Are we World of Trekcraft now? Come on. So far the plot has made sense, but fighting wizards and golems in Star Trek? Give me a break.
I always get a nice deep laugh out of statements like this by people who obviously must never have actually seen the whole of Star Trek. Star Trek is a space fantasy universe with loads of space magic, and indeed even explicit space wizards. It's canon, mate. Don't like it? Go play another one of your gritty space marines rage games.
I repeat, I'm not even remotely exaggerating here. TOS and TAS and TNG and DS9 and Voyager et al all literally had berobed old men with staffs using "magic". This is established Trek stuff, as were fighting dinosaurs, and Dyson Spheres, and everything else this ignorant community TRIBBLE about as being un-Trek-like when they are all in the blasted show! If you are not a Trekkie, what right have you to be so frelling opinionated about things about which you know nothing! Get off my bridge!
What I see it as is a species who has a clear control over gravity. I'd imagine having a centralized spot that you can directly control with gravitational force would allow you to do some rather terrifying up-close damage (I'm currently considering the gravitational relativity in value for black holes) closer to the source. This combined with the fact that they as a species seem to have mastery over transportation powers means that up-close fighting would actually be their forte.
Think of it this way, if you can close the gap with your opponent almost every single time, why WOULDN'T you try to min-max your melee abilities? :P
I always get a nice deep laugh out of statements like this by people who obviously must never have actually seen the whole of Star Trek. Star Trek is a space fantasy universe with loads of space magic, and indeed even explicit space wizards. It's canon, mate. Don't like it? Go play another one of your gritty space marines rage games.
I repeat, I'm not even remotely exaggerating here. TOS and TAS and TNG and DS9 and Voyager et al all literally had berobed old men with staffs using "magic". This is established Trek stuff, as were fighting dinosaurs, and Dyson Spheres, and everything else this ignorant community TRIBBLE about as being un-Trek-like when they are all in the blasted show! If you are not a Trekkie, what right have you to be so frelling opinionated about things about which you know nothing! Get off my bridge!
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And very well said I'd say. Damn lil bee-eightch TRIBBLE's need to STFU once and for all PLEASE for the Love of Warp Speed!
It starting to make some sense that there was another Dyson Sphere (Herald Sphere) when you traveled through the gate in Uneasy Allies mission to find out that you are in the Andromeda Galaxy. I was playing Sphere of Influence on my Delta Toon and that's when I noticed something when reading those database entries...
"Alert: Gateway in Andromeda active"...
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I'm really excited for the Iconian things, but I always like to think ahead. I was thinking, the origins of the Borg is unknown. I thought that it would be cool if after the whole Iconian thing there could be something on the Borg again. Maybe like exploring into their origins. Maybe a powerful species that is trying to build or create a new army or improve on the Borg. Since the Borg where kinda defeated and crippled, they want to come back to power, even though the Borg where their face and no one knew of their existence. Anyone else think that's a good idea???
Give them time they will work BG and Buck Rogers into thier list of things to make since they lack originality to come up with something uniquely their own.
Halo
Starship Troopers
Star wars
Tron
Yeah i cant wait to hop around the trek verse in a battlestar or basestar
I just hope that the player's characters are thanked more besides getting a promotion then being pushed away to make room for the bloke who did one thing against the many things you did. Only the pedestrians thank the players for saving them multiple times.
I'm really excited for the Iconian things, but I always like to think ahead. I was thinking, the origins of the Borg is unknown. I thought that it would be cool if after the whole Iconian thing there could be something on the Borg again. Maybe like exploring into their origins. Maybe a powerful species that is trying to build or create a new army or improve on the Borg. Since the Borg where kinda defeated and crippled, they want to come back to power, even though the Borg where their face and no one knew of their existence. Anyone else think that's a good idea???
Actually the origin of the Borg isn't unknown... well, unless if you read the non-canon stuff.
"Our history, our past, our present and our future is now forever changed. All we can do is preserve what is left and continue onwards. This is not a surrender nor defeat, we will continue the fight. This is our last hope, our last chance... for victory."
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I thought Iconians are called that way because they come from the planet Iconia. Since the Heralds also are native to Iconia, this officially makes them "Iconians" as well. So, now we have 2 types of Iconians? Or is there any other reason that Heralds cannot be referred to as "Iconians", except for not to confuse the two species? It's a writing mess, IMHO.
Correct, Haralds are Iconians, they are from Iconia so they are Iconians.
The devs should have just went with calling them an Iconian sub-species or something along those lines.
The borg are suggested to have come into contact with V'ger in STO.
Several borg ships look like scaled down versions of V'ger.
Yeah like the Unimatrix 0047 Command Ship which is a smaller version of V'Ger.
"The design and weaponry of the ship is an obvious allusion to V'Ger.
Executive producer Daniel Stahl is an outspoken fan of V'Ger. Why the ship is there and what it represents is left to speculation at the moment. Two options on the subject have been suggested in the past:
- Gene Roddenberry once hinted at the possibility that V'ger's ship was constructed by the Borg. Hence Spock saw a virtual image of the Borg homeworld and melded with the hive mind. This idea was later revisited by William Shatner's novel The Return.
-The back story of the game Star Trek: Legacy speculated that V'ger was an integral part in the creation of the Borg Collective in his quest for knowledge through assimilation."
...
"V'Ger took its mission to heart and learn everything it could to extremes, as it absorbed everything it was exposed to, and having learned everything, wanted to return to Earth to impart its knowledge (by old-style radio waves) and join with its creator. Realizing that the fate of Earth was in their hands, Commander Willard Decker joined with the entity and programmed the information it needed to transmit its data. Once the two were joined, the entity evolved onto another plane of existence and headed for the Andromeda Galaxy. (TOS movie: Star Trek: The Motion Picture; TOS - Star Trek II Short Stories short story: "To Wherever")"
"Our history, our past, our present and our future is now forever changed. All we can do is preserve what is left and continue onwards. This is not a surrender nor defeat, we will continue the fight. This is our last hope, our last chance... for victory."
Vlasek D. Lasor - 4.19.3580 Star Trek Online: Foundry Storyline Series
Y o Y does 1 of those Herald ships remind me of a Reaper from Mass Effect?
Because you haven't played enough Halo to see the more obvious inspiration material (Herald=Forerunner, only with more eyes and better looking ships). :P
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Well acording to TOS. Iconians a threat to all of our galaxy!? Not plausible. Kirk once met peacefull beeings with allmighty power, that stoped a beginning war between the Klingons and the federation just with theyr love for all living beeings.
The Organians.
So, scrap that bullcrap and get back to star trek.
Thanks.
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I'm really excited for the Iconian things, but I always like to think ahead. I was thinking, the origins of the Borg is unknown. I thought that it would be cool if after the whole Iconian thing there could be something on the Borg again. Maybe like exploring into their origins. Maybe a powerful species that is trying to build or create a new army or improve on the Borg. Since the Borg where kinda defeated and crippled, they want to come back to power, even though the Borg where their face and no one knew of their existence. Anyone else think that's a good idea???
It's occurred to me that they might have been created by the Vaadwaur. According to Gedrin, they only controlled a few star systems when the Supremacy was at its height. Given the rate they spread, I wouldn't be surprised if they were very new to the galactic table at the time.
Well acording to TOS. Iconians a threat to all of our galaxy!? Not plausible. Kirk once met peacefull beeings with allmighty power, that stoped a beginning war between the Klingons and the federation just with theyr love for all living beeings.
The Organians.
So, scrap that bullcrap and get back to star trek.
Thanks.
The Organians ignored the Dominion War. They don't give a TRIBBLE about what happens to us.
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I think it's A good tsiwt on everything in STO. Well, that's if you're me and haven't really played anything other than STO, Trackmania, and RollerCoaster Tycoon 3. Maybe there will be some new foundry content involving heralds. I knew it right from the start. Right when uneasy allies came out, and I saw the delta recruits start and end dates on the calendar, I knew that "late spring" would possibly be May 21 in reality. Get ready, for heralds and their fury. I'm predicting (and not to sound like ancient aliens here) that one herald will be some sort of "breakaway herald" and will "share" technology to fight against the Iconians. And somehow develop an untried way at the last minute to make the delta allaince's "adapted" tech a little better than the herald's tech. And/or the character somehow "infiltrate" the main "base" of the Iconians. Probably the Dyson sphere in the Andromeda galaxy, as storywriters often connect other plotlines to intertwine and "soap opera" them up. STO Season 10 Predictions from me.
I'm sympathetic to the view that the Heralds seem more like fantasy creatures than sci-fi aliens.
But really... Q runs around snapping his fingers and making things happen, and that's okay in Star Trek because he's an "advanced" race. We've even seen things like that before in TOS. Does Trelane ring a bell? How about Apollo?
What's more believable? That aliens are able to teleport at will and use gravity weapons shaped like staves and clubs? Or that the Organians were able to make every kind of weapon in the entire Neutral Zone hot to the touch instantly and without any apparent effort?
Now, I'm not necessarily giving Cryptic a pass on this. I want to see how it unfolds.
But I have some ideas.
One, having 'shock troops' that are capable of devastating close combat is good for intimidation. That sounds like an outcome the Iconians would like to have.
Two, you can wipe out a planet from orbit but you can't control the population that way. Unless the goal is complete eradication, you need boots on the ground. Which suggests that perhaps the Iconians don't just want to win. They want to become masters of the galaxy again, complete with as many subjugated races as they can get.
Three, I think the Klingons scare the Iconians more than anything else because Klingons have no problem with the idea of close combat, are fine with the idea of dying in battle, and are in complete opposition to being ruled by non-Klingons. It explains why the Iconians manipulated the Undine into trying to destroy Qo'NoS and why the Iconian appeared there to try to throw a scare into the Alliance. The Iconians' shock troops simply aren't going to intimidate the Klingons into submission.
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I actually feel sorry for the Iconians... The Klingons are too dumb to be scared of them, And the Feds are going to take about 10 minutes re-engineer/subvert/neutralise their tech and find a way to use it against them.
I don't mind their abilities per se. It's their design. Seeing the Heralds doesn't evoke "Star Trek" to me. They look more like they should be in World of YouKnowWhat or some other generic fantasy game IMO.
Sure, that's a valid complaint. I'm not overwhelmed by the design myself. They're not going to change the looks at this late date, of course.
I'm curious, though. Given what's been shared about the Heralds so far and understanding that their powers are going to focus on teleportation, portals, and gravity control in close-combat...
I'd like to see some fan artists' takes on what they think the Heralds ought to look like.
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I always get a nice deep laugh out of statements like this by people who obviously must never have actually seen the whole of Star Trek. Star Trek is a space fantasy universe with loads of space magic, and indeed even explicit space wizards. It's canon, mate. Don't like it? Go play another one of your gritty space marines rage games.
I repeat, I'm not even remotely exaggerating here. TOS and TAS and TNG and DS9 and Voyager et al all literally had berobed old men with staffs using "magic". This is established Trek stuff, as were fighting dinosaurs, and Dyson Spheres, and everything else this ignorant community TRIBBLE about as being un-Trek-like when they are all in the blasted show! If you are not a Trekkie, what right have you to be so frelling opinionated about things about which you know nothing! Get off my bridge!
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Yes! You Are Correct Sir!
And very well said I'd say. Damn lil bee-eightch TRIBBLE's need to STFU once and for all PLEASE for the Love of Warp Speed!
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"Alert: Gateway in Andromeda active"...
"Our history, our past, our present and our future is now forever changed. All we can do is preserve what is left and continue onwards. This is not a surrender nor defeat, we will continue the fight. This is our last hope, our last chance... for victory."
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Star Trek Online: Foundry Storyline Series
I see a contradiction there....
And i have to agree, the trek is starting to feel more halo-ish....
-General Chang
Give them time they will work BG and Buck Rogers into thier list of things to make since they lack originality to come up with something uniquely their own.
Halo
Starship Troopers
Star wars
Tron
Yeah i cant wait to hop around the trek verse in a battlestar or basestar
For Buck Rogers, we've got the new Radiant ground armour, as well as TMP uniforms. 1970 space fantasy pulp is just the coolest.
Also, those Cylons from Voyager lockbox ships are Basestary. A pity we can't play as androids in STO.
Actually the origin of the Borg isn't unknown... well, unless if you read the non-canon stuff.
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Borg_history
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/V%27Ger
In some strange way the Borg are connected to VGER and a race of "Living Machines" in some way.
There is some info about the iconians and their rise and fall and all that other stuff.
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Iconian
"Our history, our past, our present and our future is now forever changed. All we can do is preserve what is left and continue onwards. This is not a surrender nor defeat, we will continue the fight. This is our last hope, our last chance... for victory."
Vlasek D. Lasor - 4.19.3580
Star Trek Online: Foundry Storyline Series
So what you're saying is ... we'll be facing some horny bast@rds !!! :eek:
... ooohhh myyyy ...
Then may the most handsome folk in the alpha quadrant stand up and prepare to make love, not war?
Correct, Haralds are Iconians, they are from Iconia so they are Iconians.
The devs should have just went with calling them an Iconian sub-species or something along those lines.
Yeah like the Unimatrix 0047 Command Ship which is a smaller version of V'Ger.
"The design and weaponry of the ship is an obvious allusion to V'Ger.
Executive producer Daniel Stahl is an outspoken fan of V'Ger. Why the ship is there and what it represents is left to speculation at the moment. Two options on the subject have been suggested in the past:
- Gene Roddenberry once hinted at the possibility that V'ger's ship was constructed by the Borg. Hence Spock saw a virtual image of the Borg homeworld and melded with the hive mind. This idea was later revisited by William Shatner's novel The Return.
-The back story of the game Star Trek: Legacy speculated that V'ger was an integral part in the creation of the Borg Collective in his quest for knowledge through assimilation."
...
"V'Ger took its mission to heart and learn everything it could to extremes, as it absorbed everything it was exposed to, and having learned everything, wanted to return to Earth to impart its knowledge (by old-style radio waves) and join with its creator. Realizing that the fate of Earth was in their hands, Commander Willard Decker joined with the entity and programmed the information it needed to transmit its data. Once the two were joined, the entity evolved onto another plane of existence and headed for the Andromeda Galaxy. (TOS movie: Star Trek: The Motion Picture; TOS - Star Trek II Short Stories short story: "To Wherever")"
"Our history, our past, our present and our future is now forever changed. All we can do is preserve what is left and continue onwards. This is not a surrender nor defeat, we will continue the fight. This is our last hope, our last chance... for victory."
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Star Trek Online: Foundry Storyline Series
Because you haven't played enough Halo to see the more obvious inspiration material (Herald=Forerunner, only with more eyes and better looking ships). :P
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Oh really?
Then what was all the fuss about here?
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It's occurred to me that they might have been created by the Vaadwaur. According to Gedrin, they only controlled a few star systems when the Supremacy was at its height. Given the rate they spread, I wouldn't be surprised if they were very new to the galactic table at the time.
The Organians ignored the Dominion War. They don't give a TRIBBLE about what happens to us.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
Pardon my snip.
Law Three.
But really... Q runs around snapping his fingers and making things happen, and that's okay in Star Trek because he's an "advanced" race. We've even seen things like that before in TOS. Does Trelane ring a bell? How about Apollo?
What's more believable? That aliens are able to teleport at will and use gravity weapons shaped like staves and clubs? Or that the Organians were able to make every kind of weapon in the entire Neutral Zone hot to the touch instantly and without any apparent effort?
Now, I'm not necessarily giving Cryptic a pass on this. I want to see how it unfolds.
But I have some ideas.
One, having 'shock troops' that are capable of devastating close combat is good for intimidation. That sounds like an outcome the Iconians would like to have.
Two, you can wipe out a planet from orbit but you can't control the population that way. Unless the goal is complete eradication, you need boots on the ground. Which suggests that perhaps the Iconians don't just want to win. They want to become masters of the galaxy again, complete with as many subjugated races as they can get.
Three, I think the Klingons scare the Iconians more than anything else because Klingons have no problem with the idea of close combat, are fine with the idea of dying in battle, and are in complete opposition to being ruled by non-Klingons. It explains why the Iconians manipulated the Undine into trying to destroy Qo'NoS and why the Iconian appeared there to try to throw a scare into the Alliance. The Iconians' shock troops simply aren't going to intimidate the Klingons into submission.
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Sure, that's a valid complaint. I'm not overwhelmed by the design myself. They're not going to change the looks at this late date, of course.
I'm curious, though. Given what's been shared about the Heralds so far and understanding that their powers are going to focus on teleportation, portals, and gravity control in close-combat...
I'd like to see some fan artists' takes on what they think the Heralds ought to look like.
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