Can't say I'm surprised about this, since I've vented about this change during the summer event changeover I don't see any reason to complain now.
Carry on.
Edit: I'd just like to add that retiring the Sarr Theln (a T6 ship) does seem rather mean toward people who were counting on it being available this year. A more acceptable method of retiring these ships would be to leave them available for this year (after announcing they will be retired), then remove them after the event ends. This would let players have one last chance to get them, then they'd be gone forever. Still unpleasant, but would give players at least a chance to get one before its gone...
I've written all of this to explain how we've gotten to where we are today, a new currency for every ship every year.
I've been waiting for those ship emotes to go into the GPL store. Back then when they announced the retiring of Lohlunat pearls a dev said that was going to happen. Months later it was brought up on the forums and a dev said it was still coming.
However, I don't expect it to happen until some time after the anniversary event next year, since Qmendations are probably going to be retired and the emotes will be offered as a trade-in. The anniversary event is the last one to retire the currency used to get the special ship.
I don't think I have any characters with extra glossy photos of Q from the winter event, but I believe my 12 characters that existed during the last anniversary event all have at least 400 Qmendations. So my delta recruits will be the only ones that have to wait for the ship emotes to go into the GPL store.
I bought a life time subscription even before I played the game, bought $100's of dollars in zen, I spend up to 3 hours of game time everyday grinding to include events like Q's Winter event. Why you ask, to get ahead, to get the cool things you guys/gals put into the game. I don't complain to much about it but this. I love this game, even the grinding somewhat.....but this is like having worked 30 days and getting an IOU for 15 of them. Right before it time to pay up you tell me its useless, your going to pay be in a different way after I work another 15 days but hey, its Cool you say, your going to make it up by paying me pennies on the dollar. I feel this is wrong. we worked hard to get ahead, you even let us, you encourage us, now your taking it away. I feel like I just wasted my time and money when the suits do things like this to me, a life time player. I'm starting to think I should have played for free, I would get the nice items we got from the c-store but I have also gotten the ships you emailed to people who haven't played in some time or play for free.
What a rip!!! You should announced it before the event like you have but change it after the event!
I'm not a happy Captain right now. Speaking of Captain another rip, the Captains table, wasted space. .
As I said before I can understand wanting to retire certain rewards and I'm not surprised about this. I don't like that there was no advanced warning to this or the summer event until it was too late for anyone to do anything. Imo we should have been given this as the final year to get them through the event. if the issue as well was people stockpiling resources then this as others have said could have been easily fixed by making it require currency from that year's even. 2015 works for 2015, 2016 works for 2016 and so on. If it's purely about resource stockpiling this strikes me as using a sledgehammer to swat a fly. I do agree this is a bad way to go because of set bonuses. However if they're going to retire them from the event then I would like to see them at least hit the lobi store. In that instance folks can still get the ship, and cryptic makes cash at the same time. Personally I don't see the need for the ship to be exclusive to the point that people can't complete sets like with the Samsar. If the issue is exclusivity as well, then why not just do a sort of lesser version or let those of us who acquired through the event have a title or something. Also seems kind of let down that the t6 ship is already being retired and removed. Don't get me wrong I'm grateful it went account wide unlock but overall I think this seems a heavy handed approach to a simple problem.
That's my 2 cents for whatever it's worth.
What if I have a partial Winter Reputation project in progress?
Those of you that already have a winter ship project in progress from a previous year’s event WILL NOT lose any progress, and can simply finish that project either with your existing Autographs, or with the new currency when it arrives.
It also says just below that they're removing them as well.
What if I don't finish a Winter Reputation project?
All in-progress Winter Reputation projects will be removed before the subsequent year arrives.
If they're allowing people to keep their progress then I think it should be stated that if someone doesn't complete the ship by the end of this event, they lose the project. it should be better clarified imo.
"Someone once told me that time was a predator that stalked us all our lives. I rather believe that time is a companion who goes with us on the journey and reminds us to cherish every moment, because it will never come again." - Jean Luc Picard in Star Trek Generations
Cutting off people who have the ship slotted and nearly complete is the worst idea anyone could think of, considering the lack of warning.
How is telling us about a month in advance the old ships are being retired a "lack of warning"?
Also, don't cancel your partially completed projects for the old ships. The FAQ says:
What if I have a partial Winter Reputation project in progress?
Those of you that already have a winter ship project in progress from a previous year’s event WILL NOT lose any progress, and can simply finish that project either with your existing Autographs, or with the new currency when it arrives.
Cutting off people who have the ship slotted and nearly complete is the worst idea anyone could think of, considering the lack of warning.
How is telling us about a month in advance the old ships are being retired a "lack of warning"?
It's a lack of warning in the fact that it was given after it was already too late to do anything about it. Folks who were unable to complete the projects last year or even start them will no longer be able to do so. Had they stated that with this past event something along the lines of "be sure to get your projects this year because this is your last chance" then it would be understandable. Overall as I've said before I think this is a heavy handed thing for a simple fix.
"Someone once told me that time was a predator that stalked us all our lives. I rather believe that time is a companion who goes with us on the journey and reminds us to cherish every moment, because it will never come again." - Jean Luc Picard in Star Trek Generations
This is a really rotten decision to expand this policy. It hurts both old players and new players (albeit for different reasons)
Old players who 'hoarded' the autographs? This actively punishes them for having participated in the winter/summer/whatever event for longer than the minimum necessary to receive the ship.
New players? They can't get these old ships no matter what-and keeps them from completing various set bonuses that the ships have through their consoles.
I don't like the idea of this whole 'exclusivity' thing either. I think that if a player is willing to grind twice as hard to get last years ship and this year's ship, then they should-reward them for their devotion!
If Cryptic was convinced that 'hoarding' was a problem, alright-but keeping players from getting the previous years ships seems like something that should have been announced during the winter event, and implemented in the NEXT winter event (ditto for the summer event) so that players at least had fair warning and had a last chance to 'catch up' on the ships. This just seems needlessly....nasty.
it made me think that i am right, they are not humans, they are from Planet Grinchia, these pointy head furry little goblins who dognapped poor captian archer's beagle, Porthos, being forced to wear fake anthers.
so we have to beg Q to rescue Porthos and send him back where it belong, it got too much Butterfly Paradoxes.
anyway, that list doesnt appeal to me to give up Q signature pics, i would like to get unique universal console instead or few more lobi crystals.
Hoarding is not my issue and it shouldnot be Cryptic's issue.
But yeah, a very late decision that should have been announced last year but now, it's a TRIBBLE-move.
Cutting off people who have the ship slotted and nearly complete is the worst idea anyone could think of, considering the lack of warning.
How is telling us about a month in advance the old ships are being retired a "lack of warning"?
It's a lack of warning in the fact that it was given after it was already too late to do anything about it. Folks who were unable to complete the projects last year or even start them will no longer be able to do so. Had they stated that with this past event something along the lines of "be sure to get your projects this year because this is your last chance" then it would be understandable. Overall as I've said before I think this is a heavy handed thing for a simple fix.
Ahem. Did I miss something?
The post seemingly "clearly states" that those who have an outstanding project will be able to complete it this winter, with either leftover Q-pictures or the "2015 currency".
The only ones being "hung out to dry" are those who have not even slotted the previous event ships. Because of their "Retirement", the ability to slot the project will not exist on day one of this winter's event...
Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...
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I want to say that there is some degree of hypocrisy in this decision.
"Exclusivity" doesn't seem to be an issue these days (Leech, anyone?).
Nay.
So why start now?
I say let previous WE ships be available for acquisition so that NEW and FUTURE players can enjoy them, too.
Miss a ship?
Have the option to get it.
Don't punish the players for a non-issue that you, yourselves, ignore.
EDIT: Don't nerf the Epohh trade-in rewards for Marks.
I'd like to believe you're better than that, Cryptic.
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Cutting off people who have the ship slotted and nearly complete is the worst idea anyone could think of, considering the lack of warning.
How is telling us about a month in advance the old ships are being retired a "lack of warning"?
It's a lack of warning in the fact that it was given after it was already too late to do anything about it. Folks who were unable to complete the projects last year or even start them will no longer be able to do so. Had they stated that with this past event something along the lines of "be sure to get your projects this year because this is your last chance" then it would be understandable. Overall as I've said before I think this is a heavy handed thing for a simple fix.
Ahem. Did I miss something?
The post seemingly "clearly states" that those who have an outstanding project will be able to complete it this winter, with either leftover Q-pictures or the "2015 currency".
The only ones being "hung out to dry" are those who have not even slotted the previous event ships. Because of their "Retirement", the ability to slot the project will not exist on day one of this winter's event...
That's not what what I was asking. The thing I was asking is this, what if someone is for whatever reason, still unable to complete the project this year even if it's by 1 currency item. Are they then going to lose that project. if not then what does that mean?
"Someone once told me that time was a predator that stalked us all our lives. I rather believe that time is a companion who goes with us on the journey and reminds us to cherish every moment, because it will never come again." - Jean Luc Picard in Star Trek Generations
Was kindof expecting this since the same change was made for the summer event, I've got plenty of glossy photo's saved up, can't wait to spend them, (drool, drooooool)
This is a really rotten decision to expand this policy. It hurts both old players and new players (albeit for different reasons)
Old players who 'hoarded' the autographs? This actively punishes them for having participated in the winter/summer/whatever event for longer than the minimum necessary to receive the ship.
New players? They can't get these old ships no matter what-and keeps them from completing various set bonuses that the ships have through their consoles.
I don't like the idea of this whole 'exclusivity' thing either. I think that if a player is willing to grind twice as hard to get last years ship and this year's ship, then they should-reward them for their devotion!
If Cryptic was convinced that 'hoarding' was a problem, alright-but keeping players from getting the previous years ships seems like something that should have been announced during the winter event, and implemented in the NEXT winter event (ditto for the summer event) so that players at least had fair warning and had a last chance to 'catch up' on the ships. This just seems needlessly....nasty.
Sticking consoles and things such as that on ships that can no longer be obtained is absolutely a bad deal. it takes away incentive to even buy those items as the full set cannot be completed. I can understand having certain achievements or something simple like that which can be exclusive. that much I wouldn't mind because it's just an achievement.
I get why they may want to retire certain rewards and what not such as some of the ships out there. ships like the ambassador or old school odyssey I can see. Personally I actually have the Samsar and I don't want it to be an exclusive ship at the cost of preventing others from completing the 4 set.
I agree on the hoarding deal. I can get it if that's the thing and they want people to use that year's currency. The whole deal seems like trying to swat a fly with a sledgehammer. This is one thing that I just cannot support that they're doing.
"Someone once told me that time was a predator that stalked us all our lives. I rather believe that time is a companion who goes with us on the journey and reminds us to cherish every moment, because it will never come again." - Jean Luc Picard in Star Trek Generations
Is there a Ruining Christmas Department at Cryptic Studios?
Last year's winter event is the only one I've missed. Now this post is telling me any work to complete the Breen set over the past few years is forfeit because I was busy last Christmas, but cheer up, because photos now count as latinum.
No, just...no. If you're going to have one last year of something being available, which is available every year, it should be available the last year you inform people. Besides which, why? Nobody with an old T5U Breen ship cares if somebody else unlocks it years after they're bored with it. Nobody just joining the game deserves to get fewer gifts for Christmas.
Reading this was like a punch in the gut, honestly.
Frankly, it's bad enough having to grind through these stupid, poorly designed and unbelievably boring events, but retiring items/ships that people actually want is just a ridiculously stupid thing. TRIBBLE being exclusive, give the people what they want and FFS, stop punishing people for being the eager beaver for next year's event.
Time to tell the soulless monsters at PWE to stop ruining the game.
Frankly, it's bad enough having to grind through these stupid, poorly designed and unbelievably boring events, but retiring items/ships that people actually want is just a ridiculously stupid thing. TRIBBLE being exclusive, give the people what they want and FFS, stop punishing people for being the eager beaver for next year's event.
Time to tell the soulless monsters at PWE to stop ruining the game.
Why aren't you letting us choose which of the Breen ship we may get on Christmas? Its unfair for those who're waiting all year to get some ship and hear that you wont give it anymore. It's not how Christmas works STO
We want to maintain the exclusivity and collectability of the event ships from the Winter Event each year
The best response to this I can think of is my friend's reaction. He loves Star Trek, played for a while until he got tired of this game, then wanted to see about coming back with the new additions and Winter Event coming. When he saw this, his reaction was, "I guess they don't want me to come back."
"Collectability" and "exclusivity" of digital goods don't exist, and locking both new and potentially returning players out of things they might want is...ill-advised.
Edit: I hate this idea even as I type it for several reasons, but what about adding legacy event ships as an account unlock for gold and up subscribers? Add a 6 month lag or so (this Christmas ship would be available around the next summer event) before a ship officially becomes "legacy" so that people don't just skip straight to getting the latest one.
This would at least make ships available to players who miss it, but also benefit players who play for it by 1) not forcing them to pay and 2) letting them get the ship benefits a lot sooner.
I just came here to read all the "boohoo the 960 photos I saved up last year so I could have this year's ship on day one was done for nothing!" comments I knew this announcement would bring. I'm not disappointed.
I just came here to read all the "boohoo the 960 photos I saved up last year so I could have this year's ship on day one was done for nothing!" comments I knew this announcement would bring. I'm not disappointed.
Yep. Most of the peeps whining here will be doing the same next year, and after(if the game still exists). There is always something to complain about. Bring on the Winter Event, let the whining stop!
I was gonna post a long rant. But know barely anyone is gonna read it. So gonna try and keep it short.
We want to maintain the exclusivity and collectability of the event ships from the Winter Event each year,
maintain the exclusivity and collectability
Please stop using these words together.
Exclusivity = Limited number/limited chance of getting Collectability = Capable of being collected
These two words don't belong together. I know someone can proberly start talking about collectable cards like... pokemon? and how there are rare cards that was only a limited number of.
Yeah, those rare cards aren't collectable then, they are just something for the lucky few. Its the other normal cards are the collectables as long as they are in production. And once production on those stops, they are only gonna get more rare and exclusive aswell.
But seriously, stop removing content and rewards.
I already got the ships, I know I won't loose them. So not loosing any rewards myself.
But new players don't have the chance of getting them, they have less overall content available than me.
I enjoy playing this game. I've been playing since closed beta and I've been a lifetimer since the game went live. I've not missed a single event.
But I hate having to tell new people how they can't get the same awesome things I got, since the things that rewarded them doesn't return.
Warrior Goatee(the best looking goatee in the game)? sorry, you can't have.
A Klingon sash on federation side? Sorry, your Fed klingon will have to go without.
Featured Episode Replay rewards? No idea why the replay stopped.
Other random reward that you can't get? Sorry, I know it sucks.
So, do you want to add Collectability? Don't remove the option to get the items.
If its a once a year event, its still collectable. But removing the option to get them entirely, isn't collectable, then its just exclusive.
(inB4 the "Mine! Mine! Mine! I want exclhurrrrderpsive things no one else can get! They should just have joined earlyer" groups.)
Well, guess my post did end up a bit long... /rant end
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Of course it's not surprising. We were told back then by the executive producer they were going to do this going forward for all events http://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/comment/12515229/#Comment_12515229
I've been waiting for those ship emotes to go into the GPL store. Back then when they announced the retiring of Lohlunat pearls a dev said that was going to happen. Months later it was brought up on the forums and a dev said it was still coming.
However, I don't expect it to happen until some time after the anniversary event next year, since Qmendations are probably going to be retired and the emotes will be offered as a trade-in. The anniversary event is the last one to retire the currency used to get the special ship.
I don't think I have any characters with extra glossy photos of Q from the winter event, but I believe my 12 characters that existed during the last anniversary event all have at least 400 Qmendations. So my delta recruits will be the only ones that have to wait for the ship emotes to go into the GPL store.
FAIL!
What a rip!!! You should announced it before the event like you have but change it after the event!
I'm not a happy Captain right now. Speaking of Captain another rip, the Captains table, wasted space. .
That's my 2 cents for whatever it's worth.
It also says just below that they're removing them as well.
What if I don't finish a Winter Reputation project?
All in-progress Winter Reputation projects will be removed before the subsequent year arrives.
If they're allowing people to keep their progress then I think it should be stated that if someone doesn't complete the ship by the end of this event, they lose the project. it should be better clarified imo.
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How is telling us about a month in advance the old ships are being retired a "lack of warning"?
Also, don't cancel your partially completed projects for the old ships. The FAQ says:
It's a lack of warning in the fact that it was given after it was already too late to do anything about it. Folks who were unable to complete the projects last year or even start them will no longer be able to do so. Had they stated that with this past event something along the lines of "be sure to get your projects this year because this is your last chance" then it would be understandable. Overall as I've said before I think this is a heavy handed thing for a simple fix.
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Old players who 'hoarded' the autographs? This actively punishes them for having participated in the winter/summer/whatever event for longer than the minimum necessary to receive the ship.
New players? They can't get these old ships no matter what-and keeps them from completing various set bonuses that the ships have through their consoles.
I don't like the idea of this whole 'exclusivity' thing either. I think that if a player is willing to grind twice as hard to get last years ship and this year's ship, then they should-reward them for their devotion!
If Cryptic was convinced that 'hoarding' was a problem, alright-but keeping players from getting the previous years ships seems like something that should have been announced during the winter event, and implemented in the NEXT winter event (ditto for the summer event) so that players at least had fair warning and had a last chance to 'catch up' on the ships. This just seems needlessly....nasty.
so we have to beg Q to rescue Porthos and send him back where it belong, it got too much Butterfly Paradoxes.
anyway, that list doesnt appeal to me to give up Q signature pics, i would like to get unique universal console instead or few more lobi crystals.
"It's easy to cling to principles when you're standing on a vessel with its bulkheads intact, manned by a crew that's not starving."
But yeah, a very late decision that should have been announced last year but now, it's a TRIBBLE-move.
Ahem. Did I miss something?
The post seemingly "clearly states" that those who have an outstanding project will be able to complete it this winter, with either leftover Q-pictures or the "2015 currency".
The only ones being "hung out to dry" are those who have not even slotted the previous event ships. Because of their "Retirement", the ability to slot the project will not exist on day one of this winter's event...
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"Exclusivity" doesn't seem to be an issue these days (Leech, anyone?).
Nay.
So why start now?
I say let previous WE ships be available for acquisition so that NEW and FUTURE players can enjoy them, too.
Miss a ship?
Have the option to get it.
Don't punish the players for a non-issue that you, yourselves, ignore.
EDIT: Don't nerf the Epohh trade-in rewards for Marks.
I'd like to believe you're better than that, Cryptic.
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That's not what what I was asking. The thing I was asking is this, what if someone is for whatever reason, still unable to complete the project this year even if it's by 1 currency item. Are they then going to lose that project. if not then what does that mean?
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Sticking consoles and things such as that on ships that can no longer be obtained is absolutely a bad deal. it takes away incentive to even buy those items as the full set cannot be completed. I can understand having certain achievements or something simple like that which can be exclusive. that much I wouldn't mind because it's just an achievement.
I get why they may want to retire certain rewards and what not such as some of the ships out there. ships like the ambassador or old school odyssey I can see. Personally I actually have the Samsar and I don't want it to be an exclusive ship at the cost of preventing others from completing the 4 set.
I agree on the hoarding deal. I can get it if that's the thing and they want people to use that year's currency. The whole deal seems like trying to swat a fly with a sledgehammer. This is one thing that I just cannot support that they're doing.
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Last year's winter event is the only one I've missed. Now this post is telling me any work to complete the Breen set over the past few years is forfeit because I was busy last Christmas, but cheer up, because photos now count as latinum.
No, just...no. If you're going to have one last year of something being available, which is available every year, it should be available the last year you inform people. Besides which, why? Nobody with an old T5U Breen ship cares if somebody else unlocks it years after they're bored with it. Nobody just joining the game deserves to get fewer gifts for Christmas.
Reading this was like a punch in the gut, honestly.
Time to tell the soulless monsters at PWE to stop ruining the game.
It's no wonder STO is in such sad shape.
The best response to this I can think of is my friend's reaction. He loves Star Trek, played for a while until he got tired of this game, then wanted to see about coming back with the new additions and Winter Event coming. When he saw this, his reaction was, "I guess they don't want me to come back."
"Collectability" and "exclusivity" of digital goods don't exist, and locking both new and potentially returning players out of things they might want is...ill-advised.
Edit: I hate this idea even as I type it for several reasons, but what about adding legacy event ships as an account unlock for gold and up subscribers? Add a 6 month lag or so (this Christmas ship would be available around the next summer event) before a ship officially becomes "legacy" so that people don't just skip straight to getting the latest one.
This would at least make ships available to players who miss it, but also benefit players who play for it by 1) not forcing them to pay and 2) letting them get the ship benefits a lot sooner.
Yep. Most of the peeps whining here will be doing the same next year, and after(if the game still exists). There is always something to complain about. Bring on the Winter Event, let the whining stop!
Exclusivity = Limited number/limited chance of getting
Collectability = Capable of being collected
These two words don't belong together. I know someone can proberly start talking about collectable cards like... pokemon? and how there are rare cards that was only a limited number of.
Yeah, those rare cards aren't collectable then, they are just something for the lucky few. Its the other normal cards are the collectables as long as they are in production. And once production on those stops, they are only gonna get more rare and exclusive aswell.
But seriously, stop removing content and rewards.
I already got the ships, I know I won't loose them. So not loosing any rewards myself.
But new players don't have the chance of getting them, they have less overall content available than me.
I enjoy playing this game. I've been playing since closed beta and I've been a lifetimer since the game went live. I've not missed a single event.
But I hate having to tell new people how they can't get the same awesome things I got, since the things that rewarded them doesn't return.
Warrior Goatee(the best looking goatee in the game)? sorry, you can't have.
A Klingon sash on federation side? Sorry, your Fed klingon will have to go without.
Featured Episode Replay rewards? No idea why the replay stopped.
Other random reward that you can't get? Sorry, I know it sucks.
So, do you want to add Collectability? Don't remove the option to get the items.
If its a once a year event, its still collectable. But removing the option to get them entirely, isn't collectable, then its just exclusive.
(inB4 the "Mine! Mine! Mine! I want exclhurrrrderpsive things no one else can get! They should just have joined earlyer" groups.)
Well, guess my post did end up a bit long... /rant end
Spock to Kirk, as Kirk is about to hug him.
Star Trek V: "The Final Frontier"