I know that some characters show reservations about using the temporal weapon, but it's all in the context of "what if we change the timeline too much" etc.
But um.. why isn't anyone discussing the fact that this is an instant genocide gun?
Don't try to tell me that "if they never existed it's not genocide" because it's a false argument, you're still taking action to wipe out an entire species.. it's worse because you wipe out their contributions too.
I know that things are really desperate... and I'm not saying the gun shouldn't be used if it's an "us or them only" situation, but why isn't anyone even talking about this weapon for what it really is?
We should be seeing this debate for what it really is. It feels out of character to see all those TV show alumni just happily skipping off merry-do to build a genocide weapon and wipe out the Iconians. Why isn't the debate being shown? Too much effort to write?
These episodes are enraging me because not one character has even voiced concern about this beyond "well what if it hurts us more than helps us"?
♪ I'm going around not in circles but in spirographs.
It's pretty much this hard to keep just one timeline intact. ♪
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Remember how in TNG, the crew of the enterprise had a chance to wipe out the borg with a virus, but decided AGAINST eliminating an existential threat, which very nearly assimilated earth a couple times.
One thing which occured to me, is maybe your character doesn't really understand what exactly the weapon does, the thought of genocide being SO abhorrent, cognitive dissonance keeps them from putting 2 and 2 together.
like, "well we can just remove the iconians evilness from the timeline!"
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Would the captain who's body count by now does not classify him/her as a homicidal maniac please raise his/her hand?
Aren't we at the point where the body count is nothing but a statistic?
But to answer the OP, the question is raised and it is projected that the krenim ship is the only hope for survival.
Personally i dislike the time ship plot because it takes the easy way out, but i like the fact that it will finally end the phoney war against the iconians. I'm totally missing immersion so can't be too bothered by temporal incursions.
We don't know what will be the ultimate target, but even then, we also don't know what the unintended consequences will be, but you know there will be some. I'd predict this thing makes things much worse, and that it ends up much like the end of Year of Hell, where the only solution is the overload it to hit the reset button.
the krenim are a far bigger concern, they can wipe everything out in an instant without concern.. I'll bet the shielding seven ends up designing for the ship can be retrofitted to their last surviving planet. won't matter what they do then, as long as all the krenim are either planet side or on that ship they will be unaffected by the weapon. the iconians may even have already been aware of this, their main focus was to either eliminate the krenim or flush them out for this event. if the one is from our time, or even our character or possibly l'miran, then the iconians, even without time travel could be appraised of what was going to happen, but it required certain measures to get it there.. quite amusing if that's the case, they are almost acting as a temporal intelligence group but from outside the temporal window.
As to our actions against the Iconians via a temporal weapon -- it has not been clear or confirmed what our actions will actually be or whom they will effect .
For example , if we wipe out the 11 remaining Iconians ... , that's not genocide, but an elimination of an endangered species .
OTOTH if we somehow alter time and put a halt to the Iconian evolution, then the Heralds will be changed forever , and may / may not continue to exist .
All in all "genocide" happened to the Iconians 200.000 years ago .
We can either finish the job or erase their existence .
But considering that the Preservers and the Iconians had a role in how the Milky Way was shaped politically , I happen to think that the simple removal of the Iconians from the timeline may affect the "universe as we know it" much more then anyone can predict ... , and for example Voyager's whole flight home might have ended up looking totally different ... , as the whole Delta Quadrant will look different politically without the Iconian presence .
My character Tsin'xing
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Well since my future self already visited me to get me to become a Delta Recruit, don't you think that it may be possible if everything all went to hell in a handbasket I could do it again to tell me to stop this foolishness?
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
the krenim don't n care what they change if it suits there purpose, they are not willing to let existence form of its own volition., how is what they do any different to the iconians.? I trust the inonians more, there was a reason for them to exist with the abilities they have. possibly created for that very duty to look after the galaxies.. how is we are content plating any worse than what they are? we can argue it's them or us, but if that's the same from their perspective. the fact they have been holding back says something else.. I think nothing of swatting bugs, they are an irritation and they are plentiful, what meaning do you put on something that lives for but a moment? l'miran calls us sentient in time in a bottle, no insult, no venom but interest, maybe even compassion.., for a fly! well were screwed now.. we are now creatures to l'miran and t'ket is off the short chain.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
We've had other energy based life forms superior to our own (Q , the Organians, the Metrons) and none of them harbored a desire conquer and rule our entire galaxy . None of them set species against species to kill each other so they could conquer us more easily .
And I gave the Krenim just as an example . The Vaduuar have killed a lot of ppl, just like the Undine and the KDF and the Romulans and the Federation too ... -- all as pawns ... , as the Iconians pulled the strings .
You say that you trust the Iconians more then the Krneim ?
Good for you .
I'll just remind you that none of this loss of life would have happened if the Iconians simply stayed away .
As to the Krenim, they would not have thought to build this ship if the Vaduuar and then the Heralds didn't come knocking .
Good job blaming the victims .
I'm kinda thinking we don't really need the pakled race either.......
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
My character doesn't want to either. She's smart enough to see the writing on the wall. They are building a threat which is greater than the iconians by a large margin, and she wants no part of it, now or ever.
She's also smart enough and experienced enough to be able to think of several viable alternatives, some of the ones I've mentioned previously.
Ya don't need to break time to change time.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
It is like a redacted dev comment. If it is not there anymore it never existed.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
Generally, STO has been sorely lacking in respect for the spirit of Star Trek, but for the protagonists to accept committing genocide as a strategic option? That's no longer Star Trek at all.
I think it's really a horrible saying if one thinks about it, that has become something that it shouldn't have. Doing horrible dirty deeds to a few for the sake of many is never right. No disrespect to the man that uttered those words, but I don't think it was foreseen the full consequences of that saying when applied to many of the situations and contexts it is applied to. it can be used to justify many heinous things that corrupt the purpose of the many along the way.
This whole storyline has been some of the worst storytelling theyve done. So Im not shocked that they want to us to commit genocide. Although I get the feeling the circle of Iconians we see in the mission before this last one is all thats left of the Iconians after the war 200,000 years ago.