefully it won't **** all over established canon and history without resorting to 'holodeck adventure' or 'alternate timeline' cop-outs for bad writing.
Since Fuller plans each season to have an overall arc, and be written ahead of time, it seems likely that your hope is justified. Part of the problem with ENT was that for the first season, they didn't really have any ideas besides "early days of Starfleet"; they weren't even really building up to the founding of the Federation. So episodes were written loosely, with little if any regard for canon and almost no internal canon of their own, because the producers just didn't care.
The pilot episode has not run yet and people are already proclaiming they don't like the ship?
Gee, that didn't take long, did it?
The only thing the "trailer" showed was the ship. It's design is a significant departure from previously seen Federation designs (appearing to be a hybrid of traditional Klingon-Federation vessels).
It's actually based off an old unused Ralph McQuarrie design from 1977.
A note:
The ship itself isn't totally unused, as a studio model was built and it has appeared as a background ship several times.
i see people saying it looks like part Klingon design, but to me it looks more Vulcan influenced... i know it's not typical Vulcan design, but when the flyby is done from the bottom it looks like the IDIC with nacelles... and yeah from the number i'm going with it's long before Kirks Enterprise...
i see people saying it looks like part Klingon design, but to me it looks more Vulcan influenced... i know it's not typical Vulcan design, but when the flyby is done from the bottom it looks like the IDIC with nacelles... and yeah from the number i'm going with it's long before Kirks Enterprise...
Whereabouts would you put NCC 1017? The USS Constellation? Matt Decker's ship?
How about pre-orders for the commercial slots during the pilot airing? We're not talking Superbowl per-second values, but that's got to be some prime advertising real estate. Love it or hate it, it's going to be a bona fide EVENT.
With a hull number of 1031, the vessel is 670 ships ahead of Kirk's Enterprise and 1030 after Archer's Enterprise, so about halfway between the two time-wise. I'd say that while Discovery is undertaking its voyages, Jim Kirk is teaching at the Academy. (You either think, or sink.)
This is the era in which the fan-fic Axanar was supposed to be set, unless you consider the Star Trek Comic as canon, in which case it's the generation before Captain April commissions 1701. (For some reason, Enterprise was over 20 years old when Kirk got it according to the comic, and yet it was a state-of-the-art heavy cruiser in TOS, with only twelve ships like her in the fleet.)
When I saw the trailer I too was disappointed. I know the design is thirty or more years old, and I realize the trailer was rushed for the event, but I think it was a design which was not used for a reason: it looks like a star destroyer with Enterprise' saucer and nacelles tacked on. I've done better and I'm not a graphic artist.
Cryptic has a dozen models which are superior to that design. If there is a season 2, I hope it goes to another ship and crew.
Sorry your math is off. 1701 is 670 AHEAD of 1031 not the other way around. For your statement to read correctly it should be : "With a hull number of 1031 the vessel is 670 ships BEHIND of Kirks Enterprise and 1030 AHEAD of Archer's NX-01."
Here. Yamato. Klingons academy. Superheavy BB armed with 2 starbase grade phaser emitter and a shiite ton oif phasers and torpedoes.
Wow. That is an utterly hideous abomination of a kitbash.
I kind of like it . Could be the first STO ship with dual primary deflectors. Its at least 12-20 times cooler to me than that double necked garbage scow shown up-thread .
Here. Yamato. Klingons academy. Superheavy BB armed with 2 starbase grade phaser emitter and a shiite ton oif phasers and torpedoes.
Wow. That is an utterly hideous abomination of a kitbash.
I kind of like it . Could be the first STO ship with dual primary deflectors. Its at least 12-20 times cooler to me than that double necked garbage scow shown up-thread .
I kinda hate it but the model and textures are so dated there might actually be a gem of a ship in there if it got cleaned up
Sorry your math is off. 1701 is 670 AHEAD of 1031 not the other way around. For your statement to read correctly it should be : "With a hull number of 1031 the vessel is 670 ships BEHIND of Kirks Enterprise and 1030 AHEAD of Archer's NX-01."
I meant what I said and said what I meant. 1031 is the older ship, and thus it was built before 1701. If it were a race it would be ahead of Enterprise. Likewise, NX-01 came before 1031, and is thus ahead of it. Everything that comes after NX-01 comes behind it.
I want this to work. I like Star Trek. I'm hoping that TRIBBLE is a placeholder. The advantage of CGI productions is that they are not in for an 11 foot custom model; Then maybe that is part of the problem.
Those production drawings of that thing are rancid. Did they do this after viewing Star Wars? It looks like they took parts intrinsic to Trek (Saucer and nacelles) and slapped them on a sandcrawler or star destroyer.
I couldn't be more thrilled with the design, as I'd been admiring it for decades from my old Starlog magazine. A real R.McQuarrie painting brought to life.
Sorry your math is off. 1701 is 670 AHEAD of 1031 not the other way around. For your statement to read correctly it should be : "With a hull number of 1031 the vessel is 670 ships BEHIND of Kirks Enterprise and 1030 AHEAD of Archer's NX-01."
I meant what I said and said what I meant. 1031 is the older ship, and thus it was built before 1701. If it were a race it would be ahead of Enterprise. Likewise, NX-01 came before 1031, and is thus ahead of it. Everything that comes after NX-01 comes behind it.
Your registry number math doesn't work when applied to the USS Constellation, NCC 1071, the ship Commodore Decker was in charge of in the Doomsday Machine.
Registry numbers don't work like the way you are suggesting they do. Right now the Discovery is complete mystery and using the registry number to guess time period isn't a reliable method going off of the evidence found in Star Trek's own history.
I told a few times you can't go by the registry numbers to show what year. Just in the Constitution class alone. There is like 6 ships that doesn't fit the pattern. That is only the beginning.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
Another retcon. Modelers had just the one Enterprise model and to make it seem like more ships were out there, registry numbers were used that fit in the spaces of the original 1701. Later on it was determined that the hull numbers were supposed to have been sequential, but by then it had already been on screen.
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And as an added goodie, here's some images I found a while back on what McQuarrie's design might look like if done today with modern technology, just to see what she could have been:
It should be obvious from looking at it that this is, probably, going to be set before The Original Series.
Hopefully it will turn out to be set before the Original Series, hopefully it won't TRIBBLE all over established canon and history without resorting to 'holodeck adventure' or 'alternate timeline' cop-outs for bad writing.
As for me, I'll expect the worse. If it turns out I'm wrong, that's great, it'll be a pleasant surprise.
But I seriously doubt it, going on previous and latest Star Trek stuff from them.
You mean the fans who declare "I hate it so all Star Trek fans will" then falls back on No True Scotsman when wrong?
This is the era in which the fan-fic Axanar was supposed to be set, unless you consider the Star Trek Comic as canon, in which case it's the generation before Captain April commissions 1701. (For some reason, Enterprise was over 20 years old when Kirk got it according to the comic, and yet it was a state-of-the-art heavy cruiser in TOS, with only twelve ships like her in the fleet.)
When I saw the trailer I too was disappointed. I know the design is thirty or more years old, and I realize the trailer was rushed for the event, but I think it was a design which was not used for a reason: it looks like a star destroyer with Enterprise' saucer and nacelles tacked on. I've done better and I'm not a graphic artist.
Cryptic has a dozen models which are superior to that design. If there is a season 2, I hope it goes to another ship and crew.
THe Used FX, well, that can be shord up.. but that ship model... lol.... it does not even look like soemthing the pakled would want to be seen in.
If you guys are already picking things from games like that Federation Dreadnoguht from Klingon academy... go get the cool guys.
Here. Yamato. Klingons academy. Superheavy BB armed with 2 starbase grade phaser emitter and a shiite ton oif phasers and torpedoes.
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Or the New Starfleet shisp from Aramda 3...
Thats the thing about the defiant:
The absence of finesse is such a contrast to Usual Starfleet designs.
Look at the norway, the Akira, the Steamrunner and the Saber. They all are essentially made for wartime but still have these litttle giveaways that clearly define them as starfleet. Struts, nacelles, seperated hull segments...
Now take the defiant, and paint it another color but starfleet Grey. Heck ,go into the game and slap on the delta alliance shield.
Its a brick with little callbacks to othr starfleet ships.
She's just different and thats what many people like.
Now, the New ship shown in that trailer has problems:
It has a distinct ripoff look as far as overall shape goes. D7 Wings? Cardassian galor hull? The Back of the ship is totally undefined and barren, ugly even.
The nacelles look to modern in shape and yet look like trash issue hardware, by having these awful, caged bussard collectors. I mean wtf.. Don't those work better if they are, yknow, bigger?
The best thing that trailer had was the piece of music.
Keep the composer, fire the dude who selects ships.
You can make a lot of the same points about the discovery that you just made about the Defiant.
So it is the best Star Trek series and the fan's love it?
Couldn't resist....
My character Tsin'xing
A note:
The ship itself isn't totally unused, as a studio model was built and it has appeared as a background ship several times.
See:
It just was never used as an Enterprise.
Whereabouts would you put NCC 1017? The USS Constellation? Matt Decker's ship?
Sorry your math is off. 1701 is 670 AHEAD of 1031 not the other way around. For your statement to read correctly it should be : "With a hull number of 1031 the vessel is 670 ships BEHIND of Kirks Enterprise and 1030 AHEAD of Archer's NX-01."
Wow. That is an utterly hideous abomination of a kitbash.
I kind of like it
apparently you missed the part in your own statement where "most would of gone ape over it."
I kinda hate it but the model and textures are so dated there might actually be a gem of a ship in there if it got cleaned up
I meant what I said and said what I meant. 1031 is the older ship, and thus it was built before 1701. If it were a race it would be ahead of Enterprise. Likewise, NX-01 came before 1031, and is thus ahead of it. Everything that comes after NX-01 comes behind it.
Those production drawings of that thing are rancid. Did they do this after viewing Star Wars? It looks like they took parts intrinsic to Trek (Saucer and nacelles) and slapped them on a sandcrawler or star destroyer.
The USS "Batteries Not Included"?
Your registry number math doesn't work when applied to the USS Constellation, NCC 1071, the ship Commodore Decker was in charge of in the Doomsday Machine.
Registry numbers don't work like the way you are suggesting they do. Right now the Discovery is complete mystery and using the registry number to guess time period isn't a reliable method going off of the evidence found in Star Trek's own history.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.