I'll just say this, if Alec Peters is allowed to complete Axanar, CBS/Paramount will lose all credibility IMO.
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Here is another interesting video to look at. Reminds me of 40 pages. 9:40 especially...
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There is no way Axanar is getting made. Not unless that's part of the settlement. But I doubt that it is.
I see no way C/P will agree to any settlement that allows Axanar to go forward. It would be akin to them announcing "Hey, it is alright to rip off our IP, as long as you do it close to a movie release." And there is just no way they are going to do that. It would weaken them far too much.
Nobody backed off of anything, they have entered into settlement talks, which was the next court ordered step in the process anyway. *Rollseyes*
Watch the video first, instead of reading a headline from a thumbnail...
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Here is another interesting video to look at. Reminds me of 40 pages. 9:40 especially...
Interesting video... Some of it, I agree with, some of it I don't, and, like everything else online, is nothing more than a yahoo with an opinion and an outlet, it's not anything official, nor even a definitive or even accurate overview of everything about the situation...
Until we're told by Alec Peters that Axanar is going ahead, it's ludicrous of this guy to say that it's going ahead...
His understanding of the filming process, is also deeply flawed... When I studied film-making back in the 90's, we were told about how a particular camera operator would only use a very specific set of lenses when shooting. He had the serial numbers of each lens, and when the time came for the studio to lease the equipment, he would insist on a specific set.
Look at how Star Trek itself frequently re-uses standing sets... The bridge of the Defiant, became the bridge of the NX-01... Star Trek Continues uses the same sets as I believe a series following the adventures of either the Faragut or the Lexington I forget which, but the point is, standing sets are leased and re-used by productions. For Axanar productions to have leased some space and then built all the sets needed for Axanar, then pulled it down again, Big Whoop, that's what the film industry does*... So what he says about them using Ares/Valkyrie studios for for profit projects in the future is not frugality or smart planning, it's a deliberate establishment of a for profit business, on the back of what is trying to be filed as a non-profit project, and his supporting it, is simply his opinion from the perspective as an independant film-maker...
But anyway, thanks for sharing the link, it was interesting
*The soundstage used for Charlize Theron's Queen's Castle in SnowWhite, was also the soundstage used for 'her' starship, Prometheus... (Hopefully) many years from now, future filmmakers will be seeing the ghost of Charlize Theron wandering around their sets**...
** Three Men and a Baby-style
(I say 'hopefully' as in hopefully many years before Ms Theron passes, and I hope we'll have Ms Theron with us for many more happy and healthy years... But when she does eventually pass, it wouldn't surprize me if there are sightings on that location...
Nobody backed off of anything, they have entered into settlement talks, which was the next court ordered step in the process anyway. *Rollseyes*
Watch the video first, instead of reading a headline from a thumbnail...
Stop making baseless assumptions about other people's actions. I did watch it, simply put, the only thing worth commenting on was the "backed off" bit, pretty much everything else is TRIBBLE.
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Personally, I don't ever see Axanar ever being made. Looked like it would have been worth watching too.
I also personally doubt any settlement will be made, because Peters has to sign off on it himself (which means he won't sign it unless it allows Axanar to be made in some shape or form, or allows him to keep his for-profit studio), but that's my opinion.
Here is another interesting video to look at. Reminds me of 40 pages. 9:40 especially...
That guy is a moron.
He's dumping his own opinions into his analysis. C/P didn't call Tommy Kraft a "f**ker," when they recommended him to stop. (Don't curse simply to curse on the internet, kids, it makes you sound stupid.)
Further, making claims like "Klingon isn't TOTALLY in the public domain" or unlicensed merchandise is "skirting" the issue of IP rights... I got news for ya: try selling unlicensed NFL merchandise, and see what happens. (Also, the Klingon Dictionary was published by Simon & Schuster, which is owned by CBS... derp.)
Finally, settlement is NOT dropping the case. Abrams said the case is "going away," and frankly, that's not the final word on the matter. Let's see where the settlement lands before we erect the Alec Peters statue, m'kay?
Here is another interesting video to look at. Reminds me of 40 pages. 9:40 especially...
That guy is a moron.
He's dumping his own opinions into his analysis. C/P didn't call Tommy Kraft a "f**ker," when they recommended him to stop. (Don't curse simply to curse on the internet, kids, it makes you sound stupid.)
Further, making claims like "Klingon isn't TOTALLY in the public domain" or unlicensed merchandise is "skirting" the issue of IP rights... I got news for ya: try selling unlicensed NFL merchandise, and see what happens. (Also, the Klingon Dictionary was published by Simon & Schuster, which is owned by CBS... derp.)
Finally, settlement is NOT dropping the case. Abrams said the case is "going away," and frankly, that's not the final word on the matter. Let's see where the settlement lands before we erect the Alec Peters statue, m'kay?
We will see. And Trek has had many IP holders in the past... many... They only own it so long as they can provide the money to do so successfully. And right now current holders are desperately trying to prove they own a fictional and expanded upon language. And it's not a surprise that I am cheering for Axanar to win, hope you got the MEMO. I'll be back with his statue if all goes well.
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This whole mess is hurting Trek Fandom not helping it.
(and JJ stepping into the center of it isn't helping)
It's pretty obvious (to me anyway) that Peter's is taking advantage of Trek Fans to further his own ambitions.
In my book, that's a pretty cruddy thing to do.
Personally, I hope he has to declare bankruptcy once this is over and never gets to touch anything Star Trek again.
<shrug>
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And right now current holders are desperately trying to prove they own a fictional and expanded upon language.
"Great men are not peacemakers, Great men are conquerors!" - Captain Archer" "When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way." - Captain Janeway #Support Mirror Universe I.S.S. Prefixes
Seems to me the only "desperate" one in this whole mess is Peter's.
His lawyers are the ones filing motion after motion, and being shot down continually by the judge.
CBS and Paramount are just filing answers as the plaintiff's, as directed by the judge.
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Sounds like one angry associate is blaming Alec he couldn't make his film and implying it's all Axanar's fault and bringing up one petty argument among them as some sort of justification they are the evil bad guys. Not the lawyers sent by CBS/Paramount that went to him and firmly
insisted
suggested he not pursue his crowd-funding....
It was good read. But it only mentioned two people. Not an entire fan community.
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Peter's publically blamed the guy for skrewing up (when in fact he didn't), and then kinda-sorta admitted it WAS his (Peter's) own mistake without publically issuing an apology to Mr. Kraft.
As well as others, who worked on the project saying it was Peter's mistake as well.
This is the type of person you are blindly attempting to defend...
Can ya see the dysfunction in your thinking here yet???
smh
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Seems to me the only "desperate" one in this whole mess is Peter's.
His lawyers are the ones filing motion after motion, and being shot down continually by the judge.
CBS and Paramount are just filing answers as the plaintiff's, as directed by the judge.
If that was the case they would have refused settlement talks and pursued with the lawsuit.
"Great men are not peacemakers, Great men are conquerors!" - Captain Archer" "When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way." - Captain Janeway #Support Mirror Universe I.S.S. Prefixes
Peter's publically blamed the guy for skrewing up (when in fact he didn't), and then kinda-sorta admitted it WAS his own mistake without publically issuing an apology.
As well as others, who worked on the project saying it was Peter's mistake as well.
This is the type of person you are blindly attempting to defend...
Can ya see the dysfunction in your thinking here yet???
smh
Not really. Maybe I find it quite sickening that people can openly want someone's grandchildren and everyone's family at Axanar in debt. Or maybe I need a psychologist to explain it to me in depth.
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CBS & Paramount CAN'T refuse the Settlement Talks as it was a Direct Order from the Judge.
And neither can Mr. Peters.
If no common ground can be decided upon, THEN the party's can go back to the judge and continue with the lawsuit.
You really do need to educate yourself on how this stuff works.
You might also want to take into account how INACCURATE many of your posts are due to that same ignorance, as you continue your misguided defense of the man.
SMH
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CBS & Paramount CAN'T refuse the Settlement Talks as it was a Direct Order from the Judge.
And neither can Mr. Peters.
If no common ground can be decided upon, THEN the party's can go back to the judge and continue with the lawsuit.
You really do need to educate yourself on how this stuff works.
You might want to also take into account how INACCURATE many of your posts are due to ignorance, as you continue your misguided defense of the man.
SMH
Not really, I wouldn't want to pretend to be a lawyer on public thread. And I really wish you were more civil about our disagreements instead of derailing.
Have a nice day...
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Peter's publically blamed the guy for skrewing up (when in fact he didn't), and then kinda-sorta admitted it WAS his own mistake without publically issuing an apology.
As well as others, who worked on the project saying it was Peter's mistake as well.
This is the type of person you are blindly attempting to defend...
Can ya see the dysfunction in your thinking here yet???
smh
Not really. Maybe I find it quite sickening that people can openly want someone's grandchildren and everyone's family at Axanar in debt. Or maybe I need a psychologist to explain it to me in depth.
I have no idea as to whether or not you need psychological help, that is something you'll have to work out on your own.
I do see though, that you obviously need to take in and digestALL the information being put out there about this sad event...
Not just the items that support your narrow and biased view of how horrible as Corporations, CBS & Paramount are.
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CBS & Paramount CAN'T refuse the Settlement Talks as it was a Direct Order from the Judge.
And neither can Mr. Peters.
If no common ground can be decided upon, THEN the party's can go back to the judge and continue with the lawsuit.
You really do need to educate yourself on how this stuff works.
You might want to also take into account how INACCURATE many of your posts are due to ignorance, as you continue your misguided defense of the man.
SMH
Not really, I wouldn't want to pretend to be a lawyer on public thread. And I really wish you were more civil about our disagreements instead of derailing.
Have a nice day...
Heh...
I wish you well also...
Funny how when somebody points out your inaccuracies and calls you out, you suddenly go into defense mode and try to use the exact same thing you accuse me of... Deflection.
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Tommy Kraft, the writer and director of "Star Trek: Horizon," (maker of digital sets for Prelude to Axanar) he left Axanar after Peters tried to use him as a scapegoat in a podcast.
Robert Meyer Burnett, the announced director of "Axanar," basically called Kraft ungrateful, but made a vague dismissive claim that suggested that Kraft was in fact to blame.
Christian Gossett, who left "Axanar" in May 2015(was listed as director) told Kraft to ignore Burnett and that his work was good enough for real films and not just fan films.
James Cawley, the producer of "Star Trek: New Voyages," (not affiliated with Axanar) blasted Axanar and Peters for being in it for the money.
I wouldn't characterize that as just "one angry associate ". Peters alienated the production crew that built Prelude. They're not going to help him work on the main Axanar project. He's also given people who might possibly be willing to replace them reasons to stay away.
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Here is another interesting video to look at. Reminds me of 40 pages. 9:40 especially...
"When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way." - Captain Janeway
#Support Mirror Universe I.S.S. Prefixes
I see no way C/P will agree to any settlement that allows Axanar to go forward. It would be akin to them announcing "Hey, it is alright to rip off our IP, as long as you do it close to a movie release." And there is just no way they are going to do that. It would weaken them far too much.
Watch the video first, instead of reading a headline from a thumbnail...
"When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way." - Captain Janeway
#Support Mirror Universe I.S.S. Prefixes
Until we're told by Alec Peters that Axanar is going ahead, it's ludicrous of this guy to say that it's going ahead...
His understanding of the filming process, is also deeply flawed... When I studied film-making back in the 90's, we were told about how a particular camera operator would only use a very specific set of lenses when shooting. He had the serial numbers of each lens, and when the time came for the studio to lease the equipment, he would insist on a specific set.
Look at how Star Trek itself frequently re-uses standing sets... The bridge of the Defiant, became the bridge of the NX-01... Star Trek Continues uses the same sets as I believe a series following the adventures of either the Faragut or the Lexington I forget which, but the point is, standing sets are leased and re-used by productions. For Axanar productions to have leased some space and then built all the sets needed for Axanar, then pulled it down again, Big Whoop, that's what the film industry does*... So what he says about them using Ares/Valkyrie studios for for profit projects in the future is not frugality or smart planning, it's a deliberate establishment of a for profit business, on the back of what is trying to be filed as a non-profit project, and his supporting it, is simply his opinion from the perspective as an independant film-maker...
But anyway, thanks for sharing the link, it was interesting
*The soundstage used for Charlize Theron's Queen's Castle in SnowWhite, was also the soundstage used for 'her' starship, Prometheus... (Hopefully) many years from now, future filmmakers will be seeing the ghost of Charlize Theron wandering around their sets**...
** Three Men and a Baby-style
(I say 'hopefully' as in hopefully many years before Ms Theron passes, and I hope we'll have Ms Theron with us for many more happy and healthy years... But when she does eventually pass, it wouldn't surprize me if there are sightings on that location...
I found it quite enlightening.
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I also personally doubt any settlement will be made, because Peters has to sign off on it himself (which means he won't sign it unless it allows Axanar to be made in some shape or form, or allows him to keep his for-profit studio), but that's my opinion.
That guy is a moron.
He's dumping his own opinions into his analysis. C/P didn't call Tommy Kraft a "f**ker," when they recommended him to stop. (Don't curse simply to curse on the internet, kids, it makes you sound stupid.)
Further, making claims like "Klingon isn't TOTALLY in the public domain" or unlicensed merchandise is "skirting" the issue of IP rights... I got news for ya: try selling unlicensed NFL merchandise, and see what happens. (Also, the Klingon Dictionary was published by Simon & Schuster, which is owned by CBS... derp.)
Finally, settlement is NOT dropping the case. Abrams said the case is "going away," and frankly, that's not the final word on the matter. Let's see where the settlement lands before we erect the Alec Peters statue, m'kay?
http://1701news.com/node/1205/fan-film-producers-finally-speak-out-axanar-lawsuit.html
We will see. And Trek has had many IP holders in the past... many... They only own it so long as they can provide the money to do so successfully. And right now current holders are desperately trying to prove they own a fictional and expanded upon language. And it's not a surprise that I am cheering for Axanar to win, hope you got the MEMO. I'll be back with his statue if all goes well.
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LOL, who, then? Desilu was bought out by Paramount, and the IP rested solely with them until the Viacom break-up in ~2006.
How? One is about to release a movie, and the other a new series...
(and JJ stepping into the center of it isn't helping)
It's pretty obvious (to me anyway) that Peter's is taking advantage of Trek Fans to further his own ambitions.
In my book, that's a pretty cruddy thing to do.
Personally, I hope he has to declare bankruptcy once this is over and never gets to touch anything Star Trek again.
<shrug>
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Management did change often it doesn't matter if they kept the same name. Here is the link.
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek_corporate_history
It was edited. I wasn't suggesting financially.
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Seems to me the only "desperate" one in this whole mess is Peter's.
His lawyers are the ones filing motion after motion, and being shot down continually by the judge.
CBS and Paramount are just filing answers as the plaintiff's, as directed by the judge.
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Sounds like one angry associate is blaming Alec he couldn't make his film and implying it's all Axanar's fault and bringing up one petty argument among them as some sort of justification they are the evil bad guys. Not the lawyers sent by CBS/Paramount that went to him and firmly
It was good read. But it only mentioned two people. Not an entire fan community.
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As well as others, who worked on the project saying it was Peter's mistake as well.
This is the type of person you are blindly attempting to defend...
Can ya see the dysfunction in your thinking here yet???
smh
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If that was the case they would have refused settlement talks and pursued with the lawsuit.
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Not really. Maybe I find it quite sickening that people can openly want someone's grandchildren and everyone's family at Axanar in debt. Or maybe I need a psychologist to explain it to me in depth.
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CBS & Paramount CAN'T refuse the Settlement Talks as it was a Direct Order from the Judge.
And neither can Mr. Peters.
If no common ground can be decided upon, THEN the party's can go back to the judge and continue with the lawsuit.
You really do need to educate yourself on how this stuff works.
You might also want to take into account how INACCURATE many of your posts are due to that same ignorance, as you continue your misguided defense of the man.
SMH
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Not really, I wouldn't want to pretend to be a lawyer on public thread. And I really wish you were more civil about our disagreements instead of derailing.
Have a nice day...
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I have no idea as to whether or not you need psychological help, that is something you'll have to work out on your own.
I do see though, that you obviously need to take in and digest ALL the information being put out there about this sad event...
Not just the items that support your narrow and biased view of how horrible as Corporations, CBS & Paramount are.
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I wish you well also...
Funny how when somebody points out your inaccuracies and calls you out, you suddenly go into defense mode and try to use the exact same thing you accuse me of... Deflection.
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Robert Meyer Burnett, the announced director of "Axanar," basically called Kraft ungrateful, but made a vague dismissive claim that suggested that Kraft was in fact to blame.
Christian Gossett, who left "Axanar" in May 2015(was listed as director) told Kraft to ignore Burnett and that his work was good enough for real films and not just fan films.
James Cawley, the producer of "Star Trek: New Voyages," (not affiliated with Axanar) blasted Axanar and Peters for being in it for the money.
I wouldn't characterize that as just "one angry associate ". Peters alienated the production crew that built Prelude. They're not going to help him work on the main Axanar project. He's also given people who might possibly be willing to replace them reasons to stay away.
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