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    staq16staq16 Member Posts: 1,181 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    daveyny wrote: »
    Using a T6 ships high cost in comparison to the outrageous prices of some of the most requested clothing from the IP is nonsensical.

    There are other reasonable options available to acquire those particular ships and other ships like them in the game that are much less expensive and work just as well if not better in some cases.

    There is only ONE WAY to get these particular 'desired' items and it is more than extremely time consuming for the average player on the order of many months to a year or more.
    Contrary to what appears to be popular belief in these forums, "Binge Farming" is not a typical play style for most STO gamers.

    OK, I'll bite. Other than the previous cost of outfits, why is it nonsensical to compare the two?

    I have no idea of the relative programming effort required for an outfit or a ship, but I will guess it's comparable. Ultimately you're buying a virtual service because it makes the game more fun to play. The MACO outfit would represent a better spend for me (personally) than 90% of ships in game, because the latter would be no fun to me; however I'm a big ENT fan and already have a pseudo-MACO team of BOffs using the Mercenary uniform, so this would actually have a lot of play value. (Not sure I will actually buy it, but that's why I am tempted when I can earn the dil / zen).

    So to borrow your argument, if you want "outfits like them" there are already close alternatives available; the Mercenary or WoK Z-store sets, if you want ground tactical or movie-era uniforms.
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    daviesdaviesdaviesdavies Member Posts: 277 Arc User
    if people just invest a couple thousand ZEN to make a couple toon slots

    250x 8k refinement = 1 awsome dili outfit ( cough cough )


    5 toons = 50 days ( Normal F2P Account )

    10 toons = 25 days

    25 toons = 10 days

    50 toons = 5 days




    How badly do you want those PIXELS ?


    If want to make propre DiliSink


    it is better to make Ship Skins

    for example

    - Golden/Latnium Plated ship skins ( you already have those golden ferengi ships... )


    Ground no much interest ...












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    redvengeredvenge Member Posts: 1,425 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    staq16 wrote: »
    OK, I'll bite. Other than the previous cost of outfits, why is it nonsensical to compare the two?
    Z-store purchases are account-wide. Dilithium Store purchases are per character. Seems a bit much to pay for a triple-pack for EVERY character you own.
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    sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    @sheldonlcooper

    As a life long Trek fan I'm calling **** on you claiming the Trek fans ate gone from STO.

    I said "Vast majority" and I'm calling **** to your post as well.
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    sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    nah, i'm right as usual. you deal with it.
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    talasivaritalasivari Member Posts: 59 Arc User
    anazonda wrote: »
    How can anyone have less than 200K dil?

    Theres nothing to spend it on..?

    There are lots of new players and lots of new fleets still.

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    ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    Oh, shut up already. Save the invective for Cryptic.
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    daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited July 2016
    ltminns wrote: »
    Oh, shut up already. Save the invective for Cryptic.

    Really..., we should be attacking THEM, not each other!

    Why does that sound like it's a quote from a movie...?
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    shevetshevet Member Posts: 1,667 Arc User
    Bizarrely, the more I think this one over, the more it makes sense to me.

    Cryptic want to put some downwards pressure on the dilithium exchange rate, so they are providing a dilithium sink.

    To stand any chance of being successful, this dilithium sink must have three main properties:-

    1. It must cost an awful lot of dilithium. (Like, nearly two years' worth of refining on a single toon.)

    2. It has to be something that won't affect gameplay. Because if this whatever-it-is gives massive bonuses in regular play, like some super-ship, super-console or super-weapon, the people who can't afford it (which is going to be the vast majority of us, see point 1) will - quite rightly - protest that they're being disadvantaged, that there's no longer a level playing field, that the well-off can "pay to win". So the dil sink must be a pure vanity item. Like, say, a costume.

    3. It has to be something that, despite the obscene price tag, people will still want to buy. Something like... costume pieces people have been asking for practically since the game came out. Sure, you could put in things like monocles or gold plating on your spaceship, but those are silly frills that virtually nobody will be interested in. But beaming down with your away team and looking like Jim Kirk in TWOK when you do it... that's Star Trek, man, Trekkies want that. (I know. I'm a Trekkie and I want it.)

    So... I see their reasoning, here. I may not like it very much (I'm not a whale, I'm barely even a malnourished porpoise, I can't afford this stuff), and it's too early to tell if enough people will want this to take a significant amount of dilithium out of the exchange. But I definitely see the reasoning. It is logical, Captain.
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    tempus64tempus64 Member Posts: 806 Arc User
    shevet wrote: »
    It is logical, Captain.

    Of course it is. If they were targeting the "average joe", it would be a lot less expensive. If they wanted something that someone a little less casual could earn over some number of months, it would be cheaper. The current pricing is clearly aimed at 2 segments of STO. Those sitting on piles of Dil and those that spend real cash to get dil. This is not aimed at probably 95% of the STO population, which, has filled 15 pages with crying. Interestingly, we've seen the people targeted for these items in the thread posting that they bought them. Those that spend cash, and those sitting on lots of Dil. So at least part of the goal has been achieved for Cryptic. So while so many people can cry about it, they can't say the price is too high anymore since people are buying them. It's simply too high for the whiners.
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    iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    A vast majority of Real™ Star Trek fans would give me 5 bucks.​​
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    equinox976equinox976 Member Posts: 2,277 Arc User
    It's a luxury item you don't need. If you don't need it, don't buy it.

    What is the problem?

    If McDonalds decided to start selling gold 'flaked' burgers for £1000 (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/foodanddrinknews/11143554/Chef-creates-worlds-most-expensive-burger-cost-1100.html) I would simply not buy it...

    Cryptic is a private company and charge whatever they like. If you don't like it... don't buy it.
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    sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    is "damn near 100 percent" the same as vast majority? hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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    ikonn#1068 ikonn Member Posts: 1,449 Arc User
    Lol! Have some BitCoin.
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    whamhammer1whamhammer1 Member Posts: 2,290 Arc User
    I am laughing my head off on this one:

    1) Cryptic for thinking enough people would want to pay millions of dil' for Space Barbie, and how they wont really look like a few million dil' Space Barbie when they wear the outfits.

    2) The Space Bernie' crowd that has been beating the drum, complaining about how the F2P concept of the dil'/Zen exchange is unfair, and now will complain about how Space Barbie prices are unfair.

    3) All of the people crying about the need for another "dil' sink" and then complain about the Space Barbie Zen dil' sink.


    The only value I see in these outfits is the enterntainment of watching the chaos of the realization that all parties considered have shot themselves in the foot.

    I'm going to just set up this lawn chair, and pop a bowl of popcorn, and watch this "must see TV" type entertainment. I just hope no one owns the property and tries to charge me 1 million dil' to watch!
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    huskerklghuskerklg Member Posts: 561 Arc User
    This isn't communism where we get everything for free! Who said we were entitled to anything cheep?

    Who asked for Free? Those prices aren't on par with zen store pricing atm, even if we took the average from this year they are off by quite a bit.

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    huskerklghuskerklg Member Posts: 561 Arc User
    kapla5571 wrote: »

    150 / 5 * 125 * 500 = 1,875,000 Dilithium for a Lobi Store Costume.
    200 / 5 * 125 * 500 = 2,500,000 Dilithium for a Lobi Store Costume.

    Vs. 2,000,000 for a Dil store costume?

    Food for thought

    Hence why I don't buy Lobi Store costumes either.

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    huskerklghuskerklg Member Posts: 561 Arc User
    shevet wrote: »
    Bizarrely, the more I think this one over, the more it makes sense to me.

    Cryptic want to put some downwards pressure on the dilithium exchange rate, so they are providing a dilithium sink.

    Doesn't a sink actually have to be used wide spread, to actually be a sink?

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    huskerklghuskerklg Member Posts: 561 Arc User

    Right they are different and special, that's the point.

    That still puts the pricing way off even with them being 'special'.



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    ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    If this was their attempt at a Dilithium Sink then the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. To get the Dilithium Exchange rate down with a sink is one thing but to then run a Key and Services sale at the same time that is driving the Dilithium Exchange rate back up has you scratching your head.

    As I have said before this was a pretty stupid sink anyway. To draw Dilithium away from people that have too much they don't know what to do with it and that are not doing anything with it anyway wouldn't be affecting the market anyway. How many people would be buying Zen to buy Dilithium anyway for this overpriced stuff? If you were going to entice some into doing so that are on the fence, then a Zen Charge Bonus would help with that. None seen.
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    huskerklghuskerklg Member Posts: 561 Arc User
    [but there will still be a small core of people who covet these enough to earn them.

    Again if that is the case, it defeats the purpose of being a sink. Key words, "small core of people".

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    monkeybone13monkeybone13 Member Posts: 4,640 Arc User
    huskerklg wrote: »
    shevet wrote: »
    Bizarrely, the more I think this one over, the more it makes sense to me.

    Cryptic want to put some downwards pressure on the dilithium exchange rate, so they are providing a dilithium sink.

    Doesn't a sink actually have to be used wide spread, to actually be a sink?

    Time will tell.

    I think the prices are a bit too high, maybe 500k-1m dil would be more useful as a sink.

    But, at the same time, it's very good to have stuff like this for people to covet and work toward.

    It might be better if they'd made new stuff for it, widely desirable stuff, but there will still be a small core of people who covet these enough to earn them.

    500k dil at most seems reasonable for outfits.
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