Management did change often it doesn't matter if they kept the same name.
Okay, whatever. The IP is resting with the same corporate entity through most of the course of those buyouts, again, until 2006. You want to call that "many... many," I won't run circles with you over hyperbole.
And right now current holders are desperately trying to prove they own a fictional and expanded upon language.
The judge threw that out, and you're grossly mischaracterizing the point of the claim on Klingon. Does Klingon, as a language, appear as a race language in Babylon 5? Or Firefly? Or BSG? Or Star Wars? No. You speak Klingon to be like a Klingon. Klingons, as a race, are a part of the Star Trek IP. Further, any of those language extensions are still based on a copyrighted book published by a CBS subsidiary.
This is a distraction from the point of the case. Peters is using Klingon to add authenticity to his Star Trek film... hence, the IP infringement claim.
Sounds like one angry associate is blaming Alec he couldn't make his film and implying it's all Axanar's fault and bringing up one petty argument among them as some sort of justification they are the evil bad guys. Not the lawyers sent by CBS/Paramount that went to him and firmly
insisted
suggested he not pursue his crowd-funding....
It was good read. But it only mentioned two people. Not an entire fan community.
Not quite. Tommy Kraft, former associate with Axanar, made the Horizon film. Christian Gossett, former director of the Axanar prelude film, came to Kraft's defense. James Crawley is the head of New Voyages, and doesn't have a horse in the race, short of being a fan film production. Add that to all of the other voices that simply want answers...
You keep looking through your Axanar-colored glasses, though...
I have no idea as to whether or not you need psychological help, that is something you'll have to work out on your own.
I do see though, that you obviously need to take in and digestALL the information being put out there about this sad event...
Not just the items that support your narrow and biased view of how horrible as Corporation, CBS & Paramount are.
I do. But I have no control over other people's assumptions . If you want to make discussion for opposing points of view that's your call. But you need to take a STEP back and accept other people DON'T have your same stance on the topic. It isn't a competition to see who is right that you're attempting to make it out to be. And it's not necessary to slander me as having mental illness for being one-sided.
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@terranempire#7881 is right. While I may not agree with him and think his opinion is misguided, he still has a right to express that opinion in this thread.
At least this isn't like Facebook where pro-Axanar people or anti-Axanar people can control the conversation to make their own viewpoint stand out.
Not quite. Tommy Kraft, former associate with Axanar, made the Horizon film. Christian Gossett, former director of the Axanar prelude film, came to Kraft's defense. James Crawley is the head of New Voyages, and doesn't have a horse in the race, short of being a fan film production. Add that to all of the other voices that simply want answers...
You keep looking through your Axanar-colored glasses, though...
My mistake. It's two former Axanar associates and another non-affiliated fan film. Plus the unregistered thousands that want justice against Axanar. Makes sense. I apologise if I don't take one article as proven evidence as a crime. I'll be wearing my CBS/Paramount 3D glasses when the Star Trek Beyond hits the cinema, not sure about the TV series though.
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First off, being ignorant of a situation is in no way a correlation to being "mentally ill".
And being "one-sided" IS the problem I'm trying to point out to you.
Not Because Of Your 'Beliefs'..., but because you base those beliefs on just a Single Part of the overall situation and the fact that you aren't willing to even try to learn what everything else involved entails.
You've already PM'd me with a veiled threat, so I'm going to just let it go at this point since it's pretty obvious you are not even willing to consider any other point-of-view contrary to your own.
As you said above...
Have a Really Nice Day.
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I have no idea as to whether or not you need psychological help, that is something you'll have to work out on your own.
I do see though, that you obviously need to take in and digestALL the information being put out there about this sad event...
Not just the items that support your narrow and biased view of how horrible as Corporation, CBS & Paramount are.
I do. But I have no control over other people's assumptions . If you want to make discussion for opposing points of view that's your call. But you need to take a STEP back and accept other people DON'T have your same stance on the topic. It isn't a competition to see who is right that you're attempting to make it out to be. And it's not necessary to slander me as having mental illness for being one-sided.
It's not slander if it's true... Also, it's not a case of you being one-sided, but that you're defending the Antichrist Alec Peters over issues which are inexcusable, such as his behaviour of Tommy Kraft. He may have retracted the accusation, but he never had the balls to apologize, and that is the problem, because it shows that he treats people like s**t...
First off, being ignorant of a situation is in no way a correlation to being "mentally ill".
And being "one-sided" IS the problem I'm trying to point out to you.
Not Because Of Your 'Beliefs'..., but because you base those beliefs on just a Single Part of the overall situation and the fact that you aren't willing to even try to learn what everything else involved entails.
You've already PM'd me with a veiled threat, so I'm going to just let it go at this point since it's pretty obvious you are not even willing to consider any other point-of-view contrary to your own.
As you said above...
Have a Really Nice Day.
I would hardly call one PM politely telling you to discontinue with hostile comments that have nothing to do with the discussion a veiled threat. And I am not required to have other points-of-view as I myself never demanded the same for Anti-Axanar side. And suspect you don't have one either, otherwise we wouldn't be here discussing my brain dysfunction ... SMH
It's not slander if it's true... Also, it's not a case of you being one-sided, but that you're defending the Antichrist Alec Peters over issues which are inexcusable, such as his behaviour of Tommy Kraft. He may have retracted the accusation, but he never had the balls to apologize, and that is the problem, because it shows that he treats people like s**t...
First I heard. Thanks doc... And daveyny just said it was because I was being one-sided. I guess I support the devil then. Better put me on Salem witch trials and burn me at the stake.... <sigh>
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And daveyny just said it was because I was being one-sided.
Are you acknowledging and giving credence to what daveny said? The issue daveny had is that you were being one-sided. My concern, was not that you were being one-sided, but the level of cognitive dissonance you must be engaging in to continue to defend Alec Peters... For the record, I was just being facetious about him being the Antichrist, but I stand by the statement that the way he behaved toward Tommy Kraft (and others) is disgraceful, and when done in such a public manner, a mere removal of an offensive statement is not enough, but merits a specifically worded retraction and apology acknowledging said misbehaviour...
Better put me on Salem witch trials and burn me at the stake.... <sigh>
PS Don't try that martyr/victim nonsense again either, it just shows you as a Special Snowflake who needs their Safe-Space, rather than someone capable and willing of debating and defending their ideas and opinions...
If you want to support Alec Peters, by all means feel free... But don't think that you're defending someone worthy of defence, because quite simply, Alec Peters clearly is not. Given the behaviour he has engaged in (and which those of us who have participated in this conversation for over five months are very aware of) don't be surprized when people not only disagree with you, but do so strenuously, and for clearly cited reasons...
I'm largely willing to let the Axanar supporters cling to their delusions. Reality will make its opinion known soon enough and I'm to the point where I'll get a little bit of petty pleasure in the shock they're going to experience when they see just how hard reality is gonna put its boot on Alec's neck and press down ((CRUNCH!)). Why try to challenge the beliefs of people who don't want to hear it and probably still won't believe it even when it's actually happening...
I'm largely willing to let the Axanar supporters cling to their delusions. Reality will make its opinion known soon enough and I'm to the point where I'll get a little bit of petty pleasure in the shock they're going to experience when they see just how hard reality is gonna put its boot on Alec's neck and press down ((CRUNCH!)). Why try to challenge the beliefs of people who don't want to hear it and probably still won't believe it even when it's actually happening...
True... As they say, you can lead a horse to water...
Are you acknowledging and giving credence to what daveny said? The issue daveny had is that you were being one-sided. My concern, was not that you were being one-sided, but the level of cognitive dissonance you must be engaging in to continue to defend Alec Peters... For the record, I was just being facetious about him being the Antichrist, but I stand by the statement that the way he behaved toward Tommy Kraft (and others) is disgraceful, and when done in such a public manner, a mere removal of an offensive statement is not enough, but merits a specifically worded retraction and apology acknowledging said misbehaviour...
PS Don't try that martyr/victim nonsense again either, it just shows you as a Special Snowflake who needs their Safe-Space, rather than someone capable and willing of debating and defending their ideas and opinions...
If you want to support Alec Peters, by all means feel free... But don't think that you're defending someone worthy of defence, because quite simply, Alec Peters clearly is not. Given the behaviour he has engaged in (and which those of us who have participated in this conversation for over five months are very aware of) don't be surprized when people not only disagree with you, but do so strenuously, and for clearly cited reasons...
If there is a "martyr/victim nonsense" it's because you made it so. And enough of the name tagging and telling me to leave the forums and go back to space-safe... I thought we were past that. And instead of making yourself concerned with Alec's behaviour you might want to revaluate your own. It was a discussion, but a few have turned into something else. I am no more a "special snowflake" as you're no judge Satie. Stop kicking the dead horse... please.
I'm largely willing to let the Axanar supporters cling to their delusions. Reality will make its opinion known soon enough and I'm to the point where I'll get a little bit of petty pleasure in the shock they're going to experience when they see just how hard reality is gonna put its boot on Alec's neck and press down ((CRUNCH!)). Why try to challenge the beliefs of people who don't want to hear it and probably still won't believe it even when it's actually happening...
Regardless of all the prejudice for the "delusional" Axanar supporters, this thread sadly continues to derail. And it becomes less about a discussion on the current events, but more of an excuse to sling around mud and act as a homage for Axanar protestor groups to rally behind.
True... As they say, you can lead a horse to water...
"Who's the more foolish, the fool, or the fool who follows him?" - Obi-Wan Kenobi
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Are you acknowledging and giving credence to what daveny said? The issue daveny had is that you were being one-sided. My concern, was not that you were being one-sided, but the level of cognitive dissonance you must be engaging in to continue to defend Alec Peters... For the record, I was just being facetious about him being the Antichrist, but I stand by the statement that the way he behaved toward Tommy Kraft (and others) is disgraceful, and when done in such a public manner, a mere removal of an offensive statement is not enough, but merits a specifically worded retraction and apology acknowledging said misbehaviour...
PS Don't try that martyr/victim nonsense again either, it just shows you as a Special Snowflake who needs their Safe-Space, rather than someone capable and willing of debating and defending their ideas and opinions...
If you want to support Alec Peters, by all means feel free... But don't think that you're defending someone worthy of defence, because quite simply, Alec Peters clearly is not. Given the behaviour he has engaged in (and which those of us who have participated in this conversation for over five months are very aware of) don't be surprized when people not only disagree with you, but do so strenuously, and for clearly cited reasons...
If there is a "martyr/victim nonsense" it's because you made it so. And enough of the name tagging and telling me to leave the forums and go back to space-safe... I thought we were past that. And instead of making yourself concerned with Alec's behaviour you might want to revaluate your own. It was a discussion, but a few have turned into something else. I am no more a "special snowflake" as you're no judge Satie. Stop kicking the dead horse... please.
I'm largely willing to let the Axanar supporters cling to their delusions. Reality will make its opinion known soon enough and I'm to the point where I'll get a little bit of petty pleasure in the shock they're going to experience when they see just how hard reality is gonna put its boot on Alec's neck and press down ((CRUNCH!)). Why try to challenge the beliefs of people who don't want to hear it and probably still won't believe it even when it's actually happening...
Regardless of all the prejudice for the "delusional" Axanar supporters, this thread sadly continues to derail. And it becomes less about a discussion on the current events, but more of an excuse to sling around mud and act as a homage for Axanar protestor groups to rally behind.
True... As they say, you can lead a horse to water...
"Who's the more foolish, the fool, or the fool who follows him?" - Obi-Wan Kenobi
Do stop hiding behind fictional characters and use your own arguments (if you're capable) I'm not saying that you are those things, but that you are making yourself come across thusly... I have 'made nothing so'... If you choose to act like a victim/martyr when challenged, that is your choice to respond thusly...
Also, my behaviour has not been libelous, slanderous, or otherwise legally actionable: I have merely said things which you do not like, and there is a difference. Also, I haven't pan-handled a million bucks off people to fund my own for-profit business, off the coat-tials of someone else's IP/Franchise, nor had the audacity to try and claim non-profit status to distract from any profitting... So no, I don't feel that my behaviour does need revaluation...
As I've said all along, I wanted to see Axanar as much as anyone else, but the way in which Alec Peters has behaved, in numerous ways, frankly is reprehensible, and I find him impossible to support, so find it frankly baffling that anyone else would support him, after everything which has come out in the past few weeks...
Do stop hiding behind fictional characters and use your own arguments (if you're capable) I'm not saying that you are those things, but that you are making yourself come across thusly... I have 'made nothing so'... If you choose to act like a victim/martyr when challenged, that is your choice to respond thusly...
Also, my behaviour has not been libelous, slanderous, or otherwise legally actionable: I have merely said things which you do not like, and there is a difference. Also, I haven't pan-handled a million bucks off people to fund my own for-profit business, off the coat-tials of someone else's IP/Franchise, nor had the audacity to try and claim non-profit status to distract from any profitting... So no, I don't feel that my behaviour does need revaluation...
As I've said all along, I wanted to see Axanar as much as anyone else, but the way in which Alec Peters has behaved, in numerous ways, frankly is reprehensible, and I find him impossible to support, so find it frankly baffling that anyone else would support him, after everything which has come out in the past few weeks...
Everything seems to fall on deaf ears with you. If you think this is civil debate and not a derailment then I don't know what to say.
"I'm not saying that you are those things" "It's not slander if it's true..."
Your last comment says otherwise. You must think I was born yesterday. And wouldn't say wanting a studio's grandchildren to go into debt, is doing much to encourage me you want to see the film either.
But it's ok in your 'reality', like someone mildly put it. In your perspective it's the greater good...
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Do stop hiding behind fictional characters and use your own arguments (if you're capable) I'm not saying that you are those things, but that you are making yourself come across thusly... I have 'made nothing so'... If you choose to act like a victim/martyr when challenged, that is your choice to respond thusly...
Also, my behaviour has not been libelous, slanderous, or otherwise legally actionable: I have merely said things which you do not like, and there is a difference. Also, I haven't pan-handled a million bucks off people to fund my own for-profit business, off the coat-tials of someone else's IP/Franchise, nor had the audacity to try and claim non-profit status to distract from any profitting... So no, I don't feel that my behaviour does need revaluation...
As I've said all along, I wanted to see Axanar as much as anyone else, but the way in which Alec Peters has behaved, in numerous ways, frankly is reprehensible, and I find him impossible to support, so find it frankly baffling that anyone else would support him, after everything which has come out in the past few weeks...
Everything seems to fall on deaf ears with you. If you think this is civil debate and not a derailment then I don't know what to say.
Everything which people have said and posted and validated, is falling on deaf ears with you... Your very post is a derailment rather than acknowledging the points which have been put to you against Alec Peters, are 100% valid, regardless of if you agree with it or not.
Only in your mind... As I said, truthful comments are not slanderous... You are choosing to react to these comments in such a deflective and defensive manner, rather than addressing them rationally...
And wouldn't say wanting a studio's grandchildren to go into debt, is doing much to encourage me you want to see the film either.
Did I say that I wanted a studio's grandchildren to go into debt? Feel free to quote where I said that... As for 'convincing you', I don't need to convince you of anything. I would point out, for all the good it may do, that I am able to separate my feelings about Alec Peters, for my enthusiasm to see Axanar... As I said all along, I fully believe that CBS/Paramount made the lawsuit out of fear of the impact on Beyond and the new series, but the way Alec Peters has behaved can be neither ignored or condoned 'just because' I think his project looked good. And, as I mentioned over the page, given that his right--hand woman is listed as acting in an unrelated movie, I have to question if the Axanar project is even going ahead at this point...
First off, being ignorant of a situation is in no way a correlation to being "mentally ill".
And being "one-sided" IS the problem I'm trying to point out to you.
Not Because Of Your 'Beliefs'..., but because you base those beliefs on just a Single Part of the overall situation and the fact that you aren't willing to even try to learn what everything else involved entails.
You've already PM'd me with a veiled threat, so I'm going to just let it go at this point since it's pretty obvious you are not even willing to consider any other point-of-view contrary to your own.
As you said above...
Have a Really Nice Day.
Your not the only one he has pulled that super sized slice of stupid with Davey.
Terran, two things.
1. You. Are. Not. A. Mod. You do not get to tell other people what to say or tell them not to say something because they are "derailing", if we cross the line the actual mods will let us know, just like they have for the entire time this forum has existed. The forum mods have also stated to others "Don't try to act like a mod, it really irritates the real mods".
2. For the sake of forum peace, and because your not worth getting myself temp banned, I have decided this will be my absolute last communication with you. I am done trying to educate you son, maybe in a few years when you get a taste of the real world you will be worth talking to, but not now. Any responses you make to my posts from here on out will be ignored, any PMs you send will be deleted unread.
I would point out, for all the good it may do, that I am able to separate my feelings about Alec Peters, for my enthusiasm to see Axanar...
All the profanity you have managed to post over the exceedingly long course of 42 pages says otherwise. I wouldn't call that successful separation of feelings.
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I am not a moderator, nor do I pretend to be. (if anyone thought otherwise, I apologise) I merely suggested to move the discussion on current events of the topic rather than centre it around myself. Which most have elected to ignore. Also I am not your son, and I don't require education from someone that takes pleasure in belittlement. I don't object to you not responding to me. I just wish you acted upon it, instead of posting it.
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It's interesting how someone who has said several times, they are done with this thread...
... Continues to post.
It's as if they just can't stand not having the last word.
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It's interesting how someone who has said several times, they are done with this thread...
... Continues to post.
It's as if they just can't stand not having the last word.
It's intriguing people that are against Axanar or have a personal vendetta with Alec Peters somehow continue to project their feelings onto others that outright support it. Going so far to call them a 'devil worshipper', while convincing themselves they are in the right...
"villains who twirl their moustaches are easy to spot. Those who clothe themselves in good deeds are well camouflaged." - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
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It's interesting how someone who has said several times, they are done with this thread...
... Continues to post.
It's as if they just can't stand not having the last word.
It's intriguing people that are against Axanar or have a personal vendetta with Alec Peters somehow continue to project their feelings onto others that outright support it. Going so far to call them a 'devil worshipper', while convincing themselves they are in the right...
"villains who twirl their moustaches are easy to spot. Those who clothe themselves in good deeds are well camouflaged." - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
No one in this thread has called you or anyone else a devil-worshipper. Nor have they implied it, inferred it or suggested it in anyway. There is a massive distinction between someone making a hyperbolic joke about the head of the Axanar project's arguably unethical business practices and calling anyone who supports Axanar as a whole a Satanist. I'm a patriotic British citizen. That doesn't mean I like the Prime Minister. I loved my last school - I hated the trust that managed it. There is a distinction between an organisation and the head of that organisation. There is a further distinction between an organisation and those who support it.
I wouldn't call that a joke. Nor would I consider wanting someone's grandchildren to be in debt. Anyone that thinks so should get counselling.
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It's interesting how someone who has said several times, they are done with this thread...
... Continues to post.
It's as if they just can't stand not having the last word.
It's intriguing people that are against Axanar or have a personal vendetta with Alec Peters somehow continue to project their feelings onto others that outright support it. Going so far to call them a 'devil worshipper', while convincing themselves they are in the right...
"villains who twirl their moustaches are easy to spot. Those who clothe themselves in good deeds are well camouflaged." - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
No one in this thread has called you or anyone else a devil-worshipper. Nor have they implied it, inferred it or suggested it in anyway. There is a massive distinction between someone making a hyperbolic joke about the head of the Axanar project's arguably unethical business practices and calling anyone who supports Axanar as a whole a Satanist. I'm a patriotic British citizen. That doesn't mean I like the Prime Minister. I loved my last school - I hated the trust that managed it. There is a distinction between an organisation and the head of that organisation. There is a further distinction between an organisation and those who support it.
What's wrong with Satanists? I work with a Satanist. While I am not a Christian, I often listen to 80s Christian Metal as I like the songs and sound, he has never said one word about it, no complaints, which is a lot better than the behavior of most Christians I know if the situation was reversed and I was listening to Horrorcore Rap (which I do).
After all, the Devil just punishes evil, he isn't responsible for the people who do it.
Firstly, I don't get into religious debates. I'm also not the one who implied being accused of worshipping the anti-Christ was an insult. I was responding to the person who did.
Also, I regret that most Christians you know are that insecure about their faith that they can't even tolerate a little music. Most of my Christian friends (and I am one) don't care what religion anyone else is or what music they listen to.
I wouldn't call that a joke. Nor would I consider wanting someone's grandchildren to be in debt. Anyone that thinks so should get counselling.
This guy lacks a sense of humor ...
Sorry, I don't find it at all amusing.
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Okay, whatever. The IP is resting with the same corporate entity through most of the course of those buyouts, again, until 2006. You want to call that "many... many," I won't run circles with you over hyperbole.
The judge threw that out, and you're grossly mischaracterizing the point of the claim on Klingon. Does Klingon, as a language, appear as a race language in Babylon 5? Or Firefly? Or BSG? Or Star Wars? No. You speak Klingon to be like a Klingon. Klingons, as a race, are a part of the Star Trek IP. Further, any of those language extensions are still based on a copyrighted book published by a CBS subsidiary.
This is a distraction from the point of the case. Peters is using Klingon to add authenticity to his Star Trek film... hence, the IP infringement claim.
Not quite. Tommy Kraft, former associate with Axanar, made the Horizon film. Christian Gossett, former director of the Axanar prelude film, came to Kraft's defense. James Crawley is the head of New Voyages, and doesn't have a horse in the race, short of being a fan film production. Add that to all of the other voices that simply want answers...
You keep looking through your Axanar-colored glasses, though...
I do. But I have no control over other people's assumptions . If you want to make discussion for opposing points of view that's your call. But you need to take a STEP back and accept other people DON'T have your same stance on the topic. It isn't a competition to see who is right that you're attempting to make it out to be. And it's not necessary to slander me as having mental illness for being one-sided.
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At least this isn't like Facebook where pro-Axanar people or anti-Axanar people can control the conversation to make their own viewpoint stand out.
My mistake. It's two former Axanar associates and another non-affiliated fan film. Plus the unregistered thousands that want justice against Axanar. Makes sense. I apologise if I don't take one article as proven evidence as a crime. I'll be wearing my CBS/Paramount 3D glasses when the Star Trek Beyond hits the cinema, not sure about the TV series though.
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And being "one-sided" IS the problem I'm trying to point out to you.
Not Because Of Your 'Beliefs'..., but because you base those beliefs on just a Single Part of the overall situation and the fact that you aren't willing to even try to learn what everything else involved entails.
You've already PM'd me with a veiled threat, so I'm going to just let it go at this point since it's pretty obvious you are not even willing to consider any other point-of-view contrary to your own.
As you said above...
Have a Really Nice Day.
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I would hardly call one PM politely telling you to discontinue with hostile comments that have nothing to do with the discussion a veiled threat. And I am not required to have other points-of-view as I myself never demanded the same for Anti-Axanar side. And suspect you don't have one either, otherwise we wouldn't be here discussing my brain dysfunction ... SMH
First I heard. Thanks doc... And daveyny just said it was because I was being one-sided. I guess I support the devil then. Better put me on Salem witch trials and burn me at the stake.... <sigh>
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If only that got us closer to convincing you CBS and Paramount still have a weighty cudgel at the table.
Condescending and defensive... Interesting...
Are you acknowledging and giving credence to what daveny said? The issue daveny had is that you were being one-sided. My concern, was not that you were being one-sided, but the level of cognitive dissonance you must be engaging in to continue to defend Alec Peters... For the record, I was just being facetious about him being the Antichrist, but I stand by the statement that the way he behaved toward Tommy Kraft (and others) is disgraceful, and when done in such a public manner, a mere removal of an offensive statement is not enough, but merits a specifically worded retraction and apology acknowledging said misbehaviour...
PS Don't try that martyr/victim nonsense again either, it just shows you as a Special Snowflake who needs their Safe-Space, rather than someone capable and willing of debating and defending their ideas and opinions...
If you want to support Alec Peters, by all means feel free... But don't think that you're defending someone worthy of defence, because quite simply, Alec Peters clearly is not. Given the behaviour he has engaged in (and which those of us who have participated in this conversation for over five months are very aware of) don't be surprized when people not only disagree with you, but do so strenuously, and for clearly cited reasons...
If there is a "martyr/victim nonsense" it's because you made it so. And enough of the name tagging and telling me to leave the forums and go back to space-safe... I thought we were past that. And instead of making yourself concerned with Alec's behaviour you might want to revaluate your own. It was a discussion, but a few have turned into something else. I am no more a "special snowflake" as you're no judge Satie. Stop kicking the dead horse... please.
Regardless of all the prejudice for the "delusional" Axanar supporters, this thread sadly continues to derail. And it becomes less about a discussion on the current events, but more of an excuse to sling around mud and act as a homage for Axanar protestor groups to rally behind.
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Also, my behaviour has not been libelous, slanderous, or otherwise legally actionable: I have merely said things which you do not like, and there is a difference. Also, I haven't pan-handled a million bucks off people to fund my own for-profit business, off the coat-tials of someone else's IP/Franchise, nor had the audacity to try and claim non-profit status to distract from any profitting... So no, I don't feel that my behaviour does need revaluation...
As I've said all along, I wanted to see Axanar as much as anyone else, but the way in which Alec Peters has behaved, in numerous ways, frankly is reprehensible, and I find him impossible to support, so find it frankly baffling that anyone else would support him, after everything which has come out in the past few weeks...
Everything seems to fall on deaf ears with you. If you think this is civil debate and not a derailment then I don't know what to say.
Your last comment says otherwise. You must think I was born yesterday. And wouldn't say wanting a studio's grandchildren to go into debt, is doing much to encourage me you want to see the film either.
But it's ok in your 'reality', like someone mildly put it. In your perspective it's the greater good...
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Only in your mind... As I said, truthful comments are not slanderous... You are choosing to react to these comments in such a deflective and defensive manner, rather than addressing them rationally...
What I think of you doesn't matter...
Did I say that I wanted a studio's grandchildren to go into debt? Feel free to quote where I said that... As for 'convincing you', I don't need to convince you of anything. I would point out, for all the good it may do, that I am able to separate my feelings about Alec Peters, for my enthusiasm to see Axanar... As I said all along, I fully believe that CBS/Paramount made the lawsuit out of fear of the impact on Beyond and the new series, but the way Alec Peters has behaved can be neither ignored or condoned 'just because' I think his project looked good. And, as I mentioned over the page, given that his right--hand woman is listed as acting in an unrelated movie, I have to question if the Axanar project is even going ahead at this point...
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All the profanity you have managed to post over the exceedingly long course of 42 pages says otherwise. I wouldn't call that successful separation of feelings.
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I am not a moderator, nor do I pretend to be. (if anyone thought otherwise, I apologise) I merely suggested to move the discussion on current events of the topic rather than centre it around myself. Which most have elected to ignore. Also I am not your son, and I don't require education from someone that takes pleasure in belittlement. I don't object to you not responding to me. I just wish you acted upon it, instead of posting it.
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... Continues to post.
It's as if they just can't stand not having the last word.
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It's intriguing people that are against Axanar or have a personal vendetta with Alec Peters somehow continue to project their feelings onto others that outright support it. Going so far to call them a 'devil worshipper', while convincing themselves they are in the right...
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I don't mind talking with some of the other folks on this thread. I'm just willing to let life be the great teacher.
Oh, and I've bookmarked the thread for the "I told you so" necromancy in 3-6 months
No one in this thread has called you or anyone else a devil-worshipper. Nor have they implied it, inferred it or suggested it in anyway. There is a massive distinction between someone making a hyperbolic joke about the head of the Axanar project's arguably unethical business practices and calling anyone who supports Axanar as a whole a Satanist. I'm a patriotic British citizen. That doesn't mean I like the Prime Minister. I loved my last school - I hated the trust that managed it. There is a distinction between an organisation and the head of that organisation. There is a further distinction between an organisation and those who support it.
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Firstly, I don't get into religious debates. I'm also not the one who implied being accused of worshipping the anti-Christ was an insult. I was responding to the person who did.
Also, I regret that most Christians you know are that insecure about their faith that they can't even tolerate a little music. Most of my Christian friends (and I am one) don't care what religion anyone else is or what music they listen to.
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This guy lacks a sense of humor ...
Sorry, I don't find it at all amusing.
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