Why this whole discussion about bringing a 200 some odd year old ship into 2410. They'd have to make a second game where you go back in time and, like, stay there.
I thought SFC wouldent have the time to make modifications to any ship. So they wouldent have time pull ships out of "Mothballs". Your right they put anything and everything capable of throwing phasers and torpedo's at the cube in a vein hope. The point I was trying to make is there may have been a few Refits still in service close to earth and able to fight at the time of BOBW. Just like the Miranda and Oberth. Just because we don't see them doesent mean they arnt there. She may have just been a simple patrol ship.
We know the 1701 A was decommissioned at the end of ST VI but ive never seen on screen a fixed date for the decommissioning of that class of ship. That may have been due to "the crew being due to stand down". So was it just because that kirk and co were retiring from service that the 1701 was decomissioned? Or was it because the 1701 was being decommissioned that Kirk and crew decided to "Stand down". We don't know.
SFC could introduce a new variant of the constitution after the events of BOBW or the dominion war. If u want to take the Akira as an example of ships being constantly redesigned? Personally I consider the Akira to be continuation of the NX Class design from Enterprise. Theres to many design similarity's.
I don't want to see a T6 refit at endgame. Id love to see the Excaliber / Vesper and Exeter at T6. Id rather have no TMP era ships at that level just post TNG Varients.
Kinda like how the mini cooper has evolved from the 1960's. U don't see many 1960's minis anymore but u do get a brand new variant based on the orginal design with all the moden tech ud expect from a car in 2016
Mothballed ships often serve as core fleet elements in smaller navies unable to afford new construction ships. Such hulls, modernized as the owning navy can budget, serve well past the life of the class in the fleet which built it. Most of South America's naval ships up to the year 2000 were WW2 surplus ships bought cheap from the USN, and even came with a lifetime supply of surplus spare parts and ammo given the amounts of equipment on otherwise unsold mothballed hulls and stored in the various depots.
So, while Delta may not need a home fleet, the Tellarites might want some old cruiser hulls to build out as mining survey ships, and the various minor races of the Federation might want otherwise obsolete hulls for colonization, transportation, and self defense from predatory species or from criminal activity. These ships may even, by the terms of their lease, be subject to recall in the event of an emergency, serving as Starfleet Auxiliary vessels for the duration.
So, while you see a functional Connie hull at Wolf 359, I see an Andorian Ambassador's Yacht, or a Vulcan Supply Ship, or a Tellarite Survey Cruiser recalled to defend Earth in her hour of peril. Similarly, such vessels would be called back to support military actions by relieving more modern and capable ships of convoy escort duties and picket/patrol duties in areas far from the front lines.
Why this whole discussion about bringing a 200 some odd year old ship into 2410. They'd have to make a second game where you go back in time and, like, stay there.
There is no discussion about bringing a 200yr old ship into 2410. We're discussing the Excalibur(and to a lesser extent the Exeter) which was built AFTER the Galaxy class vessel according to Cryptic's own fiction.
Why this whole discussion about bringing a 200 some odd year old ship into 2410. They'd have to make a second game where you go back in time and, like, stay there.
Well the latest episode had us jump 400+ years into the future in just an old a ship...
Why this whole discussion about bringing a 200 some odd year old ship into 2410. They'd have to make a second game where you go back in time and, like, stay there.
There is no discussion about bringing a 200yr old ship into 2410. We're discussing the Excalibur(and to a lesser extent the Exeter) which was built AFTER the Galaxy class vessel according to Cryptic's own fiction.
Why this whole discussion about bringing a 200 some odd year old ship into 2410. They'd have to make a second game where you go back in time and, like, stay there.
For the record the Constitution class original is a 165 year old starship.
That said, I imagine a TOS era Star Trek MMO would receive an immense amount of play. There are plenty of people who only consider TOS to be Star Trek.
I thought SFC wouldent have the time to make modifications to any ship. So they wouldent have time pull ships out of "Mothballs". Your right they put anything and everything capable of throwing phasers and torpedo's at the cube in a vein hope. The point I was trying to make is there may have been a few Refits still in service close to earth and able to fight at the time of BOBW. Just like the Miranda and Oberth. Just because we don't see them doesent mean they arnt there. She may have just been a simple patrol ship.
We know the 1701 A was decommissioned at the end of ST VI but ive never seen on screen a fixed date for the decommissioning of that class of ship. That may have been due to "the crew being due to stand down". So was it just because that kirk and co were retiring from service that the 1701 was decomissioned? Or was it because the 1701 was being decommissioned that Kirk and crew decided to "Stand down". We don't know.
Depends on what you mean by mothballs. I mean a ship that has been stripped of things like sensors, probes...basically a ship that only has the stuff that's built into the hull, nav deflector, basic sensors, shield grid, torpedo launchers, impulse engines, and warp drive. Even the beds have been pulled out. Like the Iowa in Battleship. So all you have to do is fuel her up, load up her weapons and bring the warp core on line...oh and that whole praying to your deity thing. I'm not talking about pulling ships completely off the scrap heap and attaching nacelles and running power conduits and all they didn't have time for that.
The way i saw it, in the context of all the Red Uniform TMP movies is that the Constitution class was on her way out the door.
The 1701 was already an academy training vessel by 2285. Admiral Morrow was completely opposed to even repairing her after the Battle of the Mutara Nebula at all complaining that she was 20 years old (he was wrong of course the current incarnation was 15 years old and the ship as a whole was 40 years old). The Enterprise-A was a new construction (judging by Scotty's complaints) but they retired her after only nine years (I know this is in contradiction to the idea that she was formerly the USS Yorktown). I think the key to why is the Battle of Khitomer. If you look at the battle damage the proof is in the putting. The Enterprise was "busted up" as Data would say, even with the shields up the hull was scorched and when they collapsed the saucer was perforated. By comparison, the Excelsior took several hits herself and was completely unscathed. The Excelsior a ship that was technically the same age as far as when the ship was built, circa 2285.
The way I see it they put the class out to pasture. The Constitutions had their run. 50 years is a good long time. "They did their bit for King and Country" to paraphrase Kirk. I don't think they were built to last in the same way as the Excelsior, the NX class went out of service after only a decade replaced by the Daedalus class. The longer Starfleet goes the longer they're building their ships to last.
As for whether it was the crew or the ship, I think it was the ship standing down the made the crew stand down. If you consider it, the crew of the Enterprise sans Sulu at the end had been together for 33 years. I think a large part of that is that their ship is their home, and the crew a family. "Years out in space driving each other crazy, and when leave comes around what do we do? Spend it together? Other people have families." "Other people Bones not us." "I lost a brother once....I was lucky enough to get him back." "I thought you said men like us don't have families?" "I was wrong."
With the Enterprise decommissioned and a new crew stepping up to bear the mantle, it was time for the Enterprise crew to go their separate ways. There home was going away. Time for all the kids to move out of the house.
SFC could introduce a new variant of the constitution after the events of BOBW or the dominion war. If u want to take the Akira as an example of ships being constantly redesigned? Personally I consider the Akira to be continuation of the NX Class design from Enterprise. Theres to many design similarity's.
Well there's a specific reason for that. Namely that the producers of Enterprise loved the Akira so much that they wanted the NX class to look like it. That said there's a brilliant reason why she looked like she did. This was the final evolution that would've been introduced towards the end of the series.
However, I agree with you that there is a clear design lineage from the NX through the Ptolemy, Miranda, Centaur, Nebula and Akira classes.
I don't want to see a T6 refit at endgame. Id love to see the Excaliber / Vesper and Exeter at T6. Id rather have no TMP era ships at that level just post TNG Varients.
Kinda like how the mini cooper has evolved from the 1960's. U don't see many 1960's minis anymore but u do get a brand new variant based on the orginal design with all the moden tech ud expect from a car in 2016
Mothballed ships often serve as core fleet elements in smaller navies unable to afford new construction ships. Such hulls, modernized as the owning navy can budget, serve well past the life of the class in the fleet which built it. Most of South America's naval ships up to the year 2000 were WW2 surplus ships bought cheap from the USN, and even came with a lifetime supply of surplus spare parts and ammo given the amounts of equipment on otherwise unsold mothballed hulls and stored in the various depots.
So, while Delta may not need a home fleet, the Tellarites might want some old cruiser hulls to build out as mining survey ships, and the various minor races of the Federation might want otherwise obsolete hulls for colonization, transportation, and self defense from predatory species or from criminal activity. These ships may even, by the terms of their lease, be subject to recall in the event of an emergency, serving as Starfleet Auxiliary vessels for the duration.
So, while you see a functional Connie hull at Wolf 359, I see an Andorian Ambassador's Yacht, or a Vulcan Supply Ship, or a Tellarite Survey Cruiser recalled to defend Earth in her hour of peril. Similarly, such vessels would be called back to support military actions by relieving more modern and capable ships of convoy escort duties and picket/patrol duties in areas far from the front lines.
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Not impossible. I have a short story about a Galaxy class kitted out as a luxury cruise ship. Just to pay truth to the Starfleet joke that she's a hotel.
I thought SFC wouldent have the time to make modifications to any ship. So they wouldent have time pull ships out of "Mothballs". Your right they put anything and everything capable of throwing phasers and torpedo's at the cube in a vein hope. The point I was trying to make is there may have been a few Refits still in service close to earth and able to fight at the time of BOBW. Just like the Miranda and Oberth. Just because we don't see them doesent mean they arnt there. She may have just been a simple patrol ship.
We know the 1701 A was decommissioned at the end of ST VI but ive never seen on screen a fixed date for the decommissioning of that class of ship. That may have been due to "the crew being due to stand down". So was it just because that kirk and co were retiring from service that the 1701 was decomissioned? Or was it because the 1701 was being decommissioned that Kirk and crew decided to "Stand down". We don't know.
SFC could introduce a new variant of the constitution after the events of BOBW or the dominion war. If u want to take the Akira as an example of ships being constantly redesigned? Personally I consider the Akira to be continuation of the NX Class design from Enterprise. Theres to many design similarity's.
I don't want to see a T6 refit at endgame. Id love to see the Excaliber / Vesper and Exeter at T6. Id rather have no TMP era ships at that level just post TNG Varients.
Kinda like how the mini cooper has evolved from the 1960's. U don't see many 1960's minis anymore but u do get a brand new variant based on the orginal design with all the moden tech ud expect from a car in 2016
Well we don't know for sure how long it was for Kirk between ST6 and Generations so it is possible that A was retired, or relegated to a training ship as it's predecessor was. We know Kirk retired then eventually came back to Starfleet, but not how many years were involved. He seems to have gotten stuck in a "show" posting given the reasons for having him aboard the B. There is not likely to have been another crew sent out with the ship since Generations establishes that no one else had sat in command of a ship named Enterprise since Kirk during the "press conference" sequence.
Both Star Trek VI and the opening of Star Trek Generations take place in the year 2293, so at least within a year. Actually within ten months since two months passed between Khitomer exploding and the mission to escort Qo'nos One.
I thought SFC wouldent have the time to make modifications to any ship. So they wouldent have time pull ships out of "Mothballs". Your right they put anything and everything capable of throwing phasers and torpedo's at the cube in a vein hope. The point I was trying to make is there may have been a few Refits still in service close to earth and able to fight at the time of BOBW. Just like the Miranda and Oberth. Just because we don't see them doesent mean they arnt there. She may have just been a simple patrol ship.
We know the 1701 A was decommissioned at the end of ST VI but ive never seen on screen a fixed date for the decommissioning of that class of ship. That may have been due to "the crew being due to stand down". So was it just because that kirk and co were retiring from service that the 1701 was decomissioned? Or was it because the 1701 was being decommissioned that Kirk and crew decided to "Stand down". We don't know.
SFC could introduce a new variant of the constitution after the events of BOBW or the dominion war. If u want to take the Akira as an example of ships being constantly redesigned? Personally I consider the Akira to be continuation of the NX Class design from Enterprise. Theres to many design similarity's.
I don't want to see a T6 refit at endgame. Id love to see the Excaliber / Vesper and Exeter at T6. Id rather have no TMP era ships at that level just post TNG Varients.
Kinda like how the mini cooper has evolved from the 1960's. U don't see many 1960's minis anymore but u do get a brand new variant based on the orginal design with all the moden tech ud expect from a car in 2016
Well we don't know for sure how long it was for Kirk between ST6 and Generations so it is possible that A was retired, or relegated to a training ship as it's predecessor was. We know Kirk retired then eventually came back to Starfleet, but not how many years were involved. He seems to have gotten stuck in a "show" posting given the reasons for having him aboard the B. There is not likely to have been another crew sent out with the ship since Generations establishes that no one else had sat in command of a ship named Enterprise since Kirk during the "press conference" sequence.
Umm no. You've got two periods that it was possible. But only one that it was really likely.
The five year mission is 2265-2270. The Enterprise gets a massive refit between 2270-2271. Kirk is promoted to Admiral, V'ger happens in 2271 or 2272. Kirk steps down as Admiral to Captain again. Now some sources say he does another five year mission, and then resumes being Admiral. So that would be 2277-2285 before Wrath of Khan where he's an Admiral overseeing the testing of cadets at the Academy whining about how old he is.
Memory Alpha places his romance with Antonia in 2282-2284, which means he was with her immediately before Star Trek II, so that was his "retirement".
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Thats what i thought. He retured after the first 5 year mission then went back to SF. Anyway any 1 heard anything from pwlaughingtrendy or geko bout this?
Thats what i thought. He retured after the first 5 year mission then went back to SF. Anyway any 1 heard anything from pwlaughingtrendy or geko bout this?
I'd also support such a ship, it's just to gorgeous looking (and is clearly a 24/25th century design), i always thought that it's just sad to waste such a nice looking design for a low level ship only. Especially since it is still present in media after six years, so the guy who designed must have done something right.
I'm sorry if this has been mentioned before (i havent read the whoole thread), if they would exclude the Constitution (TOS and refit) parts and maybe scale the ship up a bit to make it more in line with current ship designs, it could help to make it clear that it is a different ship that is just inspired by the classic look of the Constitution but nothing more. (Similar like the Guardian is inspired by the ambassador for example)
Of course Excalibur, Vesper and Exeter Class ship parts would need to be reworked to be used as a much bigger ship, but i think people would love to throw their money at Cryptic to be able to have a playable endgame version of this ship.
Another possibility that came to my mind was, why not make it a variant of a already existing ship, like the Guardian or T6 Excelsior? By doing that the ship parts would also need to be reworked, of course. Also it would obvious that it is a different ship than the constitution = less confusion. (which would be unavoidable as always, lol)
Personally i wouldn't care if it has either the dimensions of the constitution or a much bigger ship (slightly reworked), i just really like the Excalibur, Vesper and Exeter design.
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
However, the T6 Resolute is one of those examples STOs 'logic' in ship progression simply doesn't add up. Next to retrofitted Excelsiors and even refitted Lakota-types, why would starfleet comission a whole new class of this thing when it's function and role has been filled by another half dozen of ships already in service? I see the need for the Andromeda class, effectively replacing Galaxy and Venture-type refits and aside from the huge Oddyssey there are no true 'Explorers' in STOs Starfleet line-up in the 25th century - save the weird Guardian which is "not really" an Ambassador but another huge supercruiser. I entirely agree, scaling it down, renaming it "Support Cruiser [T6]" and share Ambassador and Yamaguchi-type parts would be a sensible thing to do.
I can only wholeheartly agree to everything you said.
Regarding the Guardian, i think that's a brilliant idea.
It would make both classes more round and it would make much more sense IMO.
Also it wouldn't hurt if there where another possible saucer and other parts availlabe for the Guardian, especially the ones from the Ambassador. (The Guardian saucer still makes me shudder each time i try to use that ship, lol.)
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
Another thing that Cryptic considers is role and niche. What would a T6 Exeter do?
Me personally, I think she looks nimble, so I'm thinking a pilot cruiser what do you think?
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
The last time we see a possible Constitution class in service as of 2371 I think.
DS9: The Sound of Her Voice. The episode itself took place in 2374, with the Captain in the story having died 3 years earlier. The ship in question is the USS Olympia, which was on an 8 year exploration mission.
While her class was never explicitly stated, the model used was a reuse of the Enterprise wreckage from The Search for Spock.
Especially since it's something that would MAKE THEM MONEY. I mean, the sheer number of threads that have been made over the years should be an indication of the demand.
Yes, it would be making them a lot of money. And that's how you know that there is a strong other reason for them not releasing it - they must not be allowed to release it. The business reasons to sell this ship are too strong to not do it. It's not ill will or someone's personal preferences on Cryptic's end.
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Unless it makes some kind of logical sense, I'm not going to buy the argument that CBS has ANY interest in the issue.
Basically I'm all but convinced the restriction in the Constitution class and ONLY THE CONSTITUION that we've seen almost certainly arises from that being the one and only ship that appears in this game that could present marketing conflicts with the JJ Abrams movies and the JJ Enterprise. Other video game companies have made games based on agreements with Paramount. Cryptic does not have such an agreement and they're required to stay the hell out of the movies' yard.
We've seen all kinds of other ships, Fed and otherwise promote up to ludicrous tiers. It's not age. It's not in-canon &#(!ing ANYTHING. It's visual similarity to the centerpiece of the movies. simple as that. Requires no arcane justification. And that kind of agreement is exactly the sort of thing you don't particularly discuss with the customers.
We've seen Paramount shut down CBS's bid to launch a TV series when the 50th anniversary is the best time for such a launch in 50 years. Instead the TV show is respecting a 6 month moratorium after Beyond's release, plenty of time for it to go to disk and reap the majority of rewards without distraction or being diluted by a competing vision of Star Trek. The Movies have right of way. Period. And this game is rooted very, very in the TV side of the house.
Thats what i thought. He retured after the first 5 year mission then went back to SF. Anyway any 1 heard anything from pwlaughingtrendy or geko bout this?
This thread topic is on their ignore list.
Which I still find interesting considering the rapidity with which they usually lock down anything even vaguely t6 connie related. This specifically aint but 19, almost 20 pages later I fully expected a lock by now.
The devs, in the past, have said a lot of things that turned out to be bullsh*t.
To be honest, I will never buy it unless I see it straight from the horse's mouth. That "horse" would be CBS.
But that's just me.
I'm with you on this one.
With all the other nonsense that's gone on in the game, from players flying ENEMY ships, magic skills and endless slaughter of millions, it makes no sense for CBS to say, "All that's ok, but no T5 Constitution." If they don't care about any of that, why would they care about something like the T5 Constitution?
Especially since it's something that would MAKE THEM MONEY. I mean, the sheer number of threads that have been made over the years should be an indication of the demand.
So, like you, I call BS on this one. Unless it makes some kind of logical sense, I'm not going to buy the argument that CBS has ANY interest in the issue.
A couple of points:
1) it doesn't matter whether we "buy it" or not. Regardless of whether you believe CBS actually told Cryptic 'no end game connie' or you think Cryptic just made that up(for some hypothetical reason), there is nothing *we* can do about it. Cryptic runs the game, not us. So whether you "buy" what they tell us doesn't really matter.
2) Regardless of whether CBS actually said 'no end game connie' or not, that's not what I'm asking for. I'm asking for a T6 Excalibur with no connie parts(to remain obedient to the hypothetical CBS ruling). And once again:
No dev has EVER told us that CBS said they could not make an end game excalibur
If CBS did tell them that, that's fine. I'm completely willing to accept that. And if they tell us CBS said that, then that will be the end of that. But until we know that, my request stands.
Lastly, yes this thread is almost at 20 pages with no response. And that's OK. The devs are not required to respond. However, I do think the lack of response is telling. If CBS had actually said they couldn't make an end game Excalibur, they would have no reason to not simply say so and put that issue to bed once and for all. But for some strange reason, over the last 6 years, they have never *once* told us CBS said they could not make an end game Excalibur.
The last time we see a possible Constitution class in service as of 2371 I think.
DS9: The Sound of Her Voice. The episode itself took place in 2374, with the Captain in the story having died 3 years earlier. The ship in question is the USS Olympia, which was on an 8 year exploration mission.
While her class was never explicitly stated, the model used was a reuse of the Enterprise wreckage from The Search for Spock.
What a weird mission. I would've sent the USS Galaxy on that as her first mission. The Olympia launched on that mission in 2363, same year as the Enterprise-D launched. The wreckage looks like the saucer section, so it could've been a Miranda too. I don't buy it as a Constitution, but that is legit evidence even though they could've just been using a wreckage model that they had on hand because, budget.
Funny thing I had always pictured it in my head as an Olympic class due to word association.
Unless it makes some kind of logical sense, I'm not going to buy the argument that CBS has ANY interest in the issue.
Basically I'm all but convinced the restriction in the Constitution class and ONLY THE CONSTITUION that we've seen almost certainly arises from that being the one and only ship that appears in this game that could present marketing conflicts with the JJ Abrams movies and the JJ Enterprise. Other video game companies have made games based on agreements with Paramount. Cryptic does not have such an agreement and they're required to stay the hell out of the movies' yard.
We've seen all kinds of other ships, Fed and otherwise promote up to ludicrous tiers. It's not age. It's not in-canon &#(!ing ANYTHING. It's visual similarity to the centerpiece of the movies. simple as that. Requires no arcane justification. And that kind of agreement is exactly the sort of thing you don't particularly discuss with the customers.
We've seen Paramount shut down CBS's bid to launch a TV series when the 50th anniversary is the best time for such a launch in 50 years. Instead the TV show is respecting a 6 month moratorium after Beyond's release, plenty of time for it to go to disk and reap the majority of rewards without distraction or being diluted by a competing vision of Star Trek. The Movies have right of way. Period. And this game is rooted very, very in the TV side of the house.
This is true.
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
How about adding the exclabier / exeter / vesper skins to the avanger. She kinda looks like the exclaiber
That has been suggested already, and I would personally be happy with that. However, I think it is more likely they would simply create a new ship to get the most sales possible(both from the people who already bought the Avenger class, plus the people who would want an Excalibur).
Another thing that Cryptic considers is role and niche. What would a T6 Exeter do?
Me personally, I think she looks nimble, so I'm thinking a pilot cruiser what do you think?
I don't know, but i wouldn't make her a Pilot Cruiser thingy TBH.
The overall configuration of Saucer/ Engineering Hull/ Nacelles and the spaces in between them (namely her thin neck and pylons) don't say "nimble" to me, at least not as nimble as a Arbiter least of all like a defiant. I think it's rather made to move exalted and slow instead of moving like a Tie Fighter like a escort for example.
Let's assume Cryptic would release the Excalibur/Vesper/Exeter as a original T6 cruiser.
Wouldn't it look somehow weird for such a tiny ship be on par with monsters like a command Battlecruiser for example?
Yeah, i know it's a constituion on that images, but the sizes are the same.
(BTW. Crpytics leaning towards huge and monstrous sized ships has become really rediculus imo.)
My point is, in order to make the Excalibur model work as a cruiser, i think she would need to be scaled up at least 2x.
This would also distinguish her from the Constitution and underline that she's only inspired by the Constitution, but every other aspect of her is a modern 25th century starship.
"...'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied--chains us all irrevocably.' ... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged. I fear that today--"
- (TNG) Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie
Another thing that Cryptic considers is role and niche. What would a T6 Exeter do?
Me personally, I think she looks nimble, so I'm thinking a pilot cruiser what do you think?
I don't know, but i wouldn't make her a Pilot Cruiser thingy TBH.
The overall configuration of Saucer/ Engineering Hull/ Nacelles and the spaces in between them (namely her thin neck and pylons) don't say "nimble" to me, at least not as nimble as a Arbiter least of all like a defiant. I think it's rather made to move exalted and slow instead of moving like a Tie Fighter like a escort for example.
Let's assume Cryptic would release the Excalibur/Vesper/Exeter as a original T6 cruiser.
Wouldn't it look somehow weird for such a tiny ship be on par with monsters like a command Battlecruiser for example?
Yeah, i know it's a constituion on that images, but the sizes are the same.
(BTW. Crpytics leaning towards huge and monstrous sized ships has become really rediculus imo.)
My point is, in order to make the Excalibur model work as a cruiser, i think she would need to be scaled up at least 2x.
This would also distinguish her from the Constitution and underline that she's only inspired by the Constitution, but every other aspect of her is a modern 25th century starship.
I was thinking more a 1.5x and give her a 'light cruiser' designation, which would slot intel or pilot nicely. As to the size, irrelevant, escorts pack just as much heat as those behemoths in game. Similarly I disagree about nimble or not.
How about adding the exclabier / exeter / vesper skins to the avanger. She kinda looks like the exclaiber
In no way whatsoever. There is nothing even vaguely resembling the Exeter and its variants to be seen in the Avenger or Arbiter. The Avenger is a bulky Intrepid, with an oval cross sectioned hull, no neck, squared nacelles, ovaloid saucer, and stubby pylons. The only Starfleet ships that look less like the Exeter would be the Steamrunner and Norway.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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We know the 1701 A was decommissioned at the end of ST VI but ive never seen on screen a fixed date for the decommissioning of that class of ship. That may have been due to "the crew being due to stand down". So was it just because that kirk and co were retiring from service that the 1701 was decomissioned? Or was it because the 1701 was being decommissioned that Kirk and crew decided to "Stand down". We don't know.
SFC could introduce a new variant of the constitution after the events of BOBW or the dominion war. If u want to take the Akira as an example of ships being constantly redesigned? Personally I consider the Akira to be continuation of the NX Class design from Enterprise. Theres to many design similarity's.
I don't want to see a T6 refit at endgame. Id love to see the Excaliber / Vesper and Exeter at T6. Id rather have no TMP era ships at that level just post TNG Varients.
Kinda like how the mini cooper has evolved from the 1960's. U don't see many 1960's minis anymore but u do get a brand new variant based on the orginal design with all the moden tech ud expect from a car in 2016
So, while Delta may not need a home fleet, the Tellarites might want some old cruiser hulls to build out as mining survey ships, and the various minor races of the Federation might want otherwise obsolete hulls for colonization, transportation, and self defense from predatory species or from criminal activity. These ships may even, by the terms of their lease, be subject to recall in the event of an emergency, serving as Starfleet Auxiliary vessels for the duration.
So, while you see a functional Connie hull at Wolf 359, I see an Andorian Ambassador's Yacht, or a Vulcan Supply Ship, or a Tellarite Survey Cruiser recalled to defend Earth in her hour of peril. Similarly, such vessels would be called back to support military actions by relieving more modern and capable ships of convoy escort duties and picket/patrol duties in areas far from the front lines.
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There is no discussion about bringing a 200yr old ship into 2410. We're discussing the Excalibur(and to a lesser extent the Exeter) which was built AFTER the Galaxy class vessel according to Cryptic's own fiction.
Well the latest episode had us jump 400+ years into the future in just an old a ship...
And in a highly effective manner I might add
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For the record the Constitution class original is a 165 year old starship.
That said, I imagine a TOS era Star Trek MMO would receive an immense amount of play. There are plenty of people who only consider TOS to be Star Trek.
Depends on what you mean by mothballs. I mean a ship that has been stripped of things like sensors, probes...basically a ship that only has the stuff that's built into the hull, nav deflector, basic sensors, shield grid, torpedo launchers, impulse engines, and warp drive. Even the beds have been pulled out. Like the Iowa in Battleship. So all you have to do is fuel her up, load up her weapons and bring the warp core on line...oh and that whole praying to your deity thing. I'm not talking about pulling ships completely off the scrap heap and attaching nacelles and running power conduits and all they didn't have time for that.
The way i saw it, in the context of all the Red Uniform TMP movies is that the Constitution class was on her way out the door.
The 1701 was already an academy training vessel by 2285. Admiral Morrow was completely opposed to even repairing her after the Battle of the Mutara Nebula at all complaining that she was 20 years old (he was wrong of course the current incarnation was 15 years old and the ship as a whole was 40 years old). The Enterprise-A was a new construction (judging by Scotty's complaints) but they retired her after only nine years (I know this is in contradiction to the idea that she was formerly the USS Yorktown). I think the key to why is the Battle of Khitomer. If you look at the battle damage the proof is in the putting. The Enterprise was "busted up" as Data would say, even with the shields up the hull was scorched and when they collapsed the saucer was perforated. By comparison, the Excelsior took several hits herself and was completely unscathed. The Excelsior a ship that was technically the same age as far as when the ship was built, circa 2285.
The way I see it they put the class out to pasture. The Constitutions had their run. 50 years is a good long time. "They did their bit for King and Country" to paraphrase Kirk. I don't think they were built to last in the same way as the Excelsior, the NX class went out of service after only a decade replaced by the Daedalus class. The longer Starfleet goes the longer they're building their ships to last.
As for whether it was the crew or the ship, I think it was the ship standing down the made the crew stand down. If you consider it, the crew of the Enterprise sans Sulu at the end had been together for 33 years. I think a large part of that is that their ship is their home, and the crew a family. "Years out in space driving each other crazy, and when leave comes around what do we do? Spend it together? Other people have families." "Other people Bones not us." "I lost a brother once....I was lucky enough to get him back." "I thought you said men like us don't have families?" "I was wrong."
With the Enterprise decommissioned and a new crew stepping up to bear the mantle, it was time for the Enterprise crew to go their separate ways. There home was going away. Time for all the kids to move out of the house.
Well there's a specific reason for that. Namely that the producers of Enterprise loved the Akira so much that they wanted the NX class to look like it. That said there's a brilliant reason why she looked like she did. This was the final evolution that would've been introduced towards the end of the series.
https://trekazoid.wordpress.com/category/nx-class/
However, I agree with you that there is a clear design lineage from the NX through the Ptolemy, Miranda, Centaur, Nebula and Akira classes.
Agreed.
Not impossible. I have a short story about a Galaxy class kitted out as a luxury cruise ship. Just to pay truth to the Starfleet joke that she's a hotel.
Both Star Trek VI and the opening of Star Trek Generations take place in the year 2293, so at least within a year. Actually within ten months since two months passed between Khitomer exploding and the mission to escort Qo'nos One.
Umm no. You've got two periods that it was possible. But only one that it was really likely.
The five year mission is 2265-2270. The Enterprise gets a massive refit between 2270-2271. Kirk is promoted to Admiral, V'ger happens in 2271 or 2272. Kirk steps down as Admiral to Captain again. Now some sources say he does another five year mission, and then resumes being Admiral. So that would be 2277-2285 before Wrath of Khan where he's an Admiral overseeing the testing of cadets at the Academy whining about how old he is.
Memory Alpha places his romance with Antonia in 2282-2284, which means he was with her immediately before Star Trek II, so that was his "retirement".
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I'm sorry if this has been mentioned before (i havent read the whoole thread), if they would exclude the Constitution (TOS and refit) parts and maybe scale the ship up a bit to make it more in line with current ship designs, it could help to make it clear that it is a different ship that is just inspired by the classic look of the Constitution but nothing more. (Similar like the Guardian is inspired by the ambassador for example)
Of course Excalibur, Vesper and Exeter Class ship parts would need to be reworked to be used as a much bigger ship, but i think people would love to throw their money at Cryptic to be able to have a playable endgame version of this ship.
Another possibility that came to my mind was, why not make it a variant of a already existing ship, like the Guardian or T6 Excelsior? By doing that the ship parts would also need to be reworked, of course. Also it would obvious that it is a different ship than the constitution = less confusion. (which would be unavoidable as always, lol)
Personally i wouldn't care if it has either the dimensions of the constitution or a much bigger ship (slightly reworked), i just really like the Excalibur, Vesper and Exeter design.
Regarding the Guardian, i think that's a brilliant idea.
It would make both classes more round and it would make much more sense IMO.
Also it wouldn't hurt if there where another possible saucer and other parts availlabe for the Guardian, especially the ones from the Ambassador. (The Guardian saucer still makes me shudder each time i try to use that ship, lol.)
Me personally, I think she looks nimble, so I'm thinking a pilot cruiser what do you think?
What would she do? Look awesome.
DS9: The Sound of Her Voice. The episode itself took place in 2374, with the Captain in the story having died 3 years earlier. The ship in question is the USS Olympia, which was on an 8 year exploration mission.
While her class was never explicitly stated, the model used was a reuse of the Enterprise wreckage from The Search for Spock.
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Basically I'm all but convinced the restriction in the Constitution class and ONLY THE CONSTITUION that we've seen almost certainly arises from that being the one and only ship that appears in this game that could present marketing conflicts with the JJ Abrams movies and the JJ Enterprise. Other video game companies have made games based on agreements with Paramount. Cryptic does not have such an agreement and they're required to stay the hell out of the movies' yard.
We've seen all kinds of other ships, Fed and otherwise promote up to ludicrous tiers. It's not age. It's not in-canon &#(!ing ANYTHING. It's visual similarity to the centerpiece of the movies. simple as that. Requires no arcane justification. And that kind of agreement is exactly the sort of thing you don't particularly discuss with the customers.
We've seen Paramount shut down CBS's bid to launch a TV series when the 50th anniversary is the best time for such a launch in 50 years. Instead the TV show is respecting a 6 month moratorium after Beyond's release, plenty of time for it to go to disk and reap the majority of rewards without distraction or being diluted by a competing vision of Star Trek. The Movies have right of way. Period. And this game is rooted very, very in the TV side of the house.
Which I still find interesting considering the rapidity with which they usually lock down anything even vaguely t6 connie related. This specifically aint but 19, almost 20 pages later I fully expected a lock by now.
Pilot cruiser could be an interesting combo...
A couple of points:
1) it doesn't matter whether we "buy it" or not. Regardless of whether you believe CBS actually told Cryptic 'no end game connie' or you think Cryptic just made that up(for some hypothetical reason), there is nothing *we* can do about it. Cryptic runs the game, not us. So whether you "buy" what they tell us doesn't really matter.
2) Regardless of whether CBS actually said 'no end game connie' or not, that's not what I'm asking for. I'm asking for a T6 Excalibur with no connie parts(to remain obedient to the hypothetical CBS ruling). And once again:
If CBS did tell them that, that's fine. I'm completely willing to accept that. And if they tell us CBS said that, then that will be the end of that. But until we know that, my request stands.
Lastly, yes this thread is almost at 20 pages with no response. And that's OK. The devs are not required to respond. However, I do think the lack of response is telling. If CBS had actually said they couldn't make an end game Excalibur, they would have no reason to not simply say so and put that issue to bed once and for all. But for some strange reason, over the last 6 years, they have never *once* told us CBS said they could not make an end game Excalibur.
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What a weird mission. I would've sent the USS Galaxy on that as her first mission. The Olympia launched on that mission in 2363, same year as the Enterprise-D launched. The wreckage looks like the saucer section, so it could've been a Miranda too. I don't buy it as a Constitution, but that is legit evidence even though they could've just been using a wreckage model that they had on hand because, budget.
Funny thing I had always pictured it in my head as an Olympic class due to word association.
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That has been suggested already, and I would personally be happy with that. However, I think it is more likely they would simply create a new ship to get the most sales possible(both from the people who already bought the Avenger class, plus the people who would want an Excalibur).
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The overall configuration of Saucer/ Engineering Hull/ Nacelles and the spaces in between them (namely her thin neck and pylons) don't say "nimble" to me, at least not as nimble as a Arbiter least of all like a defiant. I think it's rather made to move exalted and slow instead of moving like a Tie Fighter like a escort for example.
Let's assume Cryptic would release the Excalibur/Vesper/Exeter as a original T6 cruiser.
Wouldn't it look somehow weird for such a tiny ship be on par with monsters like a command Battlecruiser for example?
Yeah, i know it's a constituion on that images, but the sizes are the same.
(BTW. Crpytics leaning towards huge and monstrous sized ships has become really rediculus imo.)
My point is, in order to make the Excalibur model work as a cruiser, i think she would need to be scaled up at least 2x.
This would also distinguish her from the Constitution and underline that she's only inspired by the Constitution, but every other aspect of her is a modern 25th century starship.
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In no way whatsoever. There is nothing even vaguely resembling the Exeter and its variants to be seen in the Avenger or Arbiter. The Avenger is a bulky Intrepid, with an oval cross sectioned hull, no neck, squared nacelles, ovaloid saucer, and stubby pylons. The only Starfleet ships that look less like the Exeter would be the Steamrunner and Norway.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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