I'm not surprised that the ships are being retired from the events. Every game retires certain things after awhile so that much isn't really a shocker to me.
I have to say though, removing in progress projects from people does not sit well with me in the slightest. It would have been better imo to just let the new currency count towards currently slotted projects as well. Since there was no way to slot a new project this would have been a better thing imo.
Also it does not set well that there's been no warning of the ships being retired in either this case, or the summer event until we were right on top of it. As others have suggested it would have been better to allow this to be the final year for the ships. Such as for this winter event, after this year they will no longer be available. I get it that eventually Cryptic wants to retire stuff after awhile but this just seems like an unexpected uppercut.
I personally would like to see them go to lobi ships much similar to how the dyson science and obelisk did after they went out of service/project. If not lobi then I would drop cash on a breen 3 pack or something along those lines. Overall I think that too much exclusivity in this instance is a bad thing.
"Someone once told me that time was a predator that stalked us all our lives. I rather believe that time is a companion who goes with us on the journey and reminds us to cherish every moment, because it will never come again." - Jean Luc Picard in Star Trek Generations
The problem with giving players "one last chance" to get the previous ship(s), is that there would always be someone asking for "one last chance" because [insert excuse here as to why they missed it before]. If an exception were granted for this year, it would be used as the basis of an argument for granting an exception the next year. Players were told during the summer that this was going to happen, so if Cryptic is going to retire them, then just retire them. No "last chance" promotions.
Now, that's not to say that I support that decision. I don't agree at all with retiring rewards, or one-time only rewards that cannot be reclaimed. I do not see the problem with allowing the winter/summer ship or CC/MI projects to be done indefinitely. Especially when Cryptic runs new player recruitment promotions like Delta Rising. I just don't see how it's advantageous to Cryptic to deny rewards to newer players.
^This, right here!
We, the community should do something until Cryptic does this.
How about a compromise?
Cryptic can have it there way and make new economies for the ships and events, and in return, they just allow us to get whatever ship we want. Either the new ship for the event, or, some of the old ships.
And its not like players wouldn't play anymore. Unless you have at least 5 toons its not like you could do all the ships in one event. AND even if you do run and claim every ship in one event, there would be a new ship next year so you would always come back.
Retire the currency each year, not the rewards. Make new currency backwards compatible, capable of completing previous years' projects, but old currency cannot be used for the current year's project. That alone would resolve the stockpiling issue and prevent players from preloading for next year.
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We want to maintain the exclusivity and collectability of the event ships from the Winter Event each year
Why?
This sums it up to a tee. I assume its to stop stockpiling of the resources for it, though I've seen plenty of games which have events with plenty of resources that handle this sort of thing infinitely better, either by capping resources or by giving plenty to spend on, as with the other currencies, so that you couldn't earn enough across all characters in a single season anyway.
Disappointed but unsurprised. I have all the ships already but this whole 'exclusivity' thing is utter TRIBBLE. Nobody who has the ships will be upset if someone who joins later in the game gets them as well, it's just a transparent attempt to get people spending lobi to get the ships a few days early. I highly doubt it actually works though, the people who kept grinding last year in preparation for this year are not the types of people to spend real money to get a few days ahead.
Not that there's any point in complaining about it, everything was said back in summer and Cryptic made it abundantly clear then that they don't care.
You'll let us spend lobi to get photos to get ahead, but if we run the event years ahead of time on multiple characters, that's no good?
They changed the event so completing ONCE now unlocks for ALL CHARACTERS including FUTURE ALTS you create months or years later.
Cryptic has done something very nice for us. You should be happy about that.
I'd rather they keep the ships character unlocks, but just make all Winter Event ships available to earn each year. The whole "maintaining exclusivity and collectability" stuff is nonsense.
For one, there's no need for these to be one-year exclusive ships. Making it so that the older ships are never to be obtainable again by newer players restricts content for no legitimate reason other than the "because we can" excuse. Plus, "collectability"? HAH! These Breen ships all have a console set that provides bonuses. By making these ships one-year exclusives, if you happen to miss one ship for reasons like travelling or otherwise, one can never get the ship(s) again. Thus, one cannot "collect" them to complete the set because once the event is over, they're gone for good.
The same issue occurred with the Kobali Samsar, an event ship. The Samsar's console is needed for the 4-piece bonus with the Command Battlecruisers/Warbirds, all C-Store ships. Because the Samsar is no longer obtainable by any means, it is now impossible for anyone who missed the event to complete this set.
Really, all this does is create more restrictions for the newer/average player and discourages them from wanting to actually go out and participate in these events. For God's sake Cryptic, just make all Summer event ships available to earn every Summer event, all Winter event ships earnable during each Winter event, and the same with Anniversary events. It just makes the game a lot easier and more enjoyable for those players who happened to miss these events, for whatever reasons.
The problem with giving players "one last chance" to get the previous ship(s), is that there would always be someone asking for "one last chance" because [insert excuse here as to why they missed it before]. If an exception were granted for this year, it would be used as the basis of an argument for granting an exception the next year. Players were told during the summer that this was going to happen, so if Cryptic is going to retire them, then just retire them. No "last chance" promotions.
Now, that's not to say that I support that decision. I don't agree at all with retiring rewards, or one-time only rewards that cannot be reclaimed. I do not see the problem with allowing the winter/summer ship or CC/MI projects to be done indefinitely. Especially when Cryptic runs new player recruitment promotions like Delta Rising. I just don't see how it's advantageous to Cryptic to deny rewards to newer players.
On the whole I do see the logic in your point (Though I should admit I have all event ships Summer, Winter, and Anniversary so perhaps that clouds my perspective), however I would point out one thing about this particular case. While I felt for newer players last summer, at least with the Risian ships, they had a finished console set. No new Risian ship was being offered where a newer player could only ever get a single part of it, instead we got a Ferengi ship. However, assuming the rumors are true and I'm pretty sure they are, we are getting at least one final Breen ship this year whose console will most likely be the fourth part of the Breen event ship set. To me and many others this is no big deal as we have all the ships, but for a new player who can get this new Breen ship but will never be able to finish the console set I can understand why that would be very frustrating. (Which is simmilar to those who cannot complete the command cruiser set beacuse they don't have the Samsar) Seeing as this new ship will also be retired at the end of this year (Per the new system) and the fact that it will probably be the last Breen ship (We've never had a five console set as far as I know and aside from a pure non-carrier sci ship I think we have a Breen ship of every variety with the inclusion this year's dread) I think it would have been nice of Cryptic to offer all Breen ships one last time so anyone, old or new, could complete the set. Then the Breen line would be retired in its entirety. Well, thats just my humble opinion anyway, I'm just grateful now that I decided to finish the raider last year along with the Sarr Theln.
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I'm not surprised that the ships are being retired from the events. Every game retires certain things after awhile so that much isn't really a shocker to me.
I have to say though, removing in progress projects from people does not sit well with me in the slightest. It would have been better imo to just let the new currency count towards currently slotted projects as well. Since there was no way to slot a new project this would have been a better thing imo.
Also it does not set well that there's been no warning of the ships being retired in either this case, or the summer event until we were right on top of it. As others have suggested it would have been better to allow this to be the final year for the ships. Such as for this winter event, after this year they will no longer be available. I get it that eventually Cryptic wants to retire stuff after awhile but this just seems like an unexpected uppercut.
I personally would like to see them go to lobi ships much similar to how the dyson science and obelisk did after they went out of service/project. If not lobi then I would drop cash on a breen 3 pack or something along those lines. Overall I think that too much exclusivity in this instance is a bad thing.
You missed this:
What if I have a partial Winter Reputation project in progress?
Those of you that already have a winter ship project in progress from a previous year’s event WILL NOT lose any progress, and can simply finish that project either with your existing Autographs, or with the new currency when it arrives.
I'm not surprised that the ships are being retired from the events. Every game retires certain things after awhile so that much isn't really a shocker to me.
I have to say though, removing in progress projects from people does not sit well with me in the slightest. It would have been better imo to just let the new currency count towards currently slotted projects as well. Since there was no way to slot a new project this would have been a better thing imo.
Also it does not set well that there's been no warning of the ships being retired in either this case, or the summer event until we were right on top of it. As others have suggested it would have been better to allow this to be the final year for the ships. Such as for this winter event, after this year they will no longer be available. I get it that eventually Cryptic wants to retire stuff after awhile but this just seems like an unexpected uppercut.
I personally would like to see them go to lobi ships much similar to how the dyson science and obelisk did after they went out of service/project. If not lobi then I would drop cash on a breen 3 pack or something along those lines. Overall I think that too much exclusivity in this instance is a bad thing.
You missed this:
What if I have a partial Winter Reputation project in progress?
Those of you that already have a winter ship project in progress from a previous year’s event WILL NOT lose any progress, and can simply finish that project either with your existing Autographs, or with the new currency when it arrives.
There's your answer.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
Great, so they're 'retiring' a series of ships with inter-connected consoles forming a set... If you don't have them all, so much for forming the console set...
When, if ever, are we likely to see some sort of 'last chance' event to gain those event ships people have missed out on?
This is a bit fubar'd. 2 years ago you had to earn each ship on each toon- so it was grind city, then they changed it to a account unlock last year. I thought they really wanted people to play more. Whose gonna bother to grind on multiple toons when all they need is to unlock an item on one toon for an account wide unlock ?
We went through all this same angst before the Summer Event and anyone who did not believe that this wasn't going to happen for the Winter Event is foolish to say the least. PR wise they could have just added a statement to the Summer Announcement, that this method will be also used for the Winter Event, but alas they didn't.
Now to the point in hand - retiring a T6 ship already is ridiculous, again to say the least. And if they pull this with the Samsar they really ought to start putting the Console/Core, etc. type of stuff into the Dilitium Reclaim Store, so we don't end up with another Dyson Destroyer debacle (available in the Lobi Store, then account unlock).
As far as the 'making this ships more exclusive' horse hockey, they used similar language when removing the Reputation Marks Turn in projects from being eligible for Bonus Dilitium during any Dilitium Events to 'make those projects more valuable throughout the year'; essentially by making them all the same value of a lesser degree.
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That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Keep in mind that they want 25 log-ins this year, not once to claim and see you in 6 months for Risa...
And then for those who stockpiled on multiple alts, they can repeat this each year for however many alts years...
This is why they're going "exclusive currency for each year"...
Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...
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Perhaps, to soften the blow, the new "Q items" can be exchanged for admiralty cards of the old give away ships.
That way the devs don't have to make 3-4 year old projects compatible with new currency and the players get access to the event ship admiralty cards which generally have pretty good stats.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
We went through all this for the Risa Summer event and it was hinted then that this would be the same transition for the winter event. No surprise here. The alts only had to run the event once to claim the ship - now they don;t have to run it at all to claim it. That was a good call. No one wants to spend summer vacation in front of a computer grinding, and while winter means more time indoors, its also the hectic holiday season, so not much time to grind then either.
I had originally hoped that by grinding twice as hard in one season, I could spend the next season doing holiday stuff. Now we are forced to choose between either time grinding on the computer or time with family/friends. Darn those pesky priorities.
One last thing: Those ridiculous space emotes - have not seen them used by players when they were offered in the summer. why? because they are even lamer than calling your ship the USS Hairypants. Developers: take the hint.
Just when I thought the devs couldn't be worse. Chances are we're going to see these ships become lobi ships in about four or five months, or worse yet c-store T6 versions for 3000 zen.
Stupid and mean spirited to not allow players to choose which ship they want depending on which event is active. Especially when certain "retired" ships have consoles needed to complete sets that are bought and paid for. This just proves even more how little they think of their customer base.
Can't say I'm surprised about this, since I've vented about this change during the summer event changeover I don't see any reason to complain now.
Carry on.
Edit: I'd just like to add that retiring the Sarr Theln (a T6 ship) does seem rather mean toward people who were counting on it being available this year. A more acceptable method of retiring these ships would be to leave them available for this year (after announcing they will be retired), then remove them after the event ends. This would let players have one last chance to get them, then they'd be gone forever. Still unpleasant, but would give players at least a chance to get one before its gone...
I've written all of this to explain how we've gotten to where we are today, a new currency for every ship every year.
I've been waiting for those ship emotes to go into the GPL store. Back then when they announced the retiring of Lohlunat pearls a dev said that was going to happen. Months later it was brought up on the forums and a dev said it was still coming.
However, I don't expect it to happen until some time after the anniversary event next year, since Qmendations are probably going to be retired and the emotes will be offered as a trade-in. The anniversary event is the last one to retire the currency used to get the special ship.
I don't think I have any characters with extra glossy photos of Q from the winter event, but I believe my 12 characters that existed during the last anniversary event all have at least 400 Qmendations. So my delta recruits will be the only ones that have to wait for the ship emotes to go into the GPL store.
I bought a life time subscription even before I played the game, bought $100's of dollars in zen, I spend up to 3 hours of game time everyday grinding to include events like Q's Winter event. Why you ask, to get ahead, to get the cool things you guys/gals put into the game. I don't complain to much about it but this. I love this game, even the grinding somewhat.....but this is like having worked 30 days and getting an IOU for 15 of them. Right before it time to pay up you tell me its useless, your going to pay be in a different way after I work another 15 days but hey, its Cool you say, your going to make it up by paying me pennies on the dollar. I feel this is wrong. we worked hard to get ahead, you even let us, you encourage us, now your taking it away. I feel like I just wasted my time and money when the suits do things like this to me, a life time player. I'm starting to think I should have played for free, I would get the nice items we got from the c-store but I have also gotten the ships you emailed to people who haven't played in some time or play for free.
What a rip!!! You should announced it before the event like you have but change it after the event!
I'm not a happy Captain right now. Speaking of Captain another rip, the Captains table, wasted space. .
As I said before I can understand wanting to retire certain rewards and I'm not surprised about this. I don't like that there was no advanced warning to this or the summer event until it was too late for anyone to do anything. Imo we should have been given this as the final year to get them through the event. if the issue as well was people stockpiling resources then this as others have said could have been easily fixed by making it require currency from that year's even. 2015 works for 2015, 2016 works for 2016 and so on. If it's purely about resource stockpiling this strikes me as using a sledgehammer to swat a fly. I do agree this is a bad way to go because of set bonuses. However if they're going to retire them from the event then I would like to see them at least hit the lobi store. In that instance folks can still get the ship, and cryptic makes cash at the same time. Personally I don't see the need for the ship to be exclusive to the point that people can't complete sets like with the Samsar. If the issue is exclusivity as well, then why not just do a sort of lesser version or let those of us who acquired through the event have a title or something. Also seems kind of let down that the t6 ship is already being retired and removed. Don't get me wrong I'm grateful it went account wide unlock but overall I think this seems a heavy handed approach to a simple problem.
That's my 2 cents for whatever it's worth.
What if I have a partial Winter Reputation project in progress?
Those of you that already have a winter ship project in progress from a previous year’s event WILL NOT lose any progress, and can simply finish that project either with your existing Autographs, or with the new currency when it arrives.
It also says just below that they're removing them as well.
What if I don't finish a Winter Reputation project?
All in-progress Winter Reputation projects will be removed before the subsequent year arrives.
If they're allowing people to keep their progress then I think it should be stated that if someone doesn't complete the ship by the end of this event, they lose the project. it should be better clarified imo.
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I have to say though, removing in progress projects from people does not sit well with me in the slightest. It would have been better imo to just let the new currency count towards currently slotted projects as well. Since there was no way to slot a new project this would have been a better thing imo.
Also it does not set well that there's been no warning of the ships being retired in either this case, or the summer event until we were right on top of it. As others have suggested it would have been better to allow this to be the final year for the ships. Such as for this winter event, after this year they will no longer be available. I get it that eventually Cryptic wants to retire stuff after awhile but this just seems like an unexpected uppercut.
I personally would like to see them go to lobi ships much similar to how the dyson science and obelisk did after they went out of service/project. If not lobi then I would drop cash on a breen 3 pack or something along those lines. Overall I think that too much exclusivity in this instance is a bad thing.
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Yes, this could be even better than points 1 and 3 from my list http://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/comment/12775691/#Comment_12775691 above, and for some players better than point 5 as well. Or perhaps they could take some ideas from both you and me... and many others here.
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Wanna buy back all the ornaments and beads too ?
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Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
This sums it up to a tee. I assume its to stop stockpiling of the resources for it, though I've seen plenty of games which have events with plenty of resources that handle this sort of thing infinitely better, either by capping resources or by giving plenty to spend on, as with the other currencies, so that you couldn't earn enough across all characters in a single season anyway.
Not that there's any point in complaining about it, everything was said back in summer and Cryptic made it abundantly clear then that they don't care.
For one, there's no need for these to be one-year exclusive ships. Making it so that the older ships are never to be obtainable again by newer players restricts content for no legitimate reason other than the "because we can" excuse. Plus, "collectability"? HAH! These Breen ships all have a console set that provides bonuses. By making these ships one-year exclusives, if you happen to miss one ship for reasons like travelling or otherwise, one can never get the ship(s) again. Thus, one cannot "collect" them to complete the set because once the event is over, they're gone for good.
The same issue occurred with the Kobali Samsar, an event ship. The Samsar's console is needed for the 4-piece bonus with the Command Battlecruisers/Warbirds, all C-Store ships. Because the Samsar is no longer obtainable by any means, it is now impossible for anyone who missed the event to complete this set.
Really, all this does is create more restrictions for the newer/average player and discourages them from wanting to actually go out and participate in these events. For God's sake Cryptic, just make all Summer event ships available to earn every Summer event, all Winter event ships earnable during each Winter event, and the same with Anniversary events. It just makes the game a lot easier and more enjoyable for those players who happened to miss these events, for whatever reasons.
On the whole I do see the logic in your point (Though I should admit I have all event ships Summer, Winter, and Anniversary so perhaps that clouds my perspective), however I would point out one thing about this particular case. While I felt for newer players last summer, at least with the Risian ships, they had a finished console set. No new Risian ship was being offered where a newer player could only ever get a single part of it, instead we got a Ferengi ship. However, assuming the rumors are true and I'm pretty sure they are, we are getting at least one final Breen ship this year whose console will most likely be the fourth part of the Breen event ship set. To me and many others this is no big deal as we have all the ships, but for a new player who can get this new Breen ship but will never be able to finish the console set I can understand why that would be very frustrating. (Which is simmilar to those who cannot complete the command cruiser set beacuse they don't have the Samsar) Seeing as this new ship will also be retired at the end of this year (Per the new system) and the fact that it will probably be the last Breen ship (We've never had a five console set as far as I know and aside from a pure non-carrier sci ship I think we have a Breen ship of every variety with the inclusion this year's dread) I think it would have been nice of Cryptic to offer all Breen ships one last time so anyone, old or new, could complete the set. Then the Breen line would be retired in its entirety. Well, thats just my humble opinion anyway, I'm just grateful now that I decided to finish the raider last year along with the Sarr Theln.
There's your answer.
When, if ever, are we likely to see some sort of 'last chance' event to gain those event ships people have missed out on?
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Makes no sense.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
Just a wild guess.
Though that may collide with this new "maintain the exclusivity and collectability" motto.
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My guess is they'll end up in the lobi store, to get more players to play lockbox lottery.
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Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
Now to the point in hand - retiring a T6 ship already is ridiculous, again to say the least. And if they pull this with the Samsar they really ought to start putting the Console/Core, etc. type of stuff into the Dilitium Reclaim Store, so we don't end up with another Dyson Destroyer debacle (available in the Lobi Store, then account unlock).
As far as the 'making this ships more exclusive' horse hockey, they used similar language when removing the Reputation Marks Turn in projects from being eligible for Bonus Dilitium during any Dilitium Events to 'make those projects more valuable throughout the year'; essentially by making them all the same value of a lesser degree.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Keep in mind that they want 25 log-ins this year, not once to claim and see you in 6 months for Risa...
And then for those who stockpiled on multiple alts, they can repeat this each year for however many alts years...
This is why they're going "exclusive currency for each year"...
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That way the devs don't have to make 3-4 year old projects compatible with new currency and the players get access to the event ship admiralty cards which generally have pretty good stats.
I had originally hoped that by grinding twice as hard in one season, I could spend the next season doing holiday stuff. Now we are forced to choose between either time grinding on the computer or time with family/friends. Darn those pesky priorities.
One last thing: Those ridiculous space emotes - have not seen them used by players when they were offered in the summer. why? because they are even lamer than calling your ship the USS Hairypants. Developers: take the hint.
Of course it's not surprising. We were told back then by the executive producer they were going to do this going forward for all events http://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/comment/12515229/#Comment_12515229
I've been waiting for those ship emotes to go into the GPL store. Back then when they announced the retiring of Lohlunat pearls a dev said that was going to happen. Months later it was brought up on the forums and a dev said it was still coming.
However, I don't expect it to happen until some time after the anniversary event next year, since Qmendations are probably going to be retired and the emotes will be offered as a trade-in. The anniversary event is the last one to retire the currency used to get the special ship.
I don't think I have any characters with extra glossy photos of Q from the winter event, but I believe my 12 characters that existed during the last anniversary event all have at least 400 Qmendations. So my delta recruits will be the only ones that have to wait for the ship emotes to go into the GPL store.
FAIL!
What a rip!!! You should announced it before the event like you have but change it after the event!
I'm not a happy Captain right now. Speaking of Captain another rip, the Captains table, wasted space. .
That's my 2 cents for whatever it's worth.
It also says just below that they're removing them as well.
What if I don't finish a Winter Reputation project?
All in-progress Winter Reputation projects will be removed before the subsequent year arrives.
If they're allowing people to keep their progress then I think it should be stated that if someone doesn't complete the ship by the end of this event, they lose the project. it should be better clarified imo.
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