I like the description implying the Kelvin Timeline is a pre-existing alternate universe, not a split in the timeline. That justifies any difference between the pre-incursion universes as not a problem. Though I do hope that there are similarities such that we could get Keener's species, the Nibirans (if they survived), the Franklin's class (as well as the Kelvins's and other JJ ships), and whatever planet Beyond takes place on in game.
Also, since its safe to say now that we'll get 0718 in the game, I even more want to get Brent Spiner in. Not only to have a stand alone Data mission, but to have one with him, 0718, and the Doctor. Maybe have them deal with the Automated Personnel Units, or the STO timeline's version of the alien force that made 0718, or some other appropriate thing.
The Kelvin Timeline (good name) seems now to be taking its place as an addition to Star Trek, rather than a replacement going forward. And it feels better to me that way.
Also, as a Foundry Author, I'm going to want to know whether we can make missions in that timeline or not.
As much as I hate the new movies (and I don't use the word lightly), I am willing to give it a try in game format and see if Cryptic can pull off a good story.
If they do that it would be a first and I'd be genuinely impressed.
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As much as I hate the new movies (and I don't use the word lightly), I am willing to give it a try in game format and see if Cryptic can pull off a good story.
So this will be the alternate parts to the T6 Connie(red collectors please) and straighten the CGI shuttle bay size screwup? And we'll have a 23rd century engineering? Might well be interesting...
This certainly brings player's full circle from that original STO Klingons trailer from 2009. Which had the '09 film starship in it. At this point, I just wish Cryptic would yank the endgame Constitution-class bandage off instead of sadistically peeling it off the raw skin of the interested player's. :P
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And yet, if Robert Orci is to be believed, Caitains look NOTHING like they're supposed to look. Nor do Klingons. JJ presented as a Back to the Future 2-esque timeline skew, and even in the mirror universe species things such as effects and what not look the same. I get wanting it in there and I'll admit I'm one of those people who said (and was glad) it was never going to happen. I'll accept I was not right, and be comforted that I have confidence Cryptic will make sure things work like they're supposed to.
And please, don't have a Connie on a planet, JJ/his cronies seem obsessed with it. Also, congrats JJ fans on your win. Though I don't look forward to seeing that ugly Vengeance class all over the place now.
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And yet, if Robert Orci is to be believed, Caitains look NOTHING like they're supposed to look. Nor do Klingons. JJ presented as a Back to the Future 2-esque timeline skew, and even in the mirror universe species things such as effects and what not look the same. I get wanting it in there and I'll admit I'm one of those people who said (and was glad) it was never going to happen. I'll accept I was not right, and be comforted that I have confidence Cryptic will make sure things work like they're supposed to.
And please, don't have a Connie on a planet, JJ/his cronies seem obsessed with it. Also, congrats JJ fans on your win. Though I don't look forward to seeing that ugly Vengeance class all over the place now.
Eh, the Klingons at least can be explained by having found a cure to the Augment virus from when they captured the Narada. I'm sure info about it was in there, somewhere in the same way the rest of the JJ Universe got a tech boost from the Narada. The Caitians are harder to explain, but, one can always assume they were hybrids or a subspecies.
The Gorn being from Andromeda is a lot harder to explain in my book.
Eh, the Klingons at least can be explained by having found a cure to the Augment virus from when they captured the Narada. I'm sure info about it was in there, somewhere in the same way the rest of the JJ Universe got a tech boost from the Narada.
AFAIK the KDF didn't capture anything. Instead, the Narada pwned one of their entire fleets single-handed.
As for the "tech boost", the destruction of the Kelvin in the AR sent history off-course, pushing Starfleet towards a more militaristic (and aggressive?) stance, and adjusting its R&D priorities in the process. Still remember Pike calling it "a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada". And then there was Adm. Marcus and his crazy plan with Khan.
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Eh, the Klingons at least can be explained by having found a cure to the Augment virus from when they captured the Narada. I'm sure info about it was in there, somewhere in the same way the rest of the JJ Universe got a tech boost from the Narada.
AFAIK the KDF didn't capture anything. Instead, the Narada pwned one of their entire fleets single-handed.
As for the "tech boost", the destruction of the Kelvin in the AR sent history off-course, pushing Starfleet towards a more militaristic (and aggressive?) stance. And then there was Adm. Marcus and his crazy plan with Khan.
After the Kelvin rammed the Narada it was disabled which allowed the shuttles from the Kelvin to escape. A bunch of Klingon ships decloak around it and Nero and co are taken prisoner for 25 years and then escape which is when that Klingon fleet gets trashed.
Even if you don't believe that happened because it wasn't shown in the film except for in deleted scenes it's still possible that information trickled back to the Klingons via the Federation that allowed them to cure the virus earlier.
After the Kelvin rammed the Narada it was disabled which allowed the shuttles from the Kelvin to escape. A bunch of Klingon ships decloak around it and Nero and co are taken prisoner for 25 years and then escape which is when that Klingon fleet gets trashed.
Even if you don't believe that happened because it wasn't shown in the film except for in deleted scenes it's still possible that information trickled back to the Klingons to the Federation that allowed them to cure the virus earlier.
*raises hands*
I only saw the movie, none of the deleted scenes If it was indeed mentioned somewhere that the Narada was captured by the Klingons for a period of time, then I stand corrected.
"Ad astra audacter eamus in alis fidelium."
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"To boldly go to the stars on the wings of the faithful."
After the Kelvin rammed the Narada it was disabled which allowed the shuttles from the Kelvin to escape. A bunch of Klingon ships decloak around it and Nero and co are taken prisoner for 25 years and then escape which is when that Klingon fleet gets trashed.
Even if you don't believe that happened because it wasn't shown in the film except for in deleted scenes it's still possible that information trickled back to the Klingons to the Federation that allowed them to cure the virus earlier.
*raises hands*
I only saw the movie, none of the deleted scenes If it was indeed mentioned somewhere that the Narada was captured by the Klingons for a period of time, then I stand corrected.
Heheh, fair enough. I'm not saying that's the answer but it works for me to explain the Klingons, at least. Some of the other things are harder to swallow.
A stupid contradiction with the rest of the Agents of Yesterday arc. Now Star Trek has had this problem since the original series. Is there only one timeline which has to be preserved, as in "Tomorrow is Yesterday"? Or is the many-universe concept correct and alternate timelines get created, as in "Mirror Mirror"? The various series have gone back and forth on this in a contradictory manner. This game itself is based on the many-worlds premise, since the original universe was not destroyed by the 2009 movie's time travel. Then we get Agents of Yesterday, with Daniels, Walker, and others constantly working to 'defend the timeline'. Yet if the many-worlds premise is true, the timeline doesn't need to be defended. All these characters devoting their lives to that end are just self-important fools.
While the various TV series have gone both ways, I can't recall Trek ever mixing them in the same episode. Yet that appears to be what will happen here. This contradiction better be addressed in the story.
The Caitians are harder to explain, but, one can always assume they were hybrids or a subspecies.
The Gorn being from Andromeda is a lot harder to explain in my book.
Well one explanation could be that they actually AREN'T Caitians and Orci was talking out of the opposite end of his digestive tract than he normally does. They never onscreen say they are so that's one option. I must have missed/forgotten the bit about Gorn and Andromeda
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Eh, the Klingons at least can be explained by having found a cure to the Augment virus from when they captured the Narada. I'm sure info about it was in there, somewhere in the same way the rest of the JJ Universe got a tech boost from the Narada.
AFAIK the KDF didn't capture anything. Instead, the Narada pwned one of their entire fleets single-handed.
As for the "tech boost", the destruction of the Kelvin in the AR sent history off-course, pushing Starfleet towards a more militaristic (and aggressive?) stance. And then there was Adm. Marcus and his crazy plan with Khan.
After the Kelvin rammed the Narada it was disabled which allowed the shuttles from the Kelvin to escape. A bunch of Klingon ships decloak around it and Nero and co are taken prisoner for 25 years and then escape which is when that Klingon fleet gets trashed.
Even if you don't believe that happened because it wasn't shown in the film except for in deleted scenes it's still possible that information trickled back to the Klingons via the Federation that allowed them to cure the virus earlier.
The Narada destroying 47 Klingon ships was still mentioned in the film, so either way the Narada and its crew still had an encounter with the KDF.
AFAIK the KDF didn't capture anything. Instead, the Narada pwned one of their entire fleets single-handed.
As for the "tech boost", the destruction of the Kelvin in the AR sent history off-course, pushing Starfleet towards a more militaristic (and aggressive?) stance, and adjusting its R&D priorities in the process. Still remember Pike calling it "a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada". And then there was Adm. Marcus and his crazy plan with Khan.
Admiral Marcus has a starship design lineage on display in his office, which includes the Vengeance as the latest model. He has a top secret starship openly on display?
There are far more severe goofs, but this one made me laugh out loud so I post it for comedic effect
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The Caitians are harder to explain, but, one can always assume they were hybrids or a subspecies.
The Gorn being from Andromeda is a lot harder to explain in my book.
Well one explanation could be that they actually AREN'T Caitians and Orci was talking out of the opposite end of his digestive tract than he normally does. They never onscreen say they are so that's one option. I must have missed/forgotten the bit about Gorn and Andromeda
That's true, though, I think the head of Paramount still insists the Andromeda bit is canon. Though that has about as much weight as you let it.
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Eh, the Klingons at least can be explained by having found a cure to the Augment virus from when they captured the Narada. I'm sure info about it was in there, somewhere in the same way the rest of the JJ Universe got a tech boost from the Narada.
AFAIK the KDF didn't capture anything. Instead, the Narada pwned one of their entire fleets single-handed.
As for the "tech boost", the destruction of the Kelvin in the AR sent history off-course, pushing Starfleet towards a more militaristic (and aggressive?) stance. And then there was Adm. Marcus and his crazy plan with Khan.
After the Kelvin rammed the Narada it was disabled which allowed the shuttles from the Kelvin to escape. A bunch of Klingon ships decloak around it and Nero and co are taken prisoner for 25 years and then escape which is when that Klingon fleet gets trashed.
Even if you don't believe that happened because it wasn't shown in the film except for in deleted scenes it's still possible that information trickled back to the Klingons via the Federation that allowed them to cure the virus earlier.
The Narada destroying 47 Klingon ships was still mentioned in the film, so either way the Narada and its crew still had an encounter with the KDF.
Oh, yeah. I'm not arguing that at all. Totally happened.
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Also, since its safe to say now that we'll get 0718 in the game, I even more want to get Brent Spiner in. Not only to have a stand alone Data mission, but to have one with him, 0718, and the Doctor. Maybe have them deal with the Automated Personnel Units, or the STO timeline's version of the alien force that made 0718, or some other appropriate thing.
The Kelvin Timeline (good name) seems now to be taking its place as an addition to Star Trek, rather than a replacement going forward. And it feels better to me that way.
Also, as a Foundry Author, I'm going to want to know whether we can make missions in that timeline or not.
If they do that it would be a first and I'd be genuinely impressed.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
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And yet, if Robert Orci is to be believed, Caitains look NOTHING like they're supposed to look. Nor do Klingons. JJ presented as a Back to the Future 2-esque timeline skew, and even in the mirror universe species things such as effects and what not look the same. I get wanting it in there and I'll admit I'm one of those people who said (and was glad) it was never going to happen. I'll accept I was not right, and be comforted that I have confidence Cryptic will make sure things work like they're supposed to.
And please, don't have a Connie on a planet, JJ/his cronies seem obsessed with it. Also, congrats JJ fans on your win. Though I don't look forward to seeing that ugly Vengeance class all over the place now.
Let us upgrade the Seleya Ceremonial Lirpa and Kri'stak Blade
It is something new after all.
I just wonder... will the helm on the AR Enterprise bridge always be left empty?
Eh, the Klingons at least can be explained by having found a cure to the Augment virus from when they captured the Narada. I'm sure info about it was in there, somewhere in the same way the rest of the JJ Universe got a tech boost from the Narada. The Caitians are harder to explain, but, one can always assume they were hybrids or a subspecies.
The Gorn being from Andromeda is a lot harder to explain in my book.
Huh?
AFAIK the KDF didn't capture anything. Instead, the Narada pwned one of their entire fleets single-handed.
As for the "tech boost", the destruction of the Kelvin in the AR sent history off-course, pushing Starfleet towards a more militaristic (and aggressive?) stance, and adjusting its R&D priorities in the process. Still remember Pike calling it "a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada". And then there was Adm. Marcus and his crazy plan with Khan.
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"To boldly go to the stars on the wings of the faithful."
After the Kelvin rammed the Narada it was disabled which allowed the shuttles from the Kelvin to escape. A bunch of Klingon ships decloak around it and Nero and co are taken prisoner for 25 years and then escape which is when that Klingon fleet gets trashed.
Even if you don't believe that happened because it wasn't shown in the film except for in deleted scenes it's still possible that information trickled back to the Klingons via the Federation that allowed them to cure the virus earlier.
*raises hands*
I only saw the movie, none of the deleted scenes
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"To boldly go to the stars on the wings of the faithful."
Heheh, fair enough.
While the various TV series have gone both ways, I can't recall Trek ever mixing them in the same episode. Yet that appears to be what will happen here. This contradiction better be addressed in the story.
Well one explanation could be that they actually AREN'T Caitians and Orci was talking out of the opposite end of his digestive tract than he normally does. They never onscreen say they are so that's one option. I must have missed/forgotten the bit about Gorn and Andromeda
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The Narada destroying 47 Klingon ships was still mentioned in the film, so either way the Narada and its crew still had an encounter with the KDF.
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Nothing in the AR really makes sense, though.
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That's true, though, I think the head of Paramount still insists the Andromeda bit is canon. Though that has about as much weight as you let it.
Oh, yeah. I'm not arguing that at all. Totally happened.