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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    artan42 wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    Okay. Does anybody know what the hell just happened?

    The best Episode written by Mark Gatiss yet, so atmospheric and extremely dark.
    Also, I don't know whether I missed it, but there wasn't an opening credits sequence was there?

    Yes but what the hell was it? What was going on? What was the plot? What were the villains motives? What was wrong with the guns? Why were the uniforms so awesome? What's with the Geordies?

    Here's something that may BLOW YOUR MIND out of the water (if it hasn't been already), synopsis of the final 3 episodes. Needless to say.....SPOILER ALERT
    http://www.doctorwhonews.net/2015/11/forthcoming-131115101508.html

    I am really looking forward to these. I may even forget about this episode.

    @angrytarg I'm sure you've got some nice things to say about this whenever it gets to Germany.​​
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

    #TASforSTO


    '...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
    'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
    '...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek

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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,009 Arc User
    @artan42 What little I got from all of you makes me curious, although I did not follow the last link, of course pig-2.gif

    Usually I'm able to watch them 24 hours later because the BBC is a TRIBBLE about it pig-37.gif Just returned from a trip over the week end and my wife might be too tired to watch it now, so I'll probably add my thoughts tommorow night or tuesday, carefully avoiding spoilers on the way.​​
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    angrytarg wrote: »
    @artan42 What little I got from all of you makes me curious, although I did not follow the last link, of course pig-2.gif

    Usually I'm able to watch them 24 hours later because the BBC is a TRIBBLE about it pig-37.gif Just returned from a trip over the week end and my wife might be too tired to watch it now, so I'll probably add my thoughts tommorow night or tuesday, carefully avoiding spoilers on the way.

    What channel is it broadcast on in Germany?​​
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

    #TASforSTO


    '...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
    'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
    '...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek

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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,009 Arc User
    artan42 wrote: »
    What channel is it broadcast on in Germany?

    None, unfortunately. BBC Germany only released series 7 recently. I have to use some gizmo to watch the stream and that's only available in tolerable speed some time later. That's usually what happens with all those "not available in your country" content on the internet.​​
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    angrytarg wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    What channel is it broadcast on in Germany?

    None, unfortunately. BBC Germany only released series 7 recently. I have to use some gizmo to watch the stream and that's only available in tolerable speed some time later. That's usually what happens with all those "not available in your country" content on the internet.

    It's only up to Series 7! I suggest you move to a civilised country forthwith :p.​​
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

    #TASforSTO


    '...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
    'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
    '...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek

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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,009 Arc User
    artan42 wrote: »
    It's only up to Series 7! I suggest you move to a civilised country forthwith :p.

    Good plan. Do I get BBC content in Iceland? pig-2.gif​​
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    edited November 2015
    angrytarg wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    It's only up to Series 7! I suggest you move to a civilised country forthwith :p.

    Good plan. Do I get BBC content in Iceland? pig-2.gif

    Ísland er of kalt til að styðja siðfágaða lífi.


    (You would't believe how long it took me to remember the ð code on my keyboard :D.​).​​
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

    #TASforSTO


    '...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
    'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
    '...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek

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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,009 Arc User
    artan42 wrote: »
    Ísland er of kalt til að styðja siðfágaða lífi.


    (You would't believe how long it took me to remember the ð code on my keyboard :D.​).

    pig-2.gif

    Iceland grows natural whirlpools. If that's not the epitome of civilization (next to a nice wallow, maybe) I don't know what rock you're living under pig-3.gif​​
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    Well, that seems to have left it a bit... implied... that something will happen to Clara. DAMNED good writing there even if the story didn't quite make sense
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    angrytarg wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    Ísland er of kalt til að styðja siðfágaða lífi.


    (You would't believe how long it took me to remember the ð code on my keyboard :D.​).

    pig-2.gif

    Iceland grows natural whirlpools. If that's not the epitome of civilization (next to a nice wallow, maybe) I don't know what rock you're living under pig-3.gif

    Eww, water :( .


    ...


    Maybe I'm living in the wrong area :blush::( .​​
    22762792376_ac7c992b7c_o.png
    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

    #TASforSTO


    '...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
    'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
    '...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek

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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,009 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    @artan42 :Water is love, water is life. Water means mud. And mud is love, mud is life pig-2.gif

    I finally watched it and found out the episode got a lot of flak. Honestly, I cannot understand why. It was a great episode, reminding me even a little bit of 60's Dr. Who. I don't understand why some people voiced confusion about the plot - it is obviously a build-up. If the "sandmen" arc is never picked up again I agree, it's a bit weird and out of place and ended very abruptly (apruptly?) but other than that it was kinda clever. The different style of filming and showing us added a lot of alien feeling to it, the horror was classic and the mosnters even sounded like classic monsters/zombies (in original RE or "They Hunger HL") sounded. The uniforms, I agree wirth artan, look awesome. They remind me a lot of Warhammer 40k Imperial Guard and the whole way the episode played I could even picture the sets and costumes to be part of a 40k show/movie pig-2.gif

    Now, yes, I am looking for a follow-up here, obviously. Clara is now infected with whatever turns people to sand monsters (maybe they need a temporal dagger to fight them? pig-2.gif) and I'd like a follow-up on the world we were intorduced to and the morpheus devices. But all in all I enjoyed it very much.

    It'sfunny, back in the days I enjoyed a moffat episode. Now I enjoy episodes not written by moffat.​​
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    Ye gods, that was a bloody great episode. I'll expand on that more tomorrow.​​
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

    #TASforSTO


    '...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
    'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
    '...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek

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  • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 6,016 Arc User
    Ok, was not expecting that, one of the best episodes this season
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    • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,165 Arc User
      Just popping out to the lower the Raven population. Anyone got anything they want me to pick up?
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    • maxvitormaxvitor Member Posts: 2,213 Arc User
      edited November 2015
      Ravens hell, my target would be the
      meddling immortal pixie
      that should have never been revived.
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    • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,009 Arc User
      edited November 2015
      It was a very strong episode.
      And I really didn't think Clara would die, I rooted all the time for the stasis pod. "Just put her in there until you can fix it" pig-2.gif I knew Jenna Coleman wanted to leave the show, so Clara must be out of the picture - but I kinda hoped she could remain in stasis until maybe one day she decides to come back.

      Very emotional, strong and brilliant episode. We'll see about the "perma-death" of clara, though. The series final are Moffat episodes, after all... pig-2.gif
      ​​
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      ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
      "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
      "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
      "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
    • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
      damned fine episode.

      Curious to see what trick the Doctor has to escape eventually.
    • maxvitormaxvitor Member Posts: 2,213 Arc User
      It was a well written and executed episode, but it left me with mixed feelings.
      Jenna Coleman was supposed to be out of the show by the end of season 8, then the Christmas Special, she had to be talked into another season. That said, I too am dubious of Clara's "perma-death", this is the "Impossible Girl" who stepped into the Doctor's time stream, spreading herself all over the Doctor's past and possibly his future, so we may not have seen the last of her.
      It's supposedly the first time in 30 years that they've killed off a companion on screen, but her death really didn't feel that profound to me for some reason, it was a kind of "kay I'm gonna go die now, see ya later" vibe that just felt weird, it was the Doctor's reactions before and after that gave it real impact.
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    • grylakgrylak Member Posts: 1,594 Arc User
      She didn't have to be talked into anything. Originally, she was going to leave at the end of series 8, this is quite clear by the ending of the christmas episode, and would have been a perfect end for Clara, having her live her long life and going peacefully of old age. But she changed her mind herself and wanted to come back for another season. So they changed the ending of the Christmas ep. Then partway through this one, she decided to leave afterall to go play the Queen in another show.
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    • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
      I do have to point out, how can the TARDIS, a very powerful being, not be able to find the doctor?
    • maxvitormaxvitor Member Posts: 2,213 Arc User
      I do have to point out, how can the TARDIS, a very powerful being, not be able to find the doctor?
      Well it is a cliff hanger, the story isn't finished yet
      We know that the TARDIS is sentient but do we know how much freedom it has to act on it's own initiative? The pixie took the Doctor's key with her contraption, but we don't know if that was the only one he had on him and he may have allowed himself to be sent off to wherever just see where she was sending him, he is the Doctor after all.
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    • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
      In the doctor's wife... I think that was the name. We do have a conversation with the ship. It always sends him where he needs to go. Plus she told him pretty much flat out she's the boss
    • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,009 Arc User
      In regards to clara -
      she's still infected with sandman-stuff, isn't she?
      ​​
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      ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
      "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
      "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
      "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
    • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
      I'm still having a hard time summing up my thoughts. I'll probably wait for a fortnight, it was a three parter after all.

      Also, reading the comments on the Doctor Who reddit, it seems the focus of this episode was Clara's jumper.​​
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      Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
      JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

      #TASforSTO


      '...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
      'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
      'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
      '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
      'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
      '...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek

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    • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,165 Arc User
      Heh ... maybe she'll regenerate? :lol:
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    • grylakgrylak Member Posts: 1,594 Arc User
      artan42 wrote: »
      Also, reading the comments on the Doctor Who reddit, it seems the focus of this episode was Clara's jumper.​​

      I was trying to be classier, but yeah, there did seem something 'more' going on in this episode for some reason.
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    • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
      Oh I guess I wasn't the only one who noticed it was perkier.
    • amosov78amosov78 Member Posts: 1,495 Arc User
      Looks like the Doctor takes a beating next episode.
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    • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
      amosov78 wrote: »
      Looks like the Doctor takes a beating next episode.


      that's a bit gruesome even for Dr Who
    • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
      I'm not entirely sure I can think of the words I need to describe this episode.

      Unbelievably good. Really fantastic use of the confession dial and recursive time loops. Next week cannot come soon enough. I genuinely got the chills watching this, something that didn't even happen in 'Blink'.​​
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      Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
      JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

      #TASforSTO


      '...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
      'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
      'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
      '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
      'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
      '...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek

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