the Organians
A. Chose to remain neutral in galactic affairs afterwards
B. Are not even as powerful as the Q
You don't have enough evidence to prove they are not as powerful they only showed a fraction of it. For all we know they may be as powerful but we won't know for sure.
NO TO ARC
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Given the Heralds have close quarters weapons, will the player factions get some as well, like stun batons for feds, and bladed ones for KDF(non-Klingon) and RR?
You don't have enough evidence to prove they are not as powerful they only showed a fraction of it. For all we know they may be as powerful but we won't know for sure.
This is an issue with a lot of comparisons. Looking at their actions, the most impressive thing q ever did onscreen was his force barrier in far point. Purely from a "joules of energy required" standpoint. The big one the organians did was heating weapons across multiple worlds.
Neither act even remotely approaches say k-1 level (talking kardashev scale, http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale ) meaning that Sol generates more power than either, so a dysonsphere collecting all of the output of Sol would have more power than either act. But have we seen the limits of either? Doubt it.
Talking "omnipotence" like q enjoyed tossing around from time to time, requires hitting a minimum of k-3 (the entire energy output of a galaxy) and possibly k-4 (total output of a universe).
Could either one create a new galaxy out of nothing, complete with all stars, species, etc? A cluster of galaxies? A super-cluster of clusters of galaxies (not even the largest astronomical structures we've observed)? By snapping a finger? How about just a single star and three or four planets in orbit? That's quintillions of times more energy required than either of them displayed on screen.
Some comparisons are just impossible given what was shown on screen. Like how do either of them stack up vs this guy?
This is an issue with a lot of comparisons. Looking at their actions, the most impressive thing q ever did onscreen was his force barrier in far point. Purely from a "joules of energy required" standpoint. The big one the organians did was heating weapons across multiple worlds.
Neither act even remotely approaches say k-1 level (talking kardashev scale, http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale ) meaning that Sol generates more power than either, so a dysonsphere collecting all of the output of Sol would have more power than either act. But have we seen the limits of either? Doubt it.
Talking "omnipotence" like q enjoyed tossing around from time to time, requires hitting a minimum of k-3 (the entire energy output of a galaxy) and possibly k-4 (total output of a universe).
Could either one create a new galaxy out of nothing, complete with all stars, species, etc? A cluster of galaxies? A super-cluster of clusters of galaxies (not even the largest astronomical structures we've observed)? By snapping a finger? How about just a single star and three or four planets in orbit? That's quintillions of times more energy required than either of them displayed on screen.
Some comparisons are just impossible given what was shown on screen. Like how do either of them stack up vs this guy?
I believe the most impressive thing Q did was throwing the Enterprise out of the Galaxy to meet the borg in possiibly the Delta Quadrant or even making Picard jumo back an forth in time or even when he allowed Picard to change his past. The Organions heated up every weapons system for the feds and kdf, Could sense a starship in orbit without technical equipment althoughTOS it doesnt seem that much I would like to revisit the Organions to see there full power
NO TO ARC
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
I'd like to point out, despite its limited veracity, (even though it is as true as most of STO's content) that The Q created the Iconians as they were through giving them the means to create their gateways. At that time, they were considered peaceful. But now, millennium later, they are somehow evil
I believe the most impressive thing Q did was throwing the Enterprise out of the Galaxy to meet the borg in possiibly the Delta Quadrant or even making Picard jumo back an forth in time or even when he allowed Picard to change his past. The Organions heated up every weapons system for the feds and kdf, Could sense a starship in orbit without technical equipment althoughTOS it doesnt seem that much I would like to revisit the Organions to see there full power
Visually impressive, yes. Energetically demanding? Not even remotely close. Look at the energy required to say gat a given mass into orbit. Now compare that energy output to reacting half the mass with an equal amount of antimatter. THAT is what is required to manifest the matter assuming a zero percent loss in the energy to matter process.
A half gram of mass reacting as matter/antimatter = the energy output of the Hiroshima bomb. 2kilograms = a 43 megaton weapon.
That wall q put in space extended as a plane up and down, left to right far enough for the enterprise to travel along it for a while. And their scanners have impreaaive range. It probably outmassed a planet. However, its not clear if it was matter, the scanners couldn't identify it just determine it was solid.
As a solid field it's impressive. If it was actually matter, its creation was probably the most energy any being has expended in all of star trek on screen. Certainly far more than needed to move the ship across the galaxy.
I'd like to point out, despite its limited veracity, (even though it is as true as most of STO's content) that The Q created the Iconians as they were through giving them the means to create their gateways. At that time, they were considered peaceful. But now, millennium later, they are somehow evil
That's been contradicted in STO many times. According to in-game lore, the Iconians ruled Dewa (and probably others) with an iron fist and killed anyone who wouldn't fall into line.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them." -Thomas Marrone
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Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
This is an issue with a lot of comparisons. Looking at their actions, the most impressive thing q ever did onscreen was his force barrier in far point. Purely from a "joules of energy required" standpoint. The big one the organians did was heating weapons across multiple worlds.
Neither act even remotely approaches say k-1 level (talking kardashev scale, http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale ) meaning that Sol generates more power than either, so a dysonsphere collecting all of the output of Sol would have more power than either act. But have we seen the limits of either? Doubt it.
Talking "omnipotence" like q enjoyed tossing around from time to time, requires hitting a minimum of k-3 (the entire energy output of a galaxy) and possibly k-4 (total output of a universe).
Could either one create a new galaxy out of nothing, complete with all stars, species, etc? A cluster of galaxies? A super-cluster of clusters of galaxies (not even the largest astronomical structures we've observed)? By snapping a finger? How about just a single star and three or four planets in orbit? That's quintillions of times more energy required than either of them displayed on screen.
Some comparisons are just impossible given what was shown on screen. Like how do either of them stack up vs this guy?
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Douwd
I believe the most impressive thing Q did was throwing the Enterprise out of the Galaxy to meet the borg in possiibly the Delta Quadrant or even making Picard jumo back an forth in time or even when he allowed Picard to change his past. The Organions heated up every weapons system for the feds and kdf, Could sense a starship in orbit without technical equipment althoughTOS it doesnt seem that much I would like to revisit the Organions to see there full power
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Iconian
Visually impressive, yes. Energetically demanding? Not even remotely close. Look at the energy required to say gat a given mass into orbit. Now compare that energy output to reacting half the mass with an equal amount of antimatter. THAT is what is required to manifest the matter assuming a zero percent loss in the energy to matter process.
A half gram of mass reacting as matter/antimatter = the energy output of the Hiroshima bomb. 2kilograms = a 43 megaton weapon.
That wall q put in space extended as a plane up and down, left to right far enough for the enterprise to travel along it for a while. And their scanners have impreaaive range. It probably outmassed a planet. However, its not clear if it was matter, the scanners couldn't identify it just determine it was solid.
As a solid field it's impressive. If it was actually matter, its creation was probably the most energy any being has expended in all of star trek on screen. Certainly far more than needed to move the ship across the galaxy.
That's been contradicted in STO many times. According to in-game lore, the Iconians ruled Dewa (and probably others) with an iron fist and killed anyone who wouldn't fall into line.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone