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*Spoilers* Tuterians

picard51picard51 Member Posts: 56 Arc User
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Has anyone else noticed how much they look like the sphere builders in Enterprise? It's spooky. Could the species we've seen before that they're detailing in New Dawn be the Tuterians/sphere builders?
Is the guy who lost his wife going to TRIBBLE with time to tell them that they need to speed up their Solanae research so that they can survive the Borg? And correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the spheres reshaping space so that these beings who existed in another dimension could inhabit the expanse? Now, that guy, whose name escapes me, is seriously hostile toward "The Voyagers"? Let's say he goes back and tries to speed up that Solanae research. What if they TRIBBLE it up like the Solanae did and end up needing to exist outside of normal space. If he's hostile toward "The Voyagers" wouldn't the place he'd want to reshape for the Tuterians naturally be placed in our space as some sort of revenge? What if Butterfly is actually just us following through on a predestination paradox so that time works the way it's supposed to?
I sense a temporal cold war storyline in the works!
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,582 Community Moderator
    Krenim temporal tech does not allow for travel through time. They would require something more along the lines of a Wells class or a slingshot maneuver.
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  • picard51picard51 Member Posts: 56 Arc User
    I think if this guy finds out he was married and happy that he'll repurpose his knowledge of temporal mechanics and find a way.
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  • lizweilizwei Member Posts: 936 Arc User
    The problem with the Tuterians being the Sphere Builders is the way Krenim incursion technology works.
    It's not that they existed up to a point and were then changed after we met them, it's that somehow the Tuterians were never in the position they were in when we met Clauda and instead became the Sphere Builders ( if this idea is true).

    That means that the timeline in which me met Clauda, the timeline we've been playing in up to now, COULD NOT HAVE Sphere Builders, and we know they do because of references made in game.
    It's hard to explain, but it's a complete failure of understanding cause and effect on the most fundamental level.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,582 Community Moderator
    somtaawkhar wrote: »
    Whats going to happen is that the Tuterians' research into Solane tech trapped them in their trans-dimensional realm we see them living in in Enterprise. This realm gives them the ability to see through various time-streams, and from that, they learn the Federation was behind their situation in the first place, via their use of the Krenim weapon. after finding this out, the Tuterians, now Sphere Builders, use their trans-dimensional to attack the Federation in the past, as seen in Enterprise.

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    I'll leave this here as it is a good theory.
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    Yang Xiao Long wrote:
    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    picard51 wrote: »
    I think if this guy finds out he was married and happy that he'll repurpose his knowledge of temporal mechanics and find a way.
    What if it's actually exactly the opposite.

    Annorex was obsessed with losing his wive. But - he still remembered her.

    This Krenim (who's also a bit of a richard) doesn't remember his wife. But if his wife somehow survived thanks to the Solanae experiment - maybe she is trying to get back to him. And when she meets him and he doesn't recognize her, and also shows no sign that he could fall in love her, she is so emotionally devestated that she convinces the rest of her species to engage the Temporal Cold War?

    This would kinda be a much more tragic story ...
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  • picard51picard51 Member Posts: 56 Arc User
    somtaawkhar wrote: »
    lizwei wrote: »
    That means that the timeline in which me met Clauda, the timeline we've been playing in up to now, COULD NOT HAVE Sphere Builders, and we know they do because of references made in game.
    It's hard to explain, but it's a complete failure of understanding cause and effect on the most fundamental level.
    Yes it could. the sphere builders were trans-dimensional beings who existed in countless timelines. there were not bound to linear time as we understand it.

    The realm they lived in allows them to be even before they were created.

    Exactly, so if there was an accident that sent some into a transdimensional realm in the pre-incursion timeline it would explain why there are so few sphere builders in Enterprise as well as how they could rear their ugly heads again. The way they'd see it is that if they can eliminate humanity it'd be just deserts. Sins of the father and all that.
  • lizweilizwei Member Posts: 936 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    rattler2 wrote: »
    somtaawkhar wrote: »
    Whats going to happen is that the Tuterians' research into Solane tech trapped them in their trans-dimensional realm we see them living in in Enterprise. This realm gives them the ability to see through various time-streams, and from that, they learn the Federation was behind their situation in the first place, via their use of the Krenim weapon. after finding this out, the Tuterians, now Sphere Builders, use their trans-dimensional to attack the Federation in the past, as seen in Enterprise.

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    I'll leave this here as it is a good theory.

    Why would they attack the Federation of another timeline and not their own?
    The Sphere Builders could see potentials, not literally intervene in other timelines. If they could then their reach would be infinite as would their potential for success.

    To say nothing of the fact that the Krenim weapon ERASES timelines. They're not changed, they're not split. They're gone. Dumped into the ether.
    Therefore there is no way that the Sphere Builders could access a timeline that from their relative position in time doesn't exist anymore.
    You can't even timey wimey ball out of this one, it is simply impossible.
  • therealmaddmatttherealmaddmatt Member Posts: 120 Arc User
    One thing to bear in mind is that in the revised timeline, Noye never met Clauda, so he won't have that sense of loss to motivate revenge.

    Of which would be a cool aspect for the story to explore: characters coming to terms with the loss of friends that never existed. But this is STO, so...
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  • anazondaanazonda Member Posts: 8,399 Arc User
    Plottwist: Shes just a random character, cryptic created in a failed attempt to make us feel attached to her, so that we'd feel bad about letting Nog erase her.

    Does anyone feel sorry for not having erased her since she never existed?
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,582 Community Moderator
    somtaawkhar wrote: »
    lizwei wrote: »
    Why would they attack the Federation of another timeline and not their own?
    The Sphere Builders could see potentials, not literally intervene in other timelines. If they could then their reach would be infinite as would their potential for success
    Because it was their own. they were trying to prevent the Federation from ever existing as to prevent them from being able to use the Krenim weapon to cause the temporal incursion that trapped them in their realm to begin with.

    Temporal mechanics at work here. Enough to give anyone a headache. Just like the events of First Contact led up to the events of Regeneration, which paved the way for the events of Best of Both Worlds, when led to... First Contact.
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    Yang Xiao Long wrote:
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    therealmaddmatt wrote: »
    One thing to bear in mind is that in the revised timeline, Noye never met Clauda, so he won't have that sense of loss to motivate revenge.

    Of which would be a cool aspect for the story to explore: characters coming to terms with the loss of friends that never existed. But this is STO, so...
    Kinda as an allegory to, say Alzheimer patients that in some moments realize that the person they talked to was a friend or family member they should have known, but ... didn't.
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  • lizweilizwei Member Posts: 936 Arc User
    somtaawkhar wrote: »
    lizwei wrote: »
    Why would they attack the Federation of another timeline and not their own?
    The Sphere Builders could see potentials, not literally intervene in other timelines. If they could then their reach would be infinite as would their potential for success
    Because it was their own. they were trying to prevent the Federation from ever existing as to prevent them from being able to use the Krenim weapon to cause the temporal incursion that trapped them in their realm to begin with.

    Which is not their goal. If it was, then they wouldn't have built the spheres.
    Duping the Xindi into nuking Earth would've been enough.f

    Secondly, again. That's irrelevant. The Federation of their timeline is the one that would affect them.

    Thirdly, as I said. That timeline is gone. Poof. Dead. If you went back in time from the post weapon timeline then you'd end up in that same timeline, the other no longer exists.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    somtaawkhar wrote: »
    lizwei wrote: »
    Why would they attack the Federation of another timeline and not their own?
    The Sphere Builders could see potentials, not literally intervene in other timelines. If they could then their reach would be infinite as would their potential for success
    Because it was their own. they were trying to prevent the Federation from ever existing as to prevent them from being able to use the Krenim weapon to cause the temporal incursion that trapped them in their realm to begin with.
    Yeah, it's a predestination paradox of a sort, but that's what you get for mucking with time. :p Also... no one in Ent said what era the Sphere builders lived in, merely what era they created the Expanse.
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  • picard51picard51 Member Posts: 56 Arc User
    lizwei wrote: »
    somtaawkhar wrote: »
    lizwei wrote: »
    Why would they attack the Federation of another timeline and not their own?
    The Sphere Builders could see potentials, not literally intervene in other timelines. If they could then their reach would be infinite as would their potential for success
    Because it was their own. they were trying to prevent the Federation from ever existing as to prevent them from being able to use the Krenim weapon to cause the temporal incursion that trapped them in their realm to begin with.

    Which is not their goal. If it was, then they wouldn't have built the spheres.
    Duping the Xindi into nuking Earth would've been enough.f

    Secondly, again. That's irrelevant. The Federation of their timeline is the one that would affect them.

    Thirdly, as I said. That timeline is gone. Poof. Dead. If you went back in time from the post weapon timeline then you'd end up in that same timeline, the other no longer exists.
    My issue though is that if the weapon is never built, how can it fire? If it can't fire how can they be destroyed? wouldn't that restore their existence?
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  • lizweilizwei Member Posts: 936 Arc User
    markhawkman wrote: »
    somtaawkhar wrote: »
    lizwei wrote: »
    Why would they attack the Federation of another timeline and not their own?
    The Sphere Builders could see potentials, not literally intervene in other timelines. If they could then their reach would be infinite as would their potential for success
    Because it was their own. they were trying to prevent the Federation from ever existing as to prevent them from being able to use the Krenim weapon to cause the temporal incursion that trapped them in their realm to begin with.
    Yeah, it's a predestination paradox of a sort, but that's what you get for mucking with time. :p Also... no one in Ent said what era the Sphere builders lived in, merely what era they created the Expanse.

    No it isn't.
    It's like saying that you used a time machine to make a previously innocent Lee Harvey Oswald assassinate JFK, while already having lived in a timeline where JFK was killed by Lee Harvey Oswald.
    That is cheating and lazy writing of the lowest order.
  • picard51picard51 Member Posts: 56 Arc User
    somtaawkhar wrote: »
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Temporal mechanics at work here.
    Yup.

    In Butterfly, we start off in the prime timeline. By using the Krenim weapon, we create an alternate time in which the Borg have assimilated Romulus. By using the Krenim weapon again, we create yet another timeline, similar to the original one, except in this one the Tuterians failure to use Solanae tech correctly traps them in their trans-dimensional realm we see in Enterprise.

    HOWEVER, this altered timeline is actually STILL THE ORIGINAL TIMELINE, because it sets into motion events which happened in the prime-prime-Trimeline, aka The Sphere Builders attacking earth in the past. Despite it being different, we are still in the prime universe timeline.

    Had we NOT used the Krenim weapon to alter the timeline, we would have created an alternate timeline where the Sphere Builders never came into existence, thus altering the timeline.

    By altering the past we actually ensure the past remains as it was. Had we not altered the past, the past would have been altered by the removal of the Sphere Builders.

    Exactly. Our timeline that we're in now is still the prime timeline since we're in it. By erasing the Tuterians we're bringing our timeline into existence. Remember, we didn't shoot teh Tuterians, our actions just caused the borg to destroy their civilization. They still exist, they just have borg implants all over them. Well, the assimilated ones anyway.
  • omgbamf00omgbamf00 Member Posts: 97 Arc User
    somtaawkhar wrote: »
    ... the Tuterians' research into Solanae tech trapped them in the trans-dimensional realm we see them living in in Enterprise...
    Hate to get technical, but the Solanae live in subspace and are not trans-dimensional. If Cryptic is going for that plot angle, then I think they misunderstood the canon shown on TNG. I'm hoping that it's just a coincidence that this new species looks like sphere builders, and Cryptic isn't trying to stretch stuff just to spin a story out if it.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    lizwei wrote: »
    markhawkman wrote: »
    somtaawkhar wrote: »
    lizwei wrote: »
    Why would they attack the Federation of another timeline and not their own?
    The Sphere Builders could see potentials, not literally intervene in other timelines. If they could then their reach would be infinite as would their potential for success
    Because it was their own. they were trying to prevent the Federation from ever existing as to prevent them from being able to use the Krenim weapon to cause the temporal incursion that trapped them in their realm to begin with.
    Yeah, it's a predestination paradox of a sort, but that's what you get for mucking with time. :p Also... no one in Ent said what era the Sphere builders lived in, merely what era they created the Expanse.
    No it isn't.
    It's like saying that you used a time machine to make a previously innocent Lee Harvey Oswald assassinate JFK, while already having lived in a timeline where JFK was killed by Lee Harvey Oswald.
    That is cheating and lazy writing of the lowest order.
    It's called a paradox for a reason. It doesn't really make sense.

    The flaw with your example, is why? Why did the event happen?

    Yes, it's technically a retcon, but such is the nature of time travel stories.
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  • lizweilizwei Member Posts: 936 Arc User
    markhawkman wrote: »
    lizwei wrote: »
    markhawkman wrote: »
    somtaawkhar wrote: »
    lizwei wrote: »
    Why would they attack the Federation of another timeline and not their own?
    The Sphere Builders could see potentials, not literally intervene in other timelines. If they could then their reach would be infinite as would their potential for success
    Because it was their own. they were trying to prevent the Federation from ever existing as to prevent them from being able to use the Krenim weapon to cause the temporal incursion that trapped them in their realm to begin with.
    Yeah, it's a predestination paradox of a sort, but that's what you get for mucking with time. :p Also... no one in Ent said what era the Sphere builders lived in, merely what era they created the Expanse.
    No it isn't.
    It's like saying that you used a time machine to make a previously innocent Lee Harvey Oswald assassinate JFK, while already having lived in a timeline where JFK was killed by Lee Harvey Oswald.
    That is cheating and lazy writing of the lowest order.
    It's called a paradox for a reason. It doesn't really make sense.

    The flaw with your example, is why? Why did the event happen?

    Yes, it's technically a retcon, but such is the nature of time travel stories.

    Sorry, even time travel stories have to make sense on some level.
    It's the difference between 2005 Doctor Who, which was great, and current Doctor Who, which has reached such a level of inanity it's painful to watch.

    The why does't matter in my example, or Cryptic's story. The HOW is all important.
    This is the very definition of having one's cake and eating it, and I do not approve.
  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    lizwei wrote: »
    markhawkman wrote: »
    somtaawkhar wrote: »
    lizwei wrote: »
    Why would they attack the Federation of another timeline and not their own?
    The Sphere Builders could see potentials, not literally intervene in other timelines. If they could then their reach would be infinite as would their potential for success
    Because it was their own. they were trying to prevent the Federation from ever existing as to prevent them from being able to use the Krenim weapon to cause the temporal incursion that trapped them in their realm to begin with.
    Yeah, it's a predestination paradox of a sort, but that's what you get for mucking with time. :p Also... no one in Ent said what era the Sphere builders lived in, merely what era they created the Expanse.

    No it isn't.
    It's like saying that you used a time machine to make a previously innocent Lee Harvey Oswald assassinate JFK, while already having lived in a timeline where JFK was killed by Lee Harvey Oswald.
    That is cheating and lazy writing of the lowest order.

    But...
    If one accepts that Alternate Timelines exist...

    Then what you described is totally possible.

    And we already know that in STO's story line (which includes the buildup to the Star Trek IX movie plot),
    Alternate Timelines exist.

    If that's lazy writing, then all of the Trek incarnations are guilty of it, which means it's just a standard plot motivation for the Trek Universe and the game.
    <shrug>
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  • gulberatgulberat Member Posts: 5,505 Arc User
    somtaawkhar wrote: »
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Temporal mechanics at work here.
    Yup.

    In Butterfly, we start off in the prime timeline. By using the Krenim weapon, we create an alternate time in which the Borg have assimilated Romulus. By using the Krenim weapon again, we create yet another timeline, similar to the original one, except in this one the Tuterians failure to use Solanae tech correctly traps them in their trans-dimensional realm we see in Enterprise.

    HOWEVER, this altered timeline is actually STILL THE ORIGINAL TIMELINE, because it sets into motion events which happened in the prime-prime-Trimeline, aka The Sphere Builders attacking earth in the past. Despite it being different, we are still in the prime universe timeline.

    Had we NOT used the Krenim weapon to alter the timeline, we would have created an alternate timeline where the Sphere Builders never came into existence, thus altering the timeline.

    By altering the past we actually ensure the past remains as it was. Had we not altered the past, the past would have been altered by the removal of the Sphere Builders.

    What if it's the other way around and we started off in a timeline OTHER than the prime timeline, but very similar? NOT the one we've been playing in all the rest of the time.

    Instead, it's in the prime timeline where we receive the shielded core showing us that another version of ourselves made an incursion attempt and failed...meaning only the final scene of the mission takes place in the same timeline as the whole rest of the game. Consider the rest of the mission the dream, and only the final scene the reality.

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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,582 Community Moderator
    gulberat wrote: »

    What if it's the other way around and we started off in a timeline OTHER than the prime timeline, but very similar? NOT the one we've been playing in all the rest of the time.

    Instead, it's in the prime timeline where we receive the shielded core showing us that another version of ourselves made an incursion attempt and failed...meaning only the final scene of the mission takes place in the same timeline as the whole rest of the game. Consider the rest of the mission the dream, and only the final scene the reality.

    And THIS is why I hate Temporal stuff.
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,887 Arc User
    somtaawkhar wrote: »
    Whats going to happen is that the Tuterians' research into Solanae tech trapped them in the trans-dimensional realm we see them living in in Enterprise. This realm gives them the ability to see through various time-streams, and from that, they learn the Federation was behind their situation in the first place, via their use of the Krenim weapon. After finding this out, the Tuterians, now Sphere Builders, use their trans-dimensional realm to attack the Federation in the past, as seen in Enterprise.

    At first when I heard the rumors of them being sphere builders I was thinking why would they be so mad at us...I had never thought about it like that...tis a good theory you have!
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  • kamiyama317kamiyama317 Member Posts: 1,295 Arc User
    lizwei wrote: »
    The problem with the Tuterians being the Sphere Builders is the way Krenim incursion technology works.
    It's not that they existed up to a point and were then changed after we met them, it's that somehow the Tuterians were never in the position they were in when we met Clauda and instead became the Sphere Builders ( if this idea is true).

    That means that the timeline in which me met Clauda, the timeline we've been playing in up to now, COULD NOT HAVE Sphere Builders, and we know they do because of references made in game.
    It's hard to explain, but it's a complete failure of understanding cause and effect on the most fundamental level.

    You're forgetting that anyone inside a temporal shield isn't affected by the krenim temporal incursion weapon. Because it changes the entire timeline past, present, and future when the removed object is deleted from existence, at any point in the timeline when one of clauda's race is protected by a temporal shield they wouldn't have been changed like the rest of her species when they used the weapon. Since her race is obviously already developing temporal technology (as evidenced by her presence on the krenim timeship) it's very likely that in the future there are more of her people on timeships protected by temporal shielding. When they see the timeline change and their race is suddenly assimilated by the Borg in this new timeline, they will likely be out for revenge. Which is why this isn't a bad idea for the origin of the sphere builders. It explains a number of things - such as the sphere builder's advanced technology, why they can't exist inside our dimension, their ability to predict changes in the timeline, and why they would specifically target earth.
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